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Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-03-01 18:03 No 188840	Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Look familiar??? (JPG may take some time to load) The reaction is actively bubbling in phase-1 . The stock pot on the left contains wet sand and sits on a hot plate when adding heat. Notice, there is no tape on the reaction flask holding the stopper in place. The reason is the reaction is occurring without external heat. The Phosphorus is added slowly , a tea-spoonfull at a time, then mixed in with the reaction chems. The RP is added at a rate that maintains the reaction , but does not let it go over 150 F. I takes about 2 hours. The advantage is that by avoiding high-temperature and limiting the violence of the phase-2 reaction, the yield is improved, and the final product is ready to go after evaporating the HCl-meth and water. In other words additional cleaning, such as recrystalization is not needed because the side reactions and by-products are reduced to a minimum, when the violent reaction and high temps are avoided. It is still a good idea to not let the reaction hang in limbo, but also avoid the big whoosh. Once again you walk that thin line, between too much and not enough energy imparted into the reaction mixture. By using the same quality of precursers each time, you can estimate this accurately. If using different brands of precursers and different reaction sizes, it is more difficult to know in advance what to expect. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



BenWiFFen (Hive Bee) 05-03-01 18:33 No 188848	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Hay, How did you get in my pad?? STING_KING-Bee



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-03-01 18:51 No 188855	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	HeHehe You keep forgetting to lock the door when your sleeping during the day. Hope you don't mind, I cleaned up before I left. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Hematite (Individual) 05-03-01 19:53 No 188864	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	2001. We unravel the human genome. We have cloned plants and animals. We are now going to try cloning humans. We explore space and are partway through a complex and insanely high tech construction project that is a space station. We even have a competition for the X-prize, where civilian teams compete to construct a vehicle that is able to be successfully manned and shot into space and recovered twice in a two week period , though what they could win that'd top that is beyond me! All this and much more.......and we still have to tape the connection of a hose to a plastic container!!!! Some things just never change I guess. Regards, Hematite.



akata (Hive Bee) 05-03-01 21:30 No 188882	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Hot diggity dawg. How much redp is used , say for an oz? And is the recovery amount still the same? I would assume more redp is consumed and turned into PI₃ or whatever?



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-04-01 08:12 No 188982	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	How much Red P is used??? akata asks. You will be happy to know that very little, depending upon the quality of the RP and E. ....etc, etc, blah, blah. I find I am adding 1/2 to 1/3 the amount of RP that I previously used. There are some major variations in the types of RP available, some is 3-4 times stronger than other types of RP. A 30gm of E reaction, takes a heaping teaspoon full added by the 1/4 teaspoon up to 2 tsp or 4-6 grams of RP So in the range of 10%-20% of the weight of E. I have not weighed the left over post reaction amount of RP, because of wetness and iodine and it would probably not be very accurate. However by looking at the amount remaining is seems (subjectively) that very little is being used up. In fact I am thinking I'll never need to purchase any more RP ever again. Ephedrine-freebase ---------------------- Some reactions were done using a E-freebase as an activator. In the ranges as low as 10% E-FB, it was necessary to chill the E and I2 before adding any RP, because of a serious tendency to go ballistic. The reason being that the E-FB will split the I2 apart E(FB)+ + I2 <--> E-I(salt) + I- This provides a source of ionic I- that aggressively reacts with the P4 at room temperatures. Temperature ----------- The sand and water heating device provides a mild heating effect that does not create rapid temperature variations , common with a more direct contact to the heat source. Massive amounts of mixing is also critical. Reaction End point ------------------- At the end all the signs of a complete reaction are visible, crystal formation on neck of the flask, odor , consitency, and color changes are all apparent but there was no definite, big blow that is commonly seen as the phase 2 reaction. There is a rise in the volume of the reactants and that is about it. The best part is the final product is clean and no additional preparation (beyond evaporating water), is required much of the time. By-Products ----------- A Slowly reacting , homogenous mixture, definitely reduces the trashy by-products from ever forming , the advantages in yield are also apparent even with the DEA's damn pseudo-ephedrine (a racemic blend of the four relative diastemers). Quantity - Yield -------------- One thing I noticed about yeilds is that often about 1/3 of the speed will be stuck in the lye solution and very slowly rises into the fuel layer (like the next day it surfaces). This is due to the highly concentrated reaction and NaOH solutions. The iodide, being an electronegative glory hole, must be pulling on the meth freebase keeping it in the polar layer longer. This can be partially overcome by diluting the polar layer, then salting it out. In addition, adding a large amount of fuel to pull the speed out faster works well. Still the next day a sizable amount of go and fuel will rise to the surface of the lye solution. Quality -------- Quality is affected to a high degree by the volume of water used to wash the Meth freebase. Use large volumes of water on each of the three water washes of the non-polar/meth solution, and the quality of the meth goes way up, rapidly. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-04-01 08:22 No 188984	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	You see the hoses all have their ends flared out with a hot knife to make a good seal ,all except the intake hose to the p/p tank. I have some excuses as to why: 1) Being lazy I figured it was too much trouble to flare it , but it would have been easy 2)My second lame excuse for the tape is this You never had one of those hoses cut loose, it scares the shit out of you. But Heme won't buy that either. So do it your way take a picture with your fancy ass camera. and put it where I told you to not put your head up into anymore. Cause your puter won't read it. after ypour head has been up there Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



speedfreak90 (Hive Bee) 05-04-01 09:16 No 188997	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	dude you truly are a tweaker god this info may beecome invaluable thanks for much dedication to helping bees out and thanks for helping swim become a (blank) himself it has really helped him out . ignorance is soooooooo bliss



b159510 (Hive Bee) 05-04-01 14:51 No 189092	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	If I may ask, how was this conclusion reached? The reason being that the E-FB will split the I2 apart E(FB)+ + I2 <--> E-I(salt) + I- This provides a source of ionic I- that aggressively reacts with the P4 at room temperatures. What atom of ephedrine froms a bond with the iodide anion before the ephedrine is reduced? And lastly, why would that make it a salt? Thanks.



BieneMaja (Hive Bee) 05-04-01 15:43 No 189103	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: What atom of ephedrine froms a bond with the iodide anion before the ephedrine is reduced? And lastly, why would that make it a salt? Thanks. maybe i'm totally wrong, but maybe something like S_N reaction. i read something about a few weeks ago, i'll look it up. the methylaminogroup 'could' also turn tho N⁺H₂CH₃ (i don't think so). ea vita est via in caelum (seneca) [this life is the way to heaven]



b159510 (Hive Bee) 05-04-01 15:50 No 189106	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Hold on. the methylaminogroup 'could' also turn tho N+H2CH3 (i don't think so). You are probably correct about this. But this isn't what my question was regarding. Thanks for the response though.



whatsupium (Hive Addict) 05-04-01 16:03 No 189107	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	It is the valence, check the valence, where is that shell game hiding the bean? Hell, a fuck divided by a B.J. = UNDIVIDED PLEASURE! I love new math...



strokium (Stranger) 05-04-01 18:00 No 189128	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	WORLOCK, swis is thinking of trying this, and see himself the difference,swis has always been a true believer of the building up to the 1 short minuite of the sexy 2nd phaze shaken and humm'n. if this is done without filling your flask full of purple smoke then yeilding has never been a problem. washind your np /meth solution is just simply done by adding water then shake the shit out of it then disgaurd the water layer? this water wont pull out any of the meth



