Author Topic: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?  (Read 270 times)

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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2011, 01:37:37 AM »
Sorry jon, I don't swing that way, besides, my other half would no doubt disapprove :p

But yeah, that botched MPPP synthesis did a real number on the users, after short period of use, the MPTP contaminated product started causing shaking of the extremities, rapidly progressing to near total immobility, lack of ability to speak or swallow, mentally perfectly alert and aware, just locked in their own bodies, as a drooling, paralyzed mess.

Doctors at first thought they were looking at end-stage parkinson's, in a subject that had had the disease for decades. Poor bastards couldn't even take a shit on their own.

You fuck up with one of those prodine reverse esters and get the dehydration product, your life, or what is left of it, isn't going to be worth living, end result is getting left as an mute, immobile drool monkey.
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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2011, 01:39:49 AM »
the worst thing imaginable can't even commit suicide i don't know how i would deal with that.
put me in the garage and start the car damnit!!!

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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2011, 01:41:05 AM »
How to deal with it?

Nothing much left except sit there and hope to choke to death on your own saliva sooner rather than later.

Only way I would touch any of those drugs is after long and extensive high-dose bioassay trials on a large cohort of muslims before dosing, after letting at least a month of constant dosing be observed in the test rodents. In fact, I wouldn't try the stuff even thorough testing on vermin, as a lack of parkinsonian symptoms wouldn't preclude the presence of mere traces of MPTP (or homologs thereof) causing (at the time) subclinical damage to the substantia nigra.

Testing on standard lab animals wouldn't work, even if it wasn't inhumane, rats aren't affected by MPTP, possibly due to lower amounts of MAO-b in the murine brain, mice do lose nerve tissue in the substantia nigra but apparently fail to develop parkinsonian symptoms. Primates are responsive, but testing on a sentient animal would be unforgiveably cruel.
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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2011, 01:43:42 AM »
sooner the better i've been in poor health like that, and if it had to go on in perpetuity there is only one solution to that problem.

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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2011, 01:53:33 AM »
h**p://www.btscene.com/details/1690242/

Torrent link to the video documentary about users who got fucked by MPTP.

Eventually some of them were helped, I think in some cases tissue grafts were used, in others deep brain stimulation was used.
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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2011, 02:02:04 AM »
honestly all i can say is they cranked the heat up on it using h2so4 as a catalyst
i've used h2so4 too works fine but never thought to myself "oh let me run this at 150C"
no problems.

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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2011, 02:13:47 AM »
The rxn MUST be run cold, as cold as possible, otherwise the intermediate alcohol dehydrates to lose propionic acid, leaving one with MPTP.

Not sure if small amounts are produced regardless, but the hotter it gets, the more MPTP gets produced.
Not worth it in my opinion, there are so many other opiates one could produce instead that don't entail the risk of producing something that is going to leave you a vegetable if you fuck up.
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Re: Mechanism of MPTP formation during MPPP synthesis?
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2011, 02:17:21 AM »
well see now that is why you use process #2 i used sodium acetate instead i'm fairly confident there are'nt too many protons swimming around in that soup.