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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2011, 07:20:58 AM »
I believe without a doubt for most, if not all - a fungi is the way to source it, and feel that this forum has helped dig up some journals that will lead to breakthroughs.
Everything from phosphate levels, sugars, how to mutate, how to culture, alginate beads, to histone acetyltrasferanse inhibitors have been found to improve alkaloid yields and it is with in reach for anyone to get at the very least 500mg per liter of solution, but likely closer to 1 gram. More if one were really determined...
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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2011, 08:08:45 AM »
cafergot is very easy to source
look for vasograin psygrain neuromol etc. on google
they are just synonyms of the same thing.

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2011, 09:28:40 AM »
Don't know beans about this topic but saved this article I found the other day with this forum in mind.

Ergot alkaloids: structure diversity, biosynthetic gene clusters and functional
proof of biosynthetic genes

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2011, 04:20:34 AM »
cafergot is very easy to source
look for vasograin psygrain neuromol etc. on google
they are just synonyms of the same thing.


Plenty of sources, but the bottleneck on those is customs. ET isn't something which should be going through customs.

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2011, 09:08:19 PM »
Look this pdf
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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2011, 05:56:15 AM »
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Plenty of sources, but the bottleneck on those is customs. ET isn't something which should be going through customs.
 
 

cafergot is a mixture as such it is'nt a list 1 precursor.
it's migraine medicine.
you have migraines got it?

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2011, 06:12:10 AM »
In my eyes there are 2 routes: finding an overseas commercial ergot alkaloid hookup, or culturing and extracting claviceps paspali.  Put 10% of the money and effort it would take to find a safe commercial source into finding a culture and learning how to culture paspali.  Can you image what it would be like to be self sufficient and take the sourcing out of the whole process?

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2011, 12:01:10 PM »
Or... source lysergol (not very difficult) and give this paper a run.  I know it's tetrahedron papers, but sometimes they have some gems.  Regardless I've been curious about lysergol for oxidation to lysergic acid for near a month now and am fairly confident it can be accomplished if the quick and dirty proposition to the amide does not pan out.

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2011, 06:30:35 AM »
bromocryptine and elymoclavine are off the radar and lysergic acid can be made from both but they are both very expensive.

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2011, 04:49:04 AM »
Or we could discuss chemistry and do away the the annoying sourcing discussions that have been taking place lately and may lead to a crack down if folks are not careful about abusing our loose rules here on sources.

This is a warning for all those that constantly want to say.... Why not just buy it at Such and such place its cheep blah blah....

If it continues, it will stop, and the hammer will strike down, Please don't let my words fall on deaf ears.

Now... im removing all of this sourcing talk and if theres any complaints send them via the complaint department (which is Vesp's PM box!) and we will be sure to resolve the matter in a timely fashion!

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2011, 04:19:47 AM »
w0rd
so.. as for the crude alks from the fungus, it goes something like: filter, basify, adsorb on bentonite, rinse with water, then elute with acidic methanol, yay?
then alkaline hydrolyze, extract with dcm, and spin down?
does all this have to be done under inert atmosphere? the patent (3,038,840) doesn't specify this
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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2012, 09:05:31 PM »
What about the total synthesis of Ergot Alkaloids from L-Tryptophan?


J.  Rebek, Jr.,* D. F. Tai, and Y.-K.  Shue
Contribution f r o m  the Department  of Chemi s t r y ,  University  of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania  15260.  Received  September  19, 198

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/ergot-tryptophan.pdf

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2012, 12:22:09 AM »
What about the total synthesis of Ergot Alkaloids from L-Tryptophan?


J.  Rebek, Jr.,* D. F. Tai, and Y.-K.  Shue
Contribution f r o m  the Department  of Chemi s t r y ,  University  of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania  15260.  Received  September  19, 198

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/ergot-tryptophan.pdf

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2012, 01:01:47 AM »
I'm interested in the use of sodium pyrosulfate as a coupling agent for amides. Its use in this capacity was described long ago in the Journal of the American Chemical Society: http://books.google.com/books?id=1x04AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA81#v=onepage&q&f=false. It may facilitate conditions that are too harsh for the LSD molecule, but it is worth a try IMO, perhaps in an apolar solvent such as DMSO.

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2012, 03:57:50 AM »
Once Lysergic acid is obtained in a pure form, it is straightforward and simple. But, getting there all depends on the starting point, as jon pointed out.
Thanks for the link everlastingreign.   
Most people who are actually doing this prefer to obtain, albiet costly, the compounds suggested previously by jon, or alternately ergotamine tartrate or the pure amide. Please note that they don't live in the US, and therefore don't have to deal with the same laws.

Total synthesis might be improved on by using the coupling techniques earlier on with other 'chunks' of rings, although iirc it hasn't been attempted.
Most if not all other synthesis either builds rings  or reduces from larger structures, so it would indeed be a novel synthesis worth studying.
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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2012, 04:26:36 AM »
Ah, and to think I used to stock Parlodel (bromocryptine) in bulk amounts at my previous job.. *sigh*.  :)
Alimentary, dear Watson; I had a gut feeling.

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Re: Best route to LSD needs work
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2012, 04:42:45 AM »
Doc you have had the opportunity to do things that most of us will never do.
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