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Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« on: February 07, 2010, 02:46:33 PM »
Greetings guys,

I Did go under the name of Amphetamine Chemist. But lost my password. :p

I Wanted to make a thread that summarizes the manufacture of phenylacetone in full. You see. I See all of these threads on this site, of so much complexity, but what about for the newbies like me and others? We don't have 40 thousand dollar lab equipment to become molecular chefs. Creating the most fine and exotic spices. All we want to do is simply manufacture phenylacetone and then turn it into good old piss.

3 Things a person needs to manufacture phenylacetone :

Benzene
Chloroacetone
Anhydrous Aluminum Chloride

What? That's all? 3 Simple little chemicals that can be manufactured in bulk. Holy shit! I Want them. So how do we acquire them? It would be impossible for any government to control them, and even if they did, they exist so plentiful in nature, that making them would be an ease. Once you have phenylacetone you can easily make amphetamine by various methods that are well known. Even the simple 1 pot synthesis with 30% ammonia solution sounds good to me.... Or of course if you want to spend the rest of your life in prison you can make a commercial hydrogenation chamber, assuming you have a ramney nickel catalyst and hydrogen gas....

What chemical supplier will sell you all those chemicals? And what prices are involved? Further more, what lab equipment? Anyone wanna post pictures of them synthesizing phenylacetone through friedel-crafts? That would be handy for us guys. Cheers.
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 03:45:52 PM »
Have you actually done this synthesis, because if you have you wouldn't be touting it as being the Holy Grail of p2p syntheses   :(  Chloroacetone is a watched chemical and a lachrymator that has caused members that attempted to synthesize it without proper safety equipment to become very ill  >:(  Benzene is a carcinogen as well, and the massive amount of HCl produced during this reaction is rather corrosive too  :P  Just because Uncle Fester says it's so great is no reason to think that's true, he's never done the reaction and really doesn't know much about it   ;)  Pictures are evidence so forget about that  8)
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 04:41:14 PM »
Look in this book page 148 for chloroacetine synthesis :
http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/the_war_gases.pdf
and utfse more about friedel -crafts reaction
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 04:55:17 PM »
Thanks for posting that POSEIDON. Unbelievible. It has confirmed what i thought but never tested. That chloroacetone does indeed form an addition product with sodium metabilsuphite! I Knew that it would. Being a ketone and all.. I Wonder if this would be a good way to purify chloroacetone then?? Hmm.. Since bisulfite does indeed purify ketones.... As a general rule of thumb....
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 05:07:35 PM »
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I Wanted to make a thread that summarizes the manufacture of phenylacetone in full.

Already done for you  ;D

http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,225.0.html
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/phenylacetone.html

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What chemical supplier will sell you all those chemicals? And what prices are involved? Further more, what lab equipment?

You're kidding?  Be more resourceful.  There's no good reason to be going through chem houses to get to meth.  It's already uncontrollable, haven't you noticed?


Making amphetamines is a basic test in cleverness.  If tweekers can figure it out, so can you.  Hell, a trip to Home Depot and Walgreen's will net you a gram or two.  How you go about it is all completely dependent on situation, scale, and competency.


As for the friedel-crafts method, I would highly recommend going with bromoacetone and aluminum bromide.  The yields are still low, and the intermediates are hazardous and nasty.  So read, read, read.  :)
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 05:15:55 PM »
LOL timecube. You make me laugh. What you say is true. I Agree. I Am a clever person. Really. No. Honestly. I Got 90% on my final examination score in highschool, believe me or not. But i am intelligent. And i agree with you about the basic test in cleverness. In making amphetamine. As for going to Home Depot and Walgreen's well please do enlighten me. Because last time i checked they don't sell raw phenylacetone or pseudoephedrine chem-grade on the shelves of those stores? Unless you mean making dope out of cat litter. But that's for losers. Guys like me and you are more interested in making the real deal. The golden shit. The good piss. The skunk!

