Author Topic: A chemistry archive (Read 1291 times)

psychexplorer · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2011, 01:14:02 PM »

Having this resource would be amazing. The merged Rhodiums and Hives, in an offline searchable format, would save me a tremendous amount of time bounding around mirrors.

overunity33 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2011, 06:00:43 PM »

talk to vesp about maybe being able to use the FTP here...
Wev been working on an ergot superpack

Wizard X · « **Reply #3 on:** April 03, 2011, 12:50:14 AM »

Consider getting a 4shared Premium Account with 100 GB storage & traffic? $6.50 per month for 1 year. http://www.4shared.com/premium.jsp?ref=itop

Shake · « **Reply #4 on:** April 03, 2011, 02:15:57 AM »

i had the hive archives, most are post 2000 though, there are some that are simply lost from when strike and them were around.. Then rhodium archive is everywhere, you could probably get that off a torrent, you could probably get hive archives from there too..

i would imagine it is not compact and sorted into the best posts.. there would be alot of shit there too.. and even there is a bit of mis information.. usefull posts and topics i have seen could be put into about 30 pages..

psychexplorer · « **Reply #5 on:** April 03, 2011, 02:22:38 AM »

7z (LZMA2/ultra) the iso and put it on Megaupload. It is probably better that nobody's billing information is associated with an account hosting an ultimate drug synthesis collection.

psychexplorer · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2011, 02:34:48 AM »

One of the problems with so many Hive and Rhodium collections is that almost none of them seem complete.

I don't think I can recall a single one which isn't missing at least one file compared to the others.

This leads to a rather annoying situation where one must browse several Rhodiums and several Hives to locate good information.

If he's merged everything then that is an awesome resource. It should probably replace the Rhodium and Hive archives hosted here.

Hopefully I'll come into an appreciable quantity of free time soon. I've been meaning to get my own files organized, sorted, deduped, and purged of obsolete/useless/redundant information.

The distributed nature of the Internet has been great for developing new techniques, discovering old ones, and keeping information alive through community shutdowns and busts. The side effect of all that is a very chaotic and disorganized knowledge base. It is a shame that a group of trusted contributors doesn't build an edit and view restricted Wiki to help bring everything from all common sources into a single resource.

Wizard X · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2011, 02:09:03 AM »

Well, you have the FREE 4shared option with 2Gb upload, 10Gb storage, BUT with restrictions. I've downloaded 7Gb from a free 4shared, took awhile, but downloaded fine.

Try some of the other hosting sites, or connect your own server (http, ftp, torrent) to your home or work ISP?

Split into 500Mb 7z archive size.

Sedit · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2011, 05:39:27 AM »

I would like to offer up my old site if its still avalible. I would also request that any and all software made for this iso to become searchable be made open source so that its contents can be reviewed to ensure it contains no malware with the intent of gathering information about our members.

Vesp · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:27:52 PM »

It is still available, as are all the files that the vespiary used to hold.. I mean - I still have the files saved in a few places... Just have no real means to upload them to anything

Wizard X · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2011, 12:10:47 AM »

Quote from: Vesp on April 06, 2011, 10:27:52 PM

It is still available, as are all the files that the vespiary used to hold.. I mean - I still have the files saved in a few places... Just have no real means to upload them to anything

Not sure what you mean? File server, web server, or Network Mass Storage?

Quote from: Sedit on April 06, 2011, 05:39:27 AM

I would like to offer up my old site if its still available. I would also request that any and all software made for this iso to become searchable be made open source so that its contents can be reviewed to ensure it contains no malware with the intent of gathering information about our members.

There is no reason to include software into that archive. Should be ONLY, .txt, .pdf, .djvu .html (with no imbedded java, active X scripting, etc) & .doc (no imbedded macros) files. Including all graphic file formats.

One index database .hjt file (using treepad: www.treepad.com) should be included into the root of the ISO - that has links to the archived files and links from forum discussion relevant to the archived file.

Members can download the free TreePad Viewer (www.treepad.com/treepadviewer) to view & search the index database .hjt file.

psychexplorer · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:11:12 AM »

An archive for the ages really should be in open formats. This would preclude proprietary, closed software like Treepad, which doesn't age well, and is incompatible for those of us running GNU/Linux or Mac.

Directories aren't really a good option, either. Organizing specific documents by target compounds works in some instances, but how would one place a document describing something as versatile and widely applicable as the tried-and-true Al/Hg reductive amination? Some specific experimental data on certain targets could be grouped in the folder for that target, but in reality, Al/Hg is a subject of its own.

This is why compilation on a wiki makes sense. The nature of hypertext linking allows all information to stay in context and linked to and from other relevant information, without any paradigm as constrictive as that of file/folder, which limits each object to one parent node.

There is no generally applicable schema for the relationships between the various types of information in the archive. That needs a free flowing relation like a hyperlink where the source and target can be anything, with context and purpose provided by the text itself.

A wiki developed by multiple users online can easily be distilled into a directory for offline viewing.

Wizard X · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2011, 01:52:46 AM »

Quote from: psychexplorer on April 07, 2011, 01:11:12 AM

An archive for the ages really should be in open formats. This would preclude proprietary, closed software like Treepad, which doesn't age well, and is incompatible for those of us running GNU/Linux or Mac.

A wiki developed by multiple users online can easily be distilled into a directory for offline viewing.

Have a read on "Compatibility" & "features" @ www.treepad.com/treepadviewer Standalone app, will run on Windows, Linux & Apple.

Treepad .hjt file, or .tpd file, can be exported to TXT, HTML, etc.

Agreed! Wiki is another option. However, requires a web server, Wiki software installation, admin & mods, etc.

psychexplorer · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2011, 05:14:58 PM »

Their own website disowns the Linux version. When somebody suggests wine over native Linux ELF, the application shouldn't be considered anywhere past alpha. Until they get the native version working, then open up the source, the Linux port might as well not exist.

Sedit · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2011, 04:26:20 AM »

Please adress my security concerns next post you make or I will remove these files. Im not being a dick but I will protect our members here and right now I am worried about myself downloading it since I know very very little about what that download contains... the host carrying the file and tracking my IP address... and in general... You!

So please take some time to calm my little nerves next time you sign in or I think this will vanish relatively soon.

nk40ouvm · « **Reply #15 on:** April 15, 2011, 01:23:05 AM »

I have no worries about uploading.com, at least no worries that wouldn't apply to every other free file host like rapidshare, ifile.it, megaupload, etc.

I was able to download the 4 parts faster than expected, all in one (long) day using a single IP address. I'm also not worried about malware in any executable files within this archive because I simply won't use them.

But this ISZ format sucks! The free demo versions of AnyToIso and UltraIso won't deal with an .isz image this large. Newer Daemon Tools is supposed to read it but newer free versions of DT are stuffed full of adware/crapware. So my choices are to install crapware to get a new DT, pay money, or take a chance on getting even worse crapware with a cracked version of some software that converts .isz. This is way too much effort to open an archive. What's wrong with making a multipart RAR or 7Z archive of a plain old .iso?

I don't want to crap all over what was surely a substantial effort in making this compilation, but the annoying .isz format renders it useless to me. I have substantial archives of my own but I'm not going to open this one and cross-check if it's going to be a day-long adventure to open the archive without paying money or risking computer infection.

Wizard X · « **Reply #16 on:** April 15, 2011, 01:33:03 AM »

Quote from: nk40ouvm on April 15, 2011, 01:23:05 AM

I have no worries about uploading.com, at least no worries that wouldn't apply to every other free file host like rapidshare, ifile.it, megaupload, etc.

I was able to download the 4 parts faster than expected, all in one (long) day using a single IP address. I'm also not worried about malware in any executable files within this archive because I simply won't use them.

The archive should NOT contain a "AUTORUN.INF" file, so it doesn't auto run when you mount it, or burn to DVD.

Sedit · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2011, 11:59:13 PM »

I want your freind to know that im glad he has performed this work and taken the time to do so but I dont want him to be offended when I question the contents of the program. This is my job, to protect members of this site. Its all to easy for LE to spread simular content with built in key loggers obtaining every last little bit of information you can imagine about the person that downloaded such a program. I know this is fact because I use to do that very thing along time ago for different reasons.

