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| Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-27-01 15:48 No 199197 |
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This is a work in progress. It’s by Mobius Bandsaw At present I have a fairly good grasp of the means and the end. You are invited and encouraged to contribute information you may have relating to this subject, we can work together to advance the cause of knowledge. Shall we begin? Forward: When I was given this forum I was also given something of a research assignment. It seems there is a great deal of interest in the production of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. (The forum was called “Homebrewing”) Both of these products may be obtained in quantity using methods which are in normal practice in industry. Industrial production of L-PACs uses methodologies which are not altogether removed from the art of distillers of spirits. While still speaking about theoretical methods of production of alcohols, and products of alcohols, it is hoped that a practical method of production of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine will be achieved which could be employed by the individual should circumstance find him in need of such capability. It should be noted from the outset that these methods, recipies, informations, and observations, are not intended to be used by any person. Further, all persons are hereby advised that use of this information to produce any substance for any illegal purpose is forbidden, and that the author expressly withdraws any permission to read, store, record, or in any way archive this work, from any person, persons, entity, or organisation, intending to use this information for any illegal purpose. Any methods discussed here are purely speculative, and for informative and entertainment purposes only, and have not been attempted. Untrained persons working with devices and substances mentioned here risk serious injury or death. Production by unlicensed individuals of any substance mentioned or described here could lead to criminal prosecution. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FUN WITH L-PAC production! Biotransformation processes involving both yeast (Candida utilis) and pyruvate decarboxylase (PDC) for the production of L-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC) from substrates benzaldehyde and pyruvate are an interesting field of study! L-PAC is an intermediate in the production of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. Models for the process with a substrate feeding profile for benzaldehyde will be proposed. Chiral vicinal aminoalcohols are key building blocks for the production of a number of pharmaceutical products. Important compounds which may be produced from chiral vicinal aminoalcohol precursors span a range of therapeutic categories and include pseudoephedrine. US Patent 5,834,261 describes a process that may be employed to produce a broad range of chiral vicinal aminoalcohols, both cyclic and acyclic. A particularly notable feature of this method is the ability to control the absolute configuration at chiral centers bearing both the amino and alcohol functionality to produce any of the four possible stereoisomers in high stereochemical purity. US Patent 5,942,644, issued in August 1999, is related to the process patent described above. This second patent covers the key intermediates that are involved in the production of chiral vicinal aminoalcohols. These compounds include the hydrazides and hydroxamic acids that are the immediate precursors of chiral vicinal aminoalcohols. The process for producing chiral vicinal aminoalcohols relies on readily available þ-ketoesters as starting materials. Examples of þ-ketoesters useful for the production of chiral vicinal aminoalcohols include the inexpensive compounds acetoacetic ester and þ-keto-phenylpropionic acid esters. Central to this method for the production of these chiral vicinal aminoalcohols is the combination of two key steps, each of which proceeds with a well-defined and controllable stereochemical outcome. The first step is the stereoselective reduction of the keto group of a þ-ketoester to produce the corresponding þ-hydroxyester. This reaction is catalyzed by an alcohol dehydrogenase in the presence of a nicotinamide cofactor. Because of the facile equilibrium between the two enantiomers of a 2-substituted- þ-ketoester in aqueous solution, the interconversion of these two stereoisomers occurs rapidly. The reduction of the ketone by an alcohol dehydrogenase occurs with a high degree of stereoselectivity, reducing only one of the two ketone enantiomers. The reduction of the ketone is highly stereoselective for the production of a single alcohol stereoisomer. so, two chiral centers are generated simultaneously by this enzymatic reaction, and this reaction provides for control of stereochemistry at both the C-2 and C-3 positions of the 2-substituted-þ-ketoester. NEXT: How earth people do it. ~~~~~~~~~~HOW EARTH PEOPLE DO IT~~~~~~~~~~~~ If your nitemares never include metalic voices coming over loudspeakers demanding that you throw out your five gallon plastic buckets and come out with your hands up, congratulations...you may be on Earth. Earth people find many wonderful uses for the humble five gallon plastic bucket, as we shall soon see. Any earth native who wishes to produce L-PAC at home may discover these utilitarian devices to be worth well more than their wieght in gold. To produce L-PAC using biosynth methods, one must first decide what will be fermented in the buckets. In the course of my research I have discovered that the liquid obtained by the crushing, grinding, pressing, and filtering of the common sugar beet is in fact the best possible substance to use for this method due to natural enzyme feeding, but it is by no means the only one, according to everyones favorite Uncle, even water may be used as a starting point! After obtaining the liquid to be used, one may wish to fortify it with a bit of brewers sugar. Into the 4.5 gallons of liquified beet extract one may add about 5 lbs of brewers sugar until the sugar no longer wishes to disolve, the reason for this being the already high sugar content of the extract. The next requirement is to add yeast. Not just any yeast will do. For our purposes the strain named Candida Utilis is understood to be best, however, experimentation is encouraged. Candida Utilis enjoys wide popularity, and may easily be obtained. The proper addition of yeast is a point of contention. Many "experts" say that one adds only a small amount, such as say a couple of packets of brewers yeast. Others state that it is necessary to put in an amount of wieght equal to the added sugar. It would seem to me that a benefit of doing this would be that the process will progress much quicker (three or four days, as opposed to three or four weeks) if one were to add the larger amount of yeast. Yeast is expensive if you buy it one package at a time. Most brewers know how to increase yeast. Those who do not are again encouraged to purchase a brewers manual detailing the method. Another required substance is Benzaldehyde. The production of L-PAC will be directly proportional to the amount of Benzaldehyde used. Returns are expected to be in the range of 60 to 80% the wieght of the added Benzaldehyde. Once the needed items have been procured one may begin the progress of biosynthesis. Step one involves mixing the nutrient, which is the liquid, and sugar. Next one adds the yeast to the mixture. Be careful to avoid contamination of your mixture! After combining the ingredients, place the top loosely on the five gallon bucket. With the passage of an hour or so one may begin to see the process of fermentation begining, it is felt that the passage of at least 10 hours is needed to allow the fermentation process to fully become active. After ten hours one must add the benzaldehyde. For this feeding profile the proper amount is calculated to be 60ML. After adding the Benzaldehyde the fermentation should be left to progress in a cool place away from sunlight. While underway this process also needs to be free of physical shock, such as thumps, and quaking, since this retards the process. If you have a Rock and Roll band and practice in the garage, don't do your biosynth there. NEXT: IT WORKED! NOW WHAT? ~~~~~~~~~IT WORKED! NOW WHAT?