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-04-01 18:39 No 189132	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: If I may ask, how was this conclusion reached? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reason being that the E-FB will split the I2 apart E(FB)+ + I2 <--> E-I(salt) + I- This provides a source of ionic I- that aggressively reacts with the P4 at room temperatures. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What atom of ephedrine froms a bond with the iodide anion before the ephedrine is reduced? And lastly, why would that make it a salt? Thanks. It is the nitrogen group, that is the prime determinemnt of solubility here and the presence of the -OH on the ephedrine is a lesser force. The nitrogen is not involved in the redox reaction but is an acid base (Lowrey Bronstead) type of a salt producing neutralization ionic bond, and will change valence but not oxidation states (typically) When In a neutral to acidic environment the nitrogen will have an additional proton(hydrogen) attached to it , this is the nature of acids to carry thgat slightly + charge. With N, Florine , and oxygen . One of these three atoms is usually present in a water soluble compound . because they form Hydrogen bonding with the water solution. Hydrogen bonding is a exceptionally strong ionic bond, 1/5 the stre nghth of a covalent bond,. This is what makes it water soluble the presence of the added acid the hydrogen on the NH+, Remove the proton by adding a base and the proton is stripped off and the compound becomes non-polar (oil soluble) That is what ephedrine freebase is. It is the missing the Positive charge on the N Ephedrine Hydrochloride, Has the proton and that in turns attracts a negative ion like chloride this is the ephedrine chloride salt. Iodine because of its larger size, and the outer electrons are further from the center, and the negative charge is dispersed more easily tends to dissociate from I2 <---> 2I- more readily than Chlorine So if you mix E freebase with Iodine in the presense of water, the E freebase will snap up the free H+ + I- ions equilibrium will be reached a portion of the E becomes the iodide salt with a resultant production of heat and liberation of a free I- atom Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-04-01 18:54 No 189135	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Poster: strokium Subject: Re: Basic Reaction Setup WORLOCK, swis is thinking of trying this, and see himself the difference,swis has always been a true believer of the building up to the 1 short minuite of the sexy 2nd phaze shaken and humm'n. if this is done without filling your flask full of purple smoke then yeilding has never been a problem. washind your np /meth solution is just simply done by adding water then shake the shit out of it then disgaurd the water layer? this water wont pull out any of the meth The water washes will not pull out any meth as long as it is done three times and the water is pure not contaminated with Chloride or other such anions. Around the fifth wash cycle or when the wash fluids come off under pH 10 then you begin dumping product with the water. At pH 9.0 you will loose the majority of your speed with the wash water, If your speed is tasting shitty you may need to wash with more water , the pH of distilled water is often 6.8 so each water wash will lower the pH a little bit as it removes the sodium and crap if it is fine tasting with no yield you may be flushing it with too much water Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



b159510 (Hive Bee) 05-04-01 19:28 No 189140	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Thanks for the response. I understand how all that works but I was curious as to how the I- would bond directly to the ephed. Throw a hydrogen in there to protonate the nitrogen and the I- forms an ion pair and it all makes sense. Thanks again...hmm..that iodine is such a weak base, it'll give up that hydrogen like a cheap ho...I wonder if the protonated nitrogen is enough to break the I-I bond.. Probably is..right on. ...hmmm..



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 05-05-01 00:06 No 189174	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Well I don't know Ions from byons but your right about the FB/E, SWIM floods out the second phase with just enough H20 to keep it active but stable and refluxes this for an hour until separation. Yields after modified kerplunking are 75%+ No recrystalizing neccesary, SWIM will soon to see 80% Hope so anyway. I found this out by accident when a RXN all the sudden went dry. It was a not FB/E but HCl, it turned out to be very good gear and there was more than usual, go figure. Paid in Full



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-05-01 06:02 No 189220	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: Around the fifth wash cycle or when the wash fluids come off under pH 10 then you begin dumping product with the water. At pH 9.0 you will loose the majority of your speed with the wash water, If your speed is tasting shitty you may need to wash with more water , Worlock, have you ever tried washing with NaOH solution? SWIM now does a single NaOH wash, followed by a single warm/hot water wash, then one cold water wash, or two if a ton of lye was used in the wash. This has improved cleanliness of gear, as well as yields. Presumably, the lye wash allows maximum removal of iodides as NaI in the subsequent water washes. Helps keep Ph right up there too. Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



strokium (Stranger) 05-05-01 13:27 No 189305	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	reply to _____________________________________________________ Worlock, have you ever tried washing with NaOH solution? SWIM now does a single NaOH wash, followed by a single warm/hot water wash, then one cold water wash, or two if a ton of lye was used in the wash. T ___________________________________________________________________ how strong of a solution do you use rto do this



BieneMaja (Hive Bee) 05-05-01 14:36 No 189315	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: Hydrogen bonding is a exceptionally strong ionic bond, 1/5 the stre nghth of a covalent bond maybee i missunderstand but are'nt ionic bonds stronger than covalent bonds? afaik this is the reason for those high mp + bp from salts. or did you mean strong in comparison to intermolecular forces between np molecules? Referring to: Iodine because of its larger size, and the outer electrons are further from the center, and the negative charge is dispersed more easily tends to dissociate from I2 <---> 2I- more readily than Chlorine to split hairs: Cl-Cl- : 242 kJ/mol I-I : 151 kJ/mol Referring to: So if you mix E freebase with Iodine in the presense of water, the E freebase will snap up the free H+ + I- ions equilibrium will be reached a portion of the E becomes the iodide salt with a resultant production of heat and liberation of a free I- atom this reads a little confusing for me, if there were H⁺ and I^- ions in the wather it would mean you have already HI acid. or do you mean that the hungry N⁺H-CH₃ group just use a little H₂O molecule to rip the H off leaving an OH^- as it does the N in NH₃? i just ask so irrelevant questions, cause my non-organic chem. book says that 'iodine is in water only soluable in the presence of I^- ions forming an complex [..]' I₂ + I^- --> I₃^- in the end it is maybe not that important, how the iodine and the eph are getting 'connected'. ea vita est via in caelum (seneca) [this life is the way to heaven]



epistemologicide (Newbee) 05-05-01 15:10 No 189320	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	ardent and cabal, the hives generation of improvised energy and ability to show the system that creativity cannot be entierly held at its mercy for always is the strength and awareness that sheilds the foibles. i as alot of dreamers began here humbely and thanks to the insight that individuals such as s.a.m(super ass man) worlok, placebo and the rest (please you all know who you are) have learnt and been impowered by how effective the positive can truly create.. so i wish to show concern for all the individuals here and worlok................. all brilliant minds-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but one dimensional focusses can limit the potencial of all of you. i speak first to address the health issue . firstly i do not use alot.(but do dreams) i train 5 days a week at the gym(3 years) and eat healthy and am the founding member of a extreme metal based horde, with current projects of compilations mag's sites etc, to spread awareness of greed, subjugation of society and organised religion and promote earth friendly technology, and play an guitarest for black metal band epistemologicide. i do to preserve the neuro cells in my brain, take ginko, brahmi, etc,(from herb plants -pills from chemist ) all the herb plants that increase the blood flow to the brain and prevent alzchimers.plus increase memory having alot of testos in my system enables me to posses strength, and does what alot of the energy that the meth does to all of your brains, and so i feel the need to use hardly ever. i wish you all to take care of your bodies, and brain and bone density, seek some training at the gym and you will soon find out how your body as it was designed can truly feel good naturally which translates to the brain. then you will feel the need to use less, and take the ginko and brahmi, and you will have excess energy as well as memory as it increases your memory, and most importantly preserve you pressious brain cells. he only needs to take his thongs off, and get rid of that mow, which looks like his nose hairs have gone funny



FreddyFarce (Hive Bee) 05-05-01 17:37 No 189349	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: the pH of distilled water is often 6.8 so each water wash will lower the pH a little bit as it removes the sodium and crap The ph should be neutral 7 due to a balance of the H+ and OH- ions. Worlock, I would hypothesize that taking that stopper out during the reaction, that various gasses would escape (HI, PI3, PH3, ect...) and also that oxygen would would then displace so of the gas. From what I have learned, it is favorable to have a closed reaction system instead of an open one. Taking the stopper off during the reaction would most certainly creat open reaction conditions. Also, for those without fume hoods and bodysuits; opening a reaction and therefore emitting those gasses would be hazardous. Many bees main problem is to deal with gasses, because of this they buy addittion funnels, tubing, condensors, vacums, fumehoods, fans, and all sorts of other equiptment to get rid of the fumes - taking the stopper off the reaction is counter-productive to these such measures. JUST BECAUSE I TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE IT, OR PLAN TO DO IT!



