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	Payin2Much (Hive Bee) 07-14-02 01:22 No 332371		How To Make 1Lb of Dope in a Couple Of Hours, or	Bookmark Reply
			How To Make 1Lb of Dope in a Couple Of Hours, or The Sure Fire Birch for Beginners Preface: Without getting into the subject of extraction in this writeup, it is important to note several things: 1)It is not necessary to extract the pseudo from pills for this method 2)It requires a great deal more anhydrous ammonia & sodium/lithium to perform this reaction if extraction is not done.  For the purpose of demonstrating the non-extraction method for those who choose not to do it, and because I have found extraction to be the most difficult task involved in making meth, this method will be using the complete pill. To make 1 lb. of INCREDIBLE DOPE you will need: 120 Blue & Silver Lithium Batteries or 300g to 400g of Sodium Metal 200 Boxes of Redz (96 count) or better yet white sixtys (48 count) 2 to 3 Gal. of Anhydrous Ammonia 5 Gal. White Mud Bucket/Pickel Bucket 2-3 1 Gallon Tea Pitchers, and a couple of 1/2 gallon pitchers wouldn't hurt Stirring Mechanism Fan, preferably Squirrel Cage 3 Gal. of NP (Camping Fuel because of convenience of procurement or Xylene [Xylol]& NAPHTHA prefferred because of lack of hydroscopy) Place fan behind you if you are doing this outside, and in the window blowing out if this will bee performed inside.  All steps which require ammonia MUST bee perfomed in front of this window, so pick it wisely. Peel Batteries (I use dremel, cut along the blue/silver line lightly, gently cutting all the way through the jacket in one place to make removal of jacket less troublesome.  When done with one battery, drop it into bowl full of NP quickly. When done cutting, take 2 pairs of plyers and twist the ends in opposite directions until the the jacket is completely severed & pull both parts of the jacket off of the battery & put back into the NP.  WHen done with that step, decant ammonia (tank laying horizontal w/ something propped under the opposite end from spout) into Tea Pitcher & while decanting, start unrolling the batteries.  Place the dull metallic foil (Lithium) into the ammonia & repeat until you have placed all 120 into ammonia. Stir frequently with white plastic spoon.  You want all of the lithium to melt into a liquid blue solution for the reaction. Drop your pillstock (ground w/ coffee grinder to fine powder) into Mudbucket. Stir another tea pitcher of ammonia which has been decanted from tank into mudbucket until the consistency is thin soupy.  Decant more ammonia into same vessel to keep ready in the event that your pillstock gets too thick during reaction.  That causes loss of product & a lower quality dope. Pour Blue Solution into soupy pillsock a little at a time until the blue holds for several minutes.  It is imperative that constant vigorous stirring be maintained during this reaction.  It has been my observation that the % of pseudo remaining in your dope will be directly proportional to the quality of stirring mechanism used.  Don't expect to have incredible dope if you are stirring by hand or with a paint stirrer on the end of a drill on a reaction this large.  The very best dope will be made employing a lab mixer.  The magnetic lab stirrers are absolutely worthless for this application.  It must be a mixer on a stand to get the best results. Add 3 gallons of NP to the juice after the blue has held several minutes & continue stirring.  Add about 750 ml of water mixed with 1/2 bottle of lye slowly trying not to have it boil violently out of the bucket.  Leave it till the next night, stirring occasionally.  You will filter your NP from the pillstock & make ready for gassing tomorrow night. TooMuch is Just Enough... What a Long, Strange Trip it's Been   Special Thanks go out to Rhodium for providing this forum & the most exhaustive database of psychotropic drugs in the history of man, and hive members Jim, Country_Fuck, & Mr. Clean.  Locally to DrugCzarUs for sharing the secrets of multiple containers & the importance of melting separately from reacting, & of course BUDD Local 109(Brotherhood Unifying Drug Dealers), without whose help none of this would have been possible.
