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Re: L-Tryptophan -> DMT / Others
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2012, 07:23:01 PM »
Being the idiot I am I just read someones experimental here about a test with beta-alanine.
The experimental details did not mention the use of a ketone catalyst, thus it was not employed.
A suitable catalyst is procured and the experiment rerun.

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Re: L-Tryptophan -> DMT / Others
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2012, 10:57:42 PM »
what about tryptophan to indole-3-acetamide indole-3-acetaldehyde then then animating it analogously to mdp2p using dimethylamine opposed to methylamine. 

It seems like it would be easy to get to tryptamine in relatively good amounts, then the problem comes to the point were its being alkylated and you have to avoid pictet-spengler reaction, in acidic conditions,or if the imine forms.  would methyl nitrate work here if someone was searching for dmtizzl?  or would there be problems as well?  sorry I ask so many questions I would just like to understand whats going on. 
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On the subject of DMT from tryptamine
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2012, 11:51:27 PM »
As we all know, the synthesis of DMT from tryptamine via formaldehyde and reducing agent has been discussed ad nauseum with no real results to speak of.  The competing cyclization reaction, the Pictet-Spengler reaction, appears much more kinetically favorable.  Yields have been extremely poor and to my knowledge, have not been quantified.

Sumatriptan is a five substituted sulfonamide analogue of DMT.  This article (scheme 3) shows its synthesis from a tryptamine analogue via a reductive amination with formaldehyde in methanol and H2O, exactly what we're looking for.  Patent here.  I'd love to here some input.  I've heard patents aren't to be trusted, but this one has me licking my lips.

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Re: On the subject of DMT from tryptamine
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 12:13:47 AM »
hp://homepixel.ru/bibl/142_ftp.pdf - Attached

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Tryptamine (1 g, 6.24 mmol, 1.0 eq) was dissolved in 40 mL
ice-cold methanol, followed by the addition of glacial acetic acid
(1.26 g, 21.0 mmol, 1.20 mL, 3.4 eq), sodium cyanoborohydride
(629 mg, 10.0 mmol, 1.6 eq), and left to stir on ice for 5 min. An
aqueous solution of 39% (w/v) formaldehyde (429 mg, 14.3 mmol,
1.1 mL, 2.3 eq) in 10 mL methanol was added dropwise to the
reaction mixture over a period of 20 min. The ice was removed
and the reaction was left to stir for 2.5 h at room temperature.
NaOH (3 mL, 20%) was added and the solvent was removed under
reduced pressure. This was followed by the addition of 20 mL
distilled water and three extractions with 20 mL chloroform.
The combined organic layers were washed once with 20 mL
water and 20 mL brine, dried with MgSO4, and ?ltered. The ?lter
cake was washed twice with 20 mL chloroform with the ?ltrate
evaporated under reduced pressure. The oily residue was dried
over P2O5 overnight to yield 1.169 g of a pale brown waxy solid and
characterized by GC-MS analysis. The standard conditions were
then modi?ed to study the impact of varied reagent stoichiometry
(Table 1). All reactions were carried out in duplicate

Following this general procedure; using ethyl acetate instead of chloroform as is advised against in this document, was produced DiMethylTryptamine which after purification was weighed realizing a 89% yield. The material was assayed using a HPLC instrument. It was found to be less than 3% impure. Impurities believed to be NMT - etc - as per rhodium.
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Re: On the subject of DMT from tryptamine
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 03:23:01 PM »
lol



been there, done that. printed the t-shirt.
even eluted a column with EtOAc:MeOH. the end product was primarily substituted tryptolines.

akcom, with sumatriptan, there's no feasible way to selectively cleave the methylsufonyl moiety
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Re: On the subject of DMT from tryptamine
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2012, 04:23:11 PM »
yep,
this is not possible to achieve using aqueous formalin.
I have even pictet-spengler´ed up 15g good pure tryptaminé last year  :(
In my opinion a sandmeyer reduction on 1-N whateverprotected tryptamine to yield tryptophol, then further procession as usual to give dmt, sounds pretty convenient?

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printed the t-shirt.
pretty cool  ;D
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Re: On the subject of DMT from tryptamine
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2012, 09:13:24 PM »
Since the mechanism of the Pictet-Spengler reaction involves the "attack" of ring electrons at the base of the imine, if Scheme 3 does work, it's probably because the sulfonamide can steal enough electron density to from the ring by induction that the nucleophilic attack is not possible.

That, or there's some serious "known to those of the art" omissions here.

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Re: L-Tryptophan -> DMT / Others
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2012, 02:27:00 AM »
Sulfonamide can steal loads of electron density from indole. But sumatriptan is not a reasonable precursor for anything!

There are other methylating reagents in the world. Tetramethylammonium can methylate amines to the tertiary amine without quaternization. Betaine is similar and more OTC. Dimethyloxalate and dimethylcarbonate are accessible and generally don't overmethylate.

Dequaternization works, too.
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Re: L-Tryptophan -> DMT / Others
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2012, 02:44:53 AM »
Dimethylcarbonate? Does it happen you have references for methylation of amines with it on hands maybe?
Have a quart liter of that stuff here still dont figured out what exactly to do with it ;D
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