"I'm also not sure what would be better slica or alumina(sp)? "

You would want to ideally perform reversed-phase chromatography with C8(L7) or C18(L1) bonded silica! But cyano bonded silica (L10) and phenyl bonded silica(L11) are good too. As for your mobile phase (eluent), the solvents have to be miscible with water and the most common organic solvents used are acetonitrile, methanol or tetrahydrofuran (THF). Other solvents can be used such as ethanol, 2-propanol (iso-propyl alcohol). Thank you wiki! In your case you would ideally go for one of these combinations or experiment for the best results. I know that all of the combinations below at one time have been used as eluents for either ergot alkaloids or lysergamides, where separation of the lysergic acid amides was necessary;

9:1 Methanol:Water

9:1 Acetonitrile : Water

9:1 Methylene Chloride: Methanol

7:2:1 Chloroform : Ethanol : Water

3% Methanol in Dichloromethane

All of the above eluents are adjusted to a slightly alkaline pH. Thus the alkaloids will be separated as free bases providing much better separation in the column, as compared to their much more soluble salts. The lysergamide should be one of the first things to come out. A UV light will be needed for the first column you run, so you can see when the appropriate band comes out. Since ergine is gong to be one of the first things out, that is alot of hassle you dont have! Elute the lysergamide and save it, then the rest can be tossed. Kellers reagent can be kept on hand, and small samples can be pipetted out and tested for violet-blue reaction whenever in doubt.

Woah. What? can you explain that process alittle more? Homemade honey bee? As in honey? Or actual Bees?

I've never heard of that method before.

Since I've never seen nor used one of those I don't exactly get it. I'd fill it with what? then insert my LSA extract, then inject butane, then the ergine comes out the black part into a dish where I evaporate the Butane off, leaving me crystals of ergine?

EDIT: I watched the video. Seems genius. I'm just worried will the extract left over in the pan be pure (semi pure) ergine? Wouldn't the other alkaloids that can be dissolved in non-polar solvents be dissolved also?

If the final product was in fact ergine, then I would have to convert into a salt again using acid... preferably tartaric acid. Which would make a stable Lysergic acid tartate compound. Perfect for a peptide coupling project. Not that I'd attempted that. 

I've got a good 5 grams I've made. Though I think its slightly impure since its turning yellow in my vial its in. Possibly from the HCL I used to extract it.

As for column, I've been looking into that some more...I'll get back to that later.

AS for the seeds, there are alot of alkaloids IIRC about 7-15 different ones. Lysergic Acid amide being the at the top of the list. With the size of that honeybee...I'd need a lot of runs. Meaning a lot of butane, and a lot of NaOH. Since its so small and I want about 10 grams of ergine...thats a shit load of seeds.

I was referring to tartaric acid turning yellow. Not any lysergic derivative. I didn't really look into tartaric acid but IIRC it's not unstable?

I haven't done the extraction of lsa yet. I'm waiting tk get a coffee grinder to extract from these 500 seeds I have.

I was going to recrystalize it, but I guess it's too late for that. What's the best to remove the hcl for future extractions.


Finally. I have a proposed theory to extract the purest LSA possible, but i'm waiting for a reply then I'll post it.

Totse is actually dead haha.  Sedit is by no means asking you to leave.  What we would like to see from you is more in depth questions.  You're obviously learning, so keep up the good work at this pace.  Do what sedit suggests, and read.  It doesn't have to be a boring book just read through people's posts and success, etc.  Read through a bunch of websites, similar things to that.  wiki is actually a dependable source.

