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Dr. Tox

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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2011, 05:42:40 PM »
irc.lycaeum.org.

As I recall, you can connect with pidgin and use the OTR plugin to chat directly. Can we group like that? Can we use FiSH to group chat securely?

Can't we group with privytalk or coolfish or something like that where we can just invite each other?

Problem being, you're in Bulgaria, most of us are in the US or related time zones. The 12 hr diff makes this somewhat problematic in a practical sense.

I know that we used to group crypto over google talk with some program or other .... been too long and too many brain cells ago...   :D

As far as the usual IRC clients go, I tend to prefer Xchat to mIRC etc.
http://xchat.org/download/

Here's a tut on crypting IRC, http://daemonkeeper.net/65/fish-verschluesselt-ins-irc/

It's in German but you can easily translate with Chrome browser etc.
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2011, 09:12:27 PM »
i can log on whenever you say, i have pretty erratic sleep habits. :)

and no, there's no option for group chat with OTR still.

substitute irc.lycaeum with irc.bluesphereweb.com
shall we say #vespiary and take it from there?

i just finished reading on how to implement tor as a hidden server on your web server.
im not very good with web design or web programming and honestly hate it (unless we're talking data scraping scripts and such).
i have limited experience with setting up webshops (oscommerce, and this doesn't fit in our scenario, would be best to write one from scratch, or at least on the basis of an available open source platform).
now, i have a buddy who has been in the field of information security for more than a decade, working as a senior sec consultant for verizon who would be more than happy to get involved also.
but despite his coding abilities, he's somewhat of an alcoholic with the same aversion for web development, so i guess we need to get someone to write this, eh? lol.

it is a lot of work, really.
but i rrreeeeAAALLY wish we can make this work.

i'm willing to work it out building on a pre-existing platform, but write it from scratch, fuck that.
also, idk php.
but let's also say i know php 'wizards' willing to contribute to the cause.
if necessary.

as far as the bitcoin system goes, i have not a clue how the transactions actually work there.
i assume you guys have this in mind, right?
we ain't gonna use fuckin paypay, are we?

well shit, what are your ideas about the mechanics of the whole thing?
lay out yr ideas.

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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2011, 09:46:55 PM »
Honestly I like forums since they preserve info longer for future generations... what benefit does IRC offer? Why not just this site?


And yes I was thinking Bitcoin would be used on these sites by the people running them.


Additionally I'd hope more for this to be a step by step instruction, or something people can download as an .ISO and be able to set it up easily -- I want to bring a tor server to the masses, if that makes sense?

Eventually turn it into a real full blown Open Source Project.
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2011, 11:08:15 PM »
I have been geeking out HARDER on debian encrypted drives than I have the chemistry that got me paranoid to do so ; )

Wizard X would appear to be the guru on hand for best consultation.

Who else surfs tor2web links and tries to get at the road of silk? It's usually crap on my side...when one does get thru, its cuts off when mid stream.

I am a newbee, so maybee I am humping a doorknob, but an open anonymous market would flourish with appropriate spedd and relatively reliable access.  A bitcoin or two per trans would make the drivers a nice egg.
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2011, 11:15:45 PM »
a tor web server is easy to setup by itself.
tricky part is making/integrating/figuring out the marketing/payment system.

but okay, fuggit.
let's say we got that figured too.
bulgaria is EU.
despite all measures, wouldn't it be better to have the server some place outside both EU and US jurisdiction, say - good ol russia?

i might be able to pull some strings...
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2011, 11:29:10 PM »
At the moment I rather busy, however, WILL CONTRIBUTE MORE when XMAS/New Years holidays come? Around 20th Dec??
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2011, 11:43:26 PM »
How is the marketing system the difficult part? It essentially doesn't even need to be integrated... People can just post the Bitcoin address?


My goal/dream is to try and get the tor server easy enough and securly enough that everybody in the world can set up their own little drug and weapon trade online -- so there are tons of servers - not just one located somewhere safe. :)

A modified Magento cart ought to make it possible anyways; they have a bitcoin add on.
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2011, 11:44:07 PM »
I don't think it's the setup that is hard.
Russia would be nice if its reasonably accessible.