~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now that your fermentation has completed you have your precurson to ephedrine just floating around in your five gallon bucket. It's not doing you much good in there is it? The next thing you want to do is to recover your phenylpropanol which is what the yeast turned the sugars into with the help of the benzaldehyde. The most direct method of recovery is to use a centrifuge, but few of us have one on hand. A more practical method for the small scale producer is filtration. Now that you have your filtered liquid it is time to begin extracting the phenylpropanol. To extract the phenylpropanol, you will need to use a non polar solvent, here you may choose between Acetone, Tolulene, or Xylene (personal preference here is toward acetone). The about 200ml of NP should be added to the mixture, swirled, then allowed to seperate, then decanted, save it, your goodies are there. Repeat this proceedure three times. At the end of the third wash you should have your phenylpropanol in solvent. Next you will need to distill the solvent/phenylpropanol in order to remove the solvent. Once your solvent is largely gone you will again need to distill, but this time you will need to use vacuum in your distillation process. You will need to pull between 14 and 18 torr and your product will come over as phenylacetylcarbinol at between 105c and 155c. All that remains to be done is a fairly standard reductive amination, whereupon you will find yourself in possession of pure gak free ephedrine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~NOTE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Comments, suggestions, and refinements are all solicited. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REFERENCES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Uncle Fester, SOMM Shin, H.S. and Rogers, Production of L-PAC from benzaldehyde using partially purified pyruvate decarboxylase. Rogers, P.L., Shin, H.S. and Wang, Biotransformation for L-ephredrine production. The above was posted by: Mobius Bandsaw Benzaldehyde: Artificial essential oil of almond; artificial almond flavor is water, benzaldehyde and alcohol. Occurs in kernels of bitter almonds; made synthetically from benzal chloride (C6H5CHCl2) and lime, or by oxidation of toluene. Hydrolysing benzal chloride is no challenge, boiling in alkaline water. It's making it, by chlorinating toluene, and keeping it separated from benzyl chloride, the monochloro derivative, that's the challenge. In toluene oxidation, the challenge is to prevent overoxidation to benzoic acid. My ballot is marked for acidic manganese dioxide, but I have seen chromyl chloride mentioned. A convenient natural source of benzaldehyde is by hydrolysis of amygdalin. That spelling challenge is a double glucoside of mandelonitrile, benzaldehyde's cyanide derivative. Mostly in apricot pits and bitter almonds, also the seeds of peaches and cherries. In these natural sources is some free benzaldehyde, but most of it is locked in the amygdalin. But there is an enzyme in the natural seeds, which will hydrolyse the amygdalin for you, when you let the ground seed material stand in water; glucose, benzaldehyde, and hydrogen cyanide result. Posted by--anomolon This is a link you might want to look at http://www.geocities.com/dritte123/ephye tml Be sure to look up these two patents, 1956950 & 1962476. My intent on posting this information is for others to join in on the positive and see if we as a whole could bring this to a standard in our quest to rid our self’s of the dependance of a pill to produce a product. It should be looked at and responded to in that light... one bee of the Hive, Jacked Paid in Full |
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| Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-28-01 02:38 No 199320 |
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Could this thread be moved to the serious chemistry forum. It was a mistake placing it here I believe. Paid in Full |
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| slowhand (Stranger) 07-29-01 14:53 No 199661 |
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Swish is very happy that someone was able to rescue this post from the Zonez. Swish has full intention of giving this some serious experimentation when everything is gathered. |
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| Ololuiqui (Newbee) 08-21-01 09:22 No 206068 |
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This is veerrrrrrry interesting! 1) You suggest using acetone as the non-polar solvent... wouldnt acetone bee miscible with the sugar beet juice? 2) You use 200mL solvent for each extraction - isnt this far too little for 4.5gallons of solution? 3) Would this work for substituted benzaldehydes? 4) Is it really necessary to vac-distil the L-PAC before doing a reductive amination? Many thanks, Ololiuqui |
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| Rhodium (Chief Bee) 08-21-01 10:59 No 206116 |
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I have heard that the yields are very low with substituted benzaldehydes. |
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| jim (Hive Bee) 08-22-01 12:36 No 206424 |
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I refer you to this tid bit of info. __________________________________ !!!! I FORGOT TO QUOTE THAT THIS REACTION IS STRONGLY pH DEPENDENT AND BEST PROCEEDS AT A pH OF 8-9. !!!!! From Agric. Biol. Chem., Volume 50, yr 1986, page 1261 "Reductive C3-Homologation of Substituted Benzaldehydes by Fermenting Bakers' Yeast ... ... A unique reaction catalyzed by Bakers' Yeast is the reductive C-C bond formation in benzaldehyde that results in the formation of 1-phenylpropane-1,2-diol [ref 3]. This reaction is supposed to involve the attack of pyruvic acid, which is formed from sugars through a well known pathway, by benzaldhyde to give phenyl-1-hydroxy-2-propanone [ref 4]. This ketol is considered to be reduced by alcohol dehydrogenase of the yeast to give the diol. ... ... Reduction of aldehydes by fermenting yeast. General procedure. To 50 mL of tap water, 12.5 g of dry yeast and 10 g glucose were added, followed by stirring at room temperature for 10 minutes. Then a solution of aldehyde 1 (about 600 mg) in 1 mL of ethanol was added to the suspension of fermenting yeast with stirring. After 1 hour yeast (6.2 g) and glucose (5 g) were added to the reaction mixture, followed by stirring for an additional 3.5 hours. The reaction mixture was then poured into a beaker containing 35 grams of celite and extracted with 100 mL of ethyl acetate three times. The combined organic layer was dried over anhydrous Na2SO4. The solvent removed under reduced pressure to give an oil consisting of benzylic alcohol 3, 1-arylpropane-1,2 diol 3, and in some cases, 1-aryl-1-hydroxy-2-propanone 4. ... Table II. Yields and Steroselectivities of propanediols (a) ________________________________________ Substrate______Yield %____... ________________________________________ H______________30 p-OMe__________22 p-Me____________28 p-Cl____________27 p-F_____________26 p-NO2__________14 o-Me____________7 o-Cl_____________32 o-F_____________30 m-F____________31 CF3(e)__________0 _________________________ (a) Reactions were carried out in tap water at room temperature ... (e) All of the o-, m- p-substituted isomers gave no diols." _________________ If i remember correctly, the diol can be rearranged to form P2P with H2SO4 |
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| Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 08-22-01 21:45 No 206519 |
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You suggest using acetone as the non-polar solvent... wouldnt acetone bee miscible with the sugar beet juice? At the point in the procedure that the acetone is used, the sugar beet juice has been fermented. The solvent will collect what it is after, and seperate (layer). You use 200mL solvent for each extraction - isnt this far too little for 4.5gallons of solution? Most of the 4.5 gallons is junk that you are not interested in. The 200Ml per extraction is conservative, you may use more if you wish, the only complication is the added seperation/evaporation time. Would this work for substituted benzaldehydes? It would depend on the substitution Is it really necessary to vac-distil the L-PAC before doing a reductive amination? Yes. Without the vacuum distillation you will not be aminating only the desired substance. I am unsure what contaminates may reside in the undistilled form. For safety's sake, I would not skip this step. Answers were given to these questions by the writer of the original post. http://crystalninjas.net/jacked/disclaim |
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| Whizard (Stranger) 08-23-01 05:07 No 206566 |
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In your quotation from the journal you say: The solvent removed under reduced pressure to give an oil consisting of benzylic alcohol 3, 1-arylpropane-1,2 diol 3, and in some cases, 1-aryl-1-hydroxy-2-propanone 4. ... What is the 4. part of the last word? I do not want to assume anything!!! It also appears that the large excess of yeast is used to allow immediate gratification to the above mentioned experimentalists! I dunno, but I been told ... You never slow down, you never grow old! |