It will be harder, but thats how myself, sedit, vesp, and I'm sure quite a few others on this board learned.  Just keep persevering.  Good luck, good sir!

 once again guys i'm kinda new to accessing these sites and posting on them but i do have a fairly extensive knowledge on a variety of topics--including some here!!!!
 
 i would have thought someone would have tried to source ergot fungus from rye grass as 'ole albert did and convert it to the tartrate etc--ur sooo right sedit about their being a great deal of

data available from numerous sources about this---that said....

 agent MH (you dont laugh a lot uncontrolably do you?)  ie. Hg poisoning???

 naa just kidding,,,but bottom line doing online searches is to be "concise and PRECISE"" ( emphasising this..not shouting)

 CORRECT spelling is ESSENTIAL--I forget the programmers acronym for it but it means something  like---  "shit in,,shit out"

Btw i am more than happy for "feedback" good, bad, or indifferent"  i am here to learn, and as "knowledge is power",,,,,, bring it on!!!

also please excuse my sometimes TOTALLY wrong, irrelevant,misunderstood etc posts comments--i'm pedalling as fast as i can--between moments of "brain death+inspiration"

This is the best method I have come across... A/B would be the best route in theory, but for the product used and what is gained a simple polar/NP does the trick just fine. The tincture part is the best IMO. But of all routes I have tried this is the way. The acid base works just fine I admit, but really the effects are about the same. Great to be here.

Extracting lysergic acid amide (LSA) From Morning Glory Seeds.

Items needed: 1. About 200 grams of MORNING GLORY SEEDS.
2. 200 cc. of petroleum ether (make sure it's PETROLEUM ether) Highly flammable keep away from heat flames etc. Even Cigarettes!!! Highly poisonous!!!!!!!! Never use NAPTHA or lighter fluid!!!!!!!!! IF you choose to go with naptha, go with VM+P. THis is the cleanest I have seen of any naptha's. You will do as you please either way, so use this one if you are going to use any!!! Yes the Dichloromethane will work, make sure it is good stuff. NOT jasco stripper or some such shit.
3. Small piece of window screen or strainer.
4. A couple of large glasses with lids. Mason jars work great. Pint jars are large enough. Quart jars are what I use.
5. One old cookie tray. (optional)
6. 260 cc. of Devil’s Vodka. Everclear is better. 80 or 100 proof vodka. But not Bacardi 151 Rum as this contains other ingredients that make it unsuitable for extraction.

What to do:
1. Grind up about 170 grams of seeds. (Wash the seeds in water first)
2. In 145 cc. of petroleum ether, soak the seeds for two days.
3. With screen, filter the liquid and save the seed mush. Allow the mush to dry.
Make sure it is completely evaporated!!! If you can still smell it, IT ISN’T!!!!!
This is the most important part of the extraction process in my eyes. If you leave any of it on there and add the alcohol, you will get very, very sick or worse. Depending on how much was left. IF YOU CAN STILL SMELL IT, IT ISN'T ALL EVAPORATED!!!!!!!
Save your Petroleum ether, it can be used up to 8 more times. I like using the screen compared to the filter paper because it causes a more rapid evaporation compared to filter paper. It gets air flow from both sides and then you can stir the mush around once in awhile to help the evaporation process along. Vacuum filtration is also a good method.
4. Let the mush soak in 130 cc. of Devil’s Vodka alcohol for two days, In a glass jar with lid on. Every once in a while shake it around a little bit.
5. Filter the solution again. Save the liquid in a different glass jar.
Use a White T shirt. This lets you “Ring” out the mush which cannot be done with a coffee filter without it ripping. You can use a coffee filter if you wish to though.
6. Soak the same mush again in another 130 cc. of Devil’s Vodka for two more days in another jar with lid on.
I prefer to use the 130cc and it helps figure out dosage.
7. Filter out the mush and throw it away. Save the liquid in another jar.
Use a white T shirt again for this.
8. Now, pour both saved glass containers with the Alcohol/ LSA solution in them, into a cookie sheet.
The cookie sheet part is optional, it depends on how far you want to take it down. If you want a liquid state then don’t do this. Put both jars together in a “dark colored bottle” (make sure it doesn’t let any light in). The bottle should be a 16 oz bottle, it will be less than 16 ounces that you end up with. If you want a gum then go right ahead, and use the cookie sheet to help with evaporation.
9. Let the liquid dry in to a yellowish gum.
At this point it is up to you. You can go to gum or make a tincture which is what I prefer.
If you make it into a gum, Scrap the yellow gum into pill capsules and take. Sample it first to see how much one hit is.

