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ayejay
(Hive Bee)
09-21-02 18:03
No 358933
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pfed
hcl
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Hello swarm. I stopped by swik's crib and she said the last 3 attempts at
reduction via rp/i using the hcl were failures. Now swik earned her wings a
couple years ago and told me that soaking in zylene for a day and turps for a
dayand then acetone still resulted in failure. Is anybee using hcl and having
success or is the freebase the only method that works today? Pfed obtained
via numerous trips to the local chain stores. Thanx IJ
Indiana
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
09-21-02 20:56
No 358979
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Formulation
of Choice....
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will determine the final result based on the extraction method and solvents
used. The only radical changes in OTC pfed extraction over the past year seem
to have come about as a result of the Formulators including the extended
release drymatrix inactives and one other stumbling block to be discussed
further down. These drymatrix OTC's can be identified by the 4 inerts that
are prefabricated separately then combined into a preferred tablet-pressing
technique known as "Dry Compaction" or "Dry Compression".
These 4 inert ingredients are:
•Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose
•Microcrystalline Cellulose
•Dibasic Calcium Phosphate
•Magnesium Stearate
There are now other patents available that will need to be investigated
further to determine how the next formulations will affect bees.
The keys to successful consistancy will vary greatly, but most will always
revolve around personal preference based on discovering what works best for
you.
When the "Bee Blockers" first surfaced a few years back, they
mainly consisted of methocell, the decogestant sidekicks(chlorpheniramine
maleate and triprolidine), analgesics, and the big headscratcher Povidone.
Pretty much in that order.
Since then, volumes have been written on their successful removal combining
chems & technique.
Now the one other stumbling block mentioned above revolves around the
cooperation of the Pharm industry and Legal Legislation enforcement.
The inactive listings on many of the OTC products now carry the inclusion of
"May also Contain"!
This explicitly presents a whole new playing field in regards to the
scorecard..."Success vs Failure".
Now while it might have been assumed that wareami was also placed on that
list of Inactives, his ™'stestmonkeys have not.
When all the "BeeBlockers" first burst on the scene, Worlock
suggested that bees need to find a user friendly brand and stick with it
while keeping tabs on lot#'s and dates. That advise is just as valid today as
it was then.
When push comes to shove and all the scores are tallied, pound for pound, in
terms of yield, the povidone formulations seem the easiest to deal with if
they can bee found without the above drymatrix ingredients present in the
mix!
Ibeeware informed bees that tetrachloroethylene successfully defeated
povidone a few months back when it was put under the knife using the Egull method
alone.
Most of the actafool generic brands containing Triprolidine hcl 2.5mg and
Pfed hcl 60mg tested successfully.
For the sake of consistancy...the ™'s stuck with procedure as
originally outlined in the Egull method and have yet to have a failure.
Hopefully within a day or two, the ™'s will deliver a more concise
write-UP to ware!
Hope this helps some...
Peace of
the reaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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zibarium
(Naked)
09-21-02 22:09
No 359013
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beyond
"either/or"?
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labels with "may also contain" lists of gakk might bee worth a
mini-extraction, to see if they also contain what they may also contain, or
not.
if not, fair bet that identical packs in the same zone could also contain
"the short list" of additives.
in swiz's brief experience, the "may also contain" pills did not
also contain that which they may have also contained.
i wonder if any bee has found that such packages marked that way, in fact ,
DO contain the full list of additives that they may also contain?
also, swiz made a comment some time ago, that he thought a 3rd category of
pill labels had occurred...that of the outright lie. because he dreamed of a
disgusting gooey mess with labels which had previously been honest as to
their lack of this stringy goo.
and he wondered if they were 'allowed' to use the trick of not mentioning(at
all ) certain harmless additives on the label? certainly a potent tool for
the w.o.d., if it is true. lure a bee into a large dream, approached in a
fashion that is doomed to fail...based on a printed list of additives.
failures of that sort also tend to bring out the boiling solvents and other
histrionics that tend to bring on the law. A lot more stink is generated when
ya have to do things over and over.
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
09-22-02 08:50
No 359136
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The
"Naked Truth"
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Ya got yer birthdaysuitz on? Good! For some strange reason, according to the
masters and the Godz, this facilitates success ...
Don't ask me...IT WORKS!
Zib: I hear ya bro...
Beez may have noticed some of the naming conventions that have changed or
more precisely, been altered wareas inactives are concerned. These
alterations may be subtle enough to satisfy the "Consumer Right to
Know" policies, but they reek havoc on determining what exactly is
present.
One little undersight can make the difference between using "this
solvent" or "that solvent" or incorporating this step or that
step!
The aim from the WOD's point of view is to make this a guessing game and at
least give them a fifty/fifty chance that beez won't succeed 50% of the time
until a remedy is stumbled upon and in this way they have bought enough time
to throw another monkey in the barrel!
Techniques like VE's universal, Geez's Waterless A/B, Dwarfers PP/SS, and
Ibee's Egull are good failsafes against many of the inactives across the
board. Only once in the last year has Ibee been stumped by Gello and that was
only when he deliberately ommitted a tetra wash to see what would happen in
order to identify with what other bees were reporting and for discovering the
best way to proceed if the unfortunate happened!
