It took about 45 minutes until the first effects were felt. The peak had a very, very gradual come-up, not at all like the HCl salt which hits all at once like a ton of bricks. The peak had a more psychedelic headspace than the HCl salt and open eye visuals were experienced. The open eye visuals seemed to occur the most with colored light but not at all in the typical mdma fashion. A lit candle had a flicker that really showed how pronounced and deep the colors had become. An iTunes visualizer was used and it was absolutely captivating. Typically on MDMA HCl swim could care less about a visualizer and just likes led’s, glowsticks, etc. However swim was seeing patterns within the patterns that were not actually there. There this one visualization that shows what looks like planets with streaks of lights going around it and one other person said they kept seeing faces in the visualization. This same person likened the headspace to that of MDA but more mellow. Swim found himself going between two states, the first being closed eyes while feeling the euphoria and the second being “phasing out” while looking at an object just like on a psychedelic. The longer one phased out on an object the more the visuals became pronounced, again just like on a psychedelic. The object would lose its outline and “smear” into the background then the shade of the color would change ever so slightly, sometimes the outline, things that are typically found to happen on the come-up of a hallucinogen.
A couple lightshows were given with led's and typically on MDMA HCl the lights look extra bright and crisp and streak like crazy almost like they're cutting through the air. However with MDMA Citrate the led's were literally colored circular orbs, soft glowing lights that looked like spheres which gracefully floated through the air. The colored lights was much more deep and soft with a warmth to them as opposed to the extra bright appearance they have with MDMA HCl. This same exact visual effect was noted by two people (the other two people had their eyes closed and were not paying attention to the lightshow). There was no tight-jaw but a controllable nystagmus was present which started with the eyes starting to roll back during the waves of euphoria. Some empathy was present but it was much less pronounced than what's typically felt on MDMA, in fact the urge to talk or relate was not there due to more of a stoning effect however talking came easy and empathy was indeed felt. The high itself was still wavy like MDMA HCl however the waves seemed to be a lot more gradual. The rush of MDMA HCl was not present and while some love and empathy was present, it was not forceful. In fact you almost had to bring it up yourself mentally in a psychedelic-style manner. So it was not forceful at all, the default feeling was a relaxing gentle euphoria and the high itself had more of an enjoyable stoning effect. One of the people compared the fuzzy euphoria almost to that of an opiate, whereas in swim's opinion it felt almost more like MDE. The overall experience lasted 5-6 hours, the first 3 hours being the euphoric peak with the last 2-3 hours consisting of a mellow stimulation. The stimulation was quite mild, everyone looked sedated in the eyes yet the way everyone would talk showed that they had a little tweek behind them. But again this stimulation was pretty mild and wore off quick enough to sleep easy. The duration was a lot like MDE except with a stimulation at the end. The euphoric peak did seem a little short-lived and seemed the peak plateau only lasted an hour or so then began to very slowly taper off in the form of waves. Picture a slope which very gradually comes down but within that slope are very gradual, gentle waves, that would be swim’s description. The "want" to re-dose was much less pronounced than when you start to come down off MDMA HCl, I think this was because it had less of that strong rush in combination with it being so gradual that there's no sharp drop-off. The comedown did not have any “oh shit” moments you get when the love/rush of MDMA HCl wears off. Instead it was more of a “sobering up” like coming down from a weed high. The mellow stimulation afterwards still left swim relaxed with a slight stoned feeling but did feel more stimulated than during the peak. This mild stimulation part of the experience lasted about 3 hours. After the full 6 hours or so, sleep came very easy. Typically on pure MDMA HCl sleep comes very easy for swim as well once down however with MDMA HCl the sleep usually only lasts a few hours at most and is filled with great visual dreams, swim then wakes up after only a few hours feeling well rested. The entire day-after with MDMA HCl has a strong glow. Half-way through that next day after MDMA HCl swim will take 1-2 naps then have no trouble falling asleep at the proper time the following night for a regular night’s sleep. With the MDMA Citrate it was entirely different, a full night's rest was had which was about 8 hours. Everybody got 8+ hours of sleep and reported the ease of going to sleep. Everyone woke up fully refreshed with no hangover or lack of energy. The next day, no naps were needed, no exhaustion set in, and there were fleeting moments of a day-after glow with were quite pleasant.
