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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2012, 05:50:00 PM »
seems the wild poppys here are pretty good shit. i collected a mixture out of ornamental and wild variety poppys, ie filled red and  white ornamental flowers, and wild violet ones owning only 4 flower leaflets.
guess what? im on homebake heroine right now and its pretty good shit!

This has been a dream of mine for many years but the problem has been acetic anhydride and me being lazy(or busy doing amphetamine more to the point). Now that im here though things are gonna happen next summer.
Was it made about the same way like the afghani farmers in the pdf above?
How small in scale can one go that way acetic-anhydride-wise or otherwise? is there a threshold where it gets problematic?
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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2012, 06:54:09 PM »
hey... ive done it in a very very small scale using less than 5ml acetanhydride for a half gramm of morphine, but a friend of mine has done it before on a even smaller scale, i guess roughly an eighth gram?
but i wasnt there so its just estimated.
acetanhydride is a great problem of course, we are very lucky to use bought ones.
but another friend of mine is just about now in a hydromorphone project, if you have already harvested enough morphine its probably easier if you make some hydromorphone out of it if you consider palladiums better avability?
oh, and dont expect that you can save some acetanhydride if you use just as much as needed... you need it in excess to ensure complete di-acetylation.
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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2012, 08:10:09 PM »
Ok that sounds great, but thats from morphine not the base?. I was thinking more like all the way back from raw opium but thats maybe no real difference scalewise?
There are good threads here about synthezising acetic anhydride so im gonna do a lot of reading, on a lot of things and hydromorphone sounds very interesting also because palladium is no problem.
I´ve read about having to use an excess of acetic anhydride and that was one of the problems i was fishing for.


And sorry for hogging the thread to the creator but i hope it falls under the subject allthough i bet its covered elsewhere.
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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2012, 11:00:42 PM »
i always used a buttload i noticed a dash of sodium acetate kicks that reaction into high gear like it's done in an hour or less.
10-1 is what i used

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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2012, 08:00:55 PM »
Any good solvent for morphine free base recrystalization???

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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2012, 12:02:03 AM »
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Any good solvent for morphine free base recrystalization???

According to the Merck Index, which is freely downloadable from:

h**p://en.bookfi.org/s/?q=Merck+Index&e=1&t=0

the monohydrate is usually recrystallized from methanol  8)
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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2012, 04:25:11 AM »
Thanks Lugh!!!
But i´m looking for something no polar.

This night i saw one white cat playing the afgan´s game.
10 grams around of brown solid stuff cropped scratching fresh poppies, was disolved in hot water under stirring and filtered.
The white gum was extracted again, And the pooled extract was basified with calcium oxide untill PH12. After cool, it was vaccum filtered two times through paper filter, and filtered through activated charcoal filters two times again.
Then the Ph was raise to 9.1 with ammonium chloride (from hexamine/HCl...) and let stand until the precipitate was on the bottom. After that it was filtered and washed with a little of water.
The grey wet sludge was dissolved (with some difficulties) in Boiling IPA, filtered and cooled in the freezer.
After one hour the impatient cat, drain off the liquor to other glass and it was in the freezer again, and the crystals was dryed with warm air.
It was a more white than gray crystaline stuff. At this point the cat was very happy. But it not was for a long time.
After melt the powder on a foil, it saw than don´t melt completly. The product is strong enough but something like a salt  don´t allows  it run well on the foil.
The cat then mix it with a little of meth, but the stuff still not running on the foil (BTW this mix Meth/Morphine stuff is very interesting).
Looks like something like Calcium Chloride had end in the product.
The cat hopes than hexane will disolves the free base leaving the fu.... salt.

This fact was embarrasing for it, because this kitty on a lucky strike in the past, gotten a very clean Morph, just adding ammonia to the disolved opium. It was like a dream. After basification and filtration the sludge was in the botton of the coffe filter, and the crystaline stuff was trapped by the filter walls.
And now  this "very clean" Morph  don´t melt in the propper way.

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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2012, 01:31:21 PM »
Yep!!!
After sleep, the answer was easy. A simply water wash and the Morph melts right and runs good on the aluminium foil. 8)
And definitely the mix Meth/Morph 2/1. Is just Delicious.  ;D

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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2012, 01:44:06 PM »
Look this, in the djvu file page 30
The chemists are a strange class of mortals, impelled by an almost insane impulse to seek their pleasures amid smoke and vapour, soot and flame, poisons and poverty; yet among all these evils I seem to live so sweetly that may I die if I were to change places with the Persian king.
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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2012, 01:52:15 PM »
morphine is soluble in aromatics not petro ether i see a lot of fuck ups on workups.
that's always the toughest part.

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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2012, 03:11:54 PM »
yous guys need to read my old write ups if your even dreaming about pods i gots real world hands on experience and i know pods have to be 1st extracted w water then the ph has to be lowered then the temp has to be kept below 80 with a fan on a double boiler and a bowl preferebly metal so it conducts heat.
all this shit is hands on work not armchair guestimation.
anyways then you got pod putty the only thing that works is hot ipa.
and it don't matter if it's 70%
then you got your opium then see how little you got to work with you end up making tar and saying fuck all that shit i aint got tons to process.

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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2012, 03:11:19 PM »
Hi jon or anybee who knows...

Instead of using acetic anhydride when going to heroin base one could use acetyl chloride or propionic acid. But my question is:
What is there to gain by using acetic anhydride? or is it just a matter of volume/price?
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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2012, 10:11:57 PM »
esterification is about an equilibrium, when using an acid directly it has to be catalysed with for example a few drops sulfuric acid, and the formed ester has to be removed as soon as it has formed in order to drive the reaction to completion.
if using an acid chloride, it has to be base catalyzed to get it to reaction at all.
and if your about to use an anhydride, than both cases are unlikely, as an anhydride does react readily complete because there isnt water forming in the reaction at all.
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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2012, 12:25:55 PM »
Toad God ...... i copyed that fertilizer info and tried to beam it over to you as a PDF . Did you get it ?

Here it is again ---- >

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Re: poppies processing
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2012, 06:59:13 AM »
Thanks, TLS, help youself to some honey.

This should make for some interesting reading just before he heads to bed with some oxy in his veins :D
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