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| jim (Hive Bee) 08-23-01 14:03 No 206663 |
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To clarify: "... benzylic alcohol 3, 1-arylpropane-1,2 diol 3, and in some cases, 1-aryl-1-hydroxy-2-propanone 4. ..." the 3, and 4 refer drawings of the compounds on diagram not included. |
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| Antoncho (Official Hive Translator) 09-20-01 05:14 No 215161 |
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....having read the proc. about getting -propanediol from benzaldehyde, i couldn't help wondering about 2 things: 1) The procedure doesn't mention any sort of pH adjustment - how is pH supposed to get to 9? It also just looks strange - what is the origin of that 1st phrase, the one in CAPS? Jim, you still around? Please, explain! 2) Apart from the pH thing, the whole procedure seems completely identical to l-PAC production!! What is you think that makes the difference? Antoncho will bee VERY appreciative of any help on this issue, cause SW He Doesn't Even Know just happens to have a kilo of benzaldehyde lying around with no use for it :):):) Thank you all in advance, impatiently awaiting Antoncho P.S. Dear Moderators, do you really think this thread belongs here? - if mr. Jacked doesn't mind... |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 09-20-01 15:05 No 215347 |
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*****ADVANCES IN BIOCHEMICAL ENGINEERING/BIOTECHNOLOGY***** Rogers PL Shin HS Wang B Biotransformation for L-ephedrine production. In: Adv Biochem Eng Biotechnol (1997) 56:33-59 ISSN: 0724-6145 L-ephedrine is widely used in pharmaceutical preparations as a decongestant and anti-asthmatic compound. One of the key intermediates in its production is L-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC) which can be obtained either from plants (Ephedra sp.), chemical synthesis involving resolution of a racemic mixture, or by biotransformation of benzaldehyde using various yeasts. In the present review, recent significant improvements in the microbial biotransformation are assessed for both fed-batch and continuous processes using free and immobilised yeasts. From previous fed-batch culture data, maximal levels of L-PAC of 10-12 gl-1 were reported with yields of 55-60% theoretical based on benzaldehyde. However, recently concentrations of more than 22 gl-1 have been obtained using a wild-type strain of Candida utilis. This has been achieved through optimal control of yeast metabolism (via microprocessor control of the respiratory quotient, RQ) in order to enhance substrate pyruvate production and induce pyruvate decarboxylase (PDC) activity. Processes involving purified PDC have also been evaluated and it has been demonstrated that L-PAC levels up to 28 gl-1 can be obtained with yields of 90-95% theoretical based on the benzaldehyde added. In the review the advantages and disadvantages of the various strategies for the microbial and enzymatic production of L-PAC are compared. In view of the increasing interest in microbial biotransformations, L- PAC production provides an interesting example of enhancement through on-line control of a process involving both toxic substrate (benzaldehyde) and end-product (L-PAC, benzyl alcohol) inhibition. Shin, H.S. and Rogers, P.L. (1996) Production of L-PAC from benzaldehyde using partially purified pyruvate decarboxylase (PDC). Biotechnol. Bioeng. 49, 52-62. Shin, H.S. and Rogers, P.L. (1996) Kinetic evaluation of biotransformation of benzaldehyde to L-PAC by immobilized pyruvate decarboxylase. Biotechnol. Bioeng. 49, 429-436. This one looks really good, a review article! Oliver, A. L., Anderson, B. N. and Roddick, F. A. (1999) Factors affecting the production of L-phenylacetylcarbinol by yeast - a case study, Advances in Microbial Physiology, vol 41, pp1-41. V.B. Shukla and P.R. Kulkarni, (2000) L-Phenylacetylcarbinol (LPAC) : biosynthesis and industrial applications,World J. Microb. Biotech. 16, 499-506 (UK). Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| Prdy2GO (Newbee) 09-25-01 04:27 No 216691 |
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SWIM translation: OK all motovation inside starting with 4lbs white sugar and 2-3gallons h2o boiled and allowed to cool then added 1oz of active dry yeaqst (red and yellow jar) Question is this canditas utilits ? what would work better? Is that super yeast for beer the right stuff? About ten hours and then 60 ml distalled benzaldehyde was added. 4 days have elapsed and now I am thinking about what to do next? Thanks Hum did you get that? |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 09-25-01 12:02 No 216825 |
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Process parameters and reusability of the free cell mass of Torulaspora delbrueckii for the production of L-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC). AU: Shukla-V-B; Kulkarni-P-R {a} SO: World-Journal-of-Microbiology-and-Biotec April, 2001; 17 (3): 301-306.. PY: 2001 The effect of process parameters on the biotransformation of benzaldehyde to L-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC) using a yeast isolate identified as Torulaspora delbrueckii was studied. The maximum yield of L-PAC obtained was (331 mg) per 100 ml biotransformation medium (glucose 3%, peptone 0.6% and at pH 4.5) from 600 mg of benzaldehyde with 8 h of reaction at 30+-2degreeC. Growing the organism in presence of 3% glucose reduced the biotransformation time to 120 min. Addition of 0.6% acetaldehyde (30-35%) lead to an increase in L-PAC yield to 450 mg%. Semi-continuous feeding of benzaldehyde (200 mg) and acetaldehyde (200 mul) four times at 30 min intervals could produce 683 mg of L-PAC/100 ml biotransformation medium. Chiral HPLC analysis of purified L-PAC and PAC-diol showed 99% enantiomeric purity. The cell mass was found to be reusable for biotransformation up to nine times when benzaldehyde and acetaldehyde levels were maintained at (350 mg and 350 mul)-(400 mg and 400 mul). At concentrations from 450 mg and 450 mul to 600 mg and 600 mul, however the cell mass could give efficient biotransformation only during one use. Based on this you could get up to 100+ grams of L-PAC in a one day 5-gallon fermentation!! Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 09-26-01 17:11 No 217273 |
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I wonder what would happen if you put indolecarboxaldehyde in this fermentation??? Easy AMT? Would a RP/I reaction reduce indole? Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| thissuks (Hive Addict) 10-12-01 11:07 No 223365 |
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BISD: Built-in shit detector |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-13-01 11:48 No 223832 |
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pardon my stupidity, but: this biosynth states that it creates l-ephedrine (after reductive amination of l-pac). However, upon reduction, won't this yield l-methamphetamine? Forgive me if I am incorrect, but isn't the l-isomer of methamphetamine much less effective, and is used in vicks' inhalers? Flames welcome. Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| Rhodium (Synaptic Cleft Mountaineer) 10-13-01 20:00 No 223952 |
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l-ephedrine gives d-methamphetamine, and d-pseudoephedrine gives d-methamphetamine. Seems a little illogical at the first glance, but that is indeed the case. |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-14-01 03:05 No 224026 |