I wanted to know about the mention he made about the creator of this site...... can you link me to that thread please?

As stated he should not take offense but if he does not understand my concerns then I dont know what to do.

Wizard X · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2011, 04:39:44 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on April 20, 2011, 01:12:08 AM

Sedit i understand your concern and so does he but theres nothing more he can do to allay any justifyed angst. I tested it on my system. I have my system set up so that i can do any work off line and then if i feel the need just wipe my hard disk and then put a clean previous acronis copy in afterwards . It takes less than ten minutes .That way i have no fears that i might have caught malware and can try what i want in safety. Maybe that is a way that anyone who wants to could try it with no danger.

Yes, that is how you should protect yourself, unfortunately many members here DON'T HAVE THEIR HARD DRIVE FULL IMAGED - JUST AS MEMBERS SHOULD...

Surf the Internet in Guest account, with ALL Java, Active X, Flash, and other scripting disabled to protect yourself from drive-by website malware infection.

Or simply compile it so ONLY, .txt, .pdf, .djvu .html (with no imbedded java, active X scripting, etc) & .doc (no imbedded macros) files. All graphic file formats are fine and let members do their own index file?

Such as...
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/lookdisk.html
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/SearchMyFiles.html Standalone software, no installation required.

Wizard X · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2011, 06:13:56 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on April 20, 2011, 09:14:08 AM

He said.

I tried to download Lookdisk and got this

"Forbidden You don't have permission to access /ldw_eng/setup.exe on this server.Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

Downloaded fine for me. This is the download link http://www.fxsearch.com/ldw_eng/setup.exe

nk40ouvm · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2011, 06:44:08 AM »

Thanks for uploading the split .rar form to 4shared. It downloaded fine for me. I never did open the .isz file.

First, congratulations. This is a good collection. I am most familiar with the Hive/Rhodium collections so that's where I looked most closely; Shroomery and whatnot I'm not so familiar with.

There are some duplicate files in this collection, but many of the dupes it makes sense to keep because they're referenced from different contexts. There are other duplicates that can just be dropped and will save some space, but not many. Only about a dozen I found.

I never ran any of the Java code or Windows executables included in this archive. I don't know if leaving the security tools included is a good idea. Anyone cautious enough to use computer security tools probably doesn't want to use computer security tools provided by a stranger as part of a giant drug archive.

Another relatively minor issue: you have a few hundred megabytes of books that are stored in .rar and .zip files (mostly rar) inside the .iso. Compressing each of those books separately may reduce the single file's size slightly but it will slightly hurt the compression ratio for the whole .iso, because the compressor you use on the .iso then can't effectively combine contexts across the different books. The other problem is it's a minor annoyance to open the .rar and then open the book inside instead of opening the book directly.

I ran into path problems in some of the HTML files, including top level indexes. The URL path separator is always /, forward slash. The back slash character, \, will work only by coincidence, and only on Windows. I tried browsing it on Linux and a lot of links were broken for me. I don't know if you did that yourself or if the parts of the archive already came that way, but it should be fixed. I can fix it up myself if necessary.

I am going to cross-check the Rhodium files in more detail later. I think I have a few (but not a lot) files that were missed. I can provide copies of the extra files to integrate, assuming that our mysterious archivist can visit this forum.

hypnos · « **Reply #21 on:** April 29, 2011, 11:40:04 AM »

How about some "introductory stuff about your self" in the "introductions,,for a start.....
YES!!!! IT IS THE INTERNET....but too many fuckwit hackers out there,,,I've had my share of 'unwillingly uploading" from those sites....and do it no more;,,certainly just coz someone puts a 1000 word Please.kinda makes me even more wary.....maybe you're CIA hoping to get access to

Sedit asked for a bit of "providence" which you havent provided-- its your ninth post and you are Flogging SOME OTHER DUDES SHIT??? smells strange to me...

NeilPatrickHarris · « **Reply #22 on:** April 29, 2011, 12:15:16 PM »

i haven't downloaded it yet but am curious if the psychonaut mirror is the new one i made from 3 months ago? because i'm aware the first mirror i made over a year ago got a lot of downloads but had a few problems such as the language changing (due to the crawler hitting the language preference links and trying to mirror those). the one i made 3 months ago not only has all of 2010's content but i fixed that language problem and a few other things.

the hyperlab mirror - is that the one that can be found on wetdreams or is it the small selective translated mirror that i made or is it a new mirror altogether?

hypnos · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2011, 08:57:29 AM »

Yes PSE (neat) I WAS hasty in my comment-however I was Backin Sedit's POV beecause he "IS (one of) The Protectors" that without people of his ilk, this site wouldnt bee here for you to share your stuff/ask your questions....that said,,I feel OK "to your 'friend' sharing his love" now thanx to the courtesy of a few members.... so,, "welcome Stranger"

nk40ouvm · « **Reply #24 on:** May 04, 2011, 01:06:41 AM »

0 ['mp/rhod/pdf/srn1.arylation-2.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/srn1.arylation-5.pdf']
1 ['mp/rhod/pdf/srn1.arylation-1.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/srn1.arylation-4.pdf']
2 ['mp/rhod/djvu/hahn-doublet.djvu', 'mp/rhod/djvu/hahn.djvu']
3 ['mp/rhod/pdf/aromatic.aldehyde.synthesis.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/chem.rev.38.227-254.1946.pdf']
4 ['mp/rhod/pdf/nitro.alkene.derivatives.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/nitrostyrenes.fe-hcl.pdf']
5 ['mp/rhod/pdf/cth.ra-ni.benzylalcohol.deoxygenation.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/ephedrine-rani-1.pdf']
6 ['mp/rhod/pdf/current.mitsunobu.chemistry.tour.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/mitsunobu.pdf']
7 ['mp/rhod/pdf/alpha-ethylstyrene-0.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/alpha-ethylstyrene-4.pdf']
8 ['mp/rhod/pdf/phenyl-2-alkenes.aldol-grob-1.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/phenyl-2-alkenes.aldol-grob.pdf']
9 ['mp/rhod/pdf/srn1.arylation-3.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/srn1.arylation-6.pdf']
10 ['mp/rhod/djvu/tiffenau.djvu', 'mp/rhod/djvu/tiffeneau.djvu']
11 ['mp/rhod/pdf/bentley-2.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/ethorphine-2.pdf']
12 ['mp/rhod/pdf/nmr.amphetamines.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/nmr.mda.mdea.mdma.meth.ephedrine.pdf']
13 ['mp/rhod/pdf/h2o2.terminal.epoxidation-2.pdf', 'mp/rhod/pdf/terminal.epoxidation.pdf']

You can ignore the 'mp/' prefix, it's just my ISO mount point. You only need to keep one of the files on each line.

nk40ouvm · « **Reply #25 on:** May 04, 2011, 01:26:21 AM »

The character \ should never appear in a URL. It will work only by accident, and only on Windows systems.
Some examples of bad URLs with \ in them:

In the top-level YouTopia.html:

Acacia DMT Extraction
Cacti Growing
Cannabis Growing
Coca Growing
Legal Highs
Mescaline Extraction

and many others. Some links are fine, and I can see no pattern in good vs. bad links.

All the links in rhod/index.html have the wrong character in them.
So do all the links in Hive/index.html.
Weirdly, all links in Hyperlab/Hyperlab.html appear ok.

Sorry for this abbreviated report. I would need to make more sophisticated tools to catch all files with bad URLs, and a little more work to automatically fix them too instead of cleaning up by hand...

Wizard X · « **Reply #26 on:** May 12, 2011, 12:07:36 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on May 11, 2011, 11:30:00 AM

From "His lowness" as he calls himself ---->

"nk40ouvm . Did the things you sugested and ALL the file / slash corrections . So tool now not needed . Thanks anyway .

I wanna do a credits page in the next version wich wiil be ready in about 1 week . I`d like to put the names nk40ouvm , NeilPatrickHarris and Wizard X in it ? Is that OK ? If i dont get a reply to that question i`ll go ahead and put them in there . IF anyone has ANYTHING at all they want added to their part in the credit.html please let me know within a wek from NOW either by posting here or by sending "Strangeness" a PM .