Storage: Place in refrigerator in a container that lets in no light. HEAT and LIGHT break the amides down making you solution weaker. It should store for a couple of months. I have never stored it more than a month Personally but, under those “ideal” conditions it should be fine for longer.

The dosage recommendations are as follows:

With dosage you have some variables to consider. This tek Will provide you with 260cc of liquid. Now take into consideration the 6 day process that it soaks in alcohol. So you will probably have about 10cc evaporated already. Now 250cc is 250ml which is .25L which is in turn 8.5 (8.453506) ounces. So it is about half a 16 ounce bottle. Now there are 11.33 doses in the said amount of 8.5 ounces or .25L or 250cc. These are very VERY strong doses, being 500 seeds per dose. A moderate dose would be 250 seeds per dose. Then you would have 22.66 doses in the said amount. Now if you would like to have a “runnier” or more Alcohol to dose ratio you can add more alcohol. Say for example, by using the strong dose, you want to have 16 oz. of alcohol for your 11 doses, you will have to use more alcohol naturally, nearly twice as much. This dosage and amount of alcohol, in .25L, is just what I prefer. I would rather trip then to catch a buzz from the alcohol.

Now dosage:
If you are doing the very VERY strong dose you will take 22.7 ml or cc as they are interchangeable if you didn’t know. (500 seeds)
If you want moderate doses you will take 11.4 ml (250 seeds)
This only applies if you end up with this amount at the end (the 8.5 (8.453506)). If it is less you have to take that into account. So measure your final product to make sure that it falls right close to 250cc or 250ml or .25 L or 8.5 oz. This is the amount that this dosage recommendation above are for.
If you choose to “water” it down I will help adjust it accordingly if you wish.

Taking it:
When you go to take your 22.7 ml for your very strong trip you will want to shake the bottle up first then pour out the correct amount you wish to take and hold the liquid in your mouth for at least 30 sec to a minute maximum. The amides in the solution will soak directly into the tongue causing your trip to come on much sooner.

Another thing is that some of your solution may evaporate over time. Add more alcohol to counter this but you have to take that into consideration with dosage.
I believe that this is sufficient in information to complete this tek though I may have missed/ not covered everything clearly. If any of you are confused and need help with any of it I am happy to answer any questions you have with any parts of this tek and I am glad to help you out in any and all ways possible.

The doses may seem a little weak to you. (Possibly if you are an experienced tripper/ pot smoker/ drinker.) I would rather that you take too little than too much. I say high doses, and they are. But if you are experienced in this you may want to take more. But I always encourage to take the dose recommended and work your way up. (an experienced tripper does this anyways.) These will fuck you up, but I do not want this to come back on me. Rather you said that it was way too weak than way too strong. (Rather be safe than sorry.) If it is too much I am sorry. I would much rather tell someone too little of an amount than too much. I am sure no one will disagree with me there.
Good Luck and Good Trip.
SaTaN


Here is the extraction for HBWS. It is the SAME damn thing except for the seeds. In both teks I have compensated for a little potency loss, but NOT MUCH!!! A STRONG dose according to erowid is 12 seeds. According to them 400 seeds is a STRONG dose and I did it on 500 seeds. SO again these are VERY STRONG doses. As always work your way up. Just see no point in making a weak solution when it can be “watered” down or suited to fit your needs by simply taking less.


Extracting lysergic acid amide (LSA) From Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds.

Items needed: 1. About 145 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds.
2. 200 cc. of petroleum ether (make sure it's PETROLEUM ether) Highly flammable keep away from heat flames etc. Even Cigarettes!!! Highly poisonous!!!!!!!! Never use NAPTHA or lighter fluid!!!!!!!!!
3. Small piece of window screen or strainer.
4. A couple of large glasses with lids. Mason jars work great. Quart jars are what I use.
5. One old cookie tray. (optional)
6. 260 cc. of Devil’s Vodka. Everclear is better. 80 or 100 proof vodka. But not Bacardi 151 Rum as this contains other ingredients that make it unsuitable for extraction.