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-05-01 20:19 No 189373	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: Thanks for the response. I understand how all that works but I was curious as to how the I- would bond directly to the ephed. Throw a hydrogen in there to protonate the nitrogen and the I- forms an ion pair and it all makes sense. Thanks again...hmm..that iodine is such a weak base, it'll give up that hydrogen like a cheap ho...I wonder if the protonated nitrogen is enough to break the I-I bond.. Probably is..right on. ...hmmm.. The formation of the ephed- freebase/HI is not going to completion only small amounts of free I- are formed, but enough to jazz the RP. The Iodine is so large that the nucleus is far from the outer shell electons and does not bind them. The iodide is large with many electrons, it tends to dispers the charges Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



b159510 (Hive Bee) 05-05-01 20:26 No 189374	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Thanks for the response Worlock. And thanks for providing us with the tons of detailed info from all your work. Very cool.



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-05-01 20:27 No 189375	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	[quote]except s.a.m, as he is too much of an ozzy male fabio god as is.......... he only needs to take his thongs off, and get rid of that mow, which looks like his nose hairs have gone funny...... s..a.m's couldent go to the gym as he is too chuby ..... heheh only joking mate, auzzie auzzie auzzie!!!!!!!!![quote] The thongs are just about to go into Winter hibernation, so now it's time for the Ugh boots, jeans, and flanny tied aroung the waist. Packet of Winny Reds under T-Shirt sleeve. But, there's no way I'm shaving the "Chopper Read", I like to scare the regular people. Bogans of the world unite! "Aussie,Aussie,Aussie.............. Roids,Roids,Roids!"................... "Let's go down tha Pub Wazza, Uncanny X-Men 'n The Radiators are playing, fuckin'value!"._{Low burble of 5 litres of Aussie grunt backing out the driveway, clunk into 1st, then the HZ Monaro(with Yella Terra roller rockers, and Lukey headers), does the obligatory burnout to "put the wind up the neighbours")}_____________________________<--10 yards of Kelly Springfield. Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-05-01 20:42 No 189377	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Jaked your a Jenius with a practical understanding of the properties of this stuff. How come everytime you write a couple of lines , I end up spending a month learning why your new variation works. 75% yield is good news , because I was starting to blame the DEA for adding a nasal decongestant to the psuedo-fed, and messing with the yields Flooding the mixture with water after the first phase, is unique and wild, Your striking a blow against those who desire to say the dry method is a sux method, By mixing the two methods together, you are using a different method for each of the two steps of the SN2 reaction, and it would seem that a two step reaction would fit right in. Damn now I gotta try it You use E freebase don't yoou? Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



b159510 (Hive Bee) 05-05-01 20:59 No 189380	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Sorry to pester you again Worlock, but could you explain what you mean here: By mixing the two methods together, you are using a different method for each of the two steps of the SN2 reaction, and it would seem that a two step reaction would fit right in. From this it seems your saying the OH is replaced by I in one step, why do you think this is so? Also, the reduction of the iodoephedrine, what atoms/ions do you think are involved in this step? Thank you.



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-05-01 21:30 No 189385	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Worlock, have you ever tried washing with NaOH solution? SWIM now does a single NaOH wash, followed by a single warm/hot water wash, then one cold water wash, or two if a ton of lye was used in the wash. This has improved cleanliness of gear, as well as yields. Presumably, the lye wash allows maximum removal of iodides as NaI in the subsequent water washes. Helps keep Ph right up there too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah I have in the past, thinking I needed it to maintain the meth in the freebase stage, Using it as a wash is a smart move, something I have overlooked, The hot water washing is ANOTHER great idea, Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



FreddyFarce (Hive Bee) 05-05-01 21:52 No 189387	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	My above post seems to have been ignored. JUST BECAUSE I TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE IT, OR PLAN TO DO IT!



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-05-01 22:05 No 189388	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	epistemologicide, Make no mistake , I agree with you completely that one must maintain a balance , of the mental, physical, and spiritual. To develop one of these to excess throws the whole system out of balance. To assume that we pursue the mental gymnastics and aviod physical challenges is not true by many means. Many have good genes and are well endowed physically and still sharp as a whip (if a whip is truly sharp). Always willing to learn new things, but no need to worry about me, I have a degree among many others in "Clinical nutrition", and practiced succerssfully for over 12 years in the medical health field. At home I have a complete gym, universal machine, over a ton of free weights, core equipment for developing uncanny balance,equilibrium, speed, and agility, and ride a mountain bike. I specialize in the sunday punch, getting off the first punch when I smell trouble, and never wait for them to unload on me. Seems if you hurt them first , they loose the desire to be ignorant and beligerent. I eat red hot nails for breakfast, an no milk Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-05-01 22:27 No 189391	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: My above post seems to have been ignored. You're complaining about this? Let sleeping dogs lie Fred. Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-05-01 22:36 No 189393	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Covalent bonds- are the bonds that hold atoms together to form molecules C-C, or C-H, or C=O, ionic bonds- are much weaker and are attractive electrical forces (polar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are H+ and OH- ions present in water the dissociation constant is 1 x 10^-14 for water [H+][OH-] ----------- = 1 x 10^-14 [H2O] Assume [H2O] = 1 The concentration of H+ in pure water is 1 x 10^-7 moles/liter Take the negative log of the hydrogen ion concentration and the pH=7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I2 is only slightly soluble in water and it is the ionic form that is soluble species. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It is not that important until you toss some RP in with iodine and ephedrine-freebase, at room temperature, and your flask vomits it up in a fraction of a second ruining the reaction, and injuring someone. Perhaps then it will feel more significant. Then you will say ," Wull,that did not happen when I used the chloride salt of ephedrine instead of the freebase". Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html*



