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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2010, 11:35:43 AM »
1) Buyer and seller agree.
2) Buyer mail a prepaid credit card to a address.
3) Seller learn the card for the money.
4) Seller mail out from fake address to Buyer.
5) Seller never use address the same again every time.
6) Buyer get what he pay for.

This is not new to Russia and Belarus. You can buy anything in Belarus.

TOR make it safer. Use Https/SSL or it is not safe to use TOR.
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2010, 12:21:14 PM »
The safety issues with Tor mostly center around using it to access the outside internet.  When you use the hidden services capability, you are already going through several layers of strong encyption, making ssl on the server pointless.

The real threats are potential vulnerabilities in the server software that could be leveraged to expose the location of the host or a concerned government entity flooding the Tor network with routing nodes in an attempt to capture a large enough portion of the traffic routing information to make traffic analysis possible (which I'm somewhat surprised doesn't already seem to be done by especially restrictive governments like China.)

I've always wondered if there is a way to sustainably facilitate the relatively anonymous transfer of physical goods similarly to how darknets allow the transfer of digital information.  Perhaps a live version of freenet with warehouses continually shipping numbered packages in circles until the right person picks each one up haha.
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Silk Road...: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2011, 11:30:04 PM »
The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable
June 1, 2011 - gawker.com

Making small talk with your pot dealer sucks. Buying cocaine can get you shot. What if you could buy and sell drugs online like books or light bulbs? Now you can: Welcome to Silk Road.

About three weeks ago, the U.S. Postal Service delivered an ordinary envelope to Mark's door. Inside was a tiny plastic bag containing 10 tabs of LSD. "If you had opened it, unless you were looking for it, you wouldn't have even noticed," Mark told us in a phone interview.

Mark, a software developer, had ordered the 100 micrograms of acid through a listing on the online marketplace Silk Road. He found a seller with lots of good feedback who seemed to know what they were talking about, added the acid to his digital shopping cart and hit "check out." He entered his address and paid the seller 50 Bitcoins—untraceable digital currency—worth around $150. Four days later the drugs, sent from Canada, arrived at his house.

"It kind of felt like I was in the future," Mark said.

Silk Road, a digital black market that sits just below most internet users' purview, does resemble something from a cyberpunk novel. Through a combination of anonymity technology and a sophisticated user-feedback system, Silk Road makes buying and selling illegal drugs as easy as buying used electronics—and seemingly as safe. It's Amazon—if Amazon sold mind-altering chemicals.

Here is just a small selection of the 340 items available for purchase on Silk Road by anyone, right now: a gram of Afghani hash; 1/8th ounce of "sour 13" weed; 14 grams of ecstasy; .1 grams tar heroin. A listing for "Avatar" LSD includes a picture of blotter paper with big blue faces from the James Cameron movie on it. The sellers are located all over the world, a large portion from the U.S. and Canada.

But even Silk Road has limits: You won't find any weapons-grade plutonium, for example. Its terms of service ban the sale of "anything who's purpose is to harm or defraud, such as stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of mass destruction."

Getting to Silk Road is tricky. The URL seems made to be forgotten. But don't point your browser there yet. It's only accessible through the anonymizing network TOR, which requires a bit of technical skill to configure.

Once you're there, it's hard to believe that Silk Road isn't simply a scam. Such brazenness is usually displayed only by those fake "online pharmacies" that dupe the dumb and flaccid. There's no sly, Craigslist-style code names here. But while scammers do use the site, most of the listings are legit. Mark's acid worked as advertised. "It was quite enjoyable, to be honest," he said. We spoke to one Connecticut engineer who enjoyed sampling some "silver haze" pot purchased off Silk Road. "It was legit," he said. "It was better than anything I've seen."

Silk Road cuts down on scams with a reputation-based trading system familiar to anyone who's used Amazon or eBay. The user Bloomingcolor appears to be an especially trusted vendor, specializing in psychedelics. One happy customer wrote on his profile: "Excellent quality. Packing, and communication. Arrived exactly as described." They gave the transaction five points out of five.

"Our community is amazing," Silk Road's anonymous administrator, known on forums as "Silk Road," told us in an email. "They are generally bright, honest and fair people, very understanding, and willing to cooperate with each other."

