DMT - The Spirit Molecule Book Discussion

murdock · Sat May 21, 2005 7:29 pm

From 1990 to 1995 Dr. Rick Strassman conducted DEA-approved clinical research at the University of New Mexico in which he injected sixty volunteers with DMT, one of the most powerful psychedelics known. His detailed account of those sessions is an extraordinarily riveting inquiry into the nature of the human mind and the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. DMT, a plant-derived chemical that is also manufactured by the human brain, consistently produced near-death and mystical experiences. Many volunteers reported convincingly encounters with intelligent nonhuman presences, especially "aliens". Nearly all felt that the sessions were among the most profound experiences of their lives.

Strassman's research connects DMT with the pineal gland, considered by Hindus to be the site of the seventh chakra and by Rene Descartes to be the seat of the soul. DMT: The Spirit Molecule makes the bold case that DMT, naturally released by the pineal gland, ficilitates the soul's movement in and out of the body and is an integral part of the birth and deat experiences, as well as the highest states of meditation and even sexual transcendence. Strassman also believes that alien abduction experiences are brought on by accidental releases of DMT. If used wisely, DMT could trigger a period of remarkable progress in the scientific exploration of the most mystical regions of the human mind and soul.

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Sandmeyer · Sun May 22, 2005 6:39 am

it's a great book... a physical copy is strongly recommended...

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

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Heavy regular use of N,N-DMT obviously might cause permanent brain damage, resulting in abnormal antisocial behavior, agressivity, stupor and general delusion - just check out all of Sandmeyer's previous posts at this forum if you don't believe me. Very Happy

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MargaretThatcher · Sun May 22, 2005 8:41 pm

I have this book. It contains reports of administering DMT and a lot of nonsense.

Sandmeyer · Mon May 23, 2005 1:52 am

MargaretThatcher · Mon May 23, 2005 3:49 am

Sandmeyer · Mon May 23, 2005 6:08 am

Ehm? It seems like the science has replaced the christianity as a new form of mindless conformation in west. Everything must be by institutional standards, how would you write a book on DMT experience?

Hawkins "guff" about Big Bang sounds really stupid to me, yet almoust the whole world have conformed to his next-level-creationism propaganda. That on the other hand is considered cutting edge of science. I've tried couple of potent psychedelics and to use terms such as parallel universe and aliens to try to describe the state dosen't sound too far off. But what the hell is Big Bang and how much is 10^-99 second or 2 billion light years, i really can't relate to those figures, even if they sound very scientific and may they come from Harvard, they still meen nothing.

nubee · Master Archiver

i'd agree sandmeyer, and anyone who's actually had a full blown experience especially with dmt will also Shocked

i also feel that this book relates very little to any of the past or current dmt use in the world, and is not a very acurate interpretation of this topic as people just dont do dmt in a laboratory, with a thermometer up their bum and wonder why they where having experience's of alien anal probes...

-and a note for readers, the last report is of his own experience...

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tom-a-rom-rinbow · Mon May 23, 2005 2:20 pm

bee civil I_A, the more you try to inflate yourself the more insecure it makes you look. if you have 50mg n,n-dmt handy, smoke it and try to appreciate the grace everything in this world is full of.

i read some of strassman's reports, the figure i remember is that about 50% subjects experienced contact with entities...

swim has had access to dmt from mimosa for awhile, but he hasn't had the time and inclination to work deeply with it. something about the weight of a mundane existence taxing his system to the point where he doesn't feel centered (or free) enough to blast on through. "set and setting" are not to be trifled with, of course.

swim confirms that dmt is absolutely the most exquisite of the dozen odd psychedelics he's done. he has seen the crysanthemum, and channeled rippling, shimmering, energy fields through his body. no entities yet, haven't tried it with an MAOI yet either, that WILL TAKE SOME HUGE BALLS.

the most common response from subjects (in swim's experience) after smoking dmt was "Beeeeaaauuutiful." out of perhaps 50 odd subjects, only two were observed to have difficulty. one had recently eaten a burrito, and proceeded to vomit it up while twitching on the floor unresponsive. the subject was turned on his side, and became responsive after 5 minutes or so. he was not able to describe the experience. the other subject had no substantial experience with acid or mushrooms, though he claimed to have smoked 5meo-dmt a number of times. after smoking dmt he became trapped in a behavior loop- first he would scream, then pull his tongue, then pat his thighs with both hands, then roll over once on the ground. he repeated this loop 15+ times, rolling over the smoldering embers of a old fire while totally unaware. i think he was eating dirt too. the loop stopped after a few minutes, though a half hour afterwards was spent calming and reassure the subject. he claimed not to feel "back to normal" until the next day.

in light of this i recommend that potential subjects have prior experience with altered states/tripping, the loss of control/orientation is too rapid and profound for someone who has no practice with such.

it has been recommended to me to keep a bowl of water near while your friend is smoking dmt. if your friend "goes up too fast, leaving their body and forgetting to breathe" you can flick a spray of water onto their face. this may reestablish the connection to the body, so that they start breathing. otherwise, it may be possible to hold them near and breathe next to them, using the rise and fall of your chest to trigger a similar response. failing that i would use standard CPR as needed. there is a report in Tihkal (forget if it's dmt or 5meo) where the subject required resussicitation, twice.

still i would not consider dmt a harmful drug, simply one that must be respected. and at lower dosages, it is not so frightening. of course swim is always encouraging people to take as bit a hit as they can, and to hold it all in.... zzziiipppp. Shocked

MargaretThatcher · Wed May 25, 2005 4:08 am

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Sandmeyer · Wed May 25, 2005 2:22 pm

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

** takes a deep breath, to ensure he is well inflated for the following words **

tom-a-rom: Sure, I've got nothing better to do that to blast my brain with 50mg's DMT, just because someone tells me consume a good part of my stash and to smoke'em at once... Rolling Eyes