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-05-01 23:33 No 189397	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Poster: b159510 Subject: Re: Basic Reaction Setup Sorry to pester you again Worlock, but could you explain what you mean here: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By mixing the two methods together, you are using a different method for each of the two steps of the SN2 reaction, and it would seem that a two step reaction would fit right in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From this it seems your saying the OH is replaced by I in one step, why do you think this is so? Also, the reduction of the iodoephedrine, what atoms/ions do you think are involved in this step? Thank you. OK the reaction using iodine, phos , and Ephedrine to make meth is basically the same as an alcohol reacting with a Hydrogen halide, The -OH on the ephedrine is the alcohol portion of the E molecule that reacts, 1)The alcohol accepts a proton from H+ I- to form a protonated alcohol ROH + HI <---> ROH2+ + I- reversable 2)This dissociates into water and a carbonium Ion ROH2+ <--> R+ + H20 reversable 3) the carbonium ion reacts with an iodide to form the alkyl halide R+ + I- -----> R-I This is a nucleophiliic substitution of the type SN1 THis is a slow step because the carbonium ion does not form easily/ The tendency is to spit the H+ off and leave the ROH intact Hence Phase1 , The release of the I- and replacement with H+ is similar. it is not reversable. This has all been written up before in the hive and I suggest looking it up in organic chem if you require further details on the SN2 reaction. Holy Gringnard Batman is somewhat similar ,uses a metal halide and RP is metal in some ways. If your looking for a flaw in my logic,forget it, it is not there. The mechasnisms are standard procedures in all organic books and well documented The reduction that everyone talks about occuring, is in there, Can you guesss where ??? MMMuuuaahahahahahahahahahahahaaha better read your organic text, cause I did not reveal it I fail to see where the closed system is required , or that atmospheric Oxygen will affect this Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-06-01 00:34 No 189402	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	the pH of distilled water is often 6.8 so each water wash will lower the pH a little bit as it removes the sodium and crap -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ph should be neutral 7 due to a balance of the H+ and OH- ions. Unfortunately no one told the distilled water it was to be at pH 7.0 and not at pH 6.8 Being stubborn it is still at a pH 6.8, The reason is that dealing with concentration is not good enough , one needs to consider activity of a compound, for example H+ travels faster than OH- because of size ans still carries the same charge ezxcept more concentrated the result is mor H+ can be jammed ino the measureing device than OH- /volume And So the pH of distilled water measures pH6.8 Worlock, I would hypothesize that taking that stopper out during the reaction, that various gasses would escape (HI, PI3, PH3, ect...) and also that oxygen would would then displace so of the gas. From what I have learned, it is favorable to have a closed reaction system instead of an open one. Taking the stopper off during the reaction would most certainly creat open reaction conditions. Also, for those without fume hoods and bodysuits; opening a reaction and therefore emitting those gasses would be hazardous. Many bees main problem is to deal with gasses, because of this they buy addittion funnels, tubing, condensors, vacums, fumehoods, fans, and all sorts of other equiptment to get rid of the fumes - taking the stopper off the reaction is counter-productive to these such measures. The reaction is kept at a low level and is not heated past warm so when the stopper is removed , there is some HI gas escaping but it is minor. Yes I do have a strong fan sucking away the fumes. At one time iI relied on the bathroom fart fan , but when I crawled up into the attic the fart fan did not even vent to the outside but just stopped there, this is a common building practice in bathrooms. So I installed a squirrel cage and a 8 inch diameter air tube to carry the fumes out to the roof, No longer is the place getting stained heavily and the walls are slowly loosing the yellow discoloration, In addition, available within reach are gas masks that allow me stay in the room no matter what has happened to the reaction mix these are your standard military gas masks, that cover the face and use a chemical filter media. The closed system is a farce since the Push pull is not a closed system , And the reflux also a successfull procedure is not closed either. And what gas do you want and which are to be excluded The reaction will pull in as much atmosphereic gas as it can. For a closed system you would have to purge the system of unwanted gases and charge it with your preferred gas , and be certain that the P/P was only allowed to inhale the specified gas. I have not seen this as the case any where. On the pull phase, tank(2) two sucks down atmospheric gases , it goes into tank(1) one down the hose and is absorbed into the reaction mixture, so what is the difference. This mechanism of pulling is an odd one , because that shit will pull hard and collapse the tops of jars to get some air. But I would like to know what is evacuating the gas out the reaction vessel so rapidly, and what gas is being absorbed. Some pulls are far stronger than the pushes. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-06-01 00:34 No 189403	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	the pH of distilled water is often 6.8 so each water wash will lower the pH a little bit as it removes the sodium and crap -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ph should be neutral 7 due to a balance of the H+ and OH- ions. Unfortunately no one told the distilled water it was to be at pH 7.0 and not at pH 6.8 Being stubborn it is still at a pH 6.8, The reason is that dealing with concentration is not good enough , one needs to consider activity of a compound, for example H+ travels faster than OH- because of size ans still carries the same charge ezxcept more concentrated the result is mor H+ can be jammed ino the measureing device than OH- /volume And So the pH of distilled water measures pH6.8 [ Worlock, I would hypothesize that taking that stopper out during the reaction, that various gasses would escape (HI, PI3, PH3, ect...) and also that oxygen would would then displace so of the gas. From what I have learned, it is favorable to have a closed reaction system instead of an open one. Taking the stopper off during the reaction would most certainly creat open reaction conditions. Also, for those without fume hoods and bodysuits; opening a reaction and therefore emitting those gasses would be hazardous. Many bees main problem is to deal with gasses, because of this they buy addittion funnels, tubing, condensors, vacums, fumehoods, fans, and all sorts of other equiptment to get rid of the fumes - taking the stopper off the reaction is counter-productive to these such measures. The reaction is kept at a low level and is not heated past warm so when the stopper is removed , there is some HI gas escaping but it is minor. Yes I do have a strong fan sucking away the fumes. At one time iI relied on the bathroom fart fan , but when I crawled up into the attic the fart fan did not even vent to the outside but just stopped there, this is a common building practice in bathrooms. So I installed a squirrel cage and a 8 inch diameter air tube to carry the fumes out to the roof, No longer is the place getting stained heavily and the walls are slowly loosing the yellow discoloration, In addition, available within reach are gas masks that allow me stay in the room no matter what has happened to the reaction mix these are your standard military gas masks, that cover the face and use a chemical filter media. The closed system is a farce since the Push pull is not a closed system , And the reflux also a successfull procedure is not closed either. And what gas do you want and which are to be excluded The reaction will pull in as much atmosphereic gas as it can. For a closed system you would have to purge the system of unwanted gases and charge it with your preferred gas , and be certain that the P/P was only allowed to inhale the specified gas. I have not seen this as the case any where. On the pull phase, tank(2) two sucks down atmospheric gases , it goes into tank(1) one down the hose and is absorbed into the reaction mixture, so what is the difference. This mechanism of pulling is an odd one , because that shit will pull hard and collapse the tops of jars to get some air. But I would like to know what is evacuating the gas out the reaction vessel so rapidly, and what gas is being absorbed. Some pulls are far stronger than the pushes. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



b159510 (Hive Bee) 05-06-01 01:55 No 189411	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Yes, the formation of iodoephedrine you describe is the typical S_N1 pathway found in polar protic solvents. This needed no explanation, just clarification as I thought you were saying it was following the bimolecular pathway. I have found no explanation at the Hive or Rhodium's for the reduction of iodoephedrine. Your comment indicates you believe the RP acts on the molecule in a fashion synonymous to the gringard? In that case, meth maybe considered as a side reaction I believe. I will look into that, thanks for the tip. Books? No problem. Have to buy new ones every semester. Always keep the old ones. Nice chunk of change there for sure. BTW, I have posed the question to a PhD o-chemistry professor, who could not identify the mechanism immediately, and will be getting back to me. Thanks for the quick response worlock.



Lizard (Hive Mascot) 05-06-01 09:47 No 189478	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	How the hell do ya train so's you can eat those red hot nails!!



goiterjoe (Hive Bee) 05-06-01 09:59 No 189479	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	worlock, how can a pull be stronger than the push? I was under the impression that the pull was caused by the gas displaced by the push being sucked back into the reaction due to uneven pressure levels between the flask and the tanks. this led me to believe that the pull can at most be the same size as the push, but in most cases it would be less. however, I would imagine the pull to be quicker and a lot more violent than the pull. I'm not questioning what you said at all, because I have never attempted a p/p and haven't really studied it. what little bit I thought I knew about it seems to be flawed though, due to what you mentioned. I would like to know why this is for future reference. If pacman influenced us, we'd glide around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music.



epistemologicide (Newbee) 05-06-01 11:35 No 189485	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	you can all train and still buy pills!! and eat nails i think thanx to every one that sent me pm's from that message, and all the old timers hehehe, worlok you know your stuff mate, and you know how to take care of ya self, i feel better now that i know that for sure, so all the newbees , dont just learn from worloks methods, learn from his all his strengths. ps-s.a.m, is there any thing i can put in the dreams so i dont end up sounding like a bevan?? hatred of ontological wastes, and the marathon!!!!



