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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2010, 05:21:27 AM »
In WWII the Norwegians would lace blood-stained handkerchiefs with cocaine in order to desensitize the nostrils of dogs. Apparently it worked. Can we please turn this into a cocaine thread now? :D

But yeah, hydrogen sulfide is the first thing that comes to mind.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2010, 06:19:42 AM »
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In WWII the Norwegians would lace blood-stained handkerchiefs with cocaine in order to desensitize the nostrils of dogs. Apparently it worked. Can we please turn this into a cocaine thread now? Cheesy

Interesting, but do you have a reference for that? I'd love to see more on it --  obviously something that acts similar to cocaine in this fashion could be used, and still be legal - hopefully more volatile as well. :)

I remember reading something about that in a book in high school, but it was a fiction book, and I could never find a reference to see if it was real or just made up.
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2010, 06:49:03 AM »
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In WWII the Norwegians would lace blood-stained handkerchiefs with cocaine in order to desensitize the nostrils of dogs. Apparently it worked. Can we please turn this into a cocaine thread now? Cheesy

Interesting, but do you have a reference for that? I'd love to see more on it --  obviously something that acts similar to cocaine in this fashion could be used, and still be legal - hopefully more volatile as well. :)

I remember reading something about that in a book in high school, but it was a fiction book, and I could never find a reference to see if it was real or just made up.

It was exactly from that fiction book; I couldn't find a reference either but I was fairly certain I was told by my teacher(s) that it was based on fact.

I'll research it later.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2010, 06:58:52 AM »
Yeah, good luck on that one, that was a wild goose chase for me, and still never ended up finding out anything - but it is somewhat of what made me think of this topic.

It would make sense, at least to me, that  a local anesthetic would cause a lose in smell -- I wonder what some of the more volatile local anesthetics are?
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2010, 01:47:22 AM »
During a friends military service as a medic, it was rumored that one could take topical anesthetic like benzocaine and mix it with dried blood powder. This would be placed into pants cuffs, rubbed into jacket material, etc.

An alternative that sounded like it might be safer is to carry some beef jerky or a couple of wadded up Slim Jims in the pockets. The dogs get all excited but the LE sees why and moves to the next victim.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2010, 02:09:07 AM »
Actually that is "meat myth" is pretty cartoonish idea that doesn't work for sure!
You think those dogs aren't selected and trained for such situations!?

I witnessed their training once...

I also saw on discovery that scientists use lidocaine drops to
temporarily neutralize sense on test animals.
But I doubt it would work without putting it in form of dust of drops in
the nose of animal, and in that case your bigger problem is something under the nose!

It is funny to se how grossed dogs are by the smell of p-benzoquinone!
Damn this stuff is irritating and overpowering, but doesn't smell that much
so dog handler would not be alarmed. ;)
(Cops are usually less intelligent than their dogs and don't have such big database of smells.)

It would be even funnier to witness situation when they are frantically sniffing around
and than stumble upon over fine dust of this material, if you ever worked with this stuff you got an idea  ;D :D
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2010, 01:11:41 AM »
with all the talk of chemicals used to defeat the olfactory advantage canines have... what about oleoresin capsicum, or the hot shit in peppers in laymens terms?

if the dog gets a good blast of some ground up habeneros, he's gonna have a really hard time smelling shit with all the mucous being produced and subsequently covering the olfactory receptors.

its an old trick, but it has some merit... and has been proven to work on several occasions.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2010, 01:57:41 AM »
It might be possible,but you still need to disperse this supstance.
All old tricks probably have counter measures,we search for new ones!
p-benzoquinone works equally well,maybe better,it is much more aggressive
toward tissue and it SUBLIMATES!
My guess is that this stuff might even interfere with most of the
chemical testings done by police,being very strong oxidans that react with swabs,paper...
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2010, 12:56:22 AM »
dispersing pepper powder isnt that difficult. the way i have seen it used is just to dust the floorboard and seats in the car with it...

when the dog goes sniffing around, he will inadvertently sniff some powder.

p-benzo might work also, but i can think of 3 things i would do with it before i used it to dust the car. 8)

i get what your saying about sublimation. this would bee handy if you had a cargo trailer at the shipyards... just sublimate a portion in the trailer prior to sealing it up. everything would be coated with it, and the vapors would fill the area that the dog was sniffing around in.

guess you would have to give it a whirl to test it out...

