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lugh

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2012, 05:55:31 PM »
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2012, 04:20:20 AM »
IT al boils down to factors like the type of AL foil, this is different from country to country, by that i mean the type of AL foil . The type of OTC solvents, eventhough the same it can be diluted with "unknown" substances.

However, i have read that instead of using IPA, usage of Etoh should increase yield. I have tried this, based the reaction. added IPA to collect the Etoh also (miscible)
and i cannot tell surely if the yield was higher, but post-product really had lower potency, in comparison to IPA as started solvent for nitropropene.

I do agree that the foil available does differ. some of it Ive seen seems to come with a sort of waxy coating, that would most certainly impede any reactions. I'm waiting on trying Aluminium powder for yield comparisons. Kitchen foil most probably has adulterant elements too. I presume Tin is one of them.
As for alcohols my thinking still reckons that meoh is superior because of the lower BP. Is there any reason why etoh would be superior? Methanol certainly costs a fraction of price.
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2012, 10:31:10 AM »
Tip of the week:

When the orange like ipa is seperated (twice collect) pour in half amount of COLD anhydrous acetone, then drop by drop pour in sulphuric acid. this ensures nice white sulfate snowing in the flask, without re-x afterwards. filter this. dry this. PH 7-6 i think.
Did not work for me, had to distill the acetone away only then got nice snow-white A-sulfate.

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2012, 10:36:19 AM »
the "problem" for me is, the amphetamine sulphate is realy withe, after rxn.
But i will do some easy cleaning in future.

... what is the right temperatur for vakkum destiliation the freebase ?
thx
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2012, 01:05:12 PM »
The aluminum should be tested before risking any valuable substrate:

http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,257.msg16923.html#msg16923

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2012, 06:05:54 AM »
Base distills at about 110 degrees at aspirator vacuum of 30 mm Hg. Use an oil bath and stirring.

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2012, 09:12:54 AM »
@nodream

Thank you very much ! where do you find these information ?
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2012, 08:35:18 PM »
The info can be found on google as well as on this forum. 
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2012, 08:44:58 PM »
Under usual circumstances one would simply calculate the boiling point of a vac under certain strength. You would be enlightened if you google it, otherwise here:
The boiling point of a certain substance lowers itself under underpressure, it depends on how strong it is. The formula given there is the Clausius-Clapeyron equation :)
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2012, 11:16:21 PM »
@nodream

Thank you very much ! where do you find these information ?
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Look here,  Vacuum distillation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_distillation for starters, and Vogel for in-depth info.
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2012, 01:07:35 AM »
It's also on Rhodium's web page:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/distillation4dummies.html

which includes a printable nomograph:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/nomograph.print.html

which makes it rather easy to calculate the theoretical boiling point under a vacuum  8)
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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2012, 08:06:30 AM »

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2012, 09:53:46 PM »
Tip of the week:

When the orange like ipa is seperated (twice collect) pour in half amount of COLD anhydrous acetone, then drop by drop pour in sulphuric acid. this ensures nice white sulfate snowing in the flask, without re-x afterwards. filter this. dry this. PH 7-6 i think.
Did not work for me, had to distill the acetone away only then got nice snow-white A-sulfate.


My only explanation is that your acetone had some water, since it aparently dissolved the A.sulfate.? maybe.

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2012, 12:33:33 PM »
thanks all very much !

 .. my biggest problem is my bad english,
it takes much time to  translate  and understand.
but i go my way !

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Re: p2np reduction failing on me
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2012, 11:03:56 PM »
if you want a nomograph that is more computer friendly try this:

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/sigma-aldrich/areas-of-interest/chemistry/solvents/learning-center/nomo-assets.html


I've saved the flash .swf file, so you can use it offline, on any PC\Laptop with your web browser (Firefox) and Adobe Flash installed.

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