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-06-01 23:46 No 189581	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: ps-s.a.m, is there any thing i can put in the dreams so i dont end up sounding like a bevan?? Anything golf related. A bogan is like a fish outa water on a golf course, UNLESS of course, they are doing some "urban circle-work" on the greens! Otherwise, the only time a bogan sets foot on a golf course, ia to do some "Midnight 'Roo-shootin'". Fresh meat for Shazza 'n the kids. Ahh, a tuckerbox full of red meat in the garage, wth a pregnant half-staffy- half-blue heeler bitch about to welp out het fourth litter on the newspapers on the floor(smart Bevan less mess to hose out this time), a V8 in the driceway, a concrete aboriginal in the front yard, a headjob from the new girl in payroll at the King Gee factory, Dads retirement party from the same factory is on next week, Hoges has mage another movie, and tonight the State of Origin is on the big-screen at the Pub, followed by the reformation gig of The Sunnyboys. In the absence of a big Compo payout, does life get any sweeter for a Bogan??? Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-07-01 01:24 No 189588	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- my non-organic chem. book says that 'iodine is in water only soluable in the presence of I- ions forming an complex [..]' I2 + I- --> I3- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BieneMaja, SWIM don't know much about this stuff, but isn't iodine soluble in alcohols? Pfed is a benzyl alcohol, so mix with H2O, voila, the iodine is able to mix. SWIM has observed this with mixtures of rxn chems, ranging from the Nil moisture setups, which sees the iodine sit there photo-disassociating as it waits for the rxn itself to make water! Through to the very wet ones, they mix well. Referring to: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E freebase with Iodine in the presense of water, the E freebase will snap up the free H+ + I- ions equilibrium will be reached a portion of the E becomes the iodide salt with a resultant production of heat and liberation of a free I- atom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Following may help. Read following from some Uni site:(I'll PM it if the formatting is crapped up)........ Oxidation - (gain oxygens) lose electrons, increase oxidation number Reduction - (gain hydrogen, hydrogenation), gain electrons, reduce oxidation number Assign Oxidation numbers The element which is most electronegative is assigned the negative charge, thus commonly the following assignments are made: H +1 except with metals O -2 except with F, O (Examples are peroxide, -1 in O2-2; superoxide, -1/2 in O2-: +2 in OF2) F, Cl, Br, I -1 except with O or lighter halogen (F -1) S -2 except with F, O, Cl All elements have oxidation number 0 in the elemental state The sum of oxidation numbers must equal charge on species Balance Equations Divide into half reactions - one for oxidation/one for reduction Balance half reactions separately Balance mass of element oxidized/reduced Add electrons to reflect oxidation/reduction Add H+ in acid or OH- in base to balance charge Add H2O to balance mass Multiply half reactions to make number of electrons gain/lost equal Add and delete common terms -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seven Strong Acids: HCl, HBr, HI, HNO3, HClO3, HClO4, H2SO4 Strong soluble bases: Group 1 and (moderately soluble) heavy members of group 2 hydroxides. Solubility Rules (taken from Whitten, Davis and Peck, 5th Edition) Generally Soluble.- Exceptions #Na+, K+, NH4+ compounds,- none #chlorides, Cl- insoluble: AgCl, Hg2Cl2 soluble in hot water: PbCl2 #bromides, Br- insoluble: AgBr, Hg2Br2, PbBr2 moderately: HgBr2 #iodides, I- many metal salts #sulfates, SO42- and sulfites, SO32- insoluble: BaSO4, PbSO4, HgSO4,BaSO3, PbSO3, HgSO3 moderately soluble: CaSO4, SrSO4, Ag2SO4, CaSO3, SrSO3, Ag2SO3 #nitrates, NO3- none #nitrites, NO2- moderately soluble: AgNO2 #chlorates, ClO3- none #perchlorates, ClO4- moderately soluble: KClO4 #permanganates, MnO4- none #acetates, CH3CO2- AgCH3CO2 Generally Insoluble Exceptions sulfides, S2- soluble: NH4+, Na+, K+, Mg2+, Ca2+ oxides, O2-, and hydroxides, OH- soluble: Li2O, LiOH, Na2O, NaOH, K2O, KOH, BaO, Ba(OH)2 moderately soluble: CaO, Ca(OH)2, SrO, Sr(OH)2 carbonates, CO32-, phosphates, PO43-, and arsenates, AsO43- soluble: NH4+, Na+, K+ Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-07-01 06:38 No 189617	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	The Hive's mascot is a Lizard? Them hivers it is always something. hey wot For the red hot nails I have for breakfast? Actually I think I may have overstated my position on the exact nature of the nails, I suppose they are not really "red" hot. Wull..... they are warm, and they are nails,... errr ...or they could a been nails, or part of nail. They are made from iron anyway. Sorta more like it is iron Well an iron suppliment, what are you all staring at, ok well you could heat it up and it would be red hot Alright alright so instead of red hot nails I have some geritol every morning, Wull, not every morning cause iron constipates me , and I have a delicate digestive system. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-07-01 08:33 No 189632	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	The final step in the Hi RP reaction is dehalo-hydrogenation it has the mark of a substition reaction neucleophilic SN2 reactions are capable of rearrangement and reconfiguration. The PI3 or I- will peel off the Iodide , a backside attack upon the alpha carbon by a proton forming a carbonium ion again , the oxidation states are where this will balance out and phosphorous is such a squirrel to try and pin down , that I won't attempt it until I read several chapters and not today. The size of the one iodide atom is faily accurate and a chlorine atom is only 1/3 the size, the main advantage I see to free base Ephedrine is removing the Chlorine. The chlorine because of its smaller size can get in closer to the molecules side chain and break bonds, the bulky iodide can't even get near to many of the sensitive bonds Te absence of Chlorine would save damage to the molecule. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-07-01 09:26 No 189639	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Poster: epistemologicide Subject: Re: Basic Reaction Setup you can all train and still buy pills!! and eat nails i think thanx to every one that sent me pm's from that message, and all the old timers hehehe, worlok you know your stuff mate, and you know how to take care of ya self, i feel better now that i know that for sure, so all the newbees , dont just learn from worloks methods, learn from his all his strengths. ps-s.a.m, is there any thing i can put in the dreams so i dont end up sounding like a bevan?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hatred of ontological wastes, and the marathon!!!! epistemologicide, thAnks for your concern and pointing out some of the things we should always be careful to include in our life styles, It is too easy to not exercise and eat right when your natural circadian rythym is no longer based on a 24 hour cycle but is extended closer to 48 hours. The worst is when your day cycle is 36 hours, Then the mornings and nights of every other day are similar and when you look out at dusk , it is easy to be fooled into thinking it is dawn. My favorite exercise devices are the core mode exercises. The core refers to the small intrinsic muscles of the spine , skull, legs and arms that let you control balance and equilibrium when you are balanced here your overall strenghth is increased A small trampolene is one such device , bouncing twisting and done with eyes closed is great , pick up some dumbells and try it , Another great piece is a square board with a ball under it , for working on balance Skate boards, Jumping around with a medicine ball snow skiis with wheels on them. The free weights and universal gym I picked up a garage sale for $500 and a few gms, The weights include the big olympic style weights and bars , pulleys and cables everywhere It also cost me a dining table since my dining room is now a weight room. I still marvel at what some people will trade for a small amount of gogo, they seem to have no sense of value of physical items when they Jones-en. I often hear myself say "no keep your motorcyle or car. A gm is a most I'll give you, I got three already ., what am I going to do with another "" . "Okay here is a half a grm sign over the the title to the Lincoln town car and the 914 porche and we are even. My absolute favorite form of exercise and it includes a low calorie box lunch is a blonde bomber, Can work her out all night, pace yourself, and make sure she gets plenty of nucleoprotein injections and on a regular basis. It is easier to be a vampire in a town full of vampires, where groceries , gas stations , hardware stores , even wall mart are open 24 x 7. They never close. At 3am you can't imagine the large number of very intense people searching, tweaking, at wall mart . Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



