This is not the Hive ..........this is Synthetikal

java · Consumer

(This is my personal view and does not represent the views and policy of Synthetika)

Although many forums try to be individual in their style the Hive is a mold of it's own. There are some rumors that have been posted in various forums that the administration of this forum has called it the new Hive. I have never herd that here nor have I seen it posted here by anyone. This forum has it's own entity and doesn't want to be another Hive.

Because the membership here is working to gather the bee's and give them a home, and a home to anyone else, does not equate to a substitution for the Hive. I have membership at many forums but the Hive I consider as my first home. Where ever I go I like to contribute, with articles or relate interesting relative information found at other forums. I'm just a bee here, helping as bees are suppose to do. This is a great chemistry forum which I will continue to contribute.

Whenever the Hive returns I will also continue to contribute there, as I do here, and the other forums that I have membership . There is just too much information available to be static at one site .

Synthetika fills some of the void, made by the temporary closing of the Hive, along with WD, sciencemadness, Drug-Forum and others. However Synthetika and the other forums stand alone on their merits and will continue to be a very good places to learn chemistry, to have membership and visit along with the Hive. Not all memberships are made up of bee's, there are bee's there are dreamers , madscientists, researchers ....and just a whole gamet of types. There is a need for variety and that is what this place is to me an option like the other forums, but with each filling a particular need.

The ground work here is moving fast and the resources are being made available on a fast track and it can only get better, so stay tunned and keep contributing wherever you go , that's what bee's do , collect from everywhere to help make honey, dreamers help make dreams come true., and the scientist in us open the door to new things...........java

............this is Synthetika!

Note: I needed to clarify some things so I edited , so not to be misunderstood........java

Guest · Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:33 am

What's up Java,

This is not the hive, and I really don't want it to become like the hive,
As you can see already, this is a place for the more serious of chemists,
Speed, ---- and all those types of synonyms are not tolerated here,
members are being referred to "wet Dreams" , another great site, more specifically deducated to amphetamines.

We want to stay around for a while,
and want to be a point of refeference for all things chemical,

We have the Hive files here, so you can access them,

If we are shut down, well we will notify all members, and tell them, what is going on,

We are not the hive, hence the name Synthetika,
I think let people think what they want,

syn

Edit:
What I am trying to say is that, we cannot remain legal, if our posts became filled with speed this, crank that,.

We will discuss everything about ampetamine's but it will be in a different format than that of the stimulants section of the hive,
We encourage duscussion on all topics, BUT, the way we write the posts will be different, to remain within the law,

We are not discouraging anybody, If it can be posted in a clear and concise way, using less slang,

We want to work in collaboration with Wetdreams, Science Maddness & Drugs forum
And the idea of a total search engine sounds good

So please don't get us wrong here, we just want to get out of the Illegal Paradigm, and move into a higher profile for Hobby Chemists, and professionals,

I personally think that we all will have a lot to learn, and I don't want to be Jury,Judge, Executer,
I want us all to decide, how we sail into the future,

We just have to weed out the posts that can jepordise collective chemistry
Nobody is excluded, and everybody is welcome,
The only thing that has changed is the format, of how we post,

Guest · Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:09 am

Oh there is little doubt that the Hive will come back sooner or later.

And thats a good thing.

You are making things much to complicated.

/ORG

Guest · Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:05 am

Listen

I really wanted the hive to come back too,
But after 5 months and no formal mesages,

Well what are we supposed to think,

syn
I do agree that when the hive does get going,hopefull,
then it will be a great reference for us,

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Whats complicated with clarifying something? Rolling Eyes

IMO this is a good place to frequent, even more as long as the Hive stays offline (do you like being without any refs? Have you saved everything you need to know? I guess not...)

I_A

The Watcher · Dream Team

You are right this is not the Hive, it is Synthetika which can be as good as The Hive ever was even better but that will all depend on every member of this site doing our little part. I liked The Hive as much as the next guy but still no word from them and I am not as sure the hive will be back as some are. If it dose come back then great there is two places that can be referenced for a lot of chemical information. There has been a lot of hard work already put into this site by everyone and I feel it is shaping up rather nicely so I hope everyone will continue to contribute and work as one mind to further the research and development of home experimentation. Lets put the power of chemical manipulation back in the hands of those that it belongs to, the people of the world not just the governments of the world.

