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Questions about the CSA/Analogue Act
« on: October 15, 2009, 05:57:00 AM »
So until I was reading up on phenazepam, I was unaware that the CSA only applied to schedule 1&2 drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Analog_Act
(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -

    * (i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
    * (ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
    * (iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.

So my question falls on this:
Hypothetically, if a person was to order a precursor to a drug that is schedule 4, which has no activity of it's own, and the person could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the precursor in question was being used purely for structural identification/research. Would there still be a way to charge the person with anything?

This seems like it leaves a small, but workable, window of legal flexibility. A small but nevertheless interesting list of compounds could be imported without significant risk of legal ramification (outside of being flagged and put on one of those spook lists).

I'm curious to hear more from others on this topic, hopefully someone can shed more light on the CSA and it's stipulations. I was always under the impression it was for all drugs, but on second look I find myself corrected.

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Re: Questions about the CSA/Analogue Act
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 07:33:30 PM »
They bust home chemist that have nothing at all to do with drugs or have done nothing at all wrong in the first place. Even if they found your research legle you can bet that your storage and labling will not be. If they come aknockin expect to lose everything you own and have them tell you most got broken in transport if they even decided to give it back at all.
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Re: Questions about the CSA/Analogue Act
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2009, 10:53:33 PM »
You have to realize that most people in the world can't fathom why anyone would want to perform chemistry at home unless they are cooking meth.

The more people you meet, the more you start to realize that the world consists mostly of extremely ignorant people who are very content to remain ignorant.  They can't see the forest through the trees, so they learn to like whichever tree they happen to be near.

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Re: Questions about the CSA/Analogue Act
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2009, 11:07:30 PM »
sad,, :( but too fuckin true :'(
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Re: Questions about the CSA/Analogue Act
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 08:50:37 PM »
The legal distinctions you draw are over the head of the drug interdiction officers who do the actual searches, seizures, and busts. They fill out their paperwork and turn it in to the DA who decides whether there is enough admissible evidence to make the case, and if it does, charges are filed. Trying to persuade a guy with a badge on his shirt and a gun on his hip that your home chemistry is not drug related is a waste of your breath, and his time. His presence derives from his suspicion that you are involved in making illegal drugs, and he expects you to claim you are making something else. If he finds a lab in your garage, or secreted away where it should not be noticed, he will consider that evidence of your knowledge that what you are doing is in violation of the law.

The definition of analogue is not as tight a definition as you think it is.

In order for you to violate the analogue substance law the chemical structure must be substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;  in addition to this requirement, the substance must have a stimulant, depressive or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is similar substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; OR the defendant intended the substance to have, or represented that the substance in fact had, the stimulant, depressant or hallucinogenic effect on the CNS system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.

In U.S. v Forbes,  806 F.Supp. 232 (D. Colo., 1992) to US District Court in Colorado analyzed the statute and commented

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"The term "controlled substance analogue" is defined to conform as closely as possible to the policy of the Controlled Substances Act by requiring a chemical relationship to a substance which is controlled ... and either the existence of some stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system, or a representation or intent that the substance have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect substantially  similar to, or greater than, such effect of any controlled substance....
          The analogue statute is directed at underground chemists who tinker with the molecular structure of controlled substances to create new drugs that are not scheduled. If a substance could be an analogue without a substantially similar chemical structure, Congress' stated purpose would be significantly expanded. Moreover, by essentially adopting the House definition, Congress evidenced its intent to require a two-pronged definition.
        Additionally, the government and defense experts who testified agree that the question of structural similarity must, in part, be evaluated in conjunction with the molecule's hallucinogenic and stimulant activity. Because structurally similar substances have similar pharmacological effects on the central nervous system, a finding of such similar effects is some indication that the molecular structures should be classified as substantially similar. The scientific interdependence of molecular structure and effect on the central nervous system is consonant with the legislative history evidencing congressional intent to establish a dependent, two-prong test...
     Therefore, I hold that a substance may be a controlled substance analogue only if it satisfies clause (i) and clauses (ii) or (iii)."

Most federal circuits follow a similar analysis of the statute, although they are not in complete agreement on its meaning. The common thread in the federal appellate decisions is that the analogue act applies to substance which either are substantially similar either in chemical structure or net effect to any schedule I or II controlled substance. The issue of how substantial the similarity is is for the trier of fact, usually a jury. The cases involving the analogue act include cases where both the government and the defense called chemistry experts as witnesses and those witnesses could not agree on the question of whether two chemicals were "substantially similar" for purposes of the act. The cases indicate that the question of whether the substantial similarity test has been met is a question for the jury, and the jury is not bound by the opinion of any particular witness.