epistemologicide (Newbee) 05-07-01 23:07 No 189797	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	worlok, i thought i had a sense about the vampires, but now i truly say i know what you mean as thanx to and hem,lol i have been fryed for 4 days, thanx alot fella's, becasue of the the recystalization method i didnt know what or how big the content was, fuck man it ant funny god dam it, i have been sitten here for dayz, shit i even had sex with an ugly chick, and fuck on top of that she is fat, i anit gonna do that shit again lol, i hope the fat chick dosent wake up. one thing though, the crystals seemed to melt??, it was methonol not isoppl that was used via, disolving and boiling untill skin, then fresh methonol and 20 ml tone etc, then freeze and they grew, and filtered with cold methonol which we thought might dislove the chili any wayz. then actone right?? they seemed to melt, hang on that was after we grew them again sorry, when we first grew them this dumb ass new bee, hair dryed them and melted them all, so we re did the above to them, and the second time they grew after we did that they seem to ,melt. puts the fat bitch back to bed just hope i was doing every thing right. yeah bro the compound (multi body parts)exercises rock the most, its cool your doing alot of free weight stuff like the trampshit the fat bitch got up, it okay honey i was just talking to some onestuff with dumbells, any machines cables etc, wont give you the strength and tone that free weights will. and worlok the gogo you make people would sell their soul, thanks hem, those photo's made me do it, it becasue of you two numb skullz that i am still sittien here after 4 days lol. here is some cool strength stuff, it sounds like your doing alot cardo stuff, and that stuff is cool, the blonde etc, try some dead lifts some time, which is you load up the bar bellz and do a dead movement from the ground,lift and come up and lift yur traps up and hold em for 2 sec then go and place on the ground again, ofcasue making sure your back is alined and keept properlly angled and not bent over, its the equiverlent of the squats(meaning the most benifical) for the legs for the back, so you get your legs, lower back, (sorry blondie)shoulders trapz etc, basically you get stronger and can sunday punch into next week, which is what i will do to myself if i ever have those freaken crystals again,lol shit man, its the only time im gonna say this worlok you suck man hehehe, those things have fryed me man, im a messs, i can even go to the toilet, lol ps s.a.m, mate i still got tears in my eyes from your bevan post, man you know how much funner that shit is when your in my state, next time im on the gogo, i ant gonna come near the hive , your all fucken maniacs man. hatred of ontological wastes, and the marathon!!!!



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-07-01 23:30 No 189802	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	goiterjoe I had written a reponse to your push /pull question, but I don't see it posted anywhere, does not do much good unless I post it. If we look back at the methods prior to using a gas scrubber device like the P/P,we find: Initially a 15' to 20' length of hose was run from the reaction flask to the outside. Once your rection exceeds an ounce, the smoke and odor begin to be noticable. Then they ran the hose into some kitty litter , but still around 1 to 1.5oz was a bust unless done at night. The next advancement was to run a hose from the reaction flask up a foot or two then down into a pail of water on the floor. This was much more effective at eliminating smoke and unpleasant gasses. The problem was that as soon as the cook removed the flask from the heat, water would siphon up the hose and into the flask, and flood the reaction vessel. Then length or diameter of the hose was no guarentee that this was not going to happen because it would easily siphon up a 20 foot hose 1.5 inches in diameter. The cook or assistant would have to operate the hose end in the pail and when it sucked back they pull the hose out of the water. A single cook then had both hands tied up, one operating the hose the other swirling the reaction flask. So the p/p was designed from a common gas trap used in chemistry labs and prevented the siphon back effect. From this you can see that forces stronger than a gravity flow of water are affecting the movement of fluid in the tanks. As you mention it is easy to visualise a strong push, just because of fireworkds explosions and the expansion of hot gasses etc. In the last reaction I ran, the outlet hole in the #2 push pull tank had a hose in it that led into the drain. This hose had accidently folded over and was partially plugged . The push was ok and all the water in tank 1 was pushed into tank 2 , when it came time to pull, the hose collapsed the thing could not get air and the gas-can I used as tank 1 collapsed in an instant, the sides did not just bend a little, but all the air in tank 1 was removed and the bottom and the sides collapsed violently, So you see, the chemical reaction was absorbing a huge amount of GAS. It is possible to implode the reaction flask from the great vacumn pressure ,and this does happen ., not often but it does happen. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Lizard (Hive Mascot) 05-08-01 06:27 No 192517	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Damn Worlock, I thought you could eat red-hot nails,...' was just lookin' for a few training tips....!



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-08-01 10:41 No 192565	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Wull yeah , just not for breakfast to much anymore , I gotta watch my weight and that iron can pack some pounds on you. Start with cold 4 penny nails then as time goes on heat them up and switch to the larger 6 penny, galvanised are favored fot ther extra zinc. Use honey but not white sugar Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-08-01 11:24 No 192573	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	epistemologicide, Hey cool I forgot about dead lifts they are right in line with the core balance program. A favorite for the knockem dead with one throw, is to load up a bench press station, when you press the weight push it as hard and as fast as you can then grab on tight, the weights momentum carries it beyond the normal travel and because you are holding on it pulls your back up off the bench an inch or so then settles back down. The sound is ominous because as the weight hits the top it rings out loud followed by a snap as your back crashes down on the bench and a second ring as the weights settle down into your outstretched and locked arms. The speed and power obtained from pushing weight away at maximum velocity is incredible, Much different than the slow methodical push-1 2 hold-1 2 down-1 2 It can not be applied to very many exercises though because often your pullin the weight towards you and you don't want it smacking into you and breaking any legs or anything WIth the bench, anyone around you freaks frickin out when they see the weights lift you off the bench and a loud Ka-kaching sound as you control it, and smash back down on the bench. Then snap off a half a dozen more in rapid succession. ka kaching, ka kaching, ka kaching, As far as the go go, my wicked associate no doubt warned you in advance, but probably played it down and let you think you had nothin to worry about. Best thing to do is put it away and go to bed, you will get a full 45 minutes of sleep. Waking up refreshed and ready to pull the fat girl down to the floor again. It also helps to live in a 24 hour city where you can go do things at 3:00 am, with other vampires, go visit some friends they are all awake. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



xtaldoc (Mega Meth Man) 05-08-01 14:15 No 192599	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Worlock - was just back from the market and stopped to read this thread a bit. I see lots of curiosity about what's fueling the forceful 'pull' near the end of the P/P. Until now, I didn't realize this was a mystery at all. Not to say it should be obvious, either - it's just that I'd assumed (yes, the word that makes an 'ass' of U &Me...) that the cause was due to the amount of HI being released into a nearly solventless system. That HI would be roughly equal to all the Iodine used, minus the 1 mol. eq. that would still be ionically bound in the formation of the HI salt. Maybe this gas occurred to people here already but it was rejected because the forcefulness of the pull seemed too much to be attributed to the mere attraction of dry HI to water? I, also, considered this. However, HI is more sol than HCL in water and I've had some experiences as a youngster, generating HCl gas into water. The suction can be astounding, especially if the system was semi-closed and the head space had first expanded due to heat but with only minor acidic gas output. This leaves you with a possibly quite warm, semi-trapped vapor space. If, later on in the process something happens to cause the gas (HCl or HI) to be evolved into an atmosphere purged of nearly all else, that HI will pull itself into the water with every ounce of strength it can muster. Now, watch me end up being dead ass wrong... but that's why I'm posting this. Knowing when you are wrong is generally much more valuable than getting confirmed that you're right, since the former usually entails much benefit derived from the re-thinking of your previously flawed model, and the fresh insights that can bring! Here, your opinion would be greatly appreciated (and valued) by this bee. No matter where you go, there you are.....



epistemologicide (Newbee) 05-08-01 19:42 No 192643	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	hailz worlok, thats maniac beench stuff, dont forget about all styles of power lifting(not just dead lifts) its cool to do snatches(lol) and clean and jerks(lol) for a while then ease off into teh cardo stuff, also dude, if you get time, can you make any thing of that melting of the crystals, and what would cause that i said in that post. thanx man. hatred of ontological wastes, and the marathon!!!!