What to do:
1. Grind up all of seeds. (Wash the seeds in water first. Also you want to scrape off as much of the fuzzy coating as you can then flame sterilize (burn) the rest of it off)
2. In 145 cc. of petroleum ether, soak the seeds for two days.
3. With screen, filter the liquid and save the seed mush. Allow the mush to dry.
Make sure it is completely evaporated!!! If you can still smell it, IT ISN’T!!!!!
This is the most important part of the extraction process in my eyes. If you leave any of it on there and add the alcohol, you will get very, very sick or worse. Depending on how much was left. IF YOU CAN STILL SMELL IT, IT ISN'T ALL EVAPORATED!!!!!!!
Save your Petroleum ether, it can be used up to 8 more times. I like using the screen compared to the filter paper because it causes a more rapid evaporation compared to filter paper. It gets air flow from both sides and then you can stir the mush around once in awhile to help the evaporation process along.
4. Let the mush soak in 130 cc. of Devil’s Vodka alcohol for two days, In a glass jar with lid on. Every once in a while shake it around a little bit.
5. Filter the solution again. Save the liquid in a different glass jar.
Use a White T shirt. This lets you “Ring” out the mush which cannot be done with a coffee filter without it ripping. You can use a coffee filter if you wish to though.
6. Soak the same mush again in another 130 cc. of Devil’s Vodka for two more days in another jar with lid on.
I prefer to use the 130cc and it helps figure out dosage.
7. Filter out the mush and throw it away. Save the liquid in another jar.
Use a white T shirt again for this.
8. Now, pour both saved glass containers with the Alcohol/ LSA solution in them, into a cookie sheet.
The cookie sheet part is optional, it depends on how far you want to take it down. If you want a liquid state then don’t do this. Put both jars together in a “dark colored bottle” (make sure it doesn’t let any light in). The bottle should be a 16 oz bottle, it will be less than 16 ounces that you end up with. If you want a gum then go right ahead, and use the cookie sheet to help with evaporation.
9. Let the liquid dry in to a yellowish gum.
At this point it is up to you. You can go to gum or make a tincture which is what I prefer.
If you make it into a gum, Scrap the yellow gum into pill capsules and take. Sample it first to see how much one hit is.

Storage: Place in refrigerator in a container that lets in no light. HEAT and LIGHT break the amides down making you solution weaker. It should store for a couple of months. I have never stored it more than a month Personally but, under those “ideal” conditions it should be fine for longer.

The dosage recommendations are as follows:

With dosage you have some variables to consider. This tek Will provide you with 260cc of liquid. Now take into consideration the 6 day process that it soaks in alcohol. So you will probably have about 10cc evaporated already. Now 250cc is 250ml which is .25L which is in turn 8.5 (8.453506) ounces. So it is about half a 16 ounce bottle. Now there are 11.33 doses in the said amount of 8.5 ounces or .25L or 250cc. These are very VERY strong doses, being 12 seeds per dose. A moderate dose would be 6 seeds per dose. Then you would have 22.66 doses in the said amount. Now if you would like to have a “runnier” or more Alcohol to dose ratio you can add more alcohol. Say for example, by using the strong dose, you want to have 16 oz. of alcohol for your 11 doses, you will have to use more alcohol naturally, nearly twice as much. This dosage and amount of alcohol, in .25L, is just what I prefer. I would rather trip then to catch a buzz from the alcohol.

Now dosage:
If you are doing the very VERY strong dose you will take 22.7 ml or cc as they are interchangeable if you didn’t know. (12 seeds)
If you want moderate doses you will take 11.4 ml (6 seeds)
This only applies if you end up with this amount at the end (the 8.5 (8.453506)). If it is less you have to take that into account. So measure your final product to make sure that it falls right close to 250cc or 250ml or .25 L or 8.5 oz. This is the amount that this dosage recommendation above are for.
If you choose to “water” it down I will help adjust it accordingly if you wish.