	wareami (Hive Addict) 07-14-02 13:32 No 332479		Hey Mr.TooMuch!!!	Bookmark Reply
			Glad to see ya bro! Enlightening the masses! Wareami always keeps asking Ibee... "When ya gonna quit being a chickenshit and learn the BlueSmelly???" "Well Ware...when he finishes HENpecking through all the chickenscratch in his mind surrounding the dangers to himselfium and others in the immediate vicinity" Little by little Ibee is becoming more enlightened over the past month and this is an endeavor that has intrigued Ibee ever since jacked posted his first successes with the birch in the NewBee section....months ago!!! Now grant it....other things have been crowding the full plate, as it were, to do a complete focus on the principles/safety factors/aquistions, involved. But it seems over the past few weeks he's been reading tons about the synth...and every post seems to bring understanding that was previously either misinformation or just undiscussed to that point. Or Ibee went from chicken to ostrich and had his head buried someware... and Ibee also realizes that all the answers could bee had or at least clarified by a simple PM(after all he knows the masters on a PM basis), but he likes to gather what he can from the board when learning to validate what is being reported to others that may by more susceptable to getting hurt by the same lack of understanding and applying these write-ups, and the process leaves pathmarkers for others to follow! Good information lately that wasn't clearly available months ago in "LAYMENS Terms". And that isn't to say the info wasn't thare, but some of the older write-ups are way above Ibee's understanding and he simply won't GO there until safe and confident understanding are in place! Ibee thought that when jacked had reported success...it would be a matter of following his lead, but even jacked had raised some questions that arose as a result of his experiences with this synth. The variables and consideration factors in the birch are far more formidable than the HI/RP. And then thare are the areas of aquistion to consider that encompass: a GOOD stirrer, gasmask, possible fume hood(since this won't take place in a barn or garage)...and chems/WITH proper safety handling! P2M: Much thanx for helping clear up some of these areas of concern and Ibee wants to give it a shot. Ibee is working on a large HI experiment and when he finishes, he will start bringing some more concerns to the board and is sure he'll need some boots in the ass while taking the baby steps on this TRI-cycle, from you and the big-D and all the other treeHUGgers! Hopefully this week! Thanx for the inspiring/confidence building contributions in this areas. Ware the Hell is that Caveman anEway? On a side-note...you know how Ibee feels about cleanliness...so we won't even go thare...Ibee understands the principals behind SWIP's concerns and success! The latest inhibitors have targeted the reduction during rxn in both settings, birch and HI,  and even though the denaturants affect a percentage, resulting in lower yields (Guess?^___>probably requiring more Li and NH3), and Ibee is pointing this latest finding out so that most may want to consider this when making the decision to GUPchuck or clean feed! It may may the difference between INCREDIBLE and INCREDNIBBLE! And after thinking about this...Ibee can't help but reflect on some of the problems experienced by SWIP, the main causes^___>(PHARM-ANIMOLE-FUCKERS), and the joy shared by finding a temporary solution! Sometimes the end result requires the extra mile......and it seems "Now more than Ever!" Thanx again for this write-up bro! Peaceof the ^reaction Have FUN-Bee SAFE Everything Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt ô¿ôWareami
	Payin2Much (Hive Bee) 07-15-02 00:14 No 332736		My Pleasure, & the Virtual Gassing is Coming Up!!!	Bookmark Reply
