I would think you could find this product on the coast where there are surfers and boating enthusiasts. There's a fiberglass store a few hours from us that sells styrene and bulk solvents along with fiberglass fabric etc.
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Or perhaps order the polymerised compound? Poly(AMS) should be easily depolymerised from what I read on it.
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I would think you could find this product on the coast where there are surfers and boating enthusiasts. There's a fiberglass store a few hours from us that sells styrene and bulk solvents along with fiberglass fabric etc.
You make a good point. There are a lot of both surfers and boating enthusiasts where SWIM lives. I will see if he will go check out some shops that cater to boats and fiberglass, and get some actual facts on this. Will get back to y'all soon with results.
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What's up with this swimming now zgoat? Have the rules changed?
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no we were discusing isopropyl benzene not plain old styrene.
it would seem easy to get but you either have to have an account with a big chemical company that wants a business account, dunn and bradstreet number, federal tax id and a whole lot of details to make sure you are'nt just a fiining cabinet and a fax machine.
a lot of hassle you have to file articles of incorporation you get my drift the other route is to buy overseas but then your'e dealing with minimum orders of a metric ton and customs brokers and that can get very expensive
it would seem easy to get but you either have to have an account with a big chemical company that wants a business account, dunn and bradstreet number, federal tax id and a whole lot of details to make sure you are'nt just a fiining cabinet and a fax machine.
a lot of hassle you have to file articles of incorporation you get my drift the other route is to buy overseas but then your'e dealing with minimum orders of a metric ton and customs brokers and that can get very expensive
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What's up with this swimming now zgoat? Have the rules changed?
Sorry bout that. old habits die hard. I'll try to remember where I am next time. No offense intended, just a momentary slip of the mind.
And to back up what jon said, I checked into boating repair, fiberglass repair, and suppliers for both, and the only thing they got in the quantities that were spoken of (gallons and 5 gallon drums) it is just plain old styrene. AMS requires.........well, jon already explained it perfectly. A lot is required, or a multi ton international shipment. Either way, a lot is required.
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This may be a stupid question, but what is alpha methyl styrene good for? I could easily see beta methyl styrene being used as a P2P precursor, but I don't see what ams would do?
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If you can see the use in beta methyl styrene, also known as propenylbenzene , as a precursor for phenyl-2-propanone, then how can you not see the use for alpha methyl styrene, otherwise called isopropenylbenzene?
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zgoat65: It isn't simple.
http://its.goofyti.me/u/http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/2-phenylpropanal.html
See cuminaldehyde:
http://its.goofyti.me/u/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuminaldehyde
http://its.goofyti.me/u/http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/2-phenylpropanal.html
See cuminaldehyde:
http://its.goofyti.me/u/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuminaldehyde
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This may be a stupid question, but what is alpha methyl styrene good for? I could easily see beta methyl styrene being used as a P2P precursor, but I don't see what ams would do?
2-phenylpropanal and P2P from Alpha-Methylstyrene
118g alpha-Methylstyrene was added to a mixture of 160g of bromine and 1200ml 15% H2SO4, and the mixture was heated at 80°C for 8h. The mixture was cooled to room temperature and the organic layer separated, and the aqueous layer extracted with benzene. The extracts and organic layer was mixed and dried over Na2SO4. The benzene was evaporated under vacuo, and the residue was vacuum distilled, and the fraction boiling at 75-85°C/8mmHg weighed 75g and was purified via its bisulfite adduct to give a product mixture boiling at 78-81°C/4 mmHg in 57% yield, consisting of 48.5% 2-phenylpropanal and 51.5% phenyl-2-propanone.
......source,
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/2-phenylpropanal.html
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it's good for this
and you won't find cumene hydroperoxide as a single entity product it's used as a curing agent (polymerization accclerator)
for certain fiberglass compositions.
and you won't find cumene hydroperoxide as a single entity product it's used as a curing agent (polymerization accclerator)
for certain fiberglass compositions.
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Cumene hydroperoxide is a relatively stable organic peroxide. This oxidizing agent is commercially available with a purity of ~80%. A 0.2 M solution in benzene has a half-life of 29 hours at 145°C. The decomposition products of cumene hydroperoxide are methylstyrene, acetophenone, and cumyl alcohol. Pure cumene hydroperoxide can be stored at room temperature, but the potential for an uncontrolled reaction and explosion is high.
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This is a good thread. Good work jon. It's worth mentioning that cumyl alcohol can be made from addition of phenylmagnesium bromide to acetone. Dehydration to AMS, epoxidation with TCCA, H2SO4 forces the rearrangement affording P2P.
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Try cymene, Chromyl chloride oxidation will give the aldehyde from all reports, rearrangement would give p-methyl-p2p, giving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Methylamphetamine or the p,N-dimethylamphetamine (which is a desoxy variant of Mephedrone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone). Always wondered how well that rearrangement would work, simply because of the existence of dimethoxydihydrothymoquinone - which would be a couple of steps from DOM/STP
