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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2009, 09:46:45 PM »
1960's? Whats it got ergoamine tartrate bottles of diethylamine and some Mescaline in it. I want a groovy Chemistry set lemme tell ya.
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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2009, 09:57:01 PM »
Nah thats the Sandoz Chemistry Experimental Lab. This is a Gilbert Lab. Just stuff like Potassium Cyanide, Ferric Ammonium Chloride, Borax, Sulfur, Logwood, Calcium Chloride, Ammonium Chloride, and Sodium Bicarbonate.

Plus a test tube rack, and a weirdly shaped round bottom flask with a vacuum adapter...Though I was trying to take out a 40 year old stopper that was in the top....but I ended up breaking the top of the flask so now I'm not sure what I can use it for.

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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2009, 12:11:21 AM »
Hm. Odd.

I figured it had something to do with such weak bonds that the light particles would hit the molecule and break it apart?

But who knows

Not necessarily... this is actually a tough question and I'll just try to explain it for organic molecules.

So we know light is energy and if you break light up it contains different wavelengths, these wavelengths correspond to a different amount of energy. Now, electrons can absorb energy from light pushing them to an excited state. Certain bonds can only absorb a certain amount of energy, or a certain wavelength, the energy it can absorb is quantized... so some molecules will absorb red light (think leaves, thats why they're green, they abosrb red and leave the green for us to see. The leaves are using light for energy, the electrons are getting excited and that energy is being transferred to make chemical bonds to store the energy for later). It a bond absorbs enough light it may have enough energy to break. If you go into certain labs they might have yellow lights, this is because their compound doesn't absorb the energy corresponding to yellow light, but it does for other light.

Thats why chemicals degrade in light. We know that double bonds absorb energy near the visible spectrum, that is why highly conjugated molecules are colored (look at chlorophyll). If you shine enough light, and the right kind of light, onto a conjugated molecule you can break those bonds. This is the reason things bleach in the sun. The sun breaks the conjugated bonds because they absorb its energy, once it breaks those bonds its not absorbing energy (wavelengths/colors) in the visible spectrum. Retinol is also an example of getting energy from light. Certain wavelength excite the chemicals in your eye, those bonds break and signals the enzyme to send a signal.

Hope this helps. I'm assuming the HCl is acting as a catalyst, the protonated species probably absorbs more energy, althought I always thought O- absorbed more.. but I'm not sure on that one.

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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2009, 09:01:40 AM »


Photons carry energy. This energy can be imparted to an electron in an atom and cause it to jump orbitals to a higher state.

i swear i'm not nit picking about terminology here.  just thought i'd relate one of the few things I learned on the topic of new (quantum)physics:

Technically its not that photons carry energy, its more that a photon, is the name we use to describe light, if and when we choose to consider light to be matter.  When we choose to consider light to be energy, then its a band on the EM spectrum, somewhere between heat and x-rays. 
So keeping in mind that I have never studied this topic, i'm gonna suggest another way of saying the same thing sedit said:
It's just a reaction between sodium hypochlorite particles and light particles.  Matter r, eacting with matter, plain ol chemistry, as far as i reckon

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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2009, 04:09:55 PM »
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if and when we choose to consider light to be matter.  When we choose to consider light to be energy,

This is pretty much on point in that light is just energy and nothing more. The part saying that we choose to consider light as matter is no good since matter has mass and light has no mass at all hence it can not be matter. This is the general view of things and it always bugged me because I do not agree with submiting to the view that a photon can have no mass but those that say it does not has studied it far more then me so until I could find proof of mass in a photon I must take there word for it.
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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2009, 04:50:53 PM »
well the thing is, on a subatomic level:
what exactly is mass?

photons, along with many particles are subject to wave-particle duality.

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In physics and chemistry, wave–particle duality is the concept that all energy (and thus all matter) exhibits both wave-like and particle-like properties. A central concept of quantum mechanics, duality addresses the inadequacy of classical concepts like "particle" and "wave" in fully describing the behavior of quantum-scale objects. Orthodox interpretations of quantum mechanics explain this ostensible paradox as a fundamental property of the Universe, while alternative interpretations explain the duality as an emergent, second-order consequence of various limitations of the observer. This treatment focuses on explaining the behavior from the perspective of the widely used Copenhagen interpretation.

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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2009, 09:33:29 PM »
It isn't chemistry - light is not a chemical, and has no chemical or physical properties.

However, photons are a special form of matter - and have some form of weird bose-einsteinium mass. IIRC
I might have that term wrong though.
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Re: Why do chemicals react with light?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2009, 12:40:21 AM »
The way I see it, and I may be wrong, but at least it has helped me somewhat get this subject good enough to get through some units that touch this flat out, and that is
regarding light speed as being constant, that is from getting from a > b within a certain time, So I imagine the ossilating wave being filled with tiny packets of energy that travel the shape of the wave,  hence if the wave length (distance between two troughs or peaks in an oscillating wave) is big, such as a radio wave, then the energy associated to force a packet of energy, the distance of the path that is created - at the speed of light, is going to be lless than say a much shorter wave length, with a greater frequency of oscillating, albeit getting from a > b at the same time, The shorter a wavelength, the longer the path due to an increase in oscillation; the shorter the wavelength, the faster it has to travel, hence the greater amount of energy, in order to  get from a > b at the same time,  and when you get to UV, and x ray, it contains enough energy to break bonds, cause free radicals, mess with ya DNA, and is the chemistry that I am sure we are all somewhat fascinated. I think this works for the equations associate with c = speed of light, h = wavelength v = velocity 

So apparently its been established that  c = hv   and  therefore  v = c/h    So the shorter the wavelength the greater velocity, and their is of course the association with velocity and energy.

This all being said, it is merely a useful description, among many that seems to fit with numbers, but doesn't really account for wtf is really happening -  It helps somewhat..