Wizard X . The X Files that i have from bit torrent are from you . I`ve "fixed" them so that they are now in .html format with the pictures and charts in them . They look to me ...... as a dickhead ...... like some of them are a bit strange and maybe not finished ? I want to put them in the Ark is that OK with you ? Do you want me to put the name Wizard X on the entry .HTML ? I am still doing the final touches to it . It would be cool if you would look at them and tell me any corections additions that are needed . When i`ve finished it i`ll upload a copy so you can have a look . I`ll send you a PM with the download link .

The next version 4.1 has a LOAD of changes and corrections + some more PDFs in it . I`m still looking for more things to put in version 5 if anyone has anything / any ideas ?

AGAIN ...... Any offers \ ideas \ sugestions \ comments ?"

Fine by me!

Again, fine by me!

I'll proof read them as time permits?

NeilPatrickHarris · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2011, 12:26:58 PM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on April 30, 2011, 01:34:42 PM

NeilPatrickHarris. "the hyperlab mirror - is that the one that can be found on wetdreams" . If you tell me where there i`ll have a look and tell you . "

I finally downloaded it and took a look, i'm impressed you did a good job. I wouldn't mind a shoutout for the Psychonaut mirror and Hyperlab though cuz i spent a long time working on those

translating hyperlab was much more of a PITA than psychonaut was for sure
BTW good job on cleaning up the hyperlab mirror, i know it's not a full mirror was very selective primarily to mdxx compounds but with a few other interesting threads too. You did a good job at sorting through them and creating that index. I also like that you fixed the psychonaut banner in the psychonaut mirror.

BTW it looks like you're missing the 1998-2000 hive archive from before the server crashed. i just uploaded it for you: h**p://www.megaupload.com/?d=VUW43VHJ

hypnos · « **Reply #28 on:** May 14, 2011, 05:21:26 PM »

As I've tried to make clear,,I am a relatively "new" member,to the ranks of the many 'visitors to cyberspace', and I am hooked with this site, and the HUGE amount I have learned,,just by, spending many hours reading and downloading files---to read later

Unfortunately for me, I havent been living anywhere that would allow me to have a "functional (ghetto) lab"....... alas, as SOON as I DO, my back shits itself on me so I am HIGHLY RESTRICTED in what I can and cant do--

And the WORST part is you Never know 'when' a bit of disc moves, and I have the equivalent of a an instant toothache type "FAAARK! Something just touched a Nerve" shooting pain,like someone just stabbed me, but over a MUCH larger area, and able to last, until I lie down for a while, after taking a cocktail of drugs to "deal with the pain"....and sometimes, it REALLY DOES HURT HEAPS!! I've HAD TO lie down in the front of a shop a few months ago,for about 5 mins until it calmed down enough for me to 'continue walking!'

I REALLY APPRECIATE what you guys are trying to do, and though I have virtually nothing to "offer" from an "innovative chemistry" pov

,; except my admiration to ALL the people who have contributed down through the years,....from the earliest "Chatrooms" through to the Hive, and its counterparts, which WERE the "Precursors required..." for something as good as the Vespiary, to "Rear its Frightening Head";

And "scare the shit out of those people who would "rather they didn't talk about such discombobulating topics,such as, "The Vespiary and its peers"--My God!! "They" want people to take a drug, that Actually "MAKES YOU HAPPY,

AND ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE LOVING SIDES OF PEOPLE,,they may 'otherwise, NEVER SEE!!

And,, particularly for those, 'Sheeples', who "Truly Believe, and Trust, our Govts, 'Are Acting, (yes,'Acting', with, Logie Award Winning, nomination 'quality' Bullshit and deceit, much of the time....), for the Good (No, the Sheeple actually "receive, a tiny amount "% wise", of What ' REALLY "Goes on,In the Govt's minds, and what 'goes through' the Govt's Hands.... ) of the Sheeple!?' Ha!!

But what REALLY impresses me , the way members are able to, and DO "help other members" help each other....

There ARE many VERY capable,clever,intelligent,Experienced! members in this forum,, and its Soooo Good to see people from ALL OVER THE WORLD, sharing their knowledge....

It just blows me away---I believe the internet can Educate People who wish to learn--AMAZINGLY!!
And I want to thank ALL the members mentioned, who have/and still are participating on this great project....

To Quote Drone 1240

Quote

Yep but i aint into restricted . I think the info needs to be collected , stewed down and distributed to anyone and everyone who wants it . If they fuck up they fuck up same with matches

ITS THE INFO THATS THE IMPORTANT THING AND PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER IN ONE SEARCHABLE FILE FOR THE FUTURE

I TOTALLY AGREE
Hypnos

Balkan Bonehead · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2011, 02:33:53 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on June 03, 2011, 08:41:14 PM

Anyone got anything else to add ?

I found an online hive mirror, which may prove useful to some: parazite.fi/hiveboard/

I have archived copies of the hive, the older strike-era hive, and synthetikal saved to an external drive and indexed with google desktop. This makes it infinitely easier to find some tidbit of information, since it utilizes google's flexible search parameters, which would probably be absent from a "bundled" search utility.

Balkan Bonehead · « **Reply #30 on:** June 14, 2011, 10:31:51 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on June 14, 2011, 09:22:59 AM

Have you got a link to it all please ? Maybe a zip / rar downloadable file if there is / are no web adressess . .

I`m not sure about the "Big Brother google" bit though . I`ll pass it on to His lowness and see what he has to say .

Pardon, a link to all what?

I agree with the google privacy concerns, but I concluded that it wasn't much less secure a proposition than my ordinary internet habits, which include browsing sites like this. I limit google to indexing the external drive, so it does not know what is on C:/, for example.

Balkan Bonehead · « **Reply #31 on:** June 14, 2011, 02:52:35 PM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on June 14, 2011, 01:56:59 PM

"Pardon, a link to all what?"

Things you have or know where to get that might add to the Ark ......... hive things ......

Oh. Actually, I don't remember where I got the archives I mentioned, or whether they came bundled as one file or were separate files. I want to say sciencemadness or Madhatter's FTP, but I may have just found them from googling 'hive archive torrent' or something similar. Be aware that some of the hive archives floating around are incomplete.

NeilPatrickHarris · « **Reply #32 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:48:57 PM »

^ yes, it's my understanding that the admins removed a large portion of content towards the end of the hive for whatever reason. that's what i've been told anyway, not sure how true it is.

Balkan Bonehead · « **Reply #33 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:44:02 PM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on June 14, 2011, 06:46:36 PM

I`ve never seen or heard of a complete one

By 'complete', I meant that the archive contains all of the threads that are included in the mirror I linked, which covers the years 2001-2004, approximately, plus some supplementary files like pdfs, gifs, and djvus. In some versions, however, some of the htm files are gone, so the links in the forum indices are effectively broken. I think I know what you mean r.e. none of them being truly complete: there are alot of links in the threads themselves that point to a non-existent "DUMMY" folder. As to the whereabouts of those missing posts, I have no idea.

In addition to that one, however, there is another archive that includes a bunch of posts from about 1998 thru 2001, plus the short-lived synthetikal forum from 2005. I really wish I could remember where I got it from. I'll look around, or just zip and mount my copy if I cannot locate it. Maybe java can help, he seems to know where everything is.

hypnos · « **Reply #34 on:** June 15, 2011, 12:02:36 PM »

IMO that sound sound both understandable, and likely...

No doubt though, that "Somewhere in Cyberspace" ,, live some Pretty complete mirrors...
Now this is Only, an "Educated Guess" from what I've been told,, by those IBelieve ,,becoz after much "intercourse togther"(asexual), they 'have Never given me A Reason,,to doubt their sincerity,,,in what they both say, and DO!

Seek and Ye Shall Find hexamatey, in that I Believe

,,'Luck' has NOthing to DO with shit

"ones," Successes ,,and /or Failures,.. in Life,, Are The ways we learn about this Game of Life We do our 'Best, To survive/evolve(hopefully!) as best we know How",, and we Do this by 'thinking about "it'

That, it is, "The Consistent Application of The Mind",, 'upon 'What you want,' (aka as Praying...!) and esp, WHY do "You"( in the Plural sense-i.e Every/any body?) Pray for, That It IS You DO,,while going to sleep??

