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Leuckart
« on: March 09, 2010, 12:13:11 AM »
It has been voiced that people wish to move past the mercury aluminum amalgam reduction of the church of Bright Star and Osmium. The Leuckart is feasible with similar equipment. Leuckart net legend tells of 70% yields. The reaction conditions of these high yield reactions are sketchy at best which leads one to doubt their validity. What is beyond doubt is the volume of information on the Leuckart from real scholarly journals.

In these journals one will find most published reactions, at one mole ketone for clarity, using from four to six moles formate or formamide, one to three additional moles of 90% formic or glacial acetic acid and the big gun, 6.3g anhydrous magnesium chloride(someone has stated calcium chloride as well but I haven't seen the ref). The additional acid and magnesium chloride are said to help the reaction with magnesium chloride being an effective catalyst. The use of a nitrogen atmosphere is said to help.

Problems with this reaction are many. Issues appear to stem from water, although the old school running of this in a distillation rig should help this automatically. Reaction procedures and temperatures vary quite a bit although there seems to be a consensus that lower temps and longer cooks are better.

Most of the refs are written using formamide for primary amines and n-methyl formamide for the methyl. This isn't a good starting point for most underground chemists because good luck sourcing n-methyl formamide.

Starting from the beginning and with what is available to the average aspiring chemist, formic and methylamine, one can look to form the formate and then choose whether to continue the heated dehydration to n-methyl formamaide, if I have it correct. The refs seem to say that the formate salt is more reactive and higher yielding. Perhaps adding cold methylamine in water to cold stirring formic, gentle distillation then finish with another means such as silica gel or toluene azeotrope(my new favorite chem trick). Perhaps the easily available and dirt cheap magnesium chloride hexahydrate could be in this mix and dehydrated at the same time.

Where is the line between formate and formamide? The refs that state heat amine and formic to 160C as long as water distills seem to be stopping there for a reason, perhaps to maximize the formate, while others heat to 180-190C as long as water distills which seems to be looking for the dehydrated formamide.

After their formate/formamide is in hand, the ref doctors then add 90% formic, glacial acetic acid or anhydrous MgCl2 if they are used, right before the ketone is added.

Having no first hand experience with these substances I can't say how they "mingle". Some refs say they start out two phase then upon heating and distillation become a single phase, while returning any ketone that distills over. If this works then it stands to reason that as long as the heating was gradual and the ketone that had distilled over was returned to the reaction flask, then the whole water issue should be regulated automatically. Problems are with the additional formic or acetic. With their boiling points far below the minimal 155C, shouldn't they distill out of the mix at the same time as any water making their addition questionable?

Local chemwaster researcher is pondering adding cold aq. methylamine to cold formic and MgCl2*6H2O, runing the temp to 160C for as long as water distills then coolin to 100 or so, adding dry ketone and slowly ramping the temp up to 155C, all the while keeping it at the "little CO2 bubbles" level of activity, then once at 155C, changing the distillation rig to reflux and letting it run for 24hrs.

If anyone sees any problems or has insights to share, chemwaster would love to hear about it.

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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 01:48:40 PM »
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amphetamine-cocaine.impurities.html
"The Leuckart method is still frequently encountered as a method for synthesis of both amphetamine and methamphetamine. Until 1981, the main impurity present in amphetamine clandestinely prepared in the Netherlands was 4-methyl-5-phenylpyrimidine (Huizer et al., 1985). After 1981 di-(?-phenylisopropyl)-amines, DPIA, (or the N-formyl derivative, or both) were the main impurities observed in amphetamine in both the Netherlands and in Norway (Lambrechts et al., 1986). It was hypothesized that the change in impurity pattern was due to the addition of formic acid during the P2P and formamide condensation step."

So it only took underground chemists ~50 years to catch up with the refs. The almost total shift shows that as stated in the refs, the addition of extra 1 to 3 eq. of formic(or acetic) works.

So the new...

5 formic
5 methylamine
(catalytic amount of magnesium chloride hexahydrate would be added here if it can dehydrate with the distillation)
heated to 160C as long as water distills
1 formic
1 ketone
(catalytic amount of anhydrous magnesium chloride would be added here)
slow heat stir distill to 155C then reflux

EDIT-> not new, really. Mostly a copy from
The Leuckart Reaction: A Study of the Mechanism
V. Webbers and W. Bruce
J. Am. Chem. Soc.
1948, 70 (4), 1422-1424
DOI: 10.1021/ja01184a038

Brand spankin' 1948 new!

