The point is that Edward Somerset (the second marquis of Worcester); who constructed a gigantic wheel similar to the the one in the attached image in 1648 and demonstrated it to King Charles I in the Tower of London was only doing what had been done in India long before    These devices will probably always be in vogue, at least as long as the human race is using petroleum for motor transport    The current crop of optimists are simply chasing the same will of the wisp as their predecessors did long ago  

there's this french guy who has built something similar, about 7-8m diameter using wine bottles partially filled with water- its a "classic" piece of 'ghetto fab engineering' with a hefty dose of " french physics" (dont ask..)

But .."seriously" lugh and sedit and nk and ALL of you---I am sorry I cant put 'the page' up here but theres too many!!!

  Just google 'perpetual motion+sweden+scandinavia+technology'  or something like that and you WILL find this guys
"machine" and it is a truly amazing, very clever with the engineering precision (in stainless steel and some alloys) of a swiss watch".......It's only a ball that revolves around a 'track' about  1mt in diameter,the rack pivots in such a way so that the ball (stainless steel) is ALWAYS travellig downwards, the whole apparatus slightly swaying, this movement achieved using extremely finely calibrated adjustment of several pedulums and springs---aha here lies the problem of wear and decay,fatigue, if you may, about the components--BUT it is a pretty amazing thing and its been going since it was "stated" IIRC about 4 years! Its worth checkin out IMO
thanx to all of you who have left their mark upon this page,,cheers hyppy

matey it is PURELY 'clever physics' that keeps this ball rolling, but  THE FACT that after its initial "push" its ben doing it for YEARS with no indication of slowing down
1 check it out man. Its in a glass case but its pretty obvious how it works-to those of us so inclined! IT really is a "marvelous" device--when you see it the first question that came to my mind was "how the fuck do you 'harness' that minimal kinetic energy???   BUT is IS worth a look-to think this dude came up with this thing is amazing--like nothing new,, but, nothing you've ever seen before...anyway nuff raving

As soon as one comes up with a way to extract the energy from the ball there lies the problem with these sort of machines.

   Yep, thats how I 'see' it also....Even if one did "find a way" to harness this kinetic energy on a HUGE scale,, e.g. with a 10 tonne ball,,immediately the problems of 'wear' would be an issue--even using 'space age' ceramics,, I cant see it being anything more than an  "inspired piece of design and engineering"

   OK........I FUCKED UP.......I WAS WRONG....about a few things--basically 'everything' except the

'fact' it DOES use pendulums and springs,,and the "moving part' is a ball.....

  It's called "The Finsrud machine" and the 'longest it "ran" for,, was 14 days!!!  
   
    So much for "IIRC" i think this is my masterpiece of 'mixed memories' (and BASIC lack of research)

 Sorry for posting so much shit..HOWEVER,,  I still think this topic has some 'life' left in it......

   What I was trying to 'get at' was -- hey we are "surrounded by energy" in SO MANY WAYS, that

 maybe, with a bit of 'obtuse thinking' (of which i think you, Sedit have much ability, as you have 

  mentioned a few times..==there are NO negative associations here- I just mean, you can 'think' clever

 thoughts in weird ways! which I consider a mixed blessing, coz I'm a bit the same
   
 Anyway, i gotta get some food into me, havent eaten all day, its now 8pm and I'm fading fast...but i'll be back online in a few hours...

 ButI sincerely do appreciate your input  into this thread...there was something else but I'm hypoglyceamic at the moment...Oh yeah, Everybody,,, Google this "Finsrud machine" its a pretty amazing thing!!!


 
   
 

I recently found out that Tesla DIDNT die a pauper but actually kept on inventing in an appartment he kept as a lab he had at The New Yorker hotel and in fact lived well....

Its strange how this 'pauper' story has got around, as logic suggests he had already well established himself with an income through his patents or he would have never been able to finance and build his Wardenclyffe laboratory.

The fire which destroyed his lab also destroyed all his notes, which royally fucked him (although he apparently had a photographic memory )

But he maintained two rooms at The New York Hotel for several decades suggests that although he may have died in debt, he was FAR from a pauper

He was deeply involved in the employ of the US navy for several years and was one of the engineers of the Philadelphia Experiment (although he left before it as finished)

One wonders if this "story" came from the few powerful enemies he made

Back to the topic...the link provided shows several PROVEN technologies    How can you argue against that?

Conservation of energy is one thing....energy in itself is quite another.....magnetism is clearly an aspect, or 'form' of energy,, imo just misunderstood

there are a few forums around which discuss some great alternate theories other than relativity with powerful arguments to back them up......if you're interested just ask
 
I have NO doubts (if the (human race and) the research continues we will change our "opinion" re; E (energy not MDxx ) its currently too fragmented with some serious gaps.

Flawed.....like the king's new clothes....to many people say they see what they dont and are too convinced the other guy was right, to look!

A bit like the Tesla story which most people know      and they're wrong!

f1 

the generators linked ARE NOT "perpetual motion" machines!  They are OVER UNITY motors which produce MORE power than they consume!

It's SCIENCE, not some weird fuckin magic!

Please, have a look at the link before posting an opinion

thanx

I have to agree with lugh and Sedit, though in the past I have thought maybe, just maybe. Perhaps machines with an efficiency of 1 will some day exist or the use of subtle energies will become our primary source of energy, as Sedit said.  But, overunity simply cannot be. I don't call magnet motors and such overunity, though. They do not create something from nothing, but rather utilize what is there. Magnets contain a vast amount of organized energy, using that would not be something for nothing. However, the term overunity is a pipe dream and always will be.

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