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yes, thanks rhodium, I realised that after I left and was reading a doc on catalytic hydrogenation, and it said (-)-ephedrine and (+)-psuedoephedrine yield (+)-methamphetamine. I knew d-psuedoephedrine gave us the right isomer, I assumed it was the same for ephedrine. I've been looking around for a nice way to get some benzaldehyde to use in this. looking at the "phenylacetones.htm" file I found a patent reference for the production of benzyl chloride by the chlorination of toluene (it's the same thing as toluene with 1 xtra Cl on the carbon outcrop). The process bubbled Cl2 through Toluene, but it also said that using "bleaching powder" at high temperature with an acid provides nascent chlorine. However, the guy who wrote this has a bitch about side products. Now here is the NICE bit: "I have discovered, however...., by heating to a high temperature an anhydrous mixture of toluene and bleachin powder, with thorough commingling, and without the use of any acid, the chlorination of the toluene is effected without any of the disadvantages incident to the processes above referred to. In the absence of any added water the chlorin from the bleaching powder seems to go directly to produce benzyl chlorid in the side chain without attacking the nucleus, even though the process is carried on in the presence of iron, as in an iron vessel" Hmm. That looks nice. The reaction is pretty much: Heat toluene to 90'C. Slowly add equal amount (weight) of Ca(OCl)2 (pool shock), and raise temperature to 100'-105'C, leaving it there 1 hour or until reaction complete. Settle. Decant of oil. This oil contains 30-35% benzyl chloride and 65-70% toluene. However, We don't want benzyl chloride, do we? We want BENZAL chloride. The patent goes on to describe that if sufficient amount of Ca(OCl)2 is added, the toluene is completely converted to Benzal Chloride and Benzo Trichloride. Upon boiling in alkaline water, we get Benzaldehyde and Benzoic acid. Voila. Hope this will be a good addition to the home-brew-E method, as many bees don't have that much benzaldehyde lying around. Check out the patent: ![]() Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-14-01 08:58 No 224105 |
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Sorry you can't see the above. The patent is: U.S. Pat.#1,280,612 Also, if the concentration of benzaldehyde in synthetic almond essence is high enough, then the alcohol could just be boiled off, and the rest plopped into the bucket. Also, is it possible to get out the L-PAC in a fashion that does not require vacumn distillation? Ooooh! Here we go, info on the almond essence: Bitter Almond oil is a light colourless liquid with a characteristic 'marzipan' scent. It main constituents are benzaldehyde (95%) and prussic acid (3%)." bitchin! That's an extremely high amount. However, I'm not convinced that this will be the concentration in OTC almond essence. Perhaps if "imitation" essence is used, there will be no prussic acid, as the essence will be made from benzaldehyde, rather than via almonds. Maybe? Maybe not. I'll be watching & working with you on this one. Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-14-01 09:06 No 224112 |
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pardon my ever growing list of posts but... It seems that the strain Candida Utilis is often one of the organisms responsible for... VAGINAL YEAST INFECTIONS! This is really, really, really gross. Okay, so who's going to be the first person to make ephedrine from almond essence, vaginal yeast & sugar beets and then meth from phosphorous from a human skull, and iodine from stinky ol' kelp & dead fish. Mmmmm. yummy. You can't get much more ORGANIC with this organic chemistry. This is bad. This is very very bad. Vaginal yeast. <Shudder> Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-14-01 10:41 No 224148 |
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So ya's all want some Candida Utilis, ey? There's pretty much three ways of getting it: 1. By accident. 2. From a culture collection - fork out $100 and get the third degree - "now ma'am, why did you want to buy this sealed culture container?" You should see the license agreement you have to sign. 3. Go to a health store / pet store / big supermarket and ask for Torula Yeast. After much searching around for this damned strain of yeast, I found it. Candida utilis (formerly Torulopsis utilis) is the yeast known as Torula Yeast. This yeast is also important in industry because it can utilize the pentose sugars from processed wood pulp used in making paper. Gee, ya don't say? Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| PolytheneSam (Master Searcher) 10-14-01 11:29 No 224184 |
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See US patent 2061136 for some other ways (other than MeNH2 and Al/Hg) of aminating L-PAC and 3,4- substituted L-PACs. http://www.geocities.com/dritte123/PSPF. |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-15-01 12:43 No 224546 |
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SWIM's choice of action would be to aminate with methylamine, then reduce with either palladium or Urushibara Nickel (NiCl2 and Al). A thought on the reductive amination of L-PAC: the product of this is l-ephedrine, correct? If this is so, and catalytic hydrogenation is applied (in leiu of NaBH4 or LiAlH4), then shouldn't this l-ephedrine be further reduced to d-methamphetamine at the same time? (naturally, extra time/hydrogen would be given to ensure complete reduction. I assume that since methamphetamine has no more oxygen to reduce, that there is no risk of over-reducing with this method? I am particularly interested in the above procedure, and would love to hear some more from the author. In wishing to simplify this procedure a bit more, mainly for the sake of those who do not have vacumn distillation apparatus, but also to reduce time and effort in create large quantities, I am currently looking into different ways of extracting the L-PAC from the fermentation mixture that does not require the above-mentioned apparatus. Perhaps a clever adaptation of selective solubility may be in order? I'll check the library later, but if anybody has solubility data regarding L-PAC, It would be very welcome. But then again, a fermentation is rather organic (gee ya don't say), and much speculation could be made as to what this mixture actually contains (anyone care for trying to read a GC/MS?). I'm sure people don't want to be snorting Torula yeast up their nose - but then again, it is a diet suppliment, is it no? Tired but still working as always, Encopo. Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| dickdastardly (Stranger) 10-19-01 07:09 No 226338 |
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Kudos to you for putting this info out there jacked. But I only have one last question left how do you perform a simple reductive amination. You see I'm a newbee and would like to get a simpler version of what I've seen posted thanks ________________________________________ Knowlege is power |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-19-01 12:36 No 226514 |
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Okie dokie, here's how it is. Reductive Amination: Well the "reductive" bit refers to reducing. Reducing is synonymous with "hydrogenation". Let's say you have a compound like the following: # double bond / - \ single bond O oxygen atom C carbon atom H hydrogen atom O # H C H \ / \ / H-C C-H | | H-C C-H / \ / \ H C H / \ H H Pardon the ascii art. This is cyclohexanone (keto form). If we REDUCE this (HYDROGENATION) using catalytic hydrogenation (that just means reducing with hydrogen and a catalyst - something that speeds up the reaction, but doesn't become part of the reaction products), we will get: OH | H C H \ / \ / H-C C-H | | H-C C-H / \ / \ H C H / \ H H cyclohexanol. Can you see how the hydrogen has "attached" itself to the oxygen atom, by breaking one of the bonds that it had with the carbon atom? If we continue to reduce we get: H H \ / H C H \ / \ / H H-C C-H / | | + O H-C C-H \ / \ / \ H H C H / \ H H cyclohexane Can you see how further reducing(hydrogenation) has fully removed the Oxygen atom from the compound? Now it has bonded with another hydrogen atom, and no-longer has a bond to the carbon atom, so it drops off as water (H2O). Now the carbon is 2 bonds too short, and bonds with 2 more hydrogens to "fill itself up". This is how reducing works. If you look at ephedrine, you'll see that it has an alpha-hydroxy group (another name for an OH). If you reduce ephedrine, this O bonds with another H atom and drops off as H2O. Then more H's come along to "fill up the space", and we get methamphetamine (a powerful and dangerous stimulant, a controlled substance in many countries). So now you know what REDUCING is. But you want to know what reductive amination means? Well, to AMINATE something refers to reacting a compound with ammonia (NH3), or an ammonia-containing compound, such as methylamine (NH2CH3) to produce an imine (never mind what that means). Reductive amination is the action of: 1. reacting a compound with an ammonia-containing compound. 2. reducing the formed imine Thus, when we reductively aminate safrole, we add NH2CH3, and then we hydrogenate it (reduce it), to give us 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (pay honey). If we're making honey from bromosafrole, we don't need to reduce it, we just aminate it with ammonia (NH3). This is why the bromosafrole method is popular with some people, as it can be sealed up inside a container and sat for several days (until it finished aminating), or put into a pipe-bomb and heated to 130'C in hot oil for 2 hours (this aminates faster). In turning L-PAC into l-ephedrine, one could aminate with methylamine in the pipe-bomb, and then reduce it with sodium borohydride (NaBH4), or aluminum amalgam (Al/Hg), catalytic hydrogenation with raney nickel, or possibly even with an urushibara catalyst such as created from nickel chloride (NiCl2) and aluminum. Many other ways exist to reduce this formed imine. If one had the glassware, the pipe-bomb would be replaced with a reflux condenser and a round-bottomed flask, and the mixture of methylamine in methanol and the L-PAC would be refluxed for the necessary amount of time. Many reductive aminations reduce and aminate at the same time, such as the popular Al/Hg method (not actually the Al/Hg method, but an extension a bee has made to it that aminates and reduces at the same time). So I hope that explains reductive amination. For more info, visit Rhodium's site at http://www.rhodium.ws/ and look at some of the info on different methods (of interest to you might be the bromosafrole/halosafrole route that uses the pipe-bomb for aminating. However, this reaction aminates with ammonia, not methylamine as is required for reductively aminating L-PAC). Hope I could sort some things out for you. And now I need a big dump (darned coffee). Sphincterally yours, Encopo. Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| dickdastardly (Stranger) 10-20-01 03:08 No 226773 |