Your question was whether a person who ordered a precursor to a schedule IV drug which has no stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effects, and the person could show to the satisfaction of the trier of facts the precursor was being used for structural identification and research was subject to being charged for manufacturing an analogue. The answer to the question is that he may in fact be charged with an offense, and he may be found guilty of violating the analogue substances act. Note that one can be charged with an offense even if he is not guilty. Charging an offense is supported by the probable cause standard, whereas conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. A cop looking at a condenser and flask on a hotplate could easily be said to have probable cause that a controlled substance or analogue was being manufactured.  The test is not whether he has evidence that you are in fact guilty. The test is whether he has a reasonable factual basis for concluding that criminal activity may be occurring. That is a far simpler test than guilt. The people who decide guilt are normally juries, although often juries are waived and the guilt issue is tried to a judge alone. You can be innocent and be charged with a crime. You can be innocent and be convicted, as the numerous post conviction reviews based on dna evidence have proved beyond doubt. The fact that your esteemed chemist Ph.D. expert witness is prepared to testify that the substances are chemically dissimilar is for the jury to take as they wish. The fact that government witnesses could not agree on whether two compounds were "substantially similar" was found of consequence in the Forbes opinion to preclude a conviction. Other courts have ruled the issue is one of fact for a jury to decide, and some circuits have held that differences of opinion on whether a drug is substantially similar to another drug does not depend on the nature of the drug, but how it is metabolized in the human body.

As to concerns about being arrested for analogue drugs, the fact that you are working in a home lab and (most likely) under circumstances that tend to conceal or obscure the use put to the premises can be considered as evidence of guilty knowledge. The same conduct, committed in a business in a commercial or industrial district, would not necessarily provide that inference. If you were in fact not making or trying to make something similar to a controlled drug and were conducting your work at a business or industry address, the nature of the work being done might be substantially less suspicious because of the apparent business nature of the operation.

If your question goes to whether you can be convicted, your factual assumptions are favorable for your defense, but understand you still have to persuade the trier of fact that you are sincere when you say you were not trying to create a drug. It remains a defense, and something for a trier of fact to decide. That puts you in jeopardy of doing time if they get it wrong. Yes, there is a risk in what you do. The more you do this in the manner a legit business would do it, the less likely it is that you would be charged.

Understand the schedule of the precursor substance does not control the determination. Pseudo is schedule V in my state, and it is behind pharmacy counters because it can be used as a precursor to a schedule II substance.

I have the feeling you may need to rethink your question a bit more to get the answer you are looking for. I may be close, but I think you are actually more concerned about the appearance of what you are doing than the risk of being arrested for it.   

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Re: Questions about the CSA/Analogue Act
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 04:53:55 AM »
On top of that, anything with carbon-carbon bonds in it, or even more damning, a whopping great 6-membered ring at one end of a carbon chain, looks remarkably similar to judges (and a LOT of other people)... Acetaminophen, for instance, looks to most as if it could be structurally similar (thus coming within clause i) to amphetamine (or p-hydroxyamphetamine more to the point)... After all, it has a phenolic hydroxyl para to the side chain, an amine group in the side chain and a two-carbon chain that doesn't really look all that different to the untutored eye...

Woe fucking betide you if you have Chloramphenicol lying about the house (in a LOT of eyedrops, fuck my kids use it), I mean, just look at that structure - it has to be psychedelic right? I mean, not just that, but hydrolysis of that N-acetyl leads to something that CAN by published procedures be reduced to amphetamine...

As to talking your way out of it to the piglets, ain't no hope in hell... These were the wannabee tough kids at school, they didn't make the grades to do any good in the real world and just aren't tough enough to make it without a badge... They didn't do chemistry and have NO FUCKING IDEA why anyone would have glassware at home, not to mention their "presumptive tests" which can conclusively (well, kinda) confirm that you have in fact had (according to the swabs they'll run over your ceiling/worksurfaces), had secondary amines, secondary phenylalkanolamines, etc. That means meth and ephedrine to them, after all, what else could it possibly be? :-X

Confuse the hell out of the situation by telling your brief that you have in fact made secondary amines, and isolated secondary phenylalkanolamines, thus rendering the results of the presumptive tests useless (they can't tell the residue on swabs from synephrine & dimethylamine apart from ephedrine & meth - go figure - not enough material to use FTIR/HNMR/GCMS and the presumptive evidence is worthless).

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