			wareami, unfortunately SWIP has suffered much at the hands of his limited knowledge in this new field of endeavor in the last 1 1/2 years.  While the hive & Rhodium's site were invaluable, often times the advise & helping hands seemed to be shackled in chemistry without giving enough attention to "ghetto" conditions, the chief of which is a quest for knowledge in an environment where the application of such could easily get one killed or imprisoned.  Instead of focusing the newbees attention on that which is vital & helping them to reach their goals safely, the newbee is barraged with UTFSE & technical jargon which sends them reeling.  Now I'm not arguing the merits of the prior, I am merely stating how I've often felt ostracised because of posts made which didn't conform to the chemhead's strict regimen of complicated & difficult to understand (to the layman) chemistry.  Take this thread for instance. It would seem as if there is little interest in a method which doesn't espouse extraction.  I can remember a post from geezmeister which stated that non-extraction reactions should be a sin at the hive.  WHY? Only smokers will ever notice the difference, and by god even they don't complain about SWIP's dope.  Yes, even dirty, its the most sought after around, or so he's told.  He has NEVER gotten the yeilds when extracting that he gets when he lessens the steps to the promise land.  He has expressed to me a genuine remorse for his inability to extract effectively & hasn't given up, but should he quit "cooking" just because he is challenged extractionally?  Should the dislexic quit reading?  HELL NO!!! So I say to all of you that thumb your noses at my posts,  "Kiss my fat white buttocks!" As long as I am allowed to contribute, I will continue to relay the experiences of my buddy SWIP in layman's terms & offer help to anyone to whom I can contribute. Sorry wareami, now that I am off my soapbox let me address some of your concerns: The variables and consideration factors in the birch are far more formidable than the HI/RP. Maybe, but isn't the payoff of 80-90% from the same pseudo worth the quest? And then thare are the areas of aquistion to consider that encompass: a GOOD stirrer, gasmask, possible fume hood(since this won't take place in a barn or garage)...and chems/WITH proper safety handling! Acquisition is a MF, but no more difficult than was your quest for RP or I once you put your mind to it.  Stirrer at auction, gas mask definitely not necessary or wanted, too bulky & combersome if you ever do need it.  It is imperative that your escape route is completely unobstructed in the event of a failure in ventilation.  Yes, it works GREAT in a garage or barn, you just need to cut out a hole the size of your squirrel cage fan's opening, or seal up around the window that you put it in.  Work very near (1-3 ft) it, & all of the smelly will be blown right out the window.  Safety handling you say?  Keep sodium triple wrapped, or open Li batteries no sooner than you use them.  NH3 stays in tank until it's time to use it, & always wear the long black chemical resistant gloves when handling NH3. As far as cleanliness is concerned, I understand.  Since you're a pioneer of modern day gakk removal I am honored by your post.  You can pretty well cut out 30-60% of the NH3 & Li/Na using extracted goodies.  Let me know how I can help! P2M TooMuch is Just Enough... What a Long, Strange Trip it's Been
	wareami (Hive Addict) 07-15-02 01:00 No 332746		AbsolFUCKINGLôôTLEE!	Bookmark Reply
			Let me know how I can help! You know that's a given! Now you also know that Ibee's intent wasn't to muddE this thread at all since you and Ibee have seen our share of that....unfortunately other bees UP and CUMMING will never get that chance to relive our threads demises! Ibee always keeps a deep respect for the contributions from your corner of woods! You shoot from the hip and fuckall who says otherwise! These traits are commendable especially when considering all that's at risk as you deadon nailed it! "killed or imprisoned"!!! Ibee and ware have been with ya on the newbee end from day one in regards to "Holier than thou Bullshit", They relive the days they were one and treat others as they like to be treated! The main concern expressed in ware's reply was for SWIPs corner to keep UP to date on the aquisition end and make adjustments as necessary regarding the new flips the Phuckers are throwing bees way! Always enlightening when we have the chance to kick it and them at the same time! Ibee will be back at ya when a few advisements have been aquired. Thanx Bro! Peaceof the ^reaction Have FUN-Bee SAFE Everything Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt ô¿ôWareami
	LickAlotOfPuss (Stranger) 07-15-02 02:39 No 332773		Payin2Much +karma for ya bro !	Bookmark Reply
			Payin2Much +karma for ya bro ! great to the point post, never tried this rxn but getting real tempted those yeild #'s are fat.     good job                                   CURB.