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aha that was just the info that is going to be saving me some money dag nabbit. You my freind encopo are a lifesaver. I just read a post on microwave hydrogenation. Would you reccomend this method. No more stupid pills for me.------------------------------------- |
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| malvaxman (Newbee) 10-20-01 03:39 No 226786 |
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What about reducing the imine with elektricity, is´nt that a way to go? I still dont understand how one could sepate out l-pac out of the soup with acetone. Is normal yeast for baking bread possible to use? |
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| dickdastardly (Stranger) 10-20-01 03:50 No 226789 |
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IN the halosafrole amination should I put the 1 mole of the L-PAC instead of the methylamine in the reaction to produce ephedrine |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-20-01 07:45 No 226850 |
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oooh, nononononono. That would have dire consqeuences. Well, not dire, but not what you want. And wasteful (two nice precursors down the drain). I'm not sure what you want to do, but: * If you want to use the halosafrole method to make a halosafrole (such as bromosafrole), and then reductively aminate it, then you should aminate it with AMMONIA, as outlined nicely in the halosafrole/bromosafrole docs. * If you want to make the L-PAC into ephedrine, then you want to reductively aminate with methylamine, and your choice of reducing procedure. A procedure that used the pipe bomb FROM the halosafrole procedure to be able to aminate the L-PAC with methylamine (NOT ammonia) in the proper methanol solution, would aminate nicely, and then you could procede to reduce. As for extracting L-PAC with acetone, I'll be looking up on the solubility of L-PAC in various solvents. Then I will let you all in on the info. If someone can suggest a better method than selective solubility, I'd be glad to hear it (no, not distilling - many bees don't have/can't afford the glassware). And yes, I believe that a catalytic hydrogenation of some description would be best for reducing the formed imine (using electrolytically produced hydrogen, or if using Urushibara, perhaps the nascent hydrogen generation from aluminum would be sufficient (although I doubt it).). Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| dickdastardly (Stranger) 10-20-01 16:24 No 227038 |
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I was just reminiscing on my days of youth in my physical science class and remembered a procedure in which a large flashlight battery was used to seperate hydrogen and oxygen and as I remember it it produced hydrogen quite well. Hell the teacher even lit the test tube full of hydrogen when he was done. Nuff to convince me man. |
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| encopo (Hive Bee) 10-21-01 01:26 No 227143 |
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In response to the use of normal baker's yeast in creating L-PAC, I wouldn't suggest it. In just the same way that cows are different animals to lions, you can't expect Simba to be able to provide the solvent for your breakfast cereal, no? Sure, SOMETHING will be created, and maybe even SOME L-PAC will be created, but the conditions under which baker's yeast proliferates would be different, and the end products would not really be the ones we're after here. On microwave hydrogenation: Microwave hydrogenation seems to reduce reaction times when compared to a reaction that provides hydrogen by a dissolving metal such as aluminum, but not when compared to using raney nickel in a parr-shaker hydrogenation setup. Since Urushibara catalysts are far more OTC than raney nickel, and don't have the pyrophoric properties, they would be an easier choice for the chemical/apparatus deprived. The use of one of the electrolytic hydrogenation device mentioned throughout the hive (the ultrasonic refreshing one looks VERY nice), would be good in this respect, if a high-enough quality urushibara catalyst was prepared. The hydrogen in this method is provided by the electrolysis of water with an electrolyte (such as NaOH) dissolved in it to provide H2 gas (and O2 gas), and this cuts down on reaction time. The use of ultrasonic refreshing acts to create the environment at an atomic level of high-pressure and temp, whilst being performed in an apparatus at room temp & press. As someone said "the ultrasonic transducers literally slam the hydrogen and ephedrine together". Of course, that was in reference to reducing ephedrine to methamphetamine, but a simliar principle would apply. A note of warning though: A method that myself and many other bees would find easy may be more daunting and/or dangerous to an unexperienced newbee. The creation of Urushibara catalysts requires the use of a carcinogenic and toxic compound - NiCl2 (nickel chloride). However, a chip a stray cat recently coughed up (this time in my lounge) describes a person who has done some experiments in creating the NiCl2 in situ. from nickel oxide, and then directly proceeding with the creation of an Urushibara catalyst. I will post these findings later this week, after I have deciphered the strange dialect that it is written in. If this works, many newbees would be able to explore the use of this exciting reducing agent, requiring only OTC products, some time, and some caution. By creating the NiCl2 in situ, one avoids cancerous tumours forming in embarrasing places. lymphatically bloatedly yours, Encopo. Don't mind me. I'm mentally ill. |
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| thissuks (Hive Addict) 11-05-01 12:22 No 233119 |
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€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ *****AMERICAN JOURNAL OF GASTROENTEROLOGY***** Nadir A Agrawal S King PD Marshall JB Acute hepatitis associated with the use of a Chinese herbal product, ma-huang [see comments] In: Am J Gastroenterol (1996 Jul) 91(7):1436-8 ISSN: 0002-9270 Herbal medicines are widely perceived by the public as being healthful and innocuous. A number of herbal medicines have now been linked with hepatotoxicity. We report a case of acute hepatitis associated with the use of ma-huang, a herbal product derived from plants of the Ephedra species, which is advertised as being useful for causing weight loss and enhancing energy levels. Given the lack of reports in the literature of hepatotoxicity with ma-huang and ephedrine, we speculate that the ma-huang product our patient took contained some other ingredient or contaminant or was misidentified. Our report and others in the literature, which we review, indicate that the clinician should consider herbal medicines as a possible cause of unexplained liver injury. Registry Numbers: 299-42-3 (Ephedrine) €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ *****EMBO JOURNAL***** Malek O Lattig K Hiesel R Brennicke A Knoop V RNA editing in bryophytes and a molecular phylogeny of land plants. In: EMBO J (1996 Mar 15) 15(6):1403-11 ISSN: 0261-4189 RNA editing has been observed to date in all groups of vascular plants, but not in bryophytes. Its occurrence was therefore assumed to correlate with the evolution of tracheophytes. To gain more insight into both the phylogeny of early land plants and the evolution of mitochondrial RNA editing we have investigated a number of vascular and non-vascular plant species. Contrary