Sellers feel comfortable openly trading hardcore drugs because the real identities of those involved in Silk Road transactions are utterly obscured. If the authorities wanted to ID Silk Road's users with computer forensics, they'd have nowhere to look. TOR masks a user's tracks on the site. The site urges sellers to "creatively disguise" their shipments and vacuum seal any drugs that could be detected through smell. As for transactions, Silk Road doesn't accept credit cards, PayPal , or any other form of payment that can be traced or blocked. The only money good here is Bitcoins.

Bitcoins have been called a "crypto-currency," the online equivalent of a brown paper bag of cash. Bitcoins are a peer-to-peer currency, not issued by banks or governments, but created and regulated by a network of other bitcoin holders' computers. (The name "Bitcoin" is derived from the pioneering file-sharing technology Bittorrent.) They are purportedly untraceable and have been championed by cyberpunks, libertarians and anarchists who dream of a distributed digital economy outside the law, one where money flows across borders as free as bits.

To purchase something on Silk Road, you need first to buy some Bitcoins using a service like Mt. Gox Bitcoin Exchange. Then, create an account on Silk Road, deposit some bitcoins, and start buying drugs. One bitcoin is worth about $8.67, though the exchange rate fluctuates wildly every day. Right now you can buy an 1/8th of pot on Silk Road for 7.63 Bitcoins. That's probably more than you would pay on the street, but most Silk Road users seem happy to pay a premium for convenience.

Since it launched this February, Silk Road has represented the most complete implementation of the Bitcoin vision. Many of its users come from Bitcoin's utopian geek community and see Silk Road as more than just a place to buy drugs. Silk Road's administrator cites the anarcho-libertarian philosophy of Agorism. "The state is the primary source of violence, oppression, theft and all forms of coercion," Silk Road wrote to us. "Stop funding the state with your tax dollars and direct your productive energies into the black market."

Mark, the LSD buyer, had similar views. "I'm a libertarian anarchist and I believe that anything that's not violent should not be criminalized," he said.

But not all Bitcoin enthusiasts embrace Silk Road. Some think the association with drugs will tarnish the young technology, or might draw the attention of federal authorities. "The real story with Silk Road is the quantity of people anxious to escape a centralized currency and trade," a longtime bitcoin user named Maiya told us in a chat. "Some of us view Bitcoin as a real currency, not drug barter tokens."

Silk Road and Bitcoins could herald a black market eCommerce revolution. But anonymity cuts both ways. How long until a DEA agent sets up a fake Silk Road account and starts sending SWAT teams instead of LSD to the addresses she gets? As Silk Road inevitably spills out of the bitcoin bubble, its drug-swapping utopians will meet a harsh reality no anonymizing network can blur.

--- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14546669
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 02:30:49 AM »
What a fucking scumbag of a reporter.

Edit: Too pissed off right now....I'll think more clearly later....
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 03:23:13 AM »
Yeah... I know a lot here have probably heard of this site... and I wonder if it is the result of the ideas originally discussed in this thread?

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Silk Road and Bitcoins could herald a black market eCommerce revolution. But anonymity cuts both ways. How long until a DEA agent sets up a fake Silk Road account and starts sending SWAT teams instead of LSD to the addresses she gets? As Silk Road inevitably spills out of the bitcoin bubble, its drug-swapping utopians will meet a harsh reality no anonymizing network can blur.

What sort of likely hood is that? Wouldn't that result in some form of entrapment - as they would have to offer the drugs for sale? It sounds like the only address received is from the buyer to the seller... and if they did not except or "know" about the package being sent - it would be hard to get someone for that? I don't know... its interesting.

Its been mentioned 15+ times in different articles on google news... very well known about I assume at this point..
http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=d4rcw_Kxk_MuCZMOBfYv5-alxjoqM
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 03:45:25 AM »
It's totally legal in the US and routinely done all the time. Sell busts are very popular because they require little setup and result in substantial seizures of buy money.

Entrapment is the Bigfoot of criminal defense. Many people think they've caught a glimpse, but it rarely seems to come out anymore.

The DEA could put up sting listings tomorrow and have a whole cell block full of people by the end of the week.

Since the market is anonymous, there is nothing to stop a total spam approach to the stings, meaning that, for example, 100 sting accounts are created for each real seller account. The supply of new sellers would cease.