But tor in general isn't reliably accessible unless I am missing something.

so, anonymous and accessible = success (most likely lucrative)

we await your accessibility wizard. I will hound on the 20th ; )
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2011, 11:58:57 PM »
Why wouldn't it be reliabily accessible?

It seems to always work fine for me.. Perhaps your computer isn't set up properly?
Consider making a Live disc of TAILS. http://tails.boum.org/

It makes Tor easy to use and probably more reliable than other options IMO
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2011, 12:06:47 AM »
Our tests of the latency in running a TOR hidden service network were rather promising  ;)  The primary hold up in using TOR to access the world wide web is at the exit nodes since there are less of them than relays :P  Hidden services generally run faster than conventional world wide web sites  8)
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2011, 12:46:34 AM »
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2011, 03:48:57 AM »
Bitcoins can be bought at MT. Gox IIRC, despite what your currency is and should be totally separate from the tor server.

Kind of like how paypal CAN be separate....

Fuck Magento though. Even if it does have a bitcoin add on. Magento sucks.
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2011, 04:07:24 AM »
@Magento comment... Compared to what? They all suck... zencart, OSCommerce, etc...

But yeah, I was just saying they have an option and that Add-on could probably be modified if need be - but I don't think it is needed...
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2011, 11:13:00 AM »
Oh wow, did they vastly improve the product over the last year or two? It presently seems to be outperforming even zeus, which I was using. Now I'm wondering what it was that rubbed me the wrong way...

God I hate zen...  Hmm, I'm off topic though...
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2011, 12:39:14 PM »
Quote from: Vesp on November 27, 2011, 11:58:57 PM
Why wouldn't it be reliabily accessible?

It seems to always work fine for me.. Perhaps your computer isn't set up properly?
Consider making a Live disc of TAILS. http://tails.boum.org/

It makes Tor easy to use and probably more reliable than other options IMO

I am using torbutton for iceweasel going through polipo (on an encrypted debian vbox). I have tried the to bundle and get the same. Your route above is definitely the safest/leaves the least "tracks"
most tor2web links timeout most of the time, kind of a bummer. Can the timeout period be manually extended?
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2011, 01:03:58 AM »
This Friday, I've got a free day (hopefully?) so...

(1) Look at nigluhS TOR issue?

(2) Install Tails 0.9 to a USB stick. Installing onto a USB stick http://tails.boum.org/doc/installing_onto_a_usb_stick/linux/index.en.html
(2a) Install the latest LAMP. LAMP is the combination of Linux + Apache + MySQL + PHP. http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/lamp/
(2b) Test everything?!?
(2c) Create an ISO file of the Tails 0.9 + LAMP USB stick.

A USB stick format is required for read/write, so content like .HTML, .PHP, etc can be added and edited/modified when necessary, Apache config changes, etc.
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2011, 01:15:02 AM »
Wait, are you saying you are going to combine the Tails 0.9 into a LAMP server?
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2011, 01:17:24 AM »
Quote from: Vesp on November 29, 2011, 01:15:02 AM
Wait, are you saying you are going to combine the Tails 0.9 into a LAMP server?

YES! If all goes well and time permits?
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2011, 01:30:30 AM »
One can network these servers within TOR using Onioncat  8)
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Re: I want a Tor Server...
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2011, 01:55:01 AM »
I guess that works. :) I was thinking just to build everything from scratch and not have much of a GUI, but you probably know more about it, and it will probably make work easier anyways.
Just wanted to be clear and make sure I understand everything.


http://www.cypherpunk.at/onioncat/

OnionCat sounds useful and probably a good thing to implement..

" Why should you use OnionCat?

It allows users to anonymously access Internet services. Its architecture guarantees that the real IP of users cannot be revealed in any way.

Tor also provides so-called Hidden Services. Those are services which are hidden within the Tor network. This means that not only the user

stays anonymous but also the service (destination). Hidden services have several benefits but unfortunately they are not very user-friendly

and they have some protocol restrictions. OnionCat manages to build a complete IP transparent VPN based on those hidden services, provides

a simple well-known interface and has the potential to create an anonymous global network which could evolve to a feature- and information-rich

network like we know the plain Internet today."

Though, I guess other services already might offer what it offers?
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