CrystalKitten (Stranger) 05-09-01 03:00 No 192687	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Wouldn't the strong pull at the end be a result of the condensation when the heat is removed. If I recall from freshman chem, a gas is roughly 16 times less dense than the corresponding liquid. So in a closed (more or less) system, when condensation occurs you should get a vacuum effect. So then would a well designed push-pull trap have a dead air space about 10 times the volume of the reaction flask? Or would that be overkill? mew?



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-09-01 05:00 No 192702	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: Wouldn't the strong pull at the end be a result of the condensation when the heat is removed. No, this vacuum effect is observed at the hottest bit of the rxn, and the rest of the idea does not make much sense either. But even if wee assume the total re-condensation of all gases made by the rxn, then this would give a positve pressure, wouldn't it, as all the molecelar changes are solid to liquid phase. More vol, same vessel, more pressure. I think? But SWIM rckons it is all a matter of dissociation of ions at a certain temp, thus making the gases MUCH more soluble in the P/P water. Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



hookedonhydro (Stranger) 05-09-01 14:15 No 192828	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	hey worlock, my mommy said you might be my daddy.. daddy is that you????? no seriously, your my hero, when i get older i want to be just like you. no seriously.. I want to be JUST LIKE YOU! hook hooked up!!! Ok, heres the dilly, I would never ever ever think of doing something so illegal as what my buddy Mike Ock has dreamt about doing.. he told me he had a dream where he started off with 100 30g sudafe, 500g's of ACS grade iodine.. then he rolled around in it till his skin fell off.. oh wait.. that was a dream I had.. no, i think in his he had the 500 g's and he sat there till his hands developed carpaltunnel from scraping matchbooks .. He wasnt to clear on weather or not to clean the redish brown powder that he got due to the fact that it had VERY little white in it which would of came from the paper on the striker.. any hoo.. he also dreamt that total e out of the 100 30g's would make 3g's of E.. he put in water.. extracted.. dried,, then in methonol.. but the idiot got really drunk and siphoned the liquid off (leaving the gunk on the bottom) and dried without filtering through filter paper.. He is curious to a few things.. 1. Was that a mistake,, must the e/methonol be filterd? 2. Total yeild expected is 1 g.. seing that he started with 3g's minus 1.5 lost in react and .5 for being sloppy.. he is new at dreaming this style of shit up.. yet i must give him props for other dreams he has has with other generas ( he prolly should go back to chool to learn how to spell ) 3. being that so little is in the mix, would a 1000ml flask be overkill in the final rx, and will a push even occour bein that so little is bein dreamt? 4. If you ARE my daddy, then i want 50% of the child support owed.. ill tell mom not to persue the other 50% thnx to your friend in advance for having simmilar dream as my friend.. and any help you may be.. and NO i am not a cop or any other asshole associated with law inforcement.. Hooked.. Poo Bear Needs His Honey, ARE YOU A PSYCHATRIST???



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-09-01 17:40 No 192863	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	hey worlock, my mommy said you might be my daddy.. daddy is that you????? It is entirely possible/. no seriously, your my hero, when i get older i want to be just like you. no seriously.. I want to be JUST LIKE YOU! hook hooked up!!! Why wait, till when you are older? the time is now, I am just a kid myself. well I was a few years ago anyway. 100 30g sudafe, 500g's of ACS grade iodine 1. Was that a mistake? yes, but if he let it settle and was carful about siphoning it is not a fatal error. must the e/methonol be filterd? it is preferrable however, not absolutely essential. A 1000 would be a bit large for three grams, and a p/p would be overkill a hose leading outside would suffice best would be to aquire 10 gm of this dream sudo, use A SMALLER BOTTLE AND DO THE HOSE TO THER OUTSIDE, the yield would be a solid 5 grams and much easier , the reaction feeds on itself and can be spontaneous, so you don't want it spread out too thinly, keep the flask on edge and it will be more likely to fire off The smallest I ever dreamt was 5 gm in a 250 ml flask recovered 3 gm of product. I paid child support, faithfully to your mom, I was not required to but I did it anyway, see what a fine person she raised, So as I see it you owe me. I'll send Santa around to collect. To know me, is to owe me, homey Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-09-01 18:10 No 192878	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	epistemologicide, A little dampness and a little heat will cause it to melt The meth/hydrogen iodine salt has a low MP The meth freebase is a oil, mixed with meth add little heat it could easily melt Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-09-01 18:59 No 192893	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	The pull is a wonderfull thing To solve the mystery you will need to make measurements of some physical property Temperature Volume Pressure, vacume Density Weight Concentration State a hypothesis and test it out, Initially you will be told that your full of BS. If your theory proves true, then others will be jealous and claim that they knew it all along, At one time I measured the pressure of a push it was less than 10 PSI Lost interest Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



hookedonhydro (Stranger) 05-10-01 06:25 No 193006	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	ok, that was helpful, and a friend of mine waited in hopes that you would respond last night, but you never did.. thanx DAD! so, this guy, for now we will call him Tits, Tits.. decided better be safe than sorry and yes i I do think nips (tits brother) was careful about pouring the solution and leaving the gunk behind.. YET....... when Tits re washed with methonol and put solution in fridge,, alot of shit was missed and it was a good call.. Tits is learning. refering to: A 1000 would be a bit large for three grams, and a p/p would be overkill a hose leading outside would suffice Thanx, Tits was thinkin the same.. but how long should it react for then,, and how will Tits know when the reaction has occoured and its time to party? refering to: the reaction feeds on itself and can be spontaneous, so you don't want it spread out too thinly, keep the flask on edge and it will be more likely to fire off excellent idea, Tits doesnt have anything smaller that a 500ml and Tits to would like to dream a big dream.. but Tits has monies tied up in ever direction and wants to find a better more cheaper source for the E.. Tits knows the rule with sources.. but can anyone.. DAD.. anyone.. tell me in a PM where to find the clitoris cheap?!?! I am damn hungry. ALSOOOOOOOOO how secure is this sight? I mean,, i read some posts that a few people have made inquiring on people gettin busted off the Hive.. tell me its not from just postin messages.. if so i would like to add that people places and things should be avoided if you are an alcoholic. Hooked



BieneMaja (Hive Bee) 05-10-01 10:15 No 193073	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	what about using TFSE? Referring to: ALSOOOOOOOOO how secure is this sight? I mean,, i read some posts that a few people have made inquiring on people gettin busted off the Hive.. tell me its not from just postin messages.. if so i would like to add that people places and things should be avoided if you are an alcoholic. security is directly proportional to the user's intelligence. so watch out! ea vita est via in caelum (seneca) [this life is the way to heaven]



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-10-01 18:43 No 193200	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	How secure is your computer? This is a public forum, anyone can read it. The only info the hive has on you is the e-mail address where you received your password. And that is as well hidden as possible. Only one person can access that area. I would hope you used a remote e-mail adress that can not be traced back to you. If not, get one, and sign in again. The only real threat is if you reveal your name and address to the police. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



epistemologicide (Newbee) 05-10-01 22:54 No 193236	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	thanx tweaker god, i guess room temp in austraslia isnt meth friendly. take care dood. no seriously. later. hatred of ontological wastes, and the marathon!!!!