EDIT 2-> zinc chloride should work and is easy to make anhydrous is the quantities needed from zinc and a dry HCl gassing rig

EDIT 3-> the big eurobees http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mdp2p.leuckart.txt are using HUGE excesses of formamide, lke 8.5-10 to 1 and varying excess of formic.

...and run under nitrogen or CO2. They are cheap. Drugs aren't.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 02:58:15 PM by disposable stirbar »

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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 07:23:37 PM »
Mikhail Bobylev has done work on accelerating the Leuckart reaction. Unfortunately he seems to have written little about it. You can see a patent application of his here. The claim is of drastically reduced reaction times.

The more interesting (IMO) alteration by the same author is briefly described here. It replaces formamide + formic acid with acetamide + formic acid. Acetamide is less expensive, less volatile, and more conveniently bought or prepared than formamide. Unfortunately I cannot find experimental details or any further writings on the topic. If you see articles in Highbeam Research about this guy's work, don't bother to try to obtain the full text: I did, and I found out that they are just abstracts for presentations with no more information than what you can read for free. I even went so far as to email one of his former student researchers to make some inquiries, but never got a response.

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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 05:11:57 AM »
Thanks , I never would have seen that if you didn't point it out.

I guess those big euro bees weren't using crazy excesses of amine.

The important bit from the patent application:
"In the present invention using the Leuckart reaction it was unexpectedly discovered that the reaction time can be dramatically decreased by decreasing the concentration of the aldehyde or a ketone used in the reaction. Certain specific molar ratios of the aldehyde (ketone), formic acid, and formamide (alkylformamide) the reaction time can be reduced to 30 minutes or lower without the use of microwave assistance. Surprisingly it was found, that in many cases the reaction becomes instant i.e. fully completed at the moment when it reaches the usual reaction temperature of 160-185.degree. C. The accelerated Leuckart reaction is equally successful if it is conducted with conventional or microwave heating.

The unique molar ratio of formamide (N-alkylformamide) to an aldehyde or a ketone is between 150:1 to 5:1 and most preferably between 100:1 to 10:1. The specific molar ratio of formamide (N-alkylformamide) to formic acid is between 20:1 to 6:1 and most preferably 10:1.

The specific temperature of the accelerated Leuckart reaction is between 150-200.degree. C., and most preferably 180-190.degree. C., if the reaction is conducted in an open system. It was found that the specific temperature of the accelerated Leuckart reaction is between 150 to 250.degree. C., most preferably 190-210.degree. C., if the reaction is conducted in a sealed system."

SWIDS can swing the lower ends of those numbers and the 10:1 6:1 numbers are euro hive bee approved!

I don't understand how acetamide is working in this reaction at all.

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Simplest MDxx synthesis or hoax !?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 08:27:03 PM »
Merged with an existing thread - Enkidu

I stumbled upon some old foreign site long ago and luckily
copied this interesting synthesis. It may sound ridiculous and most certainly low yielding
but what the heck, I decided to translate if for you so you can give your opinion on it!
Maybe it is just old school method I never heard about and maybe it is simple fraud,
any comments are welcome!

Reason why this synthesis interested me so much now is because of alleged MDA part,
Since there is no slightest chance for me to get some cyanoborohydride and formamide is not a problem.


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23 g MDP-2-P and 65 g N-metilformamide are mixed and heated
over 5h at 190°C. After mix is cooled down,100ml of water is added
and MDMA freebase is extracted with benzene. Benzene is striped out
under vacuum to yield brown oil. 8ml of methanol and 75ml of
15% HCl is added to the remaining oil. Mix is heated in hot
water bath for for 2h and than extracted with help of vacuum*
Otherwise you can add KOH until pH7 and extract oil with benzene and
let it evaporate under vacuum. You should get 11,7g of MDMA**
Same procedure is used to make MDA but instead of N-metilformamide
one should use formamide (HCONH2)


*After what apparently looks like salt formation out of freebase
I don't see why should you use vacuum and not let it to evaporate
on its own?! Maybe it is vacuum filtration...

**This step looks like neutralization and getting freebase from the salt you
just made, doesn't make sense to me.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 09:42:09 PM by Enkidu »
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 12:09:48 AM »
This really works!?
You guys ar amazing!!!  ;D
And I just noticed there is so much over my original l post...
Man I  am xanaxed,and  you just confused hell out of me...   ??? >:(  ;D looks like biggest problem
for you is formamide, so you go all over problems of its in situ formation
with acetamide, formic acid...right!?