Take care hexamatey, good to see you around

Cheers Hyppy

OoBYCoO · « **Reply #35 on:** June 15, 2011, 05:31:47 PM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on April 02, 2011, 12:48:46 PM

I`m looking for FULL copys of "The Complete Book of Ecstacy" , and "Psychedelic Chemistry" by Michael Valentine Smith as the ones i have found are not complete . I`m also looking for copys of the entheogen review issued after 2005 . If you know where i can get them please let me know.

If he's still looking for those books...

The Entheogen Review:
Complete run (11 issues) of The Psychedelic Review [1963-1971] in CBR. Complete run (57 issues) of The Entheogen Review [1992-2008] in PDF. A full index and sample issue is also included.
Magnet link---> demonoid.me/files/downloadmagnet/2397335/37509710

Smith - Psychedelic Chemistry 2e HTML.rar:
Magnet link---> demonoid.me/files/downloadmagnet/1458473/22505826 (When you open the torrent file w/ your app uncheck all of the other books, unless you want them.)

The Complete Book of Ecstacy: Sorry couldn't find it.

OoBYCoO · « **Reply #36 on:** June 15, 2011, 08:26:39 PM »

That's weird. When I put the www. infront of those addresses it works fine. I'll PM you the links, but it'll be the same as you just putting www. in front of demonoid.me/files/downloadmagnet/2397335/37509710 and the other one.

Buddah · « **Reply #37 on:** June 29, 2011, 02:06:40 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on June 16, 2011, 08:46:33 AM

Can someone please get those two torrents and either upload them to a download site and post the adress ......OR ...... put .txt on the end of them , open them and copy the contents into a PM and post them to me please ?

Psychedelic_Magazines_Entheogen_Review_[1992_2008]_Psychedelic_Review_[1963_1971]_O-Demonoid.me-O

LSD_Psychedelics_Essential_Books_v3-((Demonoid.me))

lugh · « **Reply #38 on:** July 13, 2011, 10:12:09 AM »

The Lord of the Realms has done nothing but try to help the members of the swarm, it's not his fault that as time passes computer files become corrupted

People need to take measures to protect such data, by using file checking tools that are freely available

A copy downloaded last year is attached, please try not to fuck it up this time

lugh · « **Reply #39 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:22:03 PM »

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LOL.....ROTFL........Ahhhhh ! Yooz bin a lurkin agin .......... First thanks for the download ...... BUT ..... did you open it and look at the first .doc file = XFile 1.doc ? Its exactly the same as the other 4 we downloaded = totaly fucked and light years away from a quality that his lowness will acept for his master work . He spent several weeks trying to repair the files and also trying to find a program that will open them without the squares instead of the print that should be there . Could it be that XP , microshit office and every single conversion program that we have both tried are broken ? Or is it the x-files ?

I wouldnt think of slagging the lord of the realms or his work ....... i aint slagging anything or anyone ....... this time ....... I`m just pointing ouit that all 5 copys are either totaly fucked or loads of proffesional sofware is fucked ......... or maybe its terrorist mckenna and the machine elves putting a curse on both of us , our composters and all that software ........ ?

Sorry beeing a thicko i`m just haveing to guess as i`m not and dont even think i`m infalable just because i used to post on the hive ............ .

Please look at the attached picture to see what we can see and then please tell us how to see the words that should be where the squares are ....... in all 5 downloads ..........

The text from the document in question:

DISCLAIMER : THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES OR ACADEMIC STUDY ONLY. CHECK YOUR LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, AND PROCURE THE NECESSARY PERMITS BEFORE UNDERTAKING ANY OF THE REACTIONS DESCRIBED BELOW. WIZARD X SHALL NOT BE HELD LIABLE AND INDEMNIFIED FROM IMPEACHMENT FOR THE USE, MISUSE, INJURY, DEATH, IMPRISIONMENT OR FELLATION DUE TO THE APPLICATION OF THIS INFORMATION.

PERFACE

In this revised supplementary procedure of Festers hydrogenation I will dream of 70% - 90% yields. Dreaming of 90% greater yields using this method is pure BS as medium to high hydrogen pressure is needed. There is however, only one method that I know that gives 100% yield at one normal hydrogen atmosphere ( 1Atm ) pressure, at 10 deg C, for 20 hours hydrogenation. The catalyst however, is very very difficult to make.

The greater efficiency in this revised supplementary procedure is due to cell design and hydrogen adsorbtion.

Look at all JPG files.

ELECTROCHEMICAL THEORY

Festers procedure is really a catalytic hydrogenation (hydrogenolysis) reduction with H2 produced insitu via electrolysis of water. The H2 and the Eph acetic ester are adsorbed onto the Pd metal surface where the reduction takes place. A sealed cell stops oxygen from being dissolved into the electrolyte as O2 is 27 times more soluble in the electrolyte than H2 at 20 deg C. If the Pd/C will catalytically reduce the Eph acetic ester and H2 which are adsorbed onto the Pd metal surface, then it surely will catalytically reduce the dissolved O2 with H2 to give water.
(2H2 + O2 ===> 2H2O) Thus O2 competes with the Eph acetic ester and O2 is reduced much more easy.

Electrochemical reduction (no catalysts)

Ph = C6H5- , ECR = electrochemical reduction

R = -COCH3, -COC6H5, -CO2Et or H

Ph-(HCOH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 === ECR ===>> NO reduction reaction

Ph-(HCOR)-CN === ECR (2e) ===>> Ph-CH2-CN + HOR reduction reaction

Ph-(HCOR)-COOH === ECR (2e) ===>> Ph-CH2-COOH + HOR reduction reaction

Ph-(HCOR)-CO-CH3 === ECR (2e) ===>> Ph-CH2-CO-CH3 + HOR reduction reaction

Ph-(HCOR)-CO-CH3 == ECR(4e)==>> Ph-CH2-(HCOH)-CH3 + HOR reduction reaction

R1 = -COC6H5, -COCH3 best leaving groups.

-CO2Et or H poor leaving groups.

Ph-(COR1)(-COOH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 ========== ECR (2e) =============>>

Ph-(HC-COOH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + HOR1 reduction reaction

Ph-(HC-COOH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 === decarboxylation ===>> Ph-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3

Carbon-Oxygen bonds may be cleaved, electrohydrogenolysis (H2 cleaverage) in protic media (acidic solutions pH1 - pH3) when adjacent to one or more powerfully activating groups such as the carbonyl or cyano functions. The carbonyl or cyano functions activate a benzylic carboanion to be formed which reacts with a H+ from the acidic medium. The acidic medium helps protonate the oxygen on the carbon-oxygen benzylic bond helping to induce the benzylic carboanion.

Ac = -COCH3

Ph-(HCOR1)-CH(-NAc-CH3)-CH3 ==== ECR, 12-20 Volts, 4A === (2e) =======>>

Ph-CH2-CH(-NAc-CH3)-CH3 + HOR1, reduction reaction gives poor yield due to dimerization and alcohol formation with no activating group. Even though the reaction requires theoretically, 2 electrons, the amount is much greater, 5-7 fold. Simply you are forcing a benzylic carboanion to be formed which reacts with a H+ from the acidic medium. The acidic medium helps protonate the oxygen on the carbon-oxygen benzylic bond helping to induce the benzylic carboanion.

IN MOST CASES THE REACTION PROCEEDS VIA H2 CLEAVERAGE BETWEEN THE O-R , OR THE O-R1 FORMING THE ALCOHOL IF NO ACTIVATING FUNCTION GROUP IS ADJACENT

CONTENTS

1 Power Supplies

2 Current Regulator

3 Tests : [ 1 ] Ester test
[ 2 ] Polarity test

4 Catalyst : 30 % Palladium on Carbon

5 Cell Dividers

6 Cell Design

7 Cell Resistance

8 Multiple Parallel Cell Arrangement

9 Revised Supplementary Procedure

POWER SUPPLIES

The power supply is important, but not crucial. Have two power packs that step-down from the mains :
( 1 ) 12 Volt, 1.5 - 2 Amps and ( 2 ) 12 - 15 Volts, voltage regulated if possible with 500 mAoutput.
Power pack 1 is used to pre-treat or anodize the Pd ingot, and nothing more. Power pack 2 is used in the main electrocatalytic hydrogenation. Simply there is no need to try and lower the current from Power pack 1 down to a useful level. Power packs are cheap and easy. I have included circuit diagrams LM2941.jpg and LM317.jpg for those who want to build a regulated variable power supply.