Geez graciously provided the solution when Ibee presented him with the problem.
The key for climbing out the "QuickSand Gello Bowl" isn't grabbing
the nearest schtick and beating yourself to death over the dead horse sitting
before ya! The horse ain't dead...HE'S TIRED...RUBBERIZED!!! It needs to set
til completely dry
before the next assalt!
The other problems that have rear-ended bees dreams are PEG and Polysorbate
(tween80).
Ibee has recently read ware some bees are clueing themselves in on the
different properties and solubilty issues concerning the different weights of
the Polymers being used and the various temps that affect their removal!
Legully, the opposition only needs to include the ingredient listing, they
don't need to reveal the individual chemical make-up of the composition.
Jacked and Ibee had a good discussion going at the zonez regarding the
various weights and naming conventions being used on Polysorbate, the Oxides,
and the FD&C dyes!
All these come into play and are commonly overlooked as being stumbling
blocks! The main things to stay updated on are how these chems interact with
each other. This requires research, chemistry books as reference, and staying
glued to the board. If it's a hunt and peck game til finding a user
friendlybrand, then sobeeit!
Those that have their hand in the bottomless cookie jar tend to share with
others!
It's all here!
Peaceof
the reaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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ayejay
(Hive Bee)
09-22-02 10:41
No 359147
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samo
samo
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Thanks for all the great info. Swik swears that the feedstock is the same
generic redhots that she has used for over a year and that the inactives
listed hasn't changed. Everything points to PEG but the 12 hour soaks in
xylene does not work as suggested. Yes tetra and turps were employed also.
The question remains is freebase the only way to fly here in the heartland?
Thanx bees.
Indiana
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
09-23-02 02:11
No 359434
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Relative
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Swims buddy is in the process of chucking his old habits and jumping on the
VE (of recent "universal extraction" fame) bandwagon.
But just as a test he soaked a few old tyvek wrapped "GUP onions"
that still had some leftover residual pfed in them in some dry ISO. The
pillstocks for the GUP onions were a combo of generic pearly 120's and
de-redded red hots.
The suspected new presence or newly higher concentrations of PEG in these
pill formu8lations had begun to get swim's buddy a high ratio of iodometh in
what had become his his "shittier than usual" yeilds.
Swim's buddy took the leftover pfed yeild from the GUP onions and gave it a
good boil in xylene followed by a good boil in acetone.
End product after rxn had no trace of iodometh in it and the yeild was
decent. Leading swims buddy to beleive that if one still wants to pursue
tyvek exteactions followed by xylene and acetone boils that a good, clean end
product may still bee had. At least for this week that is.
PS. When Steely Dan once sang "PEG, she will come back to you" they
weren't kiddin'!
My
innate talent for falling flat on my face had once again saved the day.
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-23-02 10:56
No 359531
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jumping
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Just a note'' swihft so far has used the VE''universal extraction twice 'and
he must say that it works well enough to use''' and the cheap pills you get
for a dollar was used just to try .
However he is still getting shit to carry over even when a mineral spirits
presoak and boil followed by tone wash was used first..
The phed was pretty crystals but so is the shit that seeems to follow it thru
every cleaning so far.....
yeilds by the way are down'' down'' down.......40 grams total pill mass
11 boxes of 24's ''''''''only 2 grams freebase clean enough to use....
Swihft thinks ve's method is the way to go 'he just thinks this fake crystal
shit that follows needs something to kick it's ass and he's not sure what
that would bee..
has to bee others with the same experience '''' let swihft know if the shit
happens to you as well......
"why stop now"
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
09-23-02 11:21
No 359535
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UniEx
Bandwagon Jump
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Hey handsfull2,
The 1st time Swim's buddy tried VE's UniEx technique he got 1 gram of FB
crystals out of a 4x20x120 (4 boxes of 20 120's). This gram of FB was then
salted into roughly 1 gram of psuedoHCl by addling warm DH20 and 30% muriatic
acid to it in a sep funnel, shaking it and vapping the water.
I think it was Geezmeister who warned that doing this without some sort of
other cleanup might carry along some additives. So Swim's buddy went ahead
and reacted the gram as a test and the end product did show some sign of
carry a small bit of iodometh with it in some portions of it's dried crytal
pattern. There is nothing esle in swim's buddy setup that could now cause
this smidge of Iodo to appear except for the presence of some PEG which
swim's buddy assumes was carried over from the psuedo HCl converted from the
FB crystals.
Next text of the UniEx has the ground pill mass having been soaked overfnight
in Xylene followed by a tone boil.
But swim's buddy would really like to learn to do a "controlled FB
rxn" as opposed to his usual "variation on Worlock's PsuedoHCl
rxn" but currently the FB rxn territories are uncharted waters for him.
My
innate talent for falling flat on my face had once again saved the day.
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ayejay
(Hive Bee)
09-23-02 13:22
No 359558
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yeilds
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Swik says 20 boxs 96 count each yeilded 23 grams of the prettiest sudo seen
in awhile. Pills were thrashed! Killer reaction 2.5 hrs with all the good
signs. Had to base it really hard and for all that work ended up with some
kinda syrupy crap that wouldnt dry and barely got ya off. WTF?
Indiana
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-23-02