mda citrate is good too it does'nt have the jarring stimulation that mda has and it's a longer smoother ride.

that's the point that's how i stay rolling for months sometimes.
the worst i get after all that is a mild depression for a few days.
but the memory loss and cognitive imparment is pronounced after doing so many drugs.
the average consumer does'nt appreciate it.
they think it's bunk, they would'nt know good drugs if you shoved thier faces in it.

that's the point that's how i stay rolling for months sometimes.
the worst i get after all that is a mild depression for a few days.
but the memory loss and cognitive imparment is pronounced after doing so many drugs.
the average consumer does'nt appreciate it.
they think it's bunk, they would'nt know good drugs if you shoved thier faces in it.

Honestly, I almost never feel a hint of depression from pure MDMA...Only happens when I REALLY abuse and get awfully stupid. Even when I actually feel it, it's extremely mild and subtle, especially considering the amount I sometimes consumed, sometimes even for a couple weeks in a row... Got no problem believing you're rolling all-year long

Makes me wonders why the pills I was eating about 3 years ago, before those shitty piperazines started flooding the market (They were clearly MDxx anyway) produced some fucking awful crashs/comedowns/days after ......Didn't really like ecstasy back then because of that...

Roid Rage, how did you go making your citrate crystals?

Didn't bother actually crystallizing it as I only wanted to try it with a friend and I only had finished HCl product around...Formed the citrate salt ON-THE-GO by dissolving about 200mg Hydrochloride salt in water, freebasing it, then neutralizing it citric acid. Consumed ON THE ROCKS Not ideal considering I have technical grade NaOH, which maybe(surely??) contains trace heavy metals contamination as I remember reading somewhere...Whatever, I shall survive this time

I don't see where the problem stand if those ''crystals'' are for personal consumption...Unless you're like me and hate not doing the best possible job just for fun 

Lol...I actually read over the discussion we had about the compound before trying it So yeah, it was already determined from the start that I was going to ingest HCl too  I remember feeling the citrate, initially dosed alone, coming on nicely, but reaching a plateau making me ask myself ''Is that it '' , then proceeding to ingest some Hydrochloride 

Harsh Comedown?? From MDMA ?? Sorry, I never heard about it  I always liked MDMA since I could eat ridicule amounts but still fall asleep (Would seriously have though it would simply be impossible considering how fucked I sometime was)...Sadly and strangely, it changed, and I'm now not able to fall asleep at all, exactly like when consuming MDA  And that's after a good break from MDMA altogether, consuming half less that I sometime did in the past

Seriously, I find the Serotonin system (at least mine) REALLY weird lol...Dopamine is still doing pretty good, especially considering the abuse it got over the last few years  Anyway, I'm over-simplifyng way too much haha

Citrate alone is insufficient IMHO,it lacks euphoria.
I take it (100-150mg) with HCl (120mg+few 60mg doses spaced 1h) just to eliminate harsh comedown.
Piracetam before+some citrate salt during and little bit of benzos after roll = 1% of usual comedown.

No wonder your fryed!

I agree it lacks some euphoria, but the payoff is the lack of intese frying hangover... it feels like citrate is less neurotoxic

mdma citrate does'nt have that sharp spike in euphoria it comes on very subtle but the come up is consistent and builds.
why do you think they call it rolling?
one minute you feel sober the next you feel the waves coming on.

yeah mdma citrate is much less rushy than mdma hcl.  i felt like mdma citrate only had a fraction of the empathy that mdma hcl produces, BUT mdma citrate gave me OEV's and a noticeable and very appreciable change in colors like mda would do at a low dose.  definitely felt much different than mdma hcl.  also, mdma citrate had a stimulation at the tail end after the peak was over much like mda, lsd, mescaline have.  mdma citrate had zero crash for me, it was more of a "sobering up" like coming down from a weed high but then the stimulation kicks in for about 2 hours, not long.  with mdma hcl there is zero stimulation at the end for me, i go from the peak straight to sleep, sometimes i drift off to sleep without even knowing it, that's how smooth the transition is on mdma hcl.  i had a noticeable afterglow the day after and wasn't nearly as worn out as mdma hcl makes me, but the afterglow wasn't nearly as strong as the one mdma hcl gives me either.  one nice thing about the citrate is the comedown, lack of that "oh no the euphoria's leaving" and urge to redose but that's because the hcl is so much more rushy and empathetic

i'm going to try the citrate/hcl combo at some point soon.  a couple weeks ago i tried an mdma/mde combo and it was fuckin wonderful!  mde i'm not too impressed with at all, but it mixes VERY well with mdma hcl.  it added a dreamy aspect to it and i actually ended up getting amazing light-based OEV's.  when i looked at LED's from electronic devices that are powered on in my room, my eyes were jumping around like crazy and the bouncing led's turned into little light-brite looking figures that were playing catch with a ball that was a single led.  pretty wild!  i would close my eyes due to the euphoria or look away and a few min's later when i look back at the led's they would start out normal, then my eyes would start bouncing again so the led's streaked like crazy, then the OEV's would come again like clockwork.  something about that combo, i really liked it.  it was 150mg mde hcl and 200mg mdma hcl.

BY THE WAY, NEILPATRICKHARRIS, always a pleasure to read your reports lol...They're actually well-written and comprehensive.  I sometimes quote you when I want to explain something about MDxx's effects to someone 

This should be linked here since, AFAIK, there's a bunch of accepted misinformation going on....


http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php?action=post;msg=27882;topic=2760.0

And the original thread cited
http://forums.lycaeum.org/index.php?topic=31275.msg325786#msg325786