More precisely. I Am interested in the manufacture of phenylacetone through friedel crafts. And that is ultimately what this thread is about. That specific synthesis alone. It is the synthesis i am most interested in. And i feel it is the synthesis which is the most promising for everybody. Including newbies. Due to the virtually unlimited supply of raw ingredients(think about it, you can't deny it) and what have you. I Have been meaning to do this for a while now. And am happy that i have. :D

Questions which need answers:

Best way to manufacture phenylacetone through this method. Apparatus construction. And tweaking of apparatus for maximum cost efficiency and safety, this is a thread that specializes in the friedel-crafts reaction to manufacture phenylacetone through Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene with chlorine and anhydrous ammonium chloride as the catalyst. While i don't intend to go through the precursor acquisition aspect of the reaction(thats for the other forum) and another project. This project primarily is designed to make an easy way for people such as myself to manufacture phenylacetone and then turn it into amphetamine. It's as simple as that really!!!!!!!!
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 05:37:47 PM »
Just an idea, but:

Working with chloro/bromo/iodoacetone is messy and dangerous. These compounds can be produces easily, they don't react with water and because of the halogen atom, they can be reacted easily with something else....
Maybe it would be good for us to turn the haloacetone to the corresponding amine with an ammonia solution. This could be diazotated and woala, we coluld react it with benzene. Nitrogen gas will evolve and the acetone will go on the aromatic ring.


Has anyone got any reference for this? Maybe it would be worth to try it, because the friedel crafts method with chloroacetone/benzene has a killing yield.

Actually I have no chemistry books/chemicals at home, because I had some trouble.... So, can anyone post a reference for this? In my head, the reaction works great, but I think somewhere is a big problem in the equalization.

Imine formation will take place, forget the idea. Maybe with 1 chloro 2 propanole, but that would be also a long synth.........
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 07:01:56 PM »
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As for going to Home Depot and Walgreen's well please do enlighten me.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/phenylacetone.html#ephedrine


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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 07:51:39 PM »
For now i think we will keep this thread aimed at P2P production rather than pseudoephedrine... P2p is better.. :D By way of  Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene.
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 08:51:12 PM »
Do not mention any chemical suppliers.
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 09:35:09 PM »
That is P2P production 8)

The main problem with the Friedel-Crafts is the 30% yield.  Given, the reagents are cheap, but it needs improvement.

Pretty much everything you could need to get started is out there, though. 

Stop by SM and look for recommended glass makers.  Pick up a distillation kit, scales, hotplate/stirrer, vol. cylinders, any special glass you need, good safety equipment, etc.  Get what you actually need, and don't try to cut corners, at least until you know what you're doing.  Read the MSDS for everything you will be working with, especially safety precautions.

I assume you're getting into this as a financial endeavor given that meth is just about the most boring phenethylamine there is.  If you do it long enough, you will get caught.  If you involve too many people, you will get caught.  If you try to handle too much of your low level distribution, you will get caught.  I really like Spice's advice on PN of making as much as you think you're going to need for your purposes, then destroying all traces of a lab, and distributing it all to one or two people you know you can trust.

A final note is that this isn't 2C-B.  Meth is a potent neurotoxin, much more so than MDMA.  It's up to you to decide what that means to you and how much your customers deserve to know.  At the very least make sure your final product is clean so none of your clients ends up on Oprah with a tube shoved down her throat from snorting drain cleaner.

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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 04:36:27 AM »
Not really a financial endeavour to be honest. As much as i would like it to be. It's more a personal thing. Although what i am aiming at is a project. I Want to make a project, that attempts to make an easy apparatus for Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene. This is a project much like the 'portable meth lab' kind of thing... Except it doesn't involve pseudoephedrine. It involves the manufacture of P2P by way of Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene.

Let me ask you something. How do you obtain pseudoephedrine in your country? Pharmacy? Do you have to give ID and drivers license? In the US you do. Where i live. In my state at least. Furthermore, there is no other easy way to obtain pseudoephedrine. Apart from if you smuggle it in. Which is difficult. I Am aware that countries like china and india manufacture hundred thousand tons or more of pseudoephedrine each year. But i don't really want to smuggle it in. As far as i am concerned, for somebody in the US or the UK. The manufacture of amphetamine is best achieved by way of P2P through rather than pseudoephedrine due to the controlled nature of pseudoephedrine, and the fact that unless you have an ephedra plantation, it's very difficult to obtain in huge amounts. As you said benzene, chloroacetone and anhydrous aluminium chloride are all very reasonably simple chemicals. Which are obtainable in bulk quantities. And very much so uncontrolled. And even if they where controlled, or can more or less be manufactured with ease, and tracked down. I'll follow your advice, and keep track of progess through this thread. In the meantime, i encourage others interested in the Friedel-Crafts alkylation of benzene to comment regarding there successes and attempts and what not. I'll post pics if i can......
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 05:30:16 AM »
Ventilator we are not concerned with what you want to do with the phenylacetone so if you would please do not tell us. You bring liability onto us and yourself by doing so.
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 02:09:54 PM »
Thanks guys i'll take all of the info into account. Cheersereto.
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 03:06:58 PM »
I thought this was ment to be a guide isont he supposed to be telling us all of this ?  ???