Taking it:
When you go to take your 22.7 ml for your very strong trip you will want to shake the bottle up first then pour out the correct amount you wish to take and hold the liquid in your mouth for at least 30 sec to a minute maximum. The amides in the solution will soak directly into the tongue causing your trip to come on much sooner.

Another thing is that some of your solution may evaporate over time. Add more alcohol to counter this but you have to take that into consideration with dosage.
I believe that this is sufficient in information to complete this tek though I may have missed/ not covered everything clearly. If any of you are confused and need help with any of it I am happy to answer any questions you have with any parts of this tek and I am glad to help you out in any and all ways possible.

The doses may seem a little weak to you. (Possibly if you are an experienced tripper/ pot smoker/ drinker.) I would rather that you take too little than too much. I say high doses, and they are. But if you are experienced in this you may want to take more. But I always encourage to take the dose recommended and work your way up. (an experienced tripper does this anyways.) These will fuck you up, but I do not want this to come back on me. Rather you said that it was way too weak than way too strong. (Rather be safe than sorry.) If it is too much I am sorry. I would much rather tell someone too little of an amount than too much. I am sure no one will disagree with me there.
Good Luck and Good Trip.
SaTaN




I have written the following tek to erowids standards as far as dosage goes. It does NOT compensate for a loss of potency. This is going to technically be more accurate than my other methods described. I based all of my extractions on 50 seeds per 1.5 grams. According to them 10 grams is 400 seeds. Which is 40 seeds per gram. I did 500 seeds is 15 grams. So based on that they would say 500 seeds is 12.5 grams. AGAIN I did compensate for some potency loss in mine, but this is going to be for the 400 seed recommended Strong dose. AGAIN this does NOT compensate for loss of potency. My other extraction is better IMO, but I figured this would be good to do for you people that trust erowid. 400 seeds is a STRONG dose I admit. But when you get into it a bit you find going over 500 seeds is common. This does NOT affect the extraction or anything JUST dosage information. YOU WILL NOT FIND DOSAGE INFORMATION AS THOROUGH AS MINE I PROMISE YOU. Erowid has their own extraction tek and I HIGHLY suggest taking a look at it. I just don't agree with parts of it so this is my way of doing it.

Extracting lysergic acid amide (LSA) From Morning Glory Seeds according to Erowid's standards

Items needed: 1. About 200 grams of MORNING GLORY SEEDS.
2. 200 cc. of petroleum ether (make sure it's PETROLEUM ether) Highly flammable keep away from heat flames etc. Even Cigarettes!!! Highly poisonous!!!!!!!! Never use NAPTHA or lighter fluid!!!!!!!!!
3. Small piece of window screen or strainer.
4. A couple of large glasses with lids. Mason jars work great. Quart jars are what I use.
5. One old cookie tray. (optional)
6. 260 cc. of Devil’s Vodka. Everclear is better. 80 or 100 proof vodka. But not Bacardi 151 Rum as this contains other ingredients that make it unsuitable for extraction.

What to do:
1. Grind up about 170 grams of seeds. (Wash the seeds in water first)
2. In 145 cc. of petroleum ether, soak the seeds for two days.
3. With screen, filter the liquid and save the seed mush. Allow the mush to dry.
Make sure it is completely evaporated!!! If you can still smell it, IT ISN’T!!!!!
This is the most important part of the extraction process in my eyes. If you leave any of it on there and add the alcohol, you will get very, very sick or worse. Depending on how much was left. IF YOU CAN STILL SMELL IT, IT ISN'T ALL EVAPORATED!!!!!!!
Save your Petroleum ether, it can be used up to 8 more times. I like using the screen compared to the filter paper because it causes a more rapid evaporation compared to filter paper. It gets air flow from both sides and then you can stir the mush around once in awhile to help the evaporation process along.
4. Let the mush soak in 130 cc. of Devil’s Vodka alcohol for two days, In a glass jar with lid on. Every once in a while shake it around a little bit.
5. Filter the solution again. Save the liquid in a different glass jar.
Use a White T shirt. This lets you “Ring” out the mush which cannot be done with a coffee filter without it ripping. You can use a coffee filter if you wish to though.
6. Soak the same mush again in another 130 cc. of Devil’s Vodka for two more days in another jar with lid on.
I prefer to use the 130cc and it helps figure out dosage.
7. Filter out the mush and throw it away. Save the liquid in another jar.
Use a white T shirt again for this.
8. Now, pour both saved glass containers with the Alcohol/ LSA solution in them, into a cookie sheet.
The cookie sheet part is optional, it depends on how far you want to take it down. If you want a liquid state then don’t do this. Put both jars together in a “dark colored bottle” (make sure it doesn’t let any light in). The bottle should be a 16 oz bottle, it will be less than 16 ounces that you end up with. If you want a gum then go right ahead, and use the cookie sheet to help with evaporation.
9. Let the liquid dry in to a yellowish gum.
At this point it is up to you. You can go to gum or make a tincture which is what I prefer.
If you make it into a gum, Scrap the yellow gum into pill capsules and take. Sample it first to see how much one hit is.

