lugh
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Gypsy
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IT al boils down to factors like the type of AL foil, this is different from country to country, by that i mean the type of AL foil . The type of OTC solvents, eventhough the same it can be diluted with "unknown" substances.
However, i have read that instead of using IPA, usage of Etoh should increase yield. I have tried this, based the reaction. added IPA to collect the Etoh also (miscible)
and i cannot tell surely if the yield was higher, but post-product really had lower potency, in comparison to IPA as started solvent for nitropropene.
I do agree that the foil available does differ. some of it Ive seen seems to come with a sort of waxy coating, that would most certainly impede any reactions. I'm waiting on trying Aluminium powder for yield comparisons. Kitchen foil most probably has adulterant elements too. I presume Tin is one of them.
As for alcohols my thinking still reckons that meoh is superior because of the lower BP. Is there any reason why etoh would be superior? Methanol certainly costs a fraction of price.
fishinabottle
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Tip of the week:Did not work for me, had to distill the acetone away only then got nice snow-white A-sulfate.
When the orange like ipa is seperated (twice collect) pour in half amount of COLD anhydrous acetone, then drop by drop pour in sulphuric acid. this ensures nice white sulfate snowing in the flask, without re-x afterwards. filter this. dry this. PH 7-6 i think.
ppanik
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the "problem" for me is, the amphetamine sulphate is realy withe, after rxn.
But i will do some easy cleaning in future.
... what is the right temperatur for vakkum destiliation the freebase ?
thx
But i will do some easy cleaning in future.
... what is the right temperatur for vakkum destiliation the freebase ?
thx
lugh
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The aluminum should be tested before risking any valuable substrate:
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,257.msg16923.html#msg16923
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,257.msg16923.html#msg16923
no_dream
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Base distills at about 110 degrees at aspirator vacuum of 30 mm Hg. Use an oil bath and stirring.
ppanik
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@nodream
Thank you very much ! where do you find these information ?
best regards
Thank you very much ! where do you find these information ?
best regards
zgoat65
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The info can be found on google as well as on this forum.
carl_nnabis
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Under usual circumstances one would simply calculate the boiling point of a vac under certain strength. You would be enlightened if you google it, otherwise here:
The boiling point of a certain substance lowers itself under underpressure, it depends on how strong it is. The formula given there is the Clausius-Clapeyron equation
The boiling point of a certain substance lowers itself under underpressure, it depends on how strong it is. The formula given there is the Clausius-Clapeyron equation
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@nodream
Thank you very much ! where do you find these information ?
best regards
Look here, Vacuum distillation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_distillation for starters, and Vogel for in-depth info.
lugh
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It's also on Rhodium's web page:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/distillation4dummies.html
which includes a printable nomograph:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/nomograph.print.html
which makes it rather easy to calculate the theoretical boiling point under a vacuum
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/distillation4dummies.html
which includes a printable nomograph:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/nomograph.print.html
which makes it rather easy to calculate the theoretical boiling point under a vacuum
myhero
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if you want a nomograph that is more computer friendly try this:
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/sigma-aldrich/areas-of-interest/chemistry/solvents/learning-center/nomo-assets.html
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/sigma-aldrich/areas-of-interest/chemistry/solvents/learning-center/nomo-assets.html
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T-cowboy
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Tip of the week:Did not work for me, had to distill the acetone away only then got nice snow-white A-sulfate.
When the orange like ipa is seperated (twice collect) pour in half amount of COLD anhydrous acetone, then drop by drop pour in sulphuric acid. this ensures nice white sulfate snowing in the flask, without re-x afterwards. filter this. dry this. PH 7-6 i think.
My only explanation is that your acetone had some water, since it aparently dissolved the A.sulfate.? maybe.
ppanik
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thanks all very much !
.. my biggest problem is my bad english,
it takes much time to translate and understand.
but i go my way !
.. my biggest problem is my bad english,
it takes much time to translate and understand.
but i go my way !
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if you want a nomograph that is more computer friendly try this:
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/sigma-aldrich/areas-of-interest/chemistry/solvents/learning-center/nomo-assets.html
I've saved the flash .swf file, so you can use it offline, on any PC\Laptop with your web browser (Firefox) and Adobe Flash installed.