The truth being that it was allowed to happen, government stood to the side. or "the truth" that the three letter agencies planted explosives and created an event to start a war?
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well you know most folks tend to believe whatever the media tells them.
the truth that the mossad and the cia wired up the trade centers with nano thermite to sell us illegal wars and poice state measures yeah.
the truth that the mossad and the cia wired up the trade centers with nano thermite to sell us illegal wars and poice state measures yeah.
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that border fence, what about the 30,000 drones the FAA is making room for?
this is going to be worse than Stalin's Russia.
It's already worse. It's hard to believe that with a military budget around 10% of GDP, that they don't have one spy for every ten Americans. The East German secret police - the Stasi - had one spy for every sixty citizens.
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don't worry that MQ4 reaper is for your protection, traffic control.
It's just there to observe weather patterns. Don't you want a more accurate forecast? Over the next couple hours we'll see light rain and a hail of hellfire missiles... best to stay inside today.
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they are always looking out for our best interest and our safety ; )
what would our dumb asses do without the smart rich people keeping tabs?
Blow them away, probably. No other reason for them to have such huge arsenals of weapons. The state exists solely to suppress conflicts between social classes and the repressed conflict in the US is very intense, one of the most so in the world. In the absence of the military, and domestic police, there would be a mass uprising tomorrow.
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snuggly the security bear i'm suprized how many people still believe the official version of 9/11.
i think it's that people don/t want to accept the truth they can't handle the truth.
A lot more people seem to be privy to these facts today, at least. Though still not nearly enough. The US was planning for the war, coordinating allies and mobilizing troops in July-August of 2001. They wouldn't spend billions doing that if they didn't have something thought through. Chances are they had some idiot Mossad/Al Qaeda types do it as straw men... why send in your own men who can get you caught when you can help some maniacs from the Middle East do it, and do so so covertly that even they don't realize they're simply pawns in a CIA plot?
Best to get out of the US while you still can. Or else your tortured body might end up heaped with the trash.
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snuggly the security bear i'm suprized how many people still believe the official version of 9/11.
i think it's that people don/t want to accept the truth they can't handle the truth.
yeah, as you pointed out, this explains it as well as anything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias
or more applicably
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Swan_Theory
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well you know most folks tend to believe whatever the media tells them.
the truth that the mossad and the cia wired up the trade centers with nano thermite to sell us illegal wars and poice state measures yeah.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
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Blow them away, probably. No other reason for them to have such huge arsenals of weapons. The state exists solely to suppress conflicts between social classes and the repressed conflict in the US is very intense, one of the most so in the world. In the absence of the military, and domestic police, there would be a mass uprising tomorrow.
you know that's a good analysis.
in lucifer's lexicon is says the sole function of the state is to assist the rich in despoiling the poor.
i notice in the greek riots the police don't use deadly overbearing force to supress the rioters.
if we had riots like this in the united states the national gaurd would be out gunning people down.
if it gets that bad, luckily we are still armed, and can shoot back.
if they ever disarm us, it's over.
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great links nighluS, very relevant, esp the Black Swan Theory
Its sadly SO "correct" personally I dont consider it a 'theory' at all
Have a look at "Silent weapons for quiet wars" in the den, its nothing new NOW its worked SO well since the 'ideas' implementation
That the idea HAS been implemented, is obvious and evident, and its TOO LATE to DO much, if you havent already
Black Swan reality, used to the 'Elites' advantage
Overall, people are such dumb fucks!
an example,,this is part of "Silent weapons for quiet wars" the link is in the den in the thread of the same name...
Its sadly SO "correct" personally I dont consider it a 'theory' at all
Have a look at "Silent weapons for quiet wars" in the den, its nothing new NOW its worked SO well since the 'ideas' implementation
That the idea HAS been implemented, is obvious and evident, and its TOO LATE to DO much, if you havent already
Black Swan reality, used to the 'Elites' advantage
Overall, people are such dumb fucks!
an example,,this is part of "Silent weapons for quiet wars" the link is in the den in the thread of the same name...
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System Analysis
In order to make meaningful computerized economic decisions about war, the primary economic flywheel, it is necessary to assign concrete logistical values to each element of the war structure - personnel and material alike.
This process begins with a clear and candid description of the subsystems of such a structure.
The Draft (As military service)
Few efforts of human behavior modification are more remarkable or more effective than that of the socio-military institution known as the draft. A primary purpose of a draft or other such institution is to instill, by intimidation, in the young males of a society the uncritical conviction that the government is omnipotent. He is soon taught that a prayer is slow to reverse what a bullet can do in an instant. Thus, a man trained in a religious environment for eighteen years of his life can, by this instrument of the government, be broken down, be purged of his fantasies and delusions in a matter of mere months. Once that conviction is instilled, all else becomes easy to instill.
Even more interesting is the process by which a young man's parents, who purportedly love him, can be induced to send him off to war to his death. Although the scope of this work will not allow this matter to be expanded in full detail, nevertheless, a coarse overview will be possible and can serve to reveal those factors which must be included in some numerical form in a computer analysis of social and war systems.
We begin with a tentative definition of the draft. The draft (selective service, etc.) is an institution of compulsory collective sacrifice and slavery, devised by the middle-aged and elderly for the purpose of pressing the young into doing the public dirty work. It further serves to make the youth as guilty as the elders, thus making criticism of the elders by the youth less likely (Generational Stabilizer). It is marketed and sold to the public under the label of "patriotic = national" service.
Once a candid economic definition of the draft is achieved, that definition is used to outline the boundaries of a structure called a Human Value System, which in turn is translated into the terms of game theory. The value of such a slave laborer is given in a Table of Human Values, a table broken down into categories by intellect, experience, post-service job demand, etc.
Some of these categories are ordinary and can be tentatively evaluated in terms of the value of certain jobs for which a known fee exists. Some jobs are harder to value because they are unique to the demands of social subversion, for an extreme example: the value of a mother's instruction to her daughter, causing that daughter to put certain behavioral demands upon a future husband ten or fifteen years hence; thus, by suppressing his resistance to a perversion of a government, making it easier for a banking cartel to buy the State of New York in, say, twenty years.
Such a problem leans heavily upon the observations and data of wartime espionage and many types of psychological testing. But crude mathematical models (algorithms, etc.) can be devised, if not to predict, at least to predeterminate these events with maximum certainty. What does not exist by natural cooperation is thus enhanced by calculated compulsion. Human beings are machines, levers which may be grasped and turned, and there is little real difference between automating a society and automating a shoe factory. [/quote
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AND.....a bit from the middle..
Summary
Economics is only a social extension of a natural energy system. It, also, has its three passive components. Because of the distribution of wealth and the lack of communication and lack of data, this field has been the last energy field for which a knowledge of these three passive components has been developed.
Since energy is the key to all activity on the face of the earth, it follows that in order to attain a monopoly of energy, raw materials, goods, and services and to establixh a world system of slave labor, it is necessary to have a first strike capability in the field of economics. In order to maintain our position, it is necessary that we have absolute first knowledge of the science of control over all economic factors and the first experience at engineering the world economy.
In order to achieve such sovereignty, we must at least achieve this one end: that the public will not make either the logical or mathematical connection between economics and the other energy sciences or learn to apply such knowledge.
This is becoming increasingly difficult to control because more and more businesses are making demands upon their computer programmers to create and apply mathematical models for the management of those businesses.
It is only a matter of time before the new breed of private programmer/economists will catch on to the far reaching implications of the work begun at Harvard in 1948. The speed with which they can communicate their warning to the public will largely depend upon how effective we have been at controlling the media, subverting education, and keeping the public distracted with matters of no real importance.
Apparently this was written in 1954 .... from what I can gather, the Internet was NOT anticipated, and is causing major problems re: controlling data/knowledge

