PNP's into amphetamines reduction on alu foil

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

THF stinks maybe and is an explosive hazard - but Al/Hg shouldn't be underestimated regarding the toxicity.

Ver cheap though, for sure a lot more than LAH/THF...

i_a

brain · Linguist Extraordinaire

so maybe we can focus-at:
-how to puryfy product from Hg (dry distilation?)
-how to reget Hg for next use, maybe the filtration, washing with water+NaOH, water, and "disolve" in hno3...

??

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Elemental mercury can only be removed completely when you vacuum distill the freebase several times over a long (vigreux) column, since Hg has a very low vapor pressure and will evaporate too - so steam distillation isn't good.

Another option is to wash with saturated brine solution 5-6 times (more is better), then add a few granules/turnings of zinc or aluminum (this will hopefully remove all Hg traces through amalgamation), filter the freebase dissolved in nopolar through a celite pad (celite=diatomaceous earth; acts as a filtering aid), and recrystallize the final product as the hydrochloride at least 3x from IPA/acetone.

For amph, the hydrochloride is no option though, so I would recommend doing more than one a/b on the freebase, wash thoroughly with brine, add some zinc or Al, and filter very thoroughly before forming the sulfate. Hope this will remove all hg traces - not sure though...
(make sure you visit your doctor after finishing experimenting with Al/Hg, and have him check your mercury contamination, its always better if you know what you did to your body before starting any new experiments)

i_a

brain · Linguist Extraordinaire

its only when you are taking i yourself... if it goes for sale-you will shit for contatmetnt of Hg Smile

.... i will TCL pyryfy,,, or silicagel column puryfy product-hope will work fine Smile

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Or, to say it with a a bit more friendly terms:

Why do you think that YOUR health would be worth more than the health of other people - since you don't know them personally? Just because you make the product doesn't mean you are a better person than the one who will be taking the product, nor that your health is more important than other's...

(would you like to become poisoned, just because your local grocery store wanted to earn a few quick bucks, by selling toxic nutrition products without tellin ya?? No, surely not.....)

Think about it, please.

i_a

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Lol, I just imagined what would happen to our society in general if everyone would do things only correctly when done for themselves; the doctor, the lawyer, the policeman, the baker, the dentist Shocked

etc.etc. - what if they all wouldn't care shit about how well they do their job, unless they were doing their job directly for someone they know personally....
(chaos, I would say...)

Lesson for today:
if you've got a job to do - do it right, have some pride.... Very Happy

i_a

icecool · Insistent Chemist

True indole.
But what about the reaction of aluminium amalgam when letting it first react with conc. NaOH solution?
Like in vogels like I posted before...

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Then you will have aluminium hydroxide, NaCl, water and elemental Hg present - the contamination issue sadly isn't solved by adding NaOH to Al/Hg.
(did you mean washing with NaOH before amalgamation of after the reduction has been finished?)

cheers

i_a

icecool · Insistent Chemist

No before adding the HgCl2 solution you first pour the Al in NaOH solution.

Preparation of Aluminum Amalgam

Aluminum Amalgam is a useful mild reducing agent which requires careful preparation in order to be effective. The following is adapted from Vogel's Practical Organic Chemistry.

Prepare 10% Sodium Hydroxide solution by dissolving 20g NaOH in 180mL of distilled water.

Prepare a ~2% Mercuric (II) Chloride solution by dissolving 1g of HgCl2 in 50mL of distilled water.

Cut 40g of aluminum foil into small squares approximately .5cm a side.

Place the aluminum into a large beaker or other suitable glass container and cover with the sodium hydroxide solution. Heat gently in a well ventilated area until hydrogen gas evolves vigorously for about 3 minutes. Strain the foil through a plastic colander and wash first with distilled water, then with denatured alcohol. Pat dry then add to a beaker with the 2% HgCl2 solution. Allow to amalgamate for 2 minutes then pour off the supernatant. It is unethical to pour mercury compounds down the drain, but you'll probably do it anyway Wink. Now wash the foil in the colander as before, with distilled water, ethanol, and then a little bit of ether. Submerge the aluminum amalgam in ether to store until use.

brain · Linguist Extraordinaire

hey!! i newer sold any of my 'products' !! eaven with super puryty !! because i think-sealing drugs-eaven pure is killing the consumer!!
-i was talking for peoples who are sealing! i didnt met any one ?(from dealers) whih was warried about hes consumer helth!! non...
-only given them for free Laughing

-when i was taking it with them Wink

-and-the contaiment of hg? i just tested it-dont contain any traces of Hg (that could be dangerous, my water in home contains more HG heh) !! Laughing

when ethyl ether used...and some care with separating layers is given-so can shit on puryfying the final product !!!! Smile

icecool · Insistent Chemist

At this very moment SWIM just had a dream that he was amalgating aluminium foil.
He had 10,37g of Al foil put it in the grinder until there were all little crumbles.
Not too small of course.
And he added the HgCl2 at once to the Al foil with 650ml hot water (30*C).
And he doesn't see any silvery spots at the surface there is a evolution of hydrogen gas and the mixture becomes grey/dark he will stop after 15 minutes.
But doesn't know for sure when to stop?
When the hydrogen evolution stops or when?

All the foil is now dissolved after 15minutes WTF.
Can I still use this have I fucked it up???

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

icecool · Insistent Chemist

Well SWIM prefers water, and well it is easier and cheaper.
SWIMS Al foil is indeed quite thin.
He will try it now again with the half amount he used 65mg HgCl2 and 10g Al foil.
Now he will use 5g Al foil and 32mg HgCl2 and then more quickly decant off the water as soon as the Al looks greyisch and also vogels also says only 3 minutes with 2% HgCl2 solution to react.
And SWIM will compact the Al more this time so it will react less heavily.

brain · Linguist Extraordinaire