In a nutshell, imagine time-release MDA but with the sedative mellow feeling and stoning-type high of MDE in place of the rush of MDMA or stimulation of MDA. A ~3 hour euphoria followed by a ~3 hour mild stimulation. This was a very, very interesting experience and swim is very grateful to have been given this opportunity to try a novel variation of one of swim’s favorite compounds.
A couple lightshows were given with led's and typically on MDMA HCl the lights look extra bright and crisp and streak like crazy almost like they're cutting through the air. However with MDMA Citrate the led's were literally colored circular orbs, soft glowing lights that looked like spheres which gracefully floated through the air. The colored lights was much more deep and soft with a warmth to them as opposed to the extra bright appearance they have with MDMA HCl. This same exact visual effect was noted by two people (the other two people had their eyes closed and were not paying attention to the lightshow). There was no tight-jaw but a controllable nystagmus was present which started with the eyes starting to roll back during the waves of euphoria. Some empathy was present but it was much less pronounced than what's typically felt on MDMA, in fact the urge to talk or relate was not there due to more of a stoning effect however talking came easy and empathy was indeed felt. The high itself was still wavy like MDMA HCl however the waves seemed to be a lot more gradual. The rush of MDMA HCl was not present and while some love and empathy was present, it was not forceful. In fact you almost had to bring it up yourself mentally in a psychedelic-style manner. So it was not forceful at all, the default feeling was a relaxing gentle euphoria and the high itself had more of an enjoyable stoning effect. One of the people compared the fuzzy euphoria almost to that of an opiate, whereas in swim's opinion it felt almost more like MDE. The overall experience lasted 5-6 hours, the first 3 hours being the euphoric peak with the last 2-3 hours consisting of a mellow stimulation. The stimulation was quite mild, everyone looked sedated in the eyes yet the way everyone would talk showed that they had a little tweek behind them. But again this stimulation was pretty mild and wore off quick enough to sleep easy. The duration was a lot like MDE except with a stimulation at the end. The euphoric peak did seem a little short-lived and seemed the peak plateau only lasted an hour or so then began to very slowly taper off in the form of waves. Picture a slope which very gradually comes down but within that slope are very gradual, gentle waves, that would be swim’s description. The "want" to re-dose was much less pronounced than when you start to come down off MDMA HCl, I think this was because it had less of that strong rush in combination with it being so gradual that there's no sharp drop-off. The comedown did not have any “oh shit” moments you get when the love/rush of MDMA HCl wears off. Instead it was more of a “sobering up” like coming down from a weed high. The mellow stimulation afterwards still left swim relaxed with a slight stoned feeling but did feel more stimulated than during the peak. This mild stimulation part of the experience lasted about 3 hours. After the full 6 hours or so, sleep came very easy. Typically on pure MDMA HCl sleep comes very easy for swim as well once down however with MDMA HCl the sleep usually only lasts a few hours at most and is filled with great visual dreams, swim then wakes up after only a few hours feeling well rested. The entire day-after with MDMA HCl has a strong glow. Half-way through that next day after MDMA HCl swim will take 1-2 naps then have no trouble falling asleep at the proper time the following night for a regular night’s sleep. With the MDMA Citrate it was entirely different, a full night's rest was had which was about 8 hours. Everybody got 8+ hours of sleep and reported the ease of going to sleep. Everyone woke up fully refreshed with no hangover or lack of energy. The next day, no naps were needed, no exhaustion set in, and there were fleeting moments of a day-after glow with were quite pleasant.
In a nutshell, imagine time-release MDA but with the sedative mellow feeling and stoning-type high of MDE in place of the rush of MDMA or stimulation of MDA. A ~3 hour euphoria followed by a ~3 hour mild stimulation. This was a very, very interesting experience and swim is very grateful to have been given this opportunity to try a novel variation of one of swim’s favorite compounds.