Hence why there is SO much effort at getting "control" over it via various methods
No wonder proxies are fuckin with there heads, they CANT control them OR the 'way' the interwebz work
thank fuck!
Summary
Economics is only a social extension of a natural energy system. It, also, has its three passive components. Because of the distribution of wealth and the lack of communication and lack of data, this field has been the last energy field for which a knowledge of these three passive components has been developed.
Since energy is the key to all activity on the face of the earth, it follows that in order to attain a monopoly of energy, raw materials, goods, and services and to establixh a world system of slave labor, it is necessary to have a first strike capability in the field of economics. In order to maintain our position, it is necessary that we have absolute first knowledge of the science of control over all economic factors and the first experience at engineering the world economy.
In order to achieve such sovereignty, we must at least achieve this one end: that the public will not make either the logical or mathematical connection between economics and the other energy sciences or learn to apply such knowledge.
This is becoming increasingly difficult to control because more and more businesses are making demands upon their computer programmers to create and apply mathematical models for the management of those businesses.
It is only a matter of time before the new breed of private programmer/economists will catch on to the far reaching implications of the work begun at Harvard in 1948. The speed with which they can communicate their warning to the public will largely depend upon how effective we have been at controlling the media, subverting education, and keeping the public distracted with matters of no real importance.
Apparently this was written in 1954 .... from what I can gather, the Internet was NOT anticipated, and is causing major problems re: controlling data/knowledge

Hence why there is SO much effort at getting "control" over it via various methods
No wonder proxies are fuckin with there heads, they CANT control them OR the 'way' the interwebz work
thank fuck!

