Author Topic: Sedit: Himself, him, he, them, and others (Read 287 times)

Sedit · « **Reply #20 on:** December 31, 2010, 03:02:22 AM »

Quote from: jon on December 24, 2010, 01:19:00 AM

why not use unconventional stimulants they all work the same way

Normally the unconventional pretty much sucks. Its best to stick with what has worked for decades if not millennia if not for the fact that with in the relatively last few decades someone who thought they where smarter then the rest of the world decided it would be better if all drugs where illegal... Gotta see how this works out for them fools!

jon · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2011, 02:25:47 AM »

drugs are illegal to those who can't afford a defense attorney.

TheChemist · « **Reply #22 on:** January 01, 2011, 05:11:27 AM »

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People didn't hear about every tom dick and harry that got tortured etc, they didn't have access to instant information. I wasn't using it as a defense of anything it's just a theory of mine gleaned from research and experience. There were studies which showed that chemically our bodies respond to imagined threats as well as real ones. So kids playing violent video games are getting their flight or fight response going. It doesn't even matter if the game is violent or not, it can still get the HPA going. Movies can too.

I believe that when bad things happened to people pre modern society they had lots of physical labor to work off the chemicals circulating after that near brush with a rattle snake or whatever. Now the kids just sit all the time and the chemicals which have ramped up to do battle have no where to go and don't get metabolized the way it was designed to. So yeah we've been designed to live in a dangerous world, but we're fucking with things because we don't use our bodies the way they were designed.

And yeah food only helps so far. Part of the problem of feeling hopeless is the sheer volume of problems we are presented with in a typical day of reading newspaper & tv etc (I don't do either). We feel overwhelmed because they are so large in scope and even the small local ones can't be fixed or helped because of lawyers and their BS.

I found out our psych gets something like 86K a year in speakers fees from the drug companies. I don't let them prescribe me anything unless I'm sure I want to take it and have checked it out carefully. Don't trust any of them.

i liked your post, and ur thinking

salat · « **Reply #23 on:** January 01, 2011, 04:05:46 PM »

"they all work the same way"

Actually they don't all work the same way and not even have consistent effects across people. xBee is weird like that - stimulants relax him - his brain runs backwards or something.

I've found herbals that are often advertised for stress and as adaptogens that might work just fine for normal people but play hell with ptsd. Once the system is thoroughly out of wach things don't work the same way. We're finely tuned machines and when you mess with systems as complex as the human being you are just asking for trouble.

Back to the orginal post - is there anyone else out there aware of their alter egos - I hate to mention that kind of thing on this board given the game playing with multiple names that can happen. What I mean is more fundamental. Someone somewhere decided we are a single personality - with distinct traits that can be measured and repeated etc. But in reality we have more than one personality and just aren't aware of the shifts. There is a lot of programming and adaption that takes place. Where you may notice the difference most distinctly is things like at work vs at home, wife or husband vs being a mother or father. I kept looking for something that was consistent that I could call a single self and couldn't find it. I pushed the boundaries looking for something called a core set of values and found that in the end there are none.

At first we deliberately created alternate selves to play with each other (xBee and I) and deliberately used cues and programming to return ourselves to those "ego states" when we chose to. After you experience things like that it helps you to become more aware of the shifts that take place automatically. Trauma can create them as well as just normal adaptions - what you have to do to "make it" in the work place for example becomes a split off personality or ego state. It causes major problems when the boundaries blur. Ever get an unexpected call from work when you were really into something at home? Notice how weird it feels or notice how your words, tone of voice and body language change when you shift into that work mode.

Whew - what I get for cooking all night!!

Salat

TheChemist · « **Reply #24 on:** January 01, 2011, 05:51:09 PM »

we create our alters to protect as , even they may be more smarter or stronger than we are in reality ; we may induce our delusion and hallucination just to satisfy our needs and cover our defects .... i like being DID.

Oerlikon · « **Reply #25 on:** January 01, 2011, 07:30:15 PM »

Where did my post go?!
Oh well...will write it again!

I wouldn't call that other personalities,alter egos,delusions...
It adaptation and it's natural to all living things!
Even animals do so!

