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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2010, 01:21:29 AM »
What about the possibility of using a soil-hydroponic hybrid system? By having the roots come out of the pot (this happens all of the time if you have a small pot and a healthy plant) and going into the hydroponic solution.

I'm not sure of the benefit, other then the soil or solution might allow for various nutrients to be more available than the other, that the soil might contain micronutrients and so you would not need to worry as much about them in the hydroponic solution, or perhaps you would only need to worry about the macronutrients.

Not really a great idea, but it might inspire someone to do something, who knows. It would be interesting to see at least.

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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2010, 12:37:09 AM »
Those units are available commercially, I think called waterfarms or something, and are more suitable for growing large or long term plants.

They are easy to make, rather than using soil, use clay pebbles or similar in a net pot and go full hydro. Put an air pump into the resevoir and another small one to push some nutes back upto the plant base to be dripped back to the resevoir.

BTW, I agree with everything Hypnos said on the 7th. If one desires organic produce with maximum yield then go full hydro and use organic nutes.

Messing around with soil, pebbles and any other bulky media is, IIHO a waste of money. Moving that shit around leads only to unwelcome attention and bad backs. If people grow hydro then theres really no need for it.

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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2010, 08:26:55 PM »
Back before 1828 when Friedrich Wohler synthesized urea, considered to be an organic chemical, from inorganic ammonium cyanate, people used to believe that only living organisms could synthesize organic compounds.  Later, other organic chemicals were synthesized and it was proven that many natural organic chemicals could be synthesized by chemists.  The USDA has some guidelines on organic growing on their website which uses a different definition of the word "organic".
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?navid=SEARCH&q=organic&Go_button.x=10&Go_button.y=17&site=usda

Also, minerals are inorganic not organic.  Bacteria can also fix nitrogen and produce nitrates and nitrites which are considered to be inorganic compounds even if they were produced by living organisms.  Bones contain calcium phosphate which is considered to be an inorganic chemical.

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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2010, 08:28:51 PM »
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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2011, 03:01:31 AM »
Go organic if you want every natural, organic pest imaginable shipped into your growroom via your unsterilized soil.
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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2011, 09:21:33 PM »
Go organic if you want every natural, organic pest imaginable shipped into your growroom via your unsterilized soil.

yep...trust the medium/plant to filter (much as our human bodies filter all the BS around us or ingested).
Organic is high maintenance with low valuable return, unless it makes you sleep better at night ; )
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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2011, 03:13:16 AM »
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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2011, 01:46:26 PM »
I didn't know my avitar had become so popular, LOL

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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2011, 12:54:18 AM »
Alimentary, dear Watson; I had a gut feeling.

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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2011, 12:58:54 PM »
I've read (in one of the classic books) one difference between soil and hydro manifests itself in the latest stage of flowering: with soil there isn't as much air coming to the roots - meaning your flowering plants don't grow as much.
MEANING: hydro-plants can be put to flowering earlier (when smaller) than with soil (time and therefor money bonus).

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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2011, 03:59:43 PM »
Hydro is just flat out better in every way... don't believe the myth that it's more work or that you have to be a rocket scientist to pull it off. Growth is accelerated 3x, they put on much more weight, you don't have to deal with messy soil or worry about pests being shipped into the growroom (plus, pests are easier to deal with), the quality is much higher (organic being better is total bs, hydro has a bad rep just because of lazy growers not flushing curing properly), etc... with automation it can be almost zero maintenance. Try DWC if you're intimidated. Very simple, just a bucket, a net pot with clay pellets, an air stone, and an air pump. Temps should stay below 70 but if you've got a big air pump you can get away with high 70s. Assyl promises you'll be amazed with the results. Grow side by side with soil if you want some laughs.
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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2012, 04:22:04 AM »
being that I have tried just about every combination with growing medium and nutrients.... soil to aero... for flowering plants I tend to be a fan of a good bubble bucket with heavy duty air pumps...  several stones in each bucket... and a 1/2 to 3/4 lucas ratio supplemented with a nice organic aerated tea of worm castings, fish emulsion, dab of blackstrap molassas and a scoop of benificials.  and then strain dependant on weather i give it some cal-mag. 
And for mothers I feed the same but use a soiless mix for my grow medium 
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Re: Hydroponic or Organic?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2012, 08:13:25 PM »
@Gew... so you make a hydro setup using organic materials, with carbon in it?
I always thought that would lead to serious bacterial issues?

I guess I haven't looked much into organic fertilizers for hydroponic setups, however. It just seems like the best way to go about it would be to use mostly inorganic salts.
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