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Electronic Lab Notebooks
« on: July 23, 2011, 07:00:26 AM »
Anybody use one of these? I really suck at keeping an orderly notebook. I do keep one and I have been using it, but it's utter fucking chaos. I'm thinking a software notebook may encourage better note taking. As in recording the important things I may not think about and mainly by reminding me that I should check these things. I'm really bad about thinking I will remember something and I know damn well I'm not gonna remember, but I forget that I won't remember.

Can anybody recommend a favorite? I know about things like evernote, which is cool and great n all, but not quite what I had in mind. I was hoping to find something more chemistry/lab oriented.

Hmmm, now I'm wondering what kinda damage I could do with spreadsheets....
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 02:59:38 PM »
I got the same problem, something you need to worry about is the acid fumes will eat up the metal and electronics.  So you don't want it anywhere in the lab.

Spreadsheets are nice for figuring out quantities I use em all the time.  I am good at math logic but suck at simple stuff like computation.  That's why I got B's in college calculus.

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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 03:29:39 PM »
There's software designed for chemists, such as the attached freeware which is called Laborant    ;D  Corrosive vapors will ruin paper, clothing and computers 8)
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 07:51:07 PM »
this is the ONLY way to do it.

Heavy encryption on a linux machine... I would put a SSD HD in it, magnetics will fail from HCL gas exposure instantly

it is a pain in the ass, but so is the life story of your synthesis procedures being read by the cops


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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 08:47:11 PM »
this is the ONLY way to do it.

Heavy encryption on a linux machine... I would put a SSD HD in it, magnetics will fail from HCL gas exposure instantly

it is a pain in the ass, but so is the life story of your synthesis procedures being read by the cops



This is what I currently do. Thats what cost me all my data recently. Adding another luks partition wiped out my partition table and I have tried every which way to restore it, aint happenin'.


lugh: Thanks, I will give this a try. I assume it will run under wine.
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 09:23:19 PM »
An encrypted database program called Lab Log is attached   ;) Can't you access that data using a Knoppix type boot disk ? They run from USB sticks now too  8)
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 10:19:40 PM »
Hmm...I might just have to check that out.

Perhaps more secure, than the method I use, a very old, occultist's alphabet, which mind you, has no symbols compatible with modern chemistry, although the ancient alchemical symbols for some of the elements can be useful. Most unlikely to be intelligible by your average pig, but strong encryption, combined, for anything highly sensitive with steganography, I think should be yet more useful. At any rate, my current lab notebook, although not directly referencing any illegal substance would really seriously make the porker work like a dog for his donuts.

I don't suppose anybody is aware of any security software that can be configured, in conjunction with a suitable smartcard reader (which I have already) on which a long, private key, in text file format could be matched before information can bee decrypted?

One thats compatible with a microSD card would be perfect, if such a beast exists (and of course, I would make damn sure to firewall the program off, both in, and outbound), as an entire team of bacon could literally take the house apart, brick by brick, and never find it. And just in case of accident, a spare, cloned card could be taken somewhere, sealed in a film canister, or something of the like, double layered plastic bag, under inert gas, with a second, in another place somewhere, and either buried, inserted into a hollow tree, or otherwise put somewhere nobody who doesn't know exactly where to look, will have a cat in hell's chance of finding it.

Paranoid....maybe, but sure as hell its going to stop anybody from bruteforcing their way in, at least, in the lifetime of the owner if sufficiently powerful encryption is used. Perhaps by the NSA, CIA or KGB/FSB, but a pig shop and their nasty little pack of arselickers? you have to be fucking kidding me. Even the three letter agencies would likely have a hell of a time on their hands, and I doubt that there are many, if any clandestine chemists that are going to attract the attention of that sort of prying eyes.
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 10:36:34 PM »
If your stuff is encrypted there is no way anyone will ever read it. Just your standard default blowfish algo will render your data beyond useless without a passphrase. I do like the idea of using an sd card. I think I might grab one of those today and start my new vault on there. I'm still pretty sick about losing all my data, don't want it to happen again.

Lugh, thanks again! I guess I could try manually mounting the luks with a live disc then I can use Gftp to dump everything onto one of the other boxes on the network, but that would take days as I have about 20 gigs or so of data on that partition. These are the times when I really wish I had firewire.