Guest · Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:33 am

Java,
You are an incredibly fair pair person, with too much integrity,

I must of been in a huff yesterday,
Java, you need gold access at everyboard, as your work is unprecedented,
I have seen your hours, when you are working here, somedays, almost 24hours, in a row,

I take my hat of to you Java,

syn

maj · Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:06 am

I like this place . It gives us the diversity that other placed on the web do not. This is a very important characteristic that this site incorportated. I beleive it will all help one of us learn new stuff in one way or another and that is the goal, right? Good now lets have some fun.

java · Consumer

With all the boards making back up copies of their archives , for the protection of the information it would be a good idea if all the boards would contribute their back up to make "The Uniform Clandestine Chemistry Search Engine" (TUCCSE), one that will span across borders and biasis and unite the information to all chemist's and aspiring chemists. The back up copies could be upgraded on a monthly basis and the information would flow from board to board. The forum back up copies would be indexed and IP removed from the poster, so that together we can all move ahead.

It's idea thought about from reading a post by a member in one of the forum's , as to how he wished all the information on the forums were linked together by a search engine.

It could be done, all it takes is asking each forum to participate......and provide a back up copy.....and maybe this forum can put it together and all the forums would hava an access link to the TUCCSE .

Well we can all dream.....but sometime, just sometimes, dreams do come true........java

jackoozzi · specialist

I think that is a great idea java all information available to everyone with one big search engine,what could be better than that

aztec · Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:59 am

methyl_ethyl · Riedel De Haen

but why do you want to have a drug forum that is biased? Why do you look down on methedrine? Being unfair is the government’s job... why do you want to help them do their job???

Speaking only for myself, I can say that I feel as if we are not biased, and that we do not look down on methedrine, and that we are not doing any one governments job.

I just as well could ask you why, you have listed reagents sent to your doorstep, why you insist on blowing up trailer houses, polluting the environment, why do you try to purchase multiple packages of pseudoephedrine containing OTC remedies (with dilated pupils and I2 stained shirts), why do you consistently ask to be forced fed the easiest route to the highest yielding money making end product. God forbid you would actually have to learn anything about what you are doing. Don't take this personally, I just feel as if we fly much, much, further beneath the radar lacking such postings.

In my humble opinion we are taking this stance because we would like to remain an online presence 20 years from now. A global home for chemistry discussion, just like the "home page" depicts.

Anything that will obstruct that goal will be removed, I am all for Censorship, this is not a place for tolerance of misinformation, nor do we cater to the misinformers. We will be fair, and for those that think that Synthetika is a haven to hide from the rath of UTFSE, will be kindly re-directed elsewhere.

Please keep in mind these thoughts are that of my own personal feelings, and not that of Synthetikas, moderators or administrators.

much_love

methyl_ethyl

MistaMiyagi · Dream Team

The biggest concern here is avoiding the pitfalls of other drug posting boards. It is thought that the discussion of illegal activities lead to the eventual - albeit possibly temporary - demise of The Hive (tm). Apparently "SWIM" and "dreaming" were not enough... we would like to keep this board open indefinitely, thus we must make an effort to drive certain things out of the woodwork.

Censorship of proper information is a grevious mistake. Censorship of grievous misinformation or immaturity, however, is quite another.

If there is a user that wishes to post something about methedrine.hydrochloride, its synthesis, precursors, etc., that is peachy keen. However, what must be prevented is:

The regression to "I methcook better than you xcook," a la TOTSE
The blatant discussion or planning of actual illegal activities

Certainly there are more things to moderate... if those were the only two things to watch over, moderators would not be necessary.

The final note is this: this is not the site for those looking for a recipie. To discuss chemistry - of any flavor - in an academic manner for personal enrichment is allowed by any country, no matter how tough its favorite three-letter-agency is.

What you do with the information on this site is of noone's concern or liability but your own. We do not condone illegal activities anymore than we could condone shooting bullets into your neighbor. However, we can hypothetically discuss in an academic manner the displacement of tissue, the transfer of energy, and the likely effects a specific caliber of bullet may have upon the human body.

Do your research, and:

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'Nuf said.

MM
(I am not synthetika, and they did not approve this message)

aztec · Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:43 pm

i certainly did not mean to cause a debate regarding the methedrine issue. and, while i feel (as always) that methyl_ ethyl's characteristically narrow-minded take on all methedrine users was predictably harsh, i can see the point.

other than continuously searching for new methods to overcome an ongoing, government influenced tweaking of pseudoephedrine formulation, or finding otc alternatives to pseudoephedrine, there isn't much novelty chem involved.

i am not offended nor do i feel snubbed. i also believe that m_e would not be offended by this post and, indeed, probably would admit to her bigoted view of methedrine users.

i wish all of you the best of luck and many years here and i again want to express my sincerest gratitude for providing info derived from the hive that i feared was lost to me.

love
aztec

java · Consumer