Total 4-FA synthesis using Al/Hg reduction

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Margaret_Thatcher: Would you be so kind and add a few more words to your post as to form at least one understandable sentence with it, please?

Thanks.

Star-light · Blacklight bulb

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

So its more feeling like a stimulant after all, and not even a strong one?
(and I thought it was great fun..)

With amphetamines in general, taking large amounts usually produces side effects like mucle tension, jaw clenching, elevated blood pressure etc., and the less you take, the more pronounced other effects become (should there be any). Thats why I suspected 150mg would be a bit much.

If you need that large amounts for having fun with it, I would say there's no way around feeling more stimulated than socialized... Laughing

(even plain *mphetamine does produce effects at lower doses! Is this compound really that special that its effects justify a double body load of neurotoxins for having only slightly more fun?)

i_a

Star-light · Blacklight bulb

mind · Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:03 am

64bandil · Busy Bee

150 mg's of the hydrochloride is not enough
200 mg's is juuuust right
300 mg's is too much - not comfortable...

Seems that all of my friends agree with these dosage Wink

sony · Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:43 am

Amen brother, 150 mg 4-fla hydrochloride supplemented by another 50 mg 2 hours later is definately viking certified.

Star-light · Blacklight bulb

MargaretThatcher · Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:25 am

Maybe mg/Kg would be a better description of dosage.

Vitus · Psychoscientist

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

The hydrosulfate is less soluble in H2O than the diamine sulfate? Normally its the other way round...
(IME any sulfates simply are painful when snorted, compared to hydrochlorides - must be more related to the SO4(2-) than to solubility, if you ask me)

Vitus · Psychoscientist

my mistake, it was of course the diamine sulfate Embarassed

MargaretThatcher · Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:47 am

A couple of times 100 mg FA.HCl

Long lasting with no hangover for me. Strange stuff. None of that jittery, tweaky feeling and did not want nor need to sleep. None of the absurd lovey-dovey feeling that MDMA gives. I can only describe it as mellow and friendly. I'd like to see it tested on a few other primates before I try it too often.

Edit: I was brief before because I did not want to give an Erowid-style tweaker report. I have now. May the Lord look with forgiveness upon my misdeed.

tetraedr · Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:01 am

SWIM has got the NMR-specrtum of 4-FA. It looks almost pure (no more 2-3%) of admixtures and as a right compound.

NMR-1H (DMSO-d6) ppm: 1.11 d (3H, Me), 2.65-2.72 m (1H, CHa), 3.04-3.09 m (1H, CHb), 3.36 bs ( CH+water), 7.11-7.16 m (2H, Ar-CH), 7.27-7.31 m (2H, Ar-CH), 8.30 bs (3H, NH3+).

And now SWIM is going to test it himself, on the weekend.
Could you remind me about duration of this stuff? If SWIM takes it (intramuscularly, perhaps) - 150-200 mg, in the morning. After what time he can sleep? Can drive the car?

Sandmeyer · Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:20 am