CURRENT REGULATOR
Look at file D_1 Figure 1.

This circuit is optional, but it does two things, regulate the current and fix the voltage.The Zener diode, fixes the voltage and the current regulated by the transistor BC 640 or MJ2955. The wire wound variable resistor determines or sets the regulated amount of current, sent through the ammeter. The transistor BC 640 can handle up to 1 Amp at its collector, but use no more than 500 mA. Transistor get very hot. The MJ2955 can handle up to 15 Amp at its collector, but use no more than 10 A, with a large heatsink. I have included a circuit diagram for a high current output variable voltage regulator, Icop.jpg

TESTS

ESTER TEST : Hydroxamic acid test for esters.
By comparing the colour of two samples produced before the hydrogenation and after, you can determine the amount of ester reduced ( hydrogenated ).

Pre - test : To 1 drop of the Ephedrine acetic ester mixture in a small test tube before the hydrogenation, add 1ml of 95% ethanol and 1ml of 1N HCl. Then add 1 drops of 5 % iron ( III ) chloride solution. If a violet , blue , red or orange colour develops, then the test below can not be used as something ( contamination ) else is reacting with the iron ( III ) chloride.

[ 1 ] Place 3 drops of the Ephedrine acetic ester in a small test tube before the hydrogenation. Place another 3 drops in a second small test tube after the electrocatalytic hydrogenation is complete. Now add to both test tubes 3 drops of a saturated solution of Hydroxylamine hydrochloride in methanol ( or 1ml of a 6 % solution of Hydroxylamine hydrochloride in methanol to both test tubes ).
[ 2 ] Add to both test tubes 6 drops of saturated Potassium hydroxide in methanol solution, or until distinctly alkaline to litmus. Remember add to both test tubes equal amounts. Heat the mixture gentle just to boil, the cool to room temperature.
[ 3 ] Acidify both test tubes with equal amounts of dilute HCl ( 2N ) and then add to both test tubes 2 drops of 5 % iron ( III ) chloride solution. A reddish ( burgundy ) or violet ( magenta ) colour will indicated the presents of ester.
Sample taken before hydrogenation is the control, assuming 100% Ephedrine converted into the acetic ester.
The second test tube having the sample after the electrocatalytic hydrogenation will indicate the amount of ester not hydrogenated.

POLARITY TEST

Look at file D_1 Figure 3.

Some power supplies have the current flowing from positive + to negative - And so, errors can occur when wiring up the cell. To ensure that this does not happen follow this polarity test procedure. When current flows in the A lead ( anode, long lead ) of a Light Emitting Diode, and out the K lead ( cathode, short lead ) it glows. If it is reversed it does not. Solder a 560 ohm resistor on the A lead ( anode, long lead ) making sure not to over heat the lead. The A lead with resistor connects (wired ) to the positive + terminal of the power supply, and the K lead connects (wired ) to the Pd ingot. Now, connect (wired ) the Pb electrode to the negative - terminal. By touching the two electrodes together ( make sure clean oxide free surface ), if the LED glows then the current polarity is correct. The current is flowing from positive + to negative - .This means the positive + terminal is the cathode and reduction occurs, and the negative - terminal is the anode where oxidation occurs.

If the LED does not glow, then reverse the wires at the terminals. Make sure at all times good connection is made.

REMEMBER ! ONCE YOU HAVE DETERMINED THE POLARITIES OF THE ELECTRODES, REMOVE THE LED TESTER FROM THE CELL CIRCUIT.

CATALYST : 30 % PALLADIUM ON CARBON

Palladium is the superior catalyst in this reaction. Platinum is the second, but can also attack the aromatic ring of the Ephedrine.

30 % Palladium on Carbon preparation. Prepare a solution of 8.25 grams of palladium chloride, or 9.93 grams of palladium chloride dihydrate in 5 mls of concentrated hydrochloric acid ( HCl ) and dilute with 50 mls of distilled water. Cool the solution in an ice-salt bath and add 50 mls of 40 % formaldehyde solution and 11 grams of acid-washed activated charcoal. ( Any of the commercial forms of activated charcoal, "Norit or Darco", may be employed ; the carbon should be heated on a steam bath with 10 % nitric acid for 2-3 hours, and then washed free of acid with distilled water and dried at 100 deg C before use. )

Stir the mixture mechanically and add a solution of 50 grams of potassium hydroxide in 50 mls of water, keeping the temperature below 5 deg C. When the addition is complete, raise the temperature to 60 deg C for 15 minutes. Wash the catalyst thoroughly by decantation with distilled water and finally with 1N acetic acid. Collect on a suction filter and wash with distilled water until free from chlorides and alkali. Dry at 100 deg C, and store in a desiccator.

This makes plenty of catalyst ( approx 12 grams ) for many runs, as only half a gram is needed for each run. The catalyst used in that run is filtered and used again, and again until that first half a grams becomes non-active. Usually, 10-15 runs per half a grams.

CELL DIVIDERS

Look at file D_1 Figure 2. The green colour denotes the porous diaphragm or membrane.

Figure 2 a : filter paper extraction thimbles, used in Soxhlet extraction apparatus.

Figure 2 b : plastic tube ( PVC, Plexiglass, Acrylic, ect ) or glass tube with a disc of Whatmans acid-hardened filter paper or Whatmans glass-fiber filter paper, glued with epoxy glue or the plastic made soft with a solvent. Make sure you create a good seal between the plastic tube and the filter paper disc. Acrylic plastic tube placed vertically on a chloroform soaked filter paper disc and held there, with pressure, until the solvent dries works well. Place the chloroform soaked filter paper disc on a sheet of glass , not plastic.

Figure 2 c : same as above, with the plastic tube material or glass tube, but the material used in the porous diaphragm or membrane can be made of ( 1 ) Fiberfrax ( ceramic fiber ) paper or finely woven cloth, ( 2 ) Fiberglass (glass fiber ) paper or finely woven cloth, ( 3 ) Carbonfiber ( graphite fiber ) paper or finely woven cloth,
( 4 ) Asbestos ( asbestos fiber ) paper or finely woven cloth. The porous diaphragm or membrane properties can be improved by impregnating the paper or cloth with a methylcellulose gel. The gel is formed by impregnating the paper or cloth with a hot solution of methylcellulose in dimethylformamide solvent and allowing it to cool.

Figure 2 d : extraction thimbles as used in the Soxhlet extraction apparatus can be purchased as glass walled tubes with sintered glass porous frits. Use a fine porous frit.

Finally, potassium hydrogen sulphate (KHSO4)or potassium sulphate(K2SO4) agar gel salt bridge or plugs can be used, but with great care.
To make the salt agar gel the procedure is : heat 100mls of distilled water in a 250 ml Erlenmeyer flask just to boil and then place on a steam bath. Add 3.5 grams of agar powder, stir, and continue to heat until a uniform suspension is formed. Then, add 34 grams of potassium hydrogen sulphate ( KHSO4 ) and stir until it goes into solution. Cool the mixture to about 40 deg C, this will not allow the agar to gel, but keeps it liquid for use. The agar gels at room temperature. When making a agar gel salt bridge using a U shaped tube, try not to get air bubbles in the gelled agar, keep it uniform.
Finally, plugs of this salt agar gel can be made by adding the liquid gel mixture to Figure 2b & 2c type cell dividers.

Also, you can stretch the condom, as used in Festers procedure over a plastic tube ( PVC, Plexiglass, Acrylic, ect )
to obtain a more permeable membrane.

CELL DESIGN
Look at file D_1 C1 to C5

Keep the temperature of the electrolyte between 20 to 25 deg C.

C 1: You can purchase cell divided apparatus with a sintered glass frit.

C 2 : Make the cell divider 2 / 3 the diameter of the glass container ( beaker ), this will keep cell resistance low.