We "crazy" and intelligent people are just more aware of thought
processing and contradictory situation of adaptation process.
That confuses us and leads us to encanted circle of madness.
Drugs are great catalyst for that!
I understand why some people think that weed and psychedelics can make you crazy.
Ti doesn't,it makes you more aware,you make yourself crazy!

hyza_kite · « **Reply #26 on:** January 18, 2011, 07:33:38 PM »

Sometimes, with bipolar disorder, it seems the only continuous thread connecting one's various different states is that you have to deal with the memory and consequences of the disparate and sometimes wholly contradictory behavior and thought processes. It can be rather odd and frustrating, especially when in retrospect you think you've pretty much been "the village idiot" as you so well put it, lol.
A large spoonful of self-depreciative humor and detachment from fluctuating mind-states helps the medicine of self-reflection go down a little easier for me

jon · « **Reply #27 on:** January 19, 2011, 08:42:31 AM »

that's the problem in those manic states there were months i did'nt remember jack shit, bits and pieces bipolar disease is some weird shit.

hypnos · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:19:21 AM »

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I agree food causes a lot of both physical and mental problems as does the culture we live in. I have a book called "Chemistry of Joy" that talks in simplistic terms about foods and their influence on each neurotransmitter system, it helped me 5 years ago when I needed to get off effexor and get rid of type II diabetes.

thats great yo hear,, as well as demonstrating' the power of "the fuels we put in our 'bioreactors' If Im REALLY hungry, and ther's ONLY shit fast food to eat....I wont eat,,i'll just keep hydrated until I can eat....macca's literally makes me sick!!!- as for mcg amounts of ALMOST anything..,..I'll give it a go.....CAREFULLY!

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I believe that when bad things happened to people pre modern society they had lots of physical labor to work off the chemicals circulating after that near brush with a rattle snake or whatever. No 8)ve been designed to live in a dangerous world, but we're fucking with things because we don't use our bodies the way they were designed

IMO (and I'm not a gamer) that is of one THE BEST 'alternative INSIGHTS' that I have EVER heard regarding "the problems being seen associated with Extreme online gaming"
that is a great POV to share and I for one,thank you

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Materialistic world and hopelessness to change or do anything important while we are convinced
otherwise in this "beautiful democracy" is also fairly responsible!
Why do you think so many people fanatically believed in totalitarian regimes,fighting to the death for them!?
Because it gave them hope,meaning of life,sense of duty and ability to change things they hated!

Food on other hand might be fairly responsible,
but even people who eat super healthy food,like in my region still go "koo-koo" all the time!

matey another good observation,,now see if you can 'find the links?

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Materialistic world and hopelessness to change or do anything important while we are convinced
otherwise in this "beautiful democracy" is also fairly responsible!
Why do you think so many people fanatically believed in totalitarian regimes,fighting to the death for them!?
Because it gave them hope,meaning of life,sense of duty and ability to change things they hated!

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Materialistic world and hopelessness to change or do anything important while we are convinced
otherwise in this "beautiful democracy" is also fairly responsible!
Why do you think so many people fanatically believed in totalitarian regimes,fighting to the death for them!?
Because it gave them hope,meaning of life,sense of duty and ability to change things they hated

yup! but once they HAD fixed most of what they 'hated',,what then?

hyppy

ps, I like your style

DopeBee · « **Reply #29 on:** January 30, 2011, 11:54:22 PM »

The first hour or so of this movie explains how a lot of mental disorders are a result of childhood and even in utero experiences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

psychexplorer · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:33:26 AM »

Quote from: Oerlikon on December 22, 2010, 12:46:39 AM

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you ever notice a young vibrant president for example goes into office and 1 or 2 years later you see his hair graying and signs of aging?

Most modern president's don't have that much power to change things and reason to go "decay" since they are just marionettes on strings with big salaries.

Dictators and people on positions with great responsibility have more pronounced effect of "decaying".
Stalin is prime example of man decying so much that he died from his fear to be killed.
Hitler is even better example.
Look at him in beginning,you can hate or love it,but he was man with iron will that did back in in 33.'-38.' many great things for peopl that elected him and social reforms that are now golden standard to every modern society(paid vacation,social car...) and after stress ran him over he became old impuslive enbittered irrational man what we know him to be today,unintentionally destroying everything he made,making himself icon of evil in eyes of many.

I totally agree with jon that stress and life conditions that don't alove you to solve it are responsible for many,
if not all mental illnesses.

Interestingly enough, it is strongly suspected that Hitler was shooting meth daily since the late 30's.

For that matter, much of the Nazi war machine was fueled on crank.

It's a shame they weren't running on the 3,4-methylenedioxy variant; human history could have been radically different.

Yet another cautionary tale of a bottomless meth supply, especially for those who can fill their own stashes with limitless amounts sourced cheaply from fully OTC reagents.

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