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2010, 04:08:00 AM »
something like this could really come in handy when you're making methylamine  :P
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2010, 03:30:27 AM »
Hydrogen sulfide blocks the sense of smell, but it only does so in potentially toxic doses.

Anyone know how it does this?

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2010, 05:48:27 AM »
It seems like something severely irritating would cause the dogs to respond in a way that would alert their handlers that something suspicious was happening.

Also to ensure the levels are high enough at a distance far enough away from the source, the levels in the air near the source might need to be high enough to remove the sense of smell of the dog handler and whomever is handling the product (ie. you and your acquaintances.)

It would ideally be something temporary, then.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2010, 09:18:18 AM »
this may be a bit off but what about Capsaicin or a similar compounds like Nonivamide, Allyl isothiocyanate or Allicin. i have heard of old wives tales where someone being hunted down with dogs spread Cayenne powder along their trail, after a while the dogs noses were so inflamed that they could no longer smell and lost the trail. maybe instead of trying to block the signal lets try to keep the signal from being triggered in the first place. there are many substances that will cause temporary nasal inflammation coupled with copious amounts of snot blocking stuff from being smelled in the first place. an aerosol or a fine powder could be methods of administration.    bromoacetone could be another one easily made by a acid/base catalyzed solution of acetone and bromine.
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2010, 01:42:14 PM »
maybe sublimated piperine? i vaped a few mg on foil and allmost gassed myself out of the room! i couldnt smell for about an hour! same thin with a few ml of thionyl chloride that got loose.... thought i gave myself pulminary edema with that one though. couldnt smell for about a day and a half.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2010, 08:02:12 PM »
Interesting about the thionyl chloride. I wonder what it did and what part it affected you so you could not smell?
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2010, 07:43:59 AM »
its probilly because thionyl chloride is a powerful lachrymatory agent that totally fucks up your respiratory system like all the others i listed and pretty much any xxxyl halogen because their decomposition products when exposed to atmospheric moisture are usually strong acids in gaseous form. rapid inflammation of tissues along with mucus production and tearing usually result from even a small exposure. and the fact that since you (or the dog) would be inhaling these strong acids tissue damage does occur possibly causing the temporary loss of smell, sight and breathing difficulties. permanent damage can occur (Pulmonary edema, embolism, extream prolonged respiratory distress, tissue scarring and death) if the exposure is high enough....  approximately a 5-10% solution of thionyl chloride (or bromide phophoryl or any of the other xxxyl halogens) in chloroform or ether (an anhydrous alcohol might be a better choice because it is more hydrophilic than an ether or halocarbon) in an aerosol would be highly effective. possibly with a wireless (servo actuated) delivery system with the remote hidden on your person. when the cop gets the dog push the button to flood your car with invisible vapors of hydrogen chloride and sulfur dioxide... it only takes a few seconds of exposure and the dog wont want to remain in the vicinity of the vehicle.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2010, 06:37:35 PM »
Methyl benzoate imitates the smell of cocaine. I've thought of spraying it absolutely everywhere in order to make drug dogs lose it. It's about as legal and safe as chemicals get.

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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2010, 07:01:34 PM »
Methyl benzoate imitates the smell of cocaine. I've thought of spraying it absolutely everywhere in order to make drug dogs lose it. It's about as legal and safe as chemicals get.

Very nice! Isn't it found in certain mouth washes?
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Re: Chemicals That Cause Anosmia - Losing the ability to perceive odors.
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2010, 10:48:24 PM »
it sounds simple enough to make, just an acid catalyzed condensation of benzoic acid in methanol.... it might work with some benzoate salts too. i could see sodium or potassium benzoate in methanol with excess HCl forming the benzoic acid in situ with methyl benzoate and Na/KCl ad a biproduct. you would just distill the methyl benzoate from the methanol. i wonder how long the vapors would stay around. the only thing id be worried about is the dog giving a false alert before it gets to the car causing the cop to search it the old fashion way.

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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2010, 11:04:17 PM »
that's a common trick of mexican drug traffickers.
and i'm sure border agents are well aware of it.
the guys who spray your window and wipe it down for spare change are given a c-note to put cocaine in the spray bottle so that the dogs alert on every vehicle.
then while the dogs are being replaced the real shipment goes through.