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Re: How to Grow Phalaris Arundinacea
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 10:19:32 PM »
I'm not sure why one less carbon would amount to such a disparity in solubilities Vesp, but this below from  Endlessness at the Nexus makes a pretty compelling case.

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Limonene pulls and vinegar saltings are very selective to DMT and do NOT pull hordenine nor gramine (they do pull gramine but only in trace amounts)

The Yugo red phalaris, which previously with pure methanol soak showed to have a ratio of 2.1: 90.3: 65.2 of DMT:Hordenine:Gramine, when done an acqueous basic solution with sodium carb, pulled with limonene, salted with vinegar and made paste of acetates with sodium carb (and pulled with alcohol to analyze), showed to instead, have a ratio of 67:0(undetected):1 of DMT:Hordenine:Gramine.

Here's the comparison of both TIC:

When doing the same kind of limo extract from Big Medicine, which had a significant amount of hordenine (though no gramine), again it only showed with mostly DMT but no hordenine at all, so hordenine is even less soluble in limo.

In any case early next year I should be getting some gramine and hordenine standards to check with pure substances for solubility.

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Re: How to Grow Phalaris Arundinacea
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2012, 10:37:53 PM »
Wow very nice. :)
Can't argue with results, but it is strange to me that one less carbon would make any difference at all - even if it is a fairly small molecule.

It is saying that the original amount had 2.1 of DMT for 155.5 Gramine + hordenine? So you'd need essentially 157.6 grams of alkalioids just to get a theoretical max of 2.1 grams of DMT?  Jeez... Apparently Yugo red phalaris doesn't have shit DMT-alkaloid wise, right?
Other strains of phalaris are better, such as the normal green wild type, right? Or is Yugo red phalaris supposed to be one of the better?

Sorry, haven't really read much about the strains of phalaris, and it seems like the info people provide on it, for the most part, is qualitative/vague.

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Re: How to Grow Phalaris Arundinacea
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 11:27:39 PM »
I think most of the info is vague because so little research has been done on this so far, and most who have lack access to any kind of sophisticated analytics. :-\

From what scant information is available, there seems to be a lot of variability b/w the different strains, and even within the same strain depending on growing conditions, time of harvest, stresses etc

I agree, Yugo red doesn't seem very promising, but from what I have read AQ1 and Big Medicine have much much higher yields.

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Re: How to Grow Phalaris Arundinacea
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 07:30:45 PM »
I can't believe all it took was limonene, how was this not discovered earlier? Limonene isn't that new I just can't believe this is the first time positive results have been seen with it. The amount of DMT isn't the best but this stuff is grass and the wheat juicer method and then limonene  shouldn't make this too hard. I would love to hear more results for this, thank you so much for finding that on the nexus, I wasn't aware of that thread.

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Re: How to Grow Phalaris Arundinacea
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2012, 08:07:12 PM »
I would love to see a grass to DMT crystal write-up using these methods.
I know the grass gets a lot of people interested in a DMT extraction, but they are often turned away by the issues it sounds like were addressed and solved here...
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