C 3 : Same setup as in C 2 , but the cathode is a copper foil plated with Pd , and wrapped around the cell divider with gas venting spacers inbetween the cell divider wall and copper foil. Remember the current density is for the entire copper foil area , and only expose the Pd plated area to the electrolyte. The copper foil ( clean from oxides and grease, oil etc) can be plated by placing it in a concentrated solution of palladium chloride PdCl 2 ,or it an be done at the cathode in the concentrated solution of palladium chloride electrochemically.

C 4 : Straight forward , look at the diagram.

C 5 : Use a glass walled , fine sintered glass frit cell divider. A large rubber bung with holes ( red colour ) through the top allowing the cell divider and electrodes into the cell. The cell must be absolutely sealed and air tight so no hydrogen gas escapes. A pressure equalization system is setup so the hydrogen pressure does not build up too great and explode the cell. This is done by filling a large test-tube , 2 / 3 with glycerine and immersing a glass tube almost to the bottom. See the diagram. The cathode can be suspended by using a copper wire through a glass tube, and making contact with the Pd ingot fixed to it by drilling a small hole in the Pd ingot and crimpping the copper wire in the hole and finally sealing the end by melting the glass . Seal all exposed copper wire with epoxy resin.

CELL RESISTANCE

Each electrolytic cell constructed with different materials , cell dividers , and electrolytes has an internal resistance that is different. Using Ohms Law V = IR, you can determine the maximum resistance at a particular voltage and current. If V = 12 volts and I = 0.3 amps, then 40 ohms is the maximum cell resistance. This means if you calculate the cell resistance by connecting a multimeter set at volts, on the Pd and Pb electrodes while beginning the electrocatalytic hydrogenation and determine the voltage between the electrodes. The majority of cell resistance is between the electrodes. Then determine the current flow and use (V/I = R), resistance is determined. Resistance of the cell is not constant. If it is greater than 40 ohms then a 0.3 amp current will not flow at that voltage AND heat is generated.

REMEMBER : THE GREATER THE CELL RESISTANCE IS THE LESS CURRENT FLOWS AND MORE HEAT IS GENERATED.

MULTIPLE PARALLEL CELL ARRANGEMENT

Multiple parallel cell arrangement can be performed from a single power source ( power pack or other ) by connection the cells in PARALLEL. This lowers the resistance. DO NOT CONNECT IN SERIES.

PARALLEL CELL ARRANGEMENT RESISTANCE FORMULA :
1 / R = ( 1 / R 1 ) + ( 1 / R 2 ) + ( 1 / R 3 )

R = the cell resistance

REVISED SUPPLEMENTARY PROCEDURE

THE 1998 FESTER FORMULA: SUPPLEMENTARY PROCEDURE

BY WIZARD X

Electrocatalytic Hydrogenation of Ephedrine, Pseudoephedrine and Phenylpropanolamine

Materials:

One (1) gram of purified ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or phenylpropanolamine.
One troy ounce ingot of palladium
Glacial acetic acid
Concentrated sulfuric acid
Sodium hydroxide
Anhydrous HCl gas source
pH-indicating paper
Toluene
Kling-Tite Naturalamb brand condoms or cell divider in Figure 2
Lead or graphite electrode 1/2-inch wide by 3-4 inches long
Six one-inch alligator clips
Several feet of 16 to 20 gauge insulated copper wire
Variable DC power supply
Ammeter capable of measuring up to 3 amps, with resoloution to 1/10 of an amp
Voltmeter (optional)
thermometer
Apparatus for Cell C 5 construction.

Procedure:

One gram of ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or PPA hydrochloride is placed in a large test-tube along with 9 mL of glacial acetic acid. The test tube is heated in a water bath until all the ephedrine (in this case)
hydrochloride is dissolved. Add 1 ml of concentrated HCl or 10 drops of concentrated sulfuric acid.

Mix it all together and LOOSELY stopper the end of the test tube to prevent steam from entering. Heat the water bath to just about boiling,(80-95 deg C) and use it to heat the test tube and its contents for 2 hours. If you see the once clear solution turn brown quickly over the coase of the 2 hour heating, then cease and cool. This forms the acetic ester of the ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or PPA used in the reaction. The solution should appear clear and water-like, completely homogenous. Save 3 drops in a small test tube for ester test. After heating, the reaction mixture can be kept stoppered as is for a few days, but it's best to use it immediately after it's cooked.

Next, mix up a solution of 10 mL of concentrated sulfuric acid in 200 mL of water. Take a 250 mL beaker, C 5 cell construction and place it on a magnetic stirrer. Have the cell C 5 constructed beaker, and place a piece of lead ( Pb ) 1/4 to 1/2 inch in diameter and a 4 inches long inside the cell divider. On the other side of the beaker, insert the one-ounce ingot of palladium cathode. Using alligator clips, to make contact with the ingot, via the copper wire and with the piece of lead. They are your two electrodes. Next, pour the dilute sulfuric acid solution into the cell divider so 1 / 2 to 2 / 3 full. Next , the dilute sulfuric acid solution is poured into the beaker so that the solution level is about 2 cm lower inside the beaker than the cell divider. The ingot of palladium should be completely immersed.
The surface of the palladium ingot should be very lightly sanded with very fine sandpaper prior to use and washed with methanol. This increases its surface area a little and exposes fresh, clean metal. The piece of lead should be scrubbed free of grease and dirt.
Measure the cell resistance with a multimeter set on volts, and determine the voltage between the electrodes.
A DC current meter (ammeter) should be put in series with the wiring.

The wires are first hooked up so that the palladium ingot is connected to the positive pole (oxidation) of the DC power supply, and the piece of lead to the negative (reduction). Use the polarity tester to get the polarities correct.
The typical one-ounce ingot will have a face with an area of about 6-7 square centimeters immersed in the solution. Only count the area on the side facing the lead piece. The back side doesn't count because significant current doesn't reach it. With this typical ingot apply about 1.5 - 2 amps for 30 seconds to one minute.
Oxygen will bubble freely from the ingot, and hydrogen from the piece of lead. Blackening will be noted on the edges of the ingot, where the current is most intense, and a lighter discoloration on the flat face of the ingot. This pre-treatment is called anodizing. It has been found that anodizing increases the ability of the palladium ingot to adsorb hydrogen when the wiring is turned around, and the ingot is made the cathode.

Next, redo the wiring so that the palladium ingot is attached to
the negative pole (reduction) of the DC power supply, and the piece of lead to the positive (oxidation). Use the polarity tester to get the polarities correct.
Add 1 / 3 to 1 / 2 grams of the 30 % Pd on carbon catalyst and start magnetic stirring immediately.
Apply a gentle vacuum to the outlet tube of the pressure equalization test tube so it sucks out the air in the reaction beaker.

Turn the juice back on and run between one and two amps of current for about 20 minutes. At first, the amount of hydrogen generated at the palladium ingot will appear small.This is because the Pd adsorbs hydrogen so well. After about five minutes of current passage, the whole surface of the ingot will freely bubble off hydrogen and the 30 % Pd on carbon catalyst is also adsorbing hydrogen. Stop the vacuum after 2 minutes of suction and disconnect from theoutlet tube.

After the 20 minute charging with hydrogen, add all of the ester reaction mixture from the large test tube with a syringe. Use two syringes so one plugs the addition port at all times , so the hydrogen gas doesn't escape. Adjust the current flow from the power supply so that a current of about 50 milliamps per square centimeter of palladium surface flows. If one has about six square centimeters of the ingot facing the piece of lead immersed in the solution, a current of about 300 milliamps is called for. This will result in some gassing off of hydrogen from the edges of the ingot, but over the rest of its surface the hydrogen will react before it bubbles off. The lead anode will form a brown layer of lead oxide, and will not dissolve at all in the sulfuric acid solution.
Some surface particles will be kicked off the lead when it's first charging, but they don't make it through the cell divider. The lead anode can be replace with a piece of platinum if desired, but lead is a lot cheaper. Graphite is another possibilty.

Keep the temperature of the cell electrolyte between 20 - 25 deg C.

Keep an eye on the current meter, as the current flow can change as the reaction progresses if you do not use the current regulator.
Keep the current flow around 300 mA ( 0.3 amp )for the size ingot given in this example. A Coulomb is a unit of charge equalling one amp-second.
C = A x s
96,500 C = 1 mole of electrons.