My paranoia level has dropped substantially. I've been planning this for so long, moving and getting back on my feet and one of the things I did just for the peace of mind was put back enough money to hire an attorney to keep on retainer (it really is a cheap bit of insurance). The things I may do that are illegal are such small potatoes that if I did get caught the pigs would be hard pressed to paint a picture of a menace to society. And if they ever did come knocking I already have my attorney on speed dial to be present during any search of my home. I'm still cautious, but not paranoid. I know and they know it's all about money. I don't want to go to court and fight some small time charge and spend 20k, but I will.
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 11:03:29 PM »
At least here, legally, the fascist twats can force you to reveal your password(s)

If its accessible only by smartcard, and you hand over one, regular password, and then say 'I have not been able to find the microSD the secondary security system is stuck on for a long time, despite trying hard as hell' then they will be hard pushed to prove the 'beyond reasonable doubt' that is the benchmark for most court systems. Even if you are telling them a larger pack of pork pies (pun intended:P) than ever passed the lips of even george W bush, and of course, there is no way in hell, that they can prove that there are a handful of spares, hidden in deepest, darkest, butt-fuck middle-of-bloody-nowhere.

I don't have 20 grand to spend, lawyer-wise the only ones I am going to get, are the duty solicitors that by law, the less well off must be given access to here in the UK. I have enough for the flight it will take me to see my loved one, still saving enough to live off, enough to show her a good meal or ten, and enough to create the ring to propose with. Aside from that, I have enough to eat off, to keep clothed, keep the cat in his dinner, get up to what I want to get upto as far as lab work goes, a few home comforts, and thats about it really.  And besides, the population of more than the one local pig shop (which I would quite happily turn into an abbatoir, to bee quite honest) really have it in for me in a personal way.

Do not get over-confident, when it comes to the filth, and even the smaller things that are verboten, especially if you live in the US, a great deal of the svinya are vindictive, oxygen-embezzling whoresons who want nothing more than the power to lord it over other people and the 'right' to swagger around whilst armed to the teeth. Wouldn't be the first, or the last either, that really does hope for the day when they get to put a couple of rounds between some bugger's eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see the rapists, paedophiles, animal abusers and muggers dumped where they belong, with other such bipedal, semi-reptilian filth, but otherwise, they can jolly well get to fuck, sod off, and leave me the hell alone.
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 11:10:15 PM »
You should be able to restore the partition table with:

h**p://crashrecovery.org/

or run a live Linux distro on a USB drive and burn the data to DVD's   ;)

As far as encrypting data where such measures are a crime in themselves, there's a solution available:

http://www.truecrypt.org/

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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2011, 12:02:02 AM »
I have truecrypt already installed
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 04:18:56 PM »
Leaving in a few minutes to go pick me out a good solid state external storage medium. Any last minute tips before I go?
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2011, 02:34:41 AM »
Okay, so I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on this digital notebooking shit. I just have to decide which ELN to use. Looking at the different ones, again, I see that some of them are meant for collaboration. I have heard talk of making a private board and I know there are already some sources of info that are not available to everyone, but has anyone thought of going this route to collaborate? Seems fucking perfect to me. It's almost like microsoft's cloud bullshit, but with amateur scientists and their work allowing them to seamlessly yet selectively share info. This would be fucking cooler than shit. One of the notebooks I have really liked so far is call collaboratory. It's a client program that accesses a server program called SAM (Scientific Annotation Middleware). One of the hardcore computer science guys here that also has the trust of the community from being around for a long time and actually contributing should run a SAM on their local machine and then certain people can access it with their collaboratory clients.

Vesp, can you get lugh on that asap? Thanks!
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2011, 02:53:06 AM »
Btw, I do still have the copy of lab log, but wonder how I will like it or whether enough of us will use it to make it really shine.
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 02:16:32 PM »
The closestt thing I can find to what I want is html based. Kinda sucks, I know, but I can't find shit else. LabLog is geared towards neuroscience and I wont be a neuro scientist for at least another year.

My question, how do I host the html on an luks partition then access it with my browser? I have never tried before, so maybe I wont have to do anything but mount the partition, Any advice? I will be doing this today my record keeping isn't getting any better and my notebook is fast becoming a confusing place to be.

Here's what I'm looking at
hxxp://biochemlabsolutions.com/ELN.html
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 01:46:56 AM »
The closestt thing I can find to what I want is html based. Kinda sucks, I know, but I can't find shit else. LabLog is geared towards neuroscience and I wont be a neuro scientist for at least another year.

My question, how do I host the html on an luks partition then access it with my browser? I have never tried before, so maybe I wont have to do anything but mount the partition, Any advice? I will be doing this today my record keeping isn't getting any better and my notebook is fast becoming a confusing place to be.

Here's what I'm looking at
hxxp://biochemlabsolutions.com/ELN.html

I suggest look at Hawley's 14th edition chemical CD http://www.4shared.com/file/hPponaOc/Hawley_CD14th_Edition.html it uses HTML with an Apache server.
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Re: Electronic Lab Notebooks
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 01:53:41 AM »
Thanks for the suggestion on the CD, definitely will look at that tonight. I already have apache running on two local machines. I'm not so worried about serving them as I am serving something that is encrypted before the server even touches it.

Edit: I'm not worried about serving them at all, I'm worried about my browser being able to make it out.
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