The only way the online scene is going to work is via the tried and true, ad hoc, OpenPGP email sources. Fixed format edifices are too susceptible to attack. Drug markets only survive with information asymmetry, whether it is the name of a connection in the bad part of town, suppliers whose movements are unknown to the police, vendor emails, or hidden websites. Exposure pushes the information equilibrium towards symmetry.

I wouldn't say the concept is new. The good email sources have been alive for years.

The source is the secret, which is why it has to be passed from one trusted person to another close contact. Each source has his own rules, his own business practices, and his own technique. There's no point of attack so long as everyone uses the appropriate technology and the email address never gets out to a douchebag.

Bitcoin is actually not as anonymous as people think it is. The transactions themselves may be, but it suffers from far too many statistical attacks given the Bitcoin trails being available to the public. Bitcoin swaps over Tor are anonymous, but eventually one of those trails ends at an exchanger.

Bitcoin is "anonymous" because its concept of identity is fluid, unlike the identities governments assign us in meatspace. Bitcoins are "anonymous" because the transactions themselves stick to the what without getting hung up on the who.

Most people see the word "anonymous" and think "untraceable." With Bitcoin, that is simply incorrect.

There are effectively pseudonymous ways to transfer money for shady online business, but they rely on things other than pure technology. Jurisdiction, lack of verification, no KYC, cash, and some other things I won't mention make centralized services much safer than Bitcoin.

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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2011, 03:49:20 AM »
They could set up fake sales for sure. I would think it would work similar to a controlled delivery. Just don't buy of anyone new. These forums have always been around, there was even one created by hive members back in the day (thebeeshive). Hate to see everything plastered all over the net drawing attention but that's the point of the 2 that utilize tor, completely public. I'd also advise that anyone doing this set up a drop box using a fake ID that will sign for packages.

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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2011, 03:57:47 AM »
hey a seller's paradise if you can launder the money.
buyer beware
150 bucks for 10 hits? man that's criminal
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2011, 07:10:41 AM »
The Silk Road story has now made it to Wired:

h**p://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/silkroad/

it's an age old story, two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead    8)
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2011, 07:31:33 AM »
So did you take down your site, V16? I keep getting a SOCKS error on Tor.

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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2011, 07:36:47 AM »
I don't know if it is even his or not? Just related in idea and everything...
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2011, 10:33:16 AM »
Reading through some of the articles is somewhat hilarious because you can really get a sense of the intelligence levels of the various people involved.

A couple of unimportant Senators read an article about something that's been going on for months and go ballistic, then tell the DEA who basically respond "yeah, we kind of knew that already."

One of them is confident they're just going to storm in and shut them down as though they have offices in upper Manhattan and even suggested the tactic of taking over their domain name, which is complete nonsense given how hidden services work and similar to your grandmother calling your iPod a walkman.  They're always two steps behind.

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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2011, 09:34:24 PM »
Anyone know of a good way to cash out Bitcoins into some government-endorsed currency? I mined a few hundred about a year ago when the proof-of-work difficulty was much lower. According to Mt. Gox I'm sitting on about USD $10k in BTC. But it seems hard to exchange into the "mundane" economy if you want to pay for light bulbs or a plumber instead of drugs or cyberattacks. You can easily exchange BTC for Dwolla or Liberty Reserve but those systems too seem trapped in a bubble of weirdness; Dwolla claims to transfer to real bank accounts but I need to do more research. I'd prefer to get tangible, legal goods rather than routing the money through a traditional bank first.

Speaking of bubbles, Mt. Gox is about the least transparent financial organization imaginable. I suspect that the value of BTC in real currency is much lower than the published values, and I wouldn't mind cashing out at lower than published rates since the coins cost me basically nothing in the first place. In principle I think Bitcoins are the coolest thing since PGP, but you can see that the early adopters tend toward the scum-and-villainy side of things. I don't mean drugs -- honest drug chemists and dealers are on the side of the angels IMO. I mean that the vibe I get from the Bitcoin "community" (not the majority, but a large enough minority to skeeve me) is that the model user is a hedge fund trader who thinks that the world really needs a safer way to buy assassins and preteen prostitutes.

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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2011, 01:26:19 AM »
Dwolla is legit and the easiest way to get cash

edit: also there is no way mtgox is manipulating the price.  there are several other exchangers
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Re: Anonymous, untraceable auction site
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2011, 06:30:12 PM »
i tell you what you can make  an asston of cash off the conservative christian right, by selling the gold prommissary notes.
it's basically printing money