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 12:11:25 PM »
I thought this was ment to be a guide isont he supposed to be telling us all of this ?  ???

True. I Should be. But since i have never carried out an amphetamine reaction i can't. I Was meant this thread to be a guide written by others for people such as myself, i have moved on now however. Got myself some more equipment and basic shit. Hopefully i'll be able to make a guide for everyone within 4 months he he he..

Specifically i want to make a guide with pictures regarding phenylacetone synthesis for people.. As that is more important than amphetamine synthesis right now.. You cant make amphetamine without phenylacetone.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 01:09:25 PM »
Specifically i want to make a guide with pictures regarding phenylacetone synthesis for people..[/quot

I am afraid you are in the wrong site for this my friend maby you should be with the rest of the tweekers on WetDreams.

having said that you may find that there are a lot os us that can make p2p already and your write up will be looked at by people with knowllage of how it is done.

the reaction you have submited to us sucks and is not worth even looking at.

my opinion if you want to do this listen to lugh he will not lie to you.

as for sedit he is right this is for people interested in other chemistry or this place would be called wetdreams the second  ;D

thankyou please come again.

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 02:14:21 PM »
Specifically i want to make a guide with pictures regarding phenylacetone synthesis for people..[/quot

I am afraid you are in the wrong site for this my friend maby you should be with the rest of the tweekers on WetDreams.

having said that you may find that there are a lot os us that can make p2p already and your write up will be looked at by people with knowllage of how it is done.

the reaction you have submited to us sucks and is not worth even looking at.

my opinion if you want to do this listen to lugh he will not lie to you.

as for sedit he is right this is for people interested in other chemistry or this place would be called wetdreams the second  ;D

thankyou please come again.

Haha. What you say is true to a certain extent. I Admit that there are alot of experienced phenylacetone/amphetamine cooks out there. But that's beside the point, the fact that you can cook phenylacetone is your achievment - good for you. But so could anyone. Tell me this. The people in wet-dreams, why are they there? Because they can't do chemistry? Or because they have been unable to obtain the precursor chems? The reaction that i 'submitted' to you is not shit, it is not poor, and it is worth looking at by anyone involved in amphetamine chemistry. You are an elitist pig. And that's not meant as a put-down, it's meant as a pity. Nor do i hate you. I Think your a good person and if anything i'd admire you for your achievments. But attempting to put me down because i submit a reaction your not fancied with is just plain childish.

Right now i don't have any equipment. But i will soon buy some. And then the sky is the limit. If you want to attempt advanced theoretical amphetamine-analog synthesis's then good for you. But so do i. But wait. You have a major chem lab at your disposal, right? And an account at sigma-aldrich to buy any chemicals you want, well guess what, i don't. And so i attempt to look at things on a simpler level.
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Re: Poor Bastards Guide To Making Amphetamine / Phenylacetone
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 09:02:03 PM »
You cant make amphetamine without phenylacetone.

Nonsence...

This is the point I believe alice was trying to make. We would like discussion on chemistry as most sites of this nature are product oriented where as a small amount of chemical knowledge will open peoples eyes in seeing that cook books are not the way. They are if anything the enemy because its there fault you can't just walk into the store and buy some iodine and red phosphorus along with your sudafed and go home and make yourself some medication.

Amphetamines can be made from a variety of compounds not just the ketone. Identify the basic structure and look at the various compounds that could get you there thru functional group manipulation. In the case of P2P you are attempting to convert a ketone into an amine. In the case of things like Bromo safrole you are trying to convert a halo function into an amine. Then you have the nitro groups ect...

P2P is not a requirment by far and most methods such as this which where made infamous sometime ago will be much more difficult then what can be had from a little chemical knowledge.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 10:27:23 PM »
I think you will find a lot of us at WD are there becouse we have known each other for a very long time. it was a place
to keep intouch when the hive went down.

we offer help to others becouse we feel that somethings should be done properly otherwise there is a risk of
harm to the public.

as for your crafts reaction what eva dude none of us know and none of us have tried it.

thats why every one is using it.

next im going to hear all about acetone being banned in asia again becouse of the manganese condensation.

I come here becouse if the interesting chem that gets posted here not to spew out a heap of amphetamine related

information that is not realy needed.

when you do go to the site I sujested you will see I dont ask for help with synthesis.
you might understand what I mean when you read some of my posts :)