Continue at 300 milliamps until 3000 coulombs have passed through the solution. Let us use the 300 mA current to show an example of these calculations: At 300 milliamps, 3000 coulombs pass in 10,000
seconds, or two hours, 45 minutes.

3000 coulombs per gram of feed material has been found to give good yields of a fine product, but by no means consider this number to be optimal. It may well be that a greater yield would be obtained by passing
more current. It may also be that pseudoephedrine and PPA differ from ephedrine in their ease of electrocatalytic hydrogenation. Apply no more than 3 hours at 300 milliamps of current.

During the course of the reduction, the colour slowly changes from its initially clear color to slightly tinted with yellow. Now that a hydrogen atmosphere is present the reaction mixture is not in contact with oxygen in the air. It's a byproduct of the reaction. In any case, it's a remarkably clean reaction.

When the desired amount of current has passed, the work-up and isolation of the product is very simple. Save another 3 drops in a second small test tube. The cell divider is rinsed off into the beaker and removed from the beaker , after pulling out the lead electrode first. The anode can be used over and over again.
The palladium cathode is then washed into the beaker and removed.
It too can be reused an INNUMERABLE number of times.
The process of anodizing the palladium will have to be repeated prior to each run. Some fresh metal may have to be exposed on occasion by very light sanding of the metal surface. An ingot of palladium should last for a lifetime.

The reaction mixture should be filtered into a sep funnel, so to collect the Pd/C catalyst and rinse both the catalyst and beaker with water. Add a 20 % NaOH solution should be added with shaking until the solution is strongly (13 + pH) alkaline to pH paper. The catalyts is dried at 100 deg C after being rinsed again with water. Store in desicator.

Extract with two 50 to 100 mL portions of toluene. This should be plenty for one-gram of product. The toluene extracts are pooled together and dried with anhydrous magnesium sulphate. Decant in a clean beaker and rinse with tolulene the anhydrous magnesium sulphate and decant in the same clean beaker.Then bubble with dry HCl to get the crystalline hydrochloride product. After rinsing them off with some fresh toluene or ether , they are spread out to dry.

The most pleasantly surprising finding is that crank produced by this method doesn't give one the body and soul-wrenching hangovers so typical of the product made by the iodine-red phosphorous method..
If one should wish to produce more than a gram or so at a time, a larger palladium cathode should be used. Linking together parallel more ingots of palladium would get pretty expensive, so a more economical alternative will be detailed. That alternative is electroplating some copper or brass screen with a thick coating of palladium.

The simplest way to get this section of screen electroplated with palladium is to go to the yellow pages, look under electroplaters and find one who plates palladium. Ask for a plate build-up of several thousandths of an inch, so that enough Pd is deposited to last a while.

The Pd plated screen would then be used exactly like the ingot. First it must be anodized, then charged up with hydrogen in exactly the same way. The sole difference is that the greater surface area of the
screen facing the condom-encased anode requires a correspondingly greater amount of current to be passed. Then, during the course of the reduction, again 50 milliamps per square centimeter of surface area facing the anode
is used. The total of 3000 or so coulombs per gram of feed material doesn't change by increasing the size of the electrode.

An alternative to this is plating the screen yourself, anodically dissolving a portion of the ingot to form a PdCl2 solution .

The lastest word from Fester is a couple of references from Indian journals on electroplating graphite electrodes with palladium, essentially giving a Pd black on C catalyst in the cell!

1) Krishnan, Electrochemica Acta, Vol 21, Pg 449-450 (1976)

On the Electrochemical Reduction of Benzyl Cyanide to Phenethylamine with
a Pd/C Electrode

2) Krishnan, Journal of Applied Chemistry, Vol 5, Pg 125-128 (1975)

The greater activity of Pd on C (over straight Pd) results in a shorter reaction time.

Water Electrolysis :

ANODE (Oxidation) : H2O ==>> 2(H+) + 2e + O2 E ox = -1.23 V Standard Electrode Potential

CATODE (Reduction) : 2H2O + 2e ==>> H2 + 2(OH-) E red = -0.83 V Standard Electrode Potential

E = E red + E ox So E = -0.83 + (-1.23) = -2.06 V This is the emf of the electrolysis.
Because -2.06 is negative the reaction is nonspontaneous, so a potential of 2.06 V is reqiured to start electrolysis.

Total Cell Voltage : E = E (back emf) + E (overvoltage) + E (iR ; cell resistance) + E (polarization)

E (back emf) is -2.06 V

E (overvoltage) is excess potential that must be applied over the reversible potential -2.06 V

Overvoltage of Hydrogen and Oxygen on Pt and Pd Electrodes.

Overvoltage , V
Current Density amps/cm2 H2 O2
0.001 0.024 0.72
0.01 0.068 0.85
0.1 0.29 1.28
1.0 0.68 1.49

Overvoltage can be minimized by keeping electrode area large and current density low.

E (iR ; cell resistance) Occurs mostly between the electrodes in the cell. Since strong acids are being used excellent
H+ concentration gives good conductance. However, R of the cell is not constant like metals or semiconductors.
In general V = I & C = I , where V is volts , I is current A , C is concentration in mol/dm3. Basically, as you increase volts you increase current & as you increase C (strong acids only) you increase I.
Now, if (2.06/0.3) = 6.87ohms, then you need another 2.06 V for the resistance, assuming the cell R is 6.87 ohms.
Cell resistance is not constant so R is always changing. To minimize R, have good stirring and high concentrations of acid.

E (polarization) this can be omitted. Concentration polarization can be minimized by good stirring and high concentrations and low current densities.

I passed a current of 0.31 A at 4.2 V (electrode potential ) using a sintered glass frit cell divider. Power voltage was 6.56 V. So, E = 2.06 + 2.06 + 0.29 = 4.41 V close.

His lowness needs to fix his computer(s) himself, instead of wasting the staff's valuable time and expensive bandwidth posting complaints about a local issue

The only person who can help his lowness is himself, the question is whether he is willing to do something about his computer problems or keep wasting everyone else's time

A clean reinstall would have solved this issue a few weeks ago

The end results from the effort applied

lugh · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2011, 01:01:39 AM »

Computer skills gained from being a member of that long gone but certainly not forgotten website are vastly superior to most if not all training courses that one might pay for

Just as racing mechanics posses far superior skills to those who are available to the public, hackers that participate in competitions at Defcon know way more about such things than that fellow that has a sign advertising his skills with computers outside of his house or the Geek Squad for that matter

It's none of your business what operating system(s) are installed on this computer, but for your information both Linux and Windows are available when needed

The text that was posted was copied and pasted from the file uploaded earlier in this thread, using IZ Arc and Open Office to open the archive and the doc files respectively

IZ Arc can be downloaded at:

http://www.izarc.org/

and Open Office from:

http://www.openoffice.org/

now hey man tried to get every member of the Hive using Microsoft products to use Open Office, which clearly works a lot better than anything you folks have tried

Apparently you didn't get the message; perhaps you should pay more attention to good advice which is priceless

The administration of the Hive clearly made some mistakes, but at least they could spell properly

The rancor that you're displaying is part of the reason that the chief bee quit hosting the Hive, clearly you should rethink your approach to learning what you want to know

Your problem is local to your systems, hopefully you haven't been infected by a root kit that makes it impossible to open doc files

As has been stated, the end results from the effort applied

Wizard X · « **Reply #41 on:** July 15, 2011, 01:04:10 AM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on July 14, 2011, 12:19:59 PM

The program opened the files perfectly ..... thanks . Wich proves it wasnt our fault , a rootkit or our systems . As microcrap orifice and all the other programs we tried wouldnt deal with it it shows that its the doc files themselves. I would think that they were made with a program that doesnt work optimaly .

I just downloaded my X-Files and the issue is NOT the document files. It seems W2K, XP, Vista, W7 Wordpads have an issue reading the bold MS Sans Serif font.

Best I can recall, I used either Windows ME Wordpad, or MS Office 97 to write those document files.

Even AbiWord Portable from http://portableapps.com/apps/office/abiword_portable can read those 2 document files okay.

In conclusion: MS Wordpad and MS Office have a glitch reading BOLD MS Sans Serif font.