Storage: Place in refrigerator in a container that lets in no light. HEAT and LIGHT break the amides down making you solution weaker. It should store for a couple of months. I have never stored it more than a month Personally but, under those “ideal” conditions it should be fine for longer.

The dosage recommendations are as follows:

With dosage you have some variables to consider. This tek Will provide you with 260cc of liquid. Now take into consideration the 6 day process that it soaks in alcohol. So you will probably have about 10cc evaporated already. Now 250cc is 250ml which is .25L which is in turn 8.5 (8.453506) ounces. So it is about half a 16 ounce bottle. Now there are 13.6 doses in the said amount of 8.5 ounces or .25L or 250cc. These are very VERY strong doses, being 400 seeds per dose. A moderate dose would be 250 seeds per dose. Then you would have 21.76 doses in the said amount. Now if you would like to have a “runnier” or more Alcohol to dose ratio you can add more alcohol. Say for example, by using the strong dose, you want to have 16 oz. of alcohol for your 13.6 doses, you will have to use more alcohol naturally, nearly twice as much. This dosage and amount of alcohol, in .25L, is just what I prefer. I would rather trip then to catch a buzz from the alcohol.

Now dosage:
If you are doing the very VERY strong dose you will take 18.38 ml or cc as they are interchangeable if you didn’t know. (400 seeds)
If you want moderate doses you will take 11.488 ml (250 seeds if you didn’t notice the moderate dose isn’t much of a change from mine.)
This only applies if you end up with this amount at the end (the 8.5 (8.453506)). If it is less you have to take that into account. So measure your final product to make sure that it falls right close to 250cc or 250ml or .25 L or 8.5 oz. This is the amount that this dosage recommendation above are for.
If you choose to “water” it down I will help adjust it accordingly if you wish.

Taking it:
When you go to take your 18.38 ml for your very strong trip you will want to shake the bottle up first then pour out the correct amount you wish to take and hold the liquid in your mouth for at least 30 sec to a minute maximum. The amides in the solution will soak directly into the tongue causing your trip to come on much sooner.

Another thing is that some of your solution may evaporate over time. Add more alcohol to counter this but you have to take that into consideration with dosage.
I believe that this is sufficient in information to complete this tek though I may have missed/ not covered everything clearly. If any of you are confused and need help with any of it I am happy to answer any questions you have with any parts of this tek and I am glad to help you out in any and all ways possible.

The doses may seem a little weak to you. (Possibly if you are an experienced tripper/ pot smoker/ drinker.) I would rather that you take too little than too much. I say high doses, and they are. But if you are experienced in this you may want to take more. But I always encourage to take the dose recommended and work your way up. (an experienced tripper does this anyways.) These will fuck you up, but I do not want this to come back on me. Rather you said that it was way too weak than way too strong. (Rather be safe than sorry.) If it is too much I am sorry. I would much rather tell someone too little of an amount than too much. I am sure no one will disagree with me there.
Good Luck and Good Trip.

Read the first one, it contains more info...
SaTaN