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 05-11-01 02:13 No 193265	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	SWIM's pulls are when all the energy has been expended and there is no more heat generated from the RXN it self, Then the pull. It happends before the flask is removed from the hot plate. As far as SWIM's conserned it's that simple. I've never herd a tweeker ask why only when. hehehe Paid in Full



scram (Hive Bee) 05-12-01 08:03 No 193608	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Im new to this side of chemistry but had a successfully happy dream of aquiring some 40g RP, 250g Iod, and only 4-6g of lab grade eph. contained in its original bottle. Can anything be done with such a small amount of eph. The bottle says to keep away from light in the fridge but the person storing this didn't keep it in the fridge. Its about 1-2 years old. Is it still good. Which method is the easiest you guys could suggest for this small amount?



Worlock (Tweaker God) 05-12-01 18:42 No 193719	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	To get busted because of the hive would taske an incredibly stupid move. Most narcs , are local cops, they catch someone with drugs, squeeze then hoping the will squeel on the next one up the ladder, "Shit slides up hill in the drug world." It is not possible for a cop to pick a name get a supoena, unless the Bee is located in the cops home city, and the cop knows it, So they don't just pick any name, they need a lot more infoto collar you Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-13-01 06:00 No 193819	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its about 1-2 years old. Is it still good. Which method is the easiest you guys could suggest for this small amount? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-6grams, Small??!! Ya got yourself the fixings for a nice lil' hill of crystals fella, it don't take much weight when it's *PURE_..^.Gear.._{.............}* Is the Eph still good? Only one way to find out. Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 05-13-01 07:17 No 193833	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Referring to: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- would be a bit large for three grams, and a p/p would be overkill a hose leading outside would suffice -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pick a vessel with a screw-top,(visit a supermarket),seal it up extra good using rubber washer if needed, place it inside a big glass preserving jar, seal that too, to enable double vessel layers,(just to bee sure). Unsealing procedure Assuming no inner leaks, the outer vessel can just bee unsealed as is, you must choose the inner vessel well,(current state of the art; 300ml Lucozade bottle, no extra seals required). Wrap the seal of inner vessel in good quality, absorbant, sopping wet, paper towells, or tissues in a pinch. Use 3 or 4 layers. Press down to effect seal with outer vessel wall, twist off the top into a "wick". Have the top of the paper wad, the "wick", under a stream of tapwater, so that when you squeeze the lid to unscrew the vessel the paper is replenished with water. Open slowly, letting the gas out gradually, continuing to run the "wick" end of the paper towells under the tapwater. The iodides will bee washed down the sink,(or saved and recovered as I2), and also trapped in the wet paper, along with some other gases, only a tiny amount will escape if done right. The simplest fan extraction setup will handle it with ease. Rinse,squeeze the, now brown coloured, paper towels and discard,(or recycle I2). Note: The iodides may also form purple stains, as I2 is formed, if a chlorine bleached paper towell/tissue paper is used. Referring to: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .. but how long should it react for then,, and how will Tits know when the reaction has occoured -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Observe rxn activity. If doing the quick, hot, P/P type rxn, then as temp rises through 85-90C area, you'll see the big bubbles change, quite noticably, to smaller but even more furious, bubbling activity. After a short time at this stage it will die off rapidly. It's OK to let it sit 'n cook like that for a while, but SWIM has found that, just like the info says at Worlocks site, it ain't necessary cause it's don't make any noticeable diff. SWIMs writeup advises an hour at the 90C mark, but his recent dreams have shown no ill effects from waiting just 10minutes after the activity dies off,(this with Lg RedP though). SWIM still likes to add a small volume of hot water after uncorking, then lets it sit for 15-20 minutes, with some swirlin, whilst other things are prepared. It adds no time to the overall recipe, and, for the usual mbRedP, "hour @ 90C" cook at least, it seems to improve yeilds a bit, and fits in with the method discusssed by Jacked, a few posts back. Anyways, if you can get the rxn started right,(don't flood it, but get it liquid enough), and you follow the pointers above, then you can't fail,(assuming adequate archive study on other less critical aspects). Happy dreaming. Wallet pictures of SWIMs babies.Aaahhh, ain't they lovely. Post No 178231 Post No 175966



scram (Hive Bee) 05-24-01 00:14 No 196426	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	This Eph was (I belive) crap anyhow. Although lab grade, I looked up the sigma book and believe its that l isomer. Well, not realizing a place to hide it yet and leaving it in the car the stuff melted into a clear liquid and was accidentally spilled. The label said (1R,2S)-(-)-Ephedrine . I didn't have time to be scrutinizing labels at the time of tactical diversion and believe the above label is what it was and that label says "less active isomer (l)" in sigma. The shit sure as hell made you awake for several hours and able to concentrate very accutely unlike the jitterness of mini-thins.



ChemoSabe (Hive Bee) 07-11-01 07:47 No 189891	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Hi Worlock, I'm new to this and am just getting my P/P tanks ready for action. While the Hive was down I saw some red plastic gas cans for real cheap at a major Home Improvement franchise and bought em. Now that the Hive is back up I see that the cans i bought are identical to the ones you are using. I also picked up a lego brand flexihose that fit perfectly into the large screw on caps for the filling holes on the cans. My challenge of the moment is getting the flexihose sealed well and bonded to the screw on caps. So far I've used JB weld for the bonding to the screw on caps but there is still some water leakage when I fill the cans. Any recommendation on doing the final waterproofed sealing ? Plus I read the whole thread but maybe somehow skipped this. Do you run an output hose out of your second tank as it is without one in the photo. Thanks, Chemosabe You can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you.



hookedonhydro (Stranger) 07-17-01 11:56 No 191053	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	you can get this Goop stuff at almost every home impovement store.. put a shit load on.... dry.. fill up bath tub.. submerse the setup,, look for bubbling,, if there is any.. its not 100% airtight.. source of bubling is your leak.. blah blah.. Warning: Masterbating 6 times in 2 hours can cause minor iritation to the genitalia



thumper (Stranger) 07-19-01 07:09 No 191559	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	[b]swims first attempt at push pull rp/i2/pefed reaction.swim has aquirred 1.5 ozs of lab grade i2,is currently cleaning mbs for rp and has supply of pfed. swim is wondering if he should try a smaller reaction first in his 500 ml flask before using up all chems in 2000 and what would be the basic ratios for say a quarter oz. yield? the most gratifing experiance is watching your dreams crystilize in the light



ChemoSabe (Hive Bee) 07-19-01 09:58 No 191606	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	Worlock's website has a page dedicated to giving recommended ratios for specific flask sizes. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/rxn1.html#flsk If you haven't yet seen Worlocks website just click on the link a few posts up in this thread. It's about the best comprehensive reference on RP\I2-PP around. Hope this helpz, ChemoSabe You can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you.



hookedonhydro (Newbee) 07-19-01 12:39 No 191645	Re: Basic Reaction Setup	Reply
	i asked Mr rogers and he suggested that you go with what ya got, you have 1.5 oz or I, gather 1.5 oz or MBRP, and 1.2 or so of E.. throw it together.. BLAM! If your reallllllly lucky, you'll have a 1/4.. but count on a 5g. Warning: Masterbating 6 times in 2 hours can cause minor iritation to the genitalia

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