OoBYCoO · « **Reply #42 on:** July 25, 2011, 10:21:21 PM »

Quote from: The Lone Stranger on June 15, 2011, 10:24:13 PM

Thanks for the info but no matter what he does nothing works . The only way he can get to the site is with a proxy and then whatever he does he gets --->

"Can't send torrent

Non-registered visitors are limited to just a few torrent downloads per week.
To download the torrent you must register.

Registration to this website is absolutely free.

Click here to go to the registration page
or
Click here to go back"

even thougfh he joined .I tried it with his member name and password and the same happens .

You can't use proxies on those sites... sorry.

hypnos · « **Reply #43 on:** September 23, 2011, 08:25:02 PM »

On this point, I Must Agree, and as I am fairly "new" to online Anything, I've got MUCH
to Learn, and a "Friendly and Humane" enviroment, kinda like working for google(who's My Friend...!)

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IF this forum has problems its with the management and one sided decisions . The atmosphere here is not one of free thinking and inovation ...... things that a site like this needs to thrive ...... its one of fear of being shot at by the staff . If you and the rest of the staff want it to thrive i would advise you to rethink the methods that are being used ...... on the lines of ..... "the end results from the effort applied " .

BTW==to ANY Mod who cares, the 'spell checker' is "confused" to put it mildly--and on the subject of Spelling...EVERYBODY...the word that "describes an undecided variable"

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wheth·erConjunction/?(h)weT?H?r/
1. Expressing a doubt or choice between alternatives: "he seemed undecided whether to go or stay".
2. Expressing an inquiry or investigation (often used in indirect questions): "I'll see whether she's at home"

is SPELT....""whether'' NOT 'weather' the differences are Much Greater, than a "nook ore cranny" which ARE similar, as an example...UTSE...learn a little

But I am still Grateful for this place,
a long time ago I started a thread called "Dumb Questions?" but after a few people (mainly a stray or two that "wandered into a conversation" which HAD STARTED as an (IMO) "Interesting, and Genuine question", got derailed by some people taking the piss out of it, and turning it into "some kind of joke"
Of course it floundered and died in the den...C'est la vie...but I've seen other potentially Very Interesting threads go EXACTLY the "same way" This was IMO, and, in retrospect, basically "moderation errors", which were not resolved "soon enough"
I.e. They 'allowed it' but hey it WAS in the den, which is promised to be 'Moderared lightly' but hey,,they KNEW what the thead entailed. Some even Posted in it...however I suppose they've gotta sleep too

, and cant stop "strangers" who pop in when no one is home, and write on your wall with a BIG Marking pen..........UNTIL they wake up and see it, and get the thread "Back on Track", and BY EXAMPLE, N1 was Very Good with Newbies, And gave HEAPS to this forum....

The question I HAD asked, was, to Vesp primarily, but at that stage I didnt even know enough about these 'forums' to Know ""who did what? and when where and how? like....
I Had Never even seen the acronym UTSFE until I started cruisin around SM
SO, I WAS VERY MUCH a NEWBIE in More ways than one, However

MY Question was "Why DID you start this site?" coz there WAS for those, Lugh, as

you suggest,put in the effort,which is cool, IMHO,,,,BUT....the data can be "sourced

elsewhere" , and several answers "summed it up" somewhat succinctly" IIRC it was

Enkidu, who said something like "here we can use the word "Drug" and Not get

flamed by the mods", as WELL as, something about freedom to make errors , again

without getting trashed by the mods,who were having a bad day/fortnight??" I

dunno, I wasnt there....but I HAVE tried to maintain a 'fairly ok"level of participation in

this site, and I have been thanked by another member for something I was able to

help with More than Once....but its going sour, with all these new "say it with a

Reference, OR Dont say it at all!!!" WHOA!!!

How can this place REALLY GO PLACES with its members focused on trying to
start"thinking outside the box", And THEN by sticking to the Once Dear And Clear "OTC Preferably/especially" "Preference" this site seemed to express, and which was what attracted me..
But,, if you Hardcore Chemistry nuts are wanting to turn this into another SM,or, or, or?! WHY???

I can fully understand 'wanting to maintain some level of Quality' however I think somehow its gone to far....but thats just MY Opinion...No more,,No less...

I am sad to say this site has lost some of its "Joie de Vivre" due to some members leaving or just not showing much interest. Why?

buzzin along,just trying to share some CONstructive Critique, with the clan!

Hyppy,, still wondering whats happened to his why his access to sending a pm has been Revoked!!! without ANY form of notification....Hmmmmm? Again "why?"

I'm confused with all the shenannigans

Love and Happy Dreamz

Hypnos

Ps.I Told you, reDEEMed, after trying to answer your Q it Would keep me up till morning!!!its 630am and daylight...bastard

sweet dreamssssssssssssssssssssss ll I'm going to bed

killntime · « **Reply #44 on:** November 29, 2012, 08:34:21 AM »

Hi guys does any body have a working link to the youtopia arcHIVE??
I tried to register at youtopia.ws but am unable to using tor.
Apparently the later version is now available, has anybee tried any version of this arcHIVE?

aniracetam · « **Reply #45 on:** December 03, 2012, 05:31:09 PM »

good chemists are still around, they just don't post much.
the hive had mostly wannabees, and egomaniacs.

there exists a massive chemistry torrent, which was hosted on synthetikal. I dl'd it, and hosted it on another ftp site in NL. it's also available on TPB

aniracetam · « **Reply #46 on:** December 03, 2012, 06:05:49 PM »

it was whatever was archived on the hive, and also synthetikal's forum files (v.1...there were two 'versions' of the synthetikal forums)

zgoat65 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 04, 2012, 03:37:33 AM »

I tried to.download it, and had trouble reading due to the fact that it is an .iso file, but there is a synthetikal archive available for download at pnaut. If anyone more computer literate than myself can get it to work, i'd love to know how, lol. Just thought i'd throw that in since i saw it today, and y'all made me think of it. I'd really like to have the synthetikal archives.

aniracetam · « **Reply #48 on:** December 04, 2012, 04:21:55 AM »

you need an ISO-mounting software. ISO is a cd/dvd image format.
with an aformentioned prog, you can browse and extract files.

magiciso is a common prog for windows, acetoneiso for linux.

Wizard X · « **Reply #49 on:** December 04, 2012, 10:11:55 PM »

Quote from: zgoat65 on December 04, 2012, 03:37:33 AM

I tried to.download it, and had trouble reading due to the fact that it is an .iso file, but there is a synthetikal archive available for download at pnaut. If anyone more computer literate than myself can get it to work, i'd love to know how, lol. Just thought i'd throw that in since i saw it today, and y'all made me think of it. I'd really like to have the synthetikal archives.

What Aniracetam has advised, or burn the ISO to a DVD to retain a hard copy.

Freeware ISO programs. http://www.snapfiles.com/downloadfind.php?st=iso&action=s&ref=1&search=Find+it&lc=1

killntime · « **Reply #50 on:** December 09, 2012, 06:50:36 AM »

The Lone Stranger
The connections were blacklisted like so many are when using tor. Been having the same troubles at times at the collective.
At pnaut there is a thread advertising the youtopia ark being at youtopia.ws which i took hook and all

I have downloaded thru your links above and about to test drive
Do you have an updated ark available?
Thank you to you and your friend for taking the time to assemble this info.

zgoat65 · « **Reply #51 on:** December 19, 2012, 02:22:33 AM »

Thanks Aniracetam and WizX! It worked. I used IMGBurn to write the iso to a disk. Thanks fer the advise!

shroombie · « **Reply #52 on:** January 20, 2013, 12:55:37 AM »

howdy

it appears to me all the links are currently invalid... kind of a problem for distributing what sounds like a beautiful piece of work to me. i would love to see this "Ark" of knowledge if anyone could help me attain it? as fun as it is to piece together different synths from different websites

Delysid · « **Reply #53 on:** February 11, 2013, 09:59:56 PM »

I would also love to see this wonderful Ark. Can someone please re upload it? I joined youtopia and looked all over to no avail.

Sedit · « **Reply #54 on:** February 26, 2013, 08:31:03 PM »

No, not until there is a mal-ware free version kicking around in cyber space I don't want it here.... Nice try though.

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