	dwarfer (Hive Addict) 07-15-02 15:23 No 332978		bite my butt	Bookmark Reply
			Just when you got me convinced the magnetic stirrer WOULD work, you went and switched on me.. <<Probably I just did not read your note correctly.. ========== I'm all for ya, P2M: but my ugly neigbor never got the method to work for him. If he COULD, I'm sure he  WOULD, because it's easier separating go go from grime, than pre go, from grime. And, essentially, he's come across the same techniques as you have, with a separate quantity of 'monia and blue juice to add... course, his action is mor likely to be in a 500 ML beaker, thatn a FUckin' HUGE 5 gallon PAIL, fo god's sake, but that shouldn't make a big dif... anyway, glad you are bak, since some were worried.. ====================== dwarfer
	Payin2Much (Hive Bee) 07-15-02 16:42 No 333015		No Need to Worry, So Far...	Bookmark Reply
			The reason for the 5 gallon mud bucket is simple: during the middle of the reaction, when adding the blue NH3 the volume increases by as much as 3 fold, and its a real disappointment to watch your work bubbling out the top of the reaction vessel, let me tell ya!!!  Something NOBODY lets happen more than once.  Also, after adding 2-3 gallons of NP, the distance from the top of the pail is still not enough to guarantee that the addition of the lye H2O won't bubble out cracking & popping because you didn't add it slowly enough.  The best remedy for this is to pour it along the side of the pail.  This seems to lower the shock to the NH3 a great deal, and reduces the calamity spoken of previously.  As for removing the gakk after the rxn, if somebody can show me how to remove the brown shit that appears at the bottom of a bowl post reaction, I'll send $250 to their favorite charity or to Spitball on their behalf.  .  Since extraction requires at least 5 times more time than the reaction itself, IMHO, the most important thing about nonextraction is the limited exposure vs. extraction. TooMuch is Just Enough... What a Long, Strange Trip it's Been
	dwarfer (Hive Addict) 07-15-02 17:16 No 333028		no lie about lye adding	Bookmark Reply
			The reaction mixture is basic enough as it is to make it's break into the NP.  since you are letting it stand overnight anyway, wait until the next day and add a bit of NaOH to see if it displaces more ammonia and causes bubbles. if it does, go ahead and add more until it does not: should not take a whole bunch.  but adding it shortly after on the first day does nothing but cause quicker elution of what would bubble out as it warms up anyway. It's also hard on the plastic bucket....  (as IF that enters into your calculations, I'm SO sure..) If you think the FB needs extra "oomph" to get it out, pour in some salt: ion exchanger salt works great. =========== PS: regarding overflows.  I had this bitchin technique of vertical mixing with a vase/jar brush in a 1000 ML measuring column... Works good until it decides to foam like a mudder fugger and flow over on the concrete floor....... oops. dwarfer
	Payin2Much (Hive Bee) 07-15-02 20:50 No 333112		Lyeing	Bookmark Reply
			SWIP says that he has washed his post rxn NP & gotten back H2O with a pH of 10.  That is why he adds lye to the H2O before adding to shut down the rxn. Oh, and the cleaner dope he says he gets when he adds H2O at the end ain't a bad reason either. SWIP says that he will add to this exciting thread with his gassing technique if he gets done in time tonight.  If not, then maybe tomorrow. TooMuch is Just Enough... What a Long, Strange Trip it's Been
	mandingo (Hive Bee) 08-01-02 11:10 No 339847		P2M	Bookmark Reply
			Great work! Was wondering if conventional recrystallization works on this method. If someone wanted to take the finished product, , someone who does not have ANY TYPE OR KIND  of real lab equipment but surely some filters and plastic funnel.. . and clean it up a little. If there were a method of cleaning as simple as your rxn, then all the bees down the line could choose to do away with some impurities, , or just get greasy fucked up!! Yes I have spent hundreds of hours here reading, and learning.. P2M has done some hard work here getting this information across as he does. I dont want to booger up this thread with swims process, even if it were the 'proper' technique, , there is a very good chance some of it will be considered 'misinforming' I swear i saw someone making the ammonia they need for gassing, from the 40lb bags you can buy at the feed store.. just cant find it. . im going look some more. Front Burner is the way it should bee done! i need 5 Meonites of ya time! Yes! I am scared to make it! Posterboy for Clean Meth!