I got both p.a.  formamide and formic acid, no problem with that, we can skip that part!
I live on other planet,sort of...at least when speaking about chemicals I can get thing unimaginable
to most people in EU or USA but simple things like benzene, methanol, hydroquinone are
next to Unobtanium isotopes for me.

Now when we eliminated problem with obtaining formamide can someone explain
why in some reaction they use only ketone/formamide and in others ketone/formamide/formic acid!?

You also confused me with MgCl2 hexahydrate and dehydrating it later?!
What for!? Why not to use anhydrous stuff at the beginning!?
And how can ketone distill off!? Damn thing won't distill w/o vacuum otherwise it polymerizes!
So what to use!? Reflux, distillation or closed setup with inert gas atmosphere!?
(and probably some kind of one way exhaust in latest to prevent explosion)

Anyone tried it!?
Any tips like what kind of apparatus for main reaction,best solvents etc...!?
Nitrogen/CO2 is no problem,magnesium chloride neither, only benzene
(probably can be substituted by toluene or hexane)
Looks like last synthesis on link you gave me Lugh suits me best,
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mdp2p.leuckart.txt
only if someone haw idea how to incorporate mentioned MgCl2 and inert gas.

Will it work on cca 100 smaller scale (5g of Ketone)!?
I am eager to try this and make report on that but I really don't want risk of losing
any more of the precious ketone on retarded mistakes like using EtOH instead of MeOH
for Al/Hg reductive amination. I need some more info!
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 12:44:52 AM »
Yields are generally quite low with phenylacetones, so be very careful  ;)  There's some alternatives that are supposed to work better that will take some time to dig up  8)
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 01:35:25 AM »
Of they are 50% or over that's find with me!
I just want few grams of MDA !!!  ;D
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 06:25:25 AM »
there is a microwave process that reputedly yeilds 90 percent and is done in about 15 minutes.
i don't have the reference(s) but the yeild killer is time and heat.

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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 01:22:10 PM »
That's Tetrahedron  Letters,  Vol.  37, No. 45. pp. 8177-8180, 1996  8)
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 01:48:22 PM »
I guess that common household microwave is out of question...
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 01:58:14 PM »
A common household microwave might work if modified properly  ;)  There's also Austrian patent 174057  8)
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2010, 05:57:22 PM »
Modification of household appliance allready putted me at the hospital once... ;D

This Austrian patent is basically same what Lokced wrote,I can't believe no one
has any newer and more detailed experiments with this method!?
It sounds promissing and I would gladly do some research if I had few hundred euros on side now... :P
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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 01:28:09 PM »
Here we go with a translation of the document provided by Lugh:

It is known that 3,4-Methylendioxybenzylmethylketon can be reacted to Safrylamine via the Leuckart reaction. For this purpose the ketone is heated in the presence of ammonium formate for a longer period of time at 160-165°C while water distills over and finally hydrolyses with HCl.

Yield 20% of theory. In the process the ketone is refluxed with formamid to which 20% of its own weight H2O an up to 5% of its weight acetic acid has been added 4-5h at an oil bath temperature of 150°C. In this process the transformation of the ketone takes place after the following equation:

as shown in the document

The formed formyl compound is isolated in usual fashion and the amine separated by hydrolisation in excellent yield. The additives H2O and acetic acid work regulating the transformation during the whole reaction time because they don't distill over; but the temperature may not exceed 150°C. The shorter reaction time works in the same way. With these measures the yield of safrylamine is quantified by the factor 3 compared to the procedure mentioned at the beginning.

Experimental part:
4.0 parts 3,4-Methylendioxybenzylmethylketon
11 parts Formamid
0·2 parts glacial acetic acid
2 parts water

are refluxed for 4-5h in an oil bath at 150°C. The excess formamid is removed under vacuo at 11 mmHg and the residue for the purpose of hydrolisation to the formylcompound refluxed with a solution of 6 parts KOH dissolved in 20 parts of alcohol and 5 parts of water for 20 minutes. Afterwards it is acidified with aqu. HCl and the alcohol removed from the water bath, the residue is diluted with water and the acidic solution is pruned of the non-basic components by filtration under the addition of charcoal. By precipitation with lye and extraction with ether of the amine and isolation of the same in usual manner one ends up with 2.8 parts of the amine (yield 70% of theory)

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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2010, 03:50:52 PM »
Look in the Leuckart Synthesis folder here
http://www.4shared.com/dir/2038202/e41cdcd7/sharing.html

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Re: Leuckart
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2011, 02:26:29 PM »
Can anyone reupload that? I can't seem to be able to download anything of it