to the belief that editing is absent from bryophytes, here we report mitochondrial RNA editing in cox3 mRNA of the liverwort Pellia epiphylla, the mosses Tetraphis pellucida and Ceratodon purpureus and the hornwort Anthroceros crispulus. RNA editing in plants consequently predates the evolution of tracheophytes. Editing is also found in the eusporangiate ferns Ophioglossum petiolatum and Angiopteris palmiformis, the whisk fern Tmesipteris elongata and the gnetopsid Ephedra gerardiana, but was not detected in Gnetum gnemon.cox3 mRNA of the lycopsid Isoetes lacustris shows the highest frequency of RNA editing ever observed in a plant, with 39% of all cytidine residues converted to uridines. The frequency of RNA editing correlates with the genomic GC content rather than with the phylogenetic position of a species. Phylogenetic trees derived from the slowly evolving mitochondrial sequences find external support from the assessments of classical systematics. Registry Numbers: EC 1.9.3.1 (Cytochrome-c Oxidase) €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ *****ADVANCES IN BIOCHEMICAL ENGINEERING/BIOTECHNOLOGY***** Rogers PL Shin HS Wang B Biotransformation for L-ephedrine production. In: Adv Biochem Eng Biotechnol (1997) 56:33-59 ISSN: 0724-6145 L-ephedrine is widely used in pharmaceutical preparations as a decongestant and anti-asthmatic compound. One of the key intermediates in its production is L-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC) which can be obtained either from plants (Ephedra sp.), chemical synthesis involving resolution of a racemic mixture, or by biotransformation of benzaldehyde using various yeasts. In the present review, recent significant improvements in the microbial biotransformation are assessed for both fed-batch and continuous processes using free and immobilised yeasts. From previous fed-batch culture data, maximal levels of L-PAC of 10-12 gl-1 were reported with yields of 55-60% theoretical based on benzaldehyde. However, recently concentrations of more than 22 gl-1 have been obtained using a wild-type strain of Candida utilis. This has been achieved through optimal control of yeast metabolism (via microprocessor control of the respiratory quotient, RQ) in order to enhance substrate pyruvate production and induce pyruvate decarboxylase (PDC) activity. Processes involving purified PDC have also been evaluated and it has been demonstrated that L-PAC levels up to 28 gl-1 can be obtained with yields of 90-95% theoretical based on the benzaldehyde added. In the review the advantages and disadvantages of the various strategies for the microbial and enzymatic production of L-PAC are compared. In view of the increasing interest in microbial biotransformations, L- PAC production provides an interesting example of enhancement through on-line control of a process involving both toxic substrate (benzaldehyde) and end-product (L-PAC, benzyl alcohol) inhibition. Registry Numbers: EC 4.1.1.1 (Pyruvate Decarboxylase) 100-52-7 (benzaldehyde) 299-42-3 (Ephedrine) 67-64-1 (Acetone) 90-63-1 (1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone) palladium foil |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 11-06-01 13:23 No 233432 |
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Manufacture of L-phenylacetylcarbinol with Saccharomyces and preparation of L-ephedrine therefrom. Horitsu, Hiroaki; Otsubo, Tetsuya. (Alps Yakuhin Kogyo K. K., Japan; Horitsu, Hiroaki). Jpn. Kokai Tokkyo Koho (1997), 4 pp. CODEN: JKXXAF JP 09234090 A2 19970909 Heisei. Patent written in Japanese. Abstract L-Phenylacetylcarbinol (I) is manufd. from pyruvic acid (II) and PhCHO in a medium contg. C source with Saccharomyces yeast. L-Ephedrine (III) is prepd. from I manufd. by the above method. Bakers' yeast was precultured in a medium contg. molasses, salts, II, and vitamin B1 at 30° for 1 h. Subsequently PhCHO was added to the culture over 1 h and the incubation was continued for 5 h to give I. A mixt. of I, AcOBu, MeOH soln. of MeNH2, Adams Pt oxide, and MeOH was autoclaved at 3 atm H ro give III. Method for isolation of L-ephedrine hydrochloride and sulfate salts. Vondracek, Miloslav; Svoboda, Ivan. (Vyzkumny Ustav Antibiotik A Biotransformaci S.P., Czech Rep.). Czech Rep. (1996), 4 pp. CODEN: CZXXED CZ 281218 B6 19960717 Patent written in Czech. Abstract L-Ephedrine hydrochloride and sulfate salts can be isolated from a reaction mixt. by reductive amination of D-(-)-1-phenyl-1-hydroxy-2-propanone at pH 10-13 and removing the catalyst with an org. phase, then bringing the pH to 1-6 with concd. HCl or H2SO4, with azeotropic distn. to remove 70-100% of the vol. of the water present and to release the desired salt. L-Ephedrine from phenylacetyl carbinol. Nebesky, Ferdinand; Souhrada, Josef; Jakl, Vladimir. (Czech.). Czech. (1978), 3 pp. CODEN: CZXXA9 CS 186027 19781130 Patent written in Czech. Abstract Phenylacetylcarbinol was hydrogenated at 50-5° and H pressure 202.6 kPa over a Pt catalyst in AcOBu contg. HCl with portionwise addn. of an aq. 35-40% MeNH2 soln. To give a mixt. of the L-(I) and DL-ephedrine, which was sepd. by crystn. to yield 88% I.HCl. Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 11-06-01 13:29 No 233436 |
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This is cool, If you are up to the plant cell culture, which is much more difficult than growing yeast. Method for producing ephedrine from large-scale Ephedra cell culture. Cha, Lihang; Jiao, Yuxia; Liu, Dalu; Zhu, Weixing; Zhang, Guozheng; Tang, Lianghong. (Institute of Chemical Metallurgy, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Peop. Rep. China; Xinjiang Tuofeng Pharmaceutic Industry Co., Ltd.). Faming Zhuanli Shenqing Gongkai Shuomingshu (2000), 13 pp. CODEN: CNXXEV CN 1256316 A 20000614 Patent written in Chinese. Abstract Ephedrine is produced by inoculating Ephedra cell ZHJ-25CGMCCNo.0359 in a culture, culturing at 25° for 20-50 d by solid culturing, suspension culturing, or bioreactor culturing, and drying at 60°. The culture is prepd. by adding 0.7% agar to a soln. contg. KNO3 2.0-10.0, CuSO4 0.0001-0.001, NaH2PO4 0.3- 5.0, ZnSO4 0.001-0.01, MgSO4 0.5-3.5, (EDTA)Fe 0.1-2, Na3BO3 0.001-0.007, kinetin 0.001-0.01, (NH4)2SO4 0.5- 2.0, indoleacetic acid 0.001-0.01, CaCl2 0.5-5.0 mM, and sugar 1.0-10.0%, boiling, and sterilizing at 121° for 15 min. The culture may also contain phenylalanine 0.1-20 mM, fungus fermn. liquor 10-50%, vitamin B 0.4-0.5 mM, and nicotinic acid 0.078 mM. Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 11-06-01 13:33 No 233440 |
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Ephedra species: in vitro culture, micropropagation, and the production of ephedrine and other alkaloids. O'dowd, N. A.; Mccauley, P. G.; Wilson, G.; Parnell, J. A. N.; Kavanagh, T. A. K.; Mcconnell, D. J. School of Botany, Trinity College, University of Dublin, Dublin, Ire. Biotechnol. Agric. For. (1998), 41(Medicinal and Aromatic Plants X), 154-193. CODEN: BAFOEG ISSN: 0934-943X. Journal; General Review written in English. CAN 128:101114 Abstract A review with 102 refs. This could bee very interesting. Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 11-06-01 13:51 No 233448 |
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1-Ephedrine. Groeger, Detlef; Schmauder, Hans P.; Froemmel, Helmut. Ger. (East) (1966), 3 pp. CODEN: GEXXA8 DD 51651 19661125 Patent written in German. Abstract The title compd. (I) is prepd. by aerobic fermentation of a soln. of 18-25% beet molasses, 0.03-0.07% MgSO4.7H2O, 0.1-0.15% KH2PO4, 0.3-0.6% (NH4)2SO4 at pH 4.7-5.2, contg. small amts. of coenzymes, vitamin B, or whey and Saccharomyces cerevisiae, during 9 hrs. Within 4 hrs., 4 addns. of 0.2% C6H5CHO and AcH are added. A yield of 55-76% L-phenylacetylcarbinol is obtained which is treated by known methods to give I. This one here looks like GOLD!!! Factors affecting the production of L-phenylacetylcarbinol by yeast: a case study. Oliver A L; Anderson B N; Roddick F A ADVANCES IN MICROBIAL PHYSIOLOGY (1999), 41 1-45. Ref: 112. Journal code: 2NT. ISSN:0065-2911. Abstract L-Phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC) is the precursor for L-ephedrine and D-pseudoephedrine, alkaloids possessing alpha- and beta-adrenergic activity. The most commonly used method for production of L-PAC is a biological method whereby the enzyme pyruvate decarboxylase (PDC) decarboxylates pyruvate and then condenses the product with added benzaldehyde. The process may be undertaken by either whole cells or purified PDC. If whole cells are used, the biomass may be grown and allowed to synthesize endogenous pyruvate, or the cells may be used as a catalyst only, with both pyruvate and benzaldehyde being added. Several yeast species have been investigated with regard to L-PAC-producing potential; the most commonly used organisms are strains of Saccharomyces cerevisiae and Candida utilis. It was found that initial high production rates did not necessarily result in the highest final yields. Researchers then examined ways of improving the productivity of the process. The substrate, benzaldehyde, and the product, L-PAC, as well as the by-products, were found to be toxic to the biomass. Methods examined to reduce toxicity include modification of benzaldehyde dosing regimes, immobilization of biomass or purified enzymes, modification of benzaldehyde solubility and the use of two-phase reaction systems. Various means of modifying metabolism to enhance enzyme activity, relevant metabolic pathways and yield have been examined. Methods investigated include the use of respiratory quotient to influence pyruvate production and induce fermentative activity, reduced aeration to increase PDC activity, and carbohydrate feeding to modify glycolytic enzyme activity. The effect of temperature on L-PAC yield has been examined to identify conditions which provide the optimal balance between L-PAC and benzyl alcohol production, and L-PAC inactivation. However, relatively little work has been undertaken on the effect of medium composition on L-PAC yield. Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| thissuks (Hive Addict) 11-06-01 16:05 No 233543 |
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where did you find all that? I might be wrong but dont we want D-ephedrine palladium foil |
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| TrickEMethod (Newbee) 11-06-01 17:08 No 233585 |
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Here's two more possibilities for Benz from Toluene that I have found. 1) Photooxidation of Toluene in Cation-Exchange Zeolites 2) Oxygenation of Hydrocarbons using Nanostructured TiO2 as a Photocatalyst Now number one is interesting, here is the puchline... Toluene photooxidation was investigated in BaX and BaY (zeolites - BIG MAGIC). Toluene was introduced into the infrared cell at a pressure of approximately 10 torr and alllowed to equilibrate for one hour. Gas-phase toluene was subsiquently pumped out leaving strongly absorbed toluene. Quantitative measures of the toluene absorption indicated that the loading was approximately 2 toluene molecules per supercage. Molecular oxygen was then added to the infrared cell... sample was irradiated with broadband for 1hr... The end result is that BaY zeolite produced a 87% yeald then was nearly fully recycled. Now BaY Zeolite can only be gotten from the petuitary of the invitro fetus of an extinct species of tree lizards, but otherwise the method is perfect. The second synth is more viable however, needing only Tol, O2 (atm probably would work with patience) and TiO2 which is Titanium white used as a paint thickener and coloring... Details were irritatingly thin, but Tol was oxidized in the presence of a TiO2 catalyst produced via flame deposition on a unnamed substrate. Two hours with bubbled O2 (rate not provided) under UV radiation from a Hg lamp with nearly theoretic conversion and selectivity. Too tired to retype the reference tonight, but if people are interested I might tomorrow. Let me know what you think, butI intend to try a TiO2 held in suspension by bubbling O2 thru Toluene. I figure recycle the O2 with a pump to really churn things up and hit it hard with UV from all sides via a reflector. Of course I just realized that: Toluene + O2 + Heat might lead to an exothermic side reactions involving the local authorities via kitchen rearangement which would reduce the selectivity of the outcome. Maybe I'll wait to hear from wiser bee's, and maybe some sleep, before I dream such things... TrickE And on the eight day, God created Meth... ... and hasn't done much of anything usefull since! |
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| foxy2 (Distinctive Doe) 11-07-01 04:18 No 233782 |
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suk No you want L-ephedrine. I have a good book here "Principles of Brewing Science" by George Fix It has some pretty good basic info on all the chemical transformations in yeast. Mine is the old edition, I heard the new one was easier to understand, that could mean that he left out many good details but maybee he didn't. Ok now to the goods. Mr Fix says that Mg++ is a cofactor for the pyruvic acid decarboxylase enzyme. So I would say that you definately want/need some Magnesium in your media. Use epsom salt (MgSO4) in the amount recommended in one of the above media compositions. Do Your Part To Win The War |
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| dickdastardly (Stranger) 11-10-01 17:49 No 235102 |
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Well I went to the grocery store to find me some Torula Yeast. No luck so's I decided to look for it on the net and guess what I found Ya'll http://www.ohly.de/hutch.htm [url]http:// |
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| Shooting_Star (Newbee) 02-18-02 06:05 No 270916 |
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Since this same subject came up in the Crystal Meth forum, ressurecing this seems worthwhile. My questions on the matter are: Since both the precursor and the product (along with the side reaction products) are toxic to the biomass, is there perhaps some way to periodically rinse the yeast so as to refresh them and keep them viable? Perhaps some sort of filtering to remove the nascent liquor for processing out the ephedrine, then returning the yeast to the fermenttion vessle to continue eating, reproducing and makeing more gold? This one really seems like a good way to keep a low profile whilst continuing to cook. (BTW, while vaginal yeas may be a strain of Candida, it is C albicans, not C. utilis) burn-out only occurs if you go too fast in the wrong direction |
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| Organikum (Newbee) 03-10-02 23:27 No 280073 |
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Yeast & L-PAC Look up: WO 90/04631 US 6,271,008 WO 01/44486 US 5,173,413 DE 518029 (german) GB 365535 all at: http://ch.espacenet.com/espacenet/ch/en/ more to follow, if someone cares ORGY (who seeks for a bee experienced in catalytic hydrogenation/red. alkylation for putting together parts fitting so easily. Has done research on yeast not only in theory and now... PM!) "I hope I'm becoming more eccentric. More room, you know. More room in the brain." |
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| Organikum (Newbee) 03-12-02 04:49 No 280685 |
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Sorry in thy above post was a typo: Thy german patent is: DE1518029 it is identical with GB1118293 whoooo not one noticed it. seems me and my ketoalcohol will stay thy lonesome riders... ...no! Not all alone. Shop closed. ORGY "I hope I'm becoming more eccentric. More room, you know. More room in the brain." |
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| Organikum (Newbee) 03-16-02 00:28 No 282983 |
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Yes we proudly present, thy neverbefore shown image of thy mysterious EPHEDRINE BIOSYNTH ![]() A Pic, a pic, a pic! As nobody wants to read patents nowadays (P-SAM ya thy guilty one ya did it intentional confess! Hey look, thats what it looks like, hold it before it undergoes racemisation! Oh, too late, its only PAC, no L-PAC anymore. For those searching for valid information before starting thy part of free phantasting this may be helpful. WO 90/04631 enough is enough ya´ll get no colored one. ORGY "I hope I'm becoming more eccentric. More room, you know. More room in the brain." |
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| java (Stranger) 03-22-02 02:52 No 285901 |
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I read the posting and I have also tried to understand the reading on Biotransformation for L-ephedrine Production. by P.L. Rogers,H.S. Shin and B. Wang found in the pub lished by Springer on volume 56 Advances in Biochemical Engineering Biotechnology First in the use of Candida Utilis, the max growth occured at PH 7 while the RQ( respiratory quotient ) value = 4 this value being the O2 AND CO2 concentration and the relative stirring of the metabolic step of the production. While the article is good the data ca be confusing , also they use equipment out of reach for many of us. However I would like to post the whole article for the interpretation of the reader , since many may not have access to the original work. I would like to know if this would be cool or does it go against some type of policy of the forum ? The Journal that contains the article is pricy $150 dol. but its info is worth it. |
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| ballzofsteel (Hive Bee) 03-22-02 08:06 No 286014 |