	Payin2Much (Hive Bee) 08-03-02 14:44 No 340750		Can't Quite Clean It	Bookmark Reply
			Unfortunately Mandingo, SWIP has not been able to completely remove the garbage with recrystalization.  Sure, it makes it twice as potent & tasteless as one would expect from glass, but there is usually that tell tale brown at the bottom of the bowl which when burned tastes like plastic.  Cleaning with acetone BEFORE recrystalization does improve (reduce) the brown shit, but it would seem that extraction is the only way to completely remove it. My post was designed to aid for (educational purposes of course) that individual who is throwing a collosal party & doesn't want his 500 guests to fall asleep on him or her.  TooMuch is Just Enough... What a Long, Strange Trip it's Been
	Hematite (Individual) 08-04-02 05:23 No 341078		Have you done something along the lines of..	Bookmark Reply
			[No 326422] Heme hasn't any birch experience, but if this method is feed fairly clean crystal, the results are extremely pleasing. I have in mind that this reaction typically has a certain recognisable taint all it's own, but I dont know if I invented that just now or if it is from hearing several reports about it from different people. Now I'm not arguing the merits of the prior, I am merely stating how I've often felt ostracised because of posts made which didn't conform to the chemhead's strict regimen of complicated & difficult to understand (to the layman) chemistry.  Take this thread for instance. It would seem as if there is little interest in a method which doesn't espouse extraction.  I have posted at times in an effort to offer assistance when a question fell in an area of work in which I have plenty of experience from which to draw and hopefully provide someone a shortcut to the desired outcome......and found myself instead being argued with about why the information or method etc, is not correct! Heme doesn't post if he's only a guess to offer someone, but much of what Heme has PROVEN time and time again in his personal set of circumstances to be the best or best suited way of doing things, seems to contradict what is common knowledge, stated in the books, or explained in technical detail by someone able to do so, and most often it is in stark contrast to what would be considered the EXPECTED way. I couldn't give a rats ass for all of the above if in repeated personal efforts, the results are had by alternate means! In short, I too am unconvinced about dumping the whole pill in, but I am way too wise to dismiss the fact that it is not the absolute best thing for this rxn, and the only way I will ever find out for sure and to my satisfaction would be once I have performed this many times for myself...and this is the hurdle to jump for many a bee mind in my opinion and about many aspects of cookology. Regards, Hematite.
	Payin2Much (Hive Bee) 08-04-02 07:54 No 341127		How Right You Are, HEME	Bookmark Reply
			I have posted at times in an effort to offer assistance when a question fell in an area of work in which I have plenty of experience ...   ...and found myself instead being argued with about why the information or method etc, is not correct! It is amazing how quickly we,  just because what we do is working, dismiss another route to the same destination. I too am unconvinced about dumping the whole pill in, but I am way too wise to dismiss the fact that it is not the absolute best thing for this rxn IMHO, if the clandestine "cook" doesn't have to devote untold hours of preparation & unnecessary exposure, this should be mentioned.  I do not suggest that GUPChucking is best for the reaction, it isn't.  What I am suggesting is that it just might be best for the cook, who's busy schedule & desire to stay free might just preclude the good of the reaction.  Interestingly enough, the only negatives to Birch GUPChucking is the need for more Na/Li & NH3, and the little dirty shit that is only detectable at the end of a bowl. TooMuch is Just Enough... What a Long, Strange Trip it's Been

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