Pepper to make MDMA?

[malvaxman]

Has anyone here yet used black pepper to make MDMA on at least a medium scale? With which result?
Is sassafras-oil possible to buy OTC in South-East Asia,
where should i look then?

Thank you for your answers.

[Rhodium]

I don't know of anyone trying out black pepper as a MDMA precursor in reality yet, but the theoretical details can be found at my page.

Sassafras oil is available from several asian vendors, name the country and I'll give you a few hints in a PM.

[PrimoPyro]

do u mean the piperonal to mdma route? pepper is cheapo cheapo... good luck.
Of COURSE we don't know what we're doing! That's why it's called research!  (boom...)    

[Rhodium]

Piperine (found in black pepper) can be oxidized to piperonal (3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde), which can be converted to MDMA.

[obituary]

obit knows a bee who has reported success all the way throught the amination.  small scale though- ~2g final product.  but it does work!

[tomjuan]

Doesn't black pepper contain a small amount of safrole as well? Like 0.6 - 1.0%? The synths I have seen always extract the piperine and convert it to piperonal. The one I am looking at right now got 1 gram of piperonal from 100g of black pepper, and it took a lot of time and effort. But if pepper really has a 0.6%-1.0% safrole content, they could have gotten almost a gram of safrole from the same 100g of black pepper, presumably with less time and trouble.

Any thoughts on this?

[Rhodium]

Is there a detailed writeup of this pepper -> piperonal available, other than the one by "The Cook" on my page?

[tomjuan]

The one by "the cook" is the only one I have seen any details about. I have seen a usenet thread that had that same write-up as well as some responses about succeful and failed attempts. Apparently, over oxidation was the main mistake made in the attempts. I'll see if I have that whole thread saved somewhere so I can post it for everyone.

[obituary]

report that obit received yeilded around 3-5g piperonal/ 100g pepper- obit thinks that isn't too bad.  not anything to get excited about, but what the heck.

[cheesie]

my results were very similar! around 4grams of piperonal in relation to 100grams of pepper.It is a good source especially after several rxns a nite!
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[obituary]

Hey Cheese- obit was referring to you. duh.

[cheesie]

ooooppps! how embarrising!hehe oh well secrets out now, i'll have to do a write up for the bees (god i hate write ups i always fuck up on them then get flamed to shite)
On my next run down i will write up all i dreamed then post it in the newbee section okie cokie!obit you will get first crack at the write up so u can look over it!oh and u 2 rhodium or who ever is the moderator on this forum!
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[tomjuan]

Okay, so I guess that clears it up - but I have a related question (assuming the department of agriculture is correct about the safrole content). If I extract the pirerine with ethanol, is there safrole in my extract as well? Or would the safrole need to be gotten at by a diffrent method?

[cheesie]

pirerine?
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[obituary]

is safrole soluble in ethanol?- then that's your answer.

[tomjuan]

yes, piperine - it is the alkaloid in black pepper that piperonal is allegedly derived from. The methods I have seen take the route:

Pepper -> Piperine -> Piperic Acid -> Piperonal

But I am every bit as a interested in the safrole. No one has had experience extracting safrole from black pepper?

[tomjuan]

Allegedly it IS soluble in ethanol. However, that method of extraction doesn't seemed to be used when extracting safrole from sassafras root bark - all the literature seems to recommend steam distillation.

[cheesie]

sorry i though you called it pirerine earlier on! never done the pepper synth for saffrole so i can't hlp on that score.
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[tomjuan]

oh oops - you are right - I did. Sorry for the typo.

[cheesie]

thats cool like i said watch out for my write up in the newbee section or do u all want it in here?
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