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I really hope TOR + Bitcoins become more popular.
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I really hope TOR + Bitcoins become more popular.
it may be a bit late
especially when in the states one can no be considered a terrorist for using proxies 
and from the sounds of things, the same could be construed from using bitcoin
the question IS "what to DO?"
fuck this shit, its REALLY pissing me off ... I dont even feel 'safe' using proxies and everything else

In the past 2 years, things have gotten to the point I'm too scared (paranoid? I dont think so!) to even post 'real' stuff here, as it may come back to bite me on the bum

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it may be a bit lateWell they would say that wouldn't they? Using fear to control people is not a new tactic. If you harbour any fear for your government (or anything for that matter) you give them power.especially when in the states one can no be considered a terrorist for using proxies
If you got some time here's a great documentary on the use of fear to gain political power, it's 3 volumes though and each volume is split into 6x10 minute parts:
The Power of Nightmares Volume 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ
http://youtu.be/Vt-FyuuWlWQ
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I think its time you guys, and CERTAINLY like minded brits, of that inclination, learn about drones. Drone technology on the surface has to have much in common with model aircraft flying hobbies.
And there are always other things to be learned about, technology wise.
Some being gauss weapons, or for armor penetration, higher velocity rail-weapons, with hardened steel...or before samples of elemental 238U get banned completely....staballoy rounds. Using machineable parts out of metal stock, plastic barelled smoothbore coil weapons for close up personal protection.. leaving no ballistics markings One should think...teflon bore, teflon coated slug...
Other such technology...explosively pumped magnetic flux compression generators let off at low altitude against targets of high intel value/against communications devices, obviously, force in any street clash, the enemy to be exposed to their own riot agents by deploying similiar.
Plenty of them are going to be hardened....the reaper drone is quite impressive in its stealth and countermeasures technology. And not least in terms of sureillance. Wiki states that some of the earlier reapers, the drone UAVs which superseded the earlier Predator, could read a car number plate at a distance of 3 miles, from high altitude.
And outfitted with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-39_Small_Diameter_Bomb and DIME type warheads, those would be PERFECT for targeted precicion strikes, with high lethality (and not to mention little possibility of treatable wound patterns in survivors of a DIME attack.
(think high density metal powder such as W, or W/nickel alloys, embedded in an explosive charge. The density of the metal, or metal oxide etc powder both constrains the blast radius, and acts like a nailbomb, sending a dust cloud out at extremely high velocities) Limiting OTHER civillians killed, whilst ensuring a high probability of killing the intended target(s), and permanently maiming those within a slightly larger distance)
If those federal scum haven't already developed crowd killing weapons of this nature
And specifically, the ability to use drone aircraft to target individuals in built up urban areas for killing, Toady would be surprised,
Such as its use of birefringent crystal Pockel's cells, to bend EM frequencies
And there are always other things to be learned about, technology wise.
Some being gauss weapons, or for armor penetration, higher velocity rail-weapons, with hardened steel...or before samples of elemental 238U get banned completely....staballoy rounds. Using machineable parts out of metal stock, plastic barelled smoothbore coil weapons for close up personal protection.. leaving no ballistics markings One should think...teflon bore, teflon coated slug...
Other such technology...explosively pumped magnetic flux compression generators let off at low altitude against targets of high intel value/against communications devices, obviously, force in any street clash, the enemy to be exposed to their own riot agents by deploying similiar.
Plenty of them are going to be hardened....the reaper drone is quite impressive in its stealth and countermeasures technology. And not least in terms of sureillance. Wiki states that some of the earlier reapers, the drone UAVs which superseded the earlier Predator, could read a car number plate at a distance of 3 miles, from high altitude.
And outfitted with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-39_Small_Diameter_Bomb and DIME type warheads, those would be PERFECT for targeted precicion strikes, with high lethality (and not to mention little possibility of treatable wound patterns in survivors of a DIME attack.
(think high density metal powder such as W, or W/nickel alloys, embedded in an explosive charge. The density of the metal, or metal oxide etc powder both constrains the blast radius, and acts like a nailbomb, sending a dust cloud out at extremely high velocities) Limiting OTHER civillians killed, whilst ensuring a high probability of killing the intended target(s), and permanently maiming those within a slightly larger distance)
If those federal scum haven't already developed crowd killing weapons of this nature
And specifically, the ability to use drone aircraft to target individuals in built up urban areas for killing, Toady would be surprised,
Such as its use of birefringent crystal Pockel's cells, to bend EM frequencies