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Dont know if its cool or not,but I shure would like to catch a glimpse of that.Ive searched briefly on the net for it but only keep coming up with the same few paragraphs,telling me that it can be done and the basic procedure,not going into any specific detail. Any info or links would be much appreciated by me. Im pretty sure it would be cool to post some of it at least. Its not on rhodiums page yet is it? I realy think,seeing as the C.M board seems to have dried up when it comes to novel or new ideas and how the OTC sources of feedstock are becoming more of a bitch every day,that this subject should be the focus of all the meth bees. Im sure within a couple of months we could get it cracked and form a relatively OCT method for biosynthimg e. Then all we would have to worry about is when big brother makes yeast available by presription and starts regulating sugar purchases. Whadda ya say bees?This would be one huge battle won in this war of ours. BIOBALLZ Then we just gotta get flinger to let us in on how to grow his meth plants and were laughing. |
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| java (Stranger) 03-23-02 12:28 No 286649 |
refrences to the Biotransformation for L- Ephedrin | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
I wasn't able to post the whole refrence to the P.L.Rogers- H.S. Shin, B. Wang......BIOTRANSFORMATION FOR L- EPHEDRINE so I sent it to the forum moderator see where he puts it, I also sent it to Rhodium maybe they will post it in its entirety..................Question , is it possible to use fructose sugar as the source ? or just raw sugar cane sugar? Here is recent finding , I thought it was interesting: 1: Biotechnol Bioeng 2001 Aug 20;74(4):317-25 Continuous production of (R)-phenylacetylcarbinol in an enzyme-membrane reactor using a potent mutant of pyruvate decarboxylase from Zymomonas mobilis. Goetz G, Iwan P, Hauer B, Breuer M, Pohl M. Institut fur Enzymtechnologie der Universitat Dusseldorf im Forschungszentrum Julich, D-52426 Julich, Germany. The optimization of a continuous enzymatic reaction yielding (R)-phenylacetylcarbinol (PAC), an intermediate of the L-ephedrine synthesis, is presented. We compare the suitability of three pyruvate decarboxylases (PDC), PDC from Saccharomyces cerevisiae, PDC from Zymomonas mobilis, and a potent mutant of the latter, PDCW392M, with respect to their application in the biotransformation using acetaldehyde and benzaldehyde as substrates. Among these, the mutant enzyme was the most active and most stable one. The reaction conditions of the carboligation reaction were investigated by determining initial rate velocities with varying substrate concentrations of both aldehydes. From the resulting data a kinetic model was inferred which fits the experimental data with sufficient reliability to deduce the optimal concentrations of both substrates for the enzymatic process. The results demonstrate that the carboligation is most efficiently performed using a continuous reaction system and feeding both aldehydes in equimolar concentration. Initial studies using a continuously operated enzyme-membrane reactor gave (R)-PAC with a space-time yield of 81 g L(-1). d(-1) using a substrate concentration of 50 mM of both aldehydes. The yield was easily increased by cascadation of enzyme-membrane reactors. The new strategy allows the synthesis of (R)-PAC from cheap substrates in an aqueous reaction system. It thereby overcomes the limitation of by-product formation that severely limits the current fermentative process. PMID: 11410856 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] most recent article found and lots of research stuff on biotransformation at: http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/ ......good reading |
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| Rhodium (Chief Bee) 03-23-02 13:02 No 286662 |
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Sent it to me? Resend it please - rhodium@ziplip.com |
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| Organikum (Hive Bee) 03-23-02 15:32 No 286705 |
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what thy heck frucose? I cannot say it will not work, but never heard about. what thy yeast needs: vitamines, minerals its a lifeform. happa, happa for yeast: starting fermentation broth: molasses + yeast extract(does RECYCLING say anything to ya?) + glucose aka dextrose aka fucking plain sugar. + ceremony of sacrifice at choice. it´s all in thy patents hungry yeast is bad yeast ORGY "I hope I'm becoming more eccentric. More room, you know. More room in the brain." |
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| Rhodium (Chief Bee) 03-23-02 20:57 No 286795 |
biotransformation.ephedrine.pdf | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
Here is the document I got from Java: http://www.rhodium.ws/archive/biotransfo |
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| MMM (Newbee) 04-27-02 17:02 No 301971 |
Fructose nope. | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
It is unlikely you could use Fructose. It may depend on the strain of yeast being used, but in brewing of drinkable stuff Fructose is added to sweeten the drink as it is unfermentable by the std yeasts used. Tastes twice as sweet as sugar, and one hell of a lot better than the artificial gunk. When sugar is added, the yeast produces an enzyme which breaks sugar (sucrose) into Fructose and Glucose. The Glucose is then fermented to alcohol. HTH, MMM When the day is bad,and life's a curse CHEER UP!!! Tomorrow may be Worse!! ('HAGAR' Comic) |
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| Organikum (Hive Bee) 04-30-02 01:24 No 302974 |
Sugar is not Dextrose | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
MMM you are absolutely right. Glucose = Dextrose but not Sucrose. My thought was, that plain sugar can be supplied to feed the yeast, but as Dextrose is cheap and available this may be taken. If betacyclodextrin is added it is possible to apply more benzaldehyde and better yields are reached. The adding of about 10% ethylalcohol may be substituted for betacyclodextrin. thanks MMM ORGY |
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| Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 07-30-02 06:11 No 338609 |
any breaks? | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
any new updates or breaks on this subject? jetson thought this had died long ago but to his surprise the last reply was just last april. the devil is so lonely |
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| Organikum (Hive Bee) 09-21-02 13:14 No 358648 |
Biotech still in progress... | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
have a look at this quite new abstract and hope this sophisticated techniques will soon serve the clandestine chemist in his daily fight.
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| Organikum (Hive Bee) 09-29-02 14:17 No 361794 |
some more L-PAC data | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
I found some more data for L-PAC: Formula C9H10O2 Composition C, 71.98; H, 6.71; O, 21.31 Mol. Weight 150.1745 Exact Mass 150.06808 and the CAS NR is: 90-63-1 if now somebody with STN or BEILSTEIN access, AFAIK anyone living in GB and most people on universities have this for example, could be so kind and look this up and post the properties of L-PAC? thanks ORGY <begin rant> app. 30 seconds after a synth is posted they will come and show you all the goodies with the wise smile and this "we knew all this for long, boy" expression. Lot of Yogis here. Teacherism. <end rant> |
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| lugh (Moderator) 09-30-02 09:31 No 362049 |
Carbinol Data & References | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
1-hydroxy-1-phenylacetone, aka Acetylphenylcarbinol, boils at 205-7° C at atmospheric pressure, 135-7° C at 24 mm Hg, 140-5° C at 11 mm Hg and 66° C at .2 mm Hg Phenylacetylcarbinol, aka 1-hydroxy-3-phenylacetone has a melting point of 48° C and boils at 144-5° C at 12-13 mm Hg, and more information can be found in Compt Rend 197 1328 & 1649 (1933) |
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| java (Hive Bee) 12-19-02 03:47 No 390532 |
RE: biotransformation the thread continues | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
Organikum Post No 388164 and there after.......that should have been here , and so it is now!. |
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| roger2003 (Stranger) 01-12-03 01:23 No 397227 |
Industrial Biotransformation: ... | Bookmark Reply | ||||||
Industrial Biotransformation: http://www.ct.utwente.nl/ipp/docs/Papers http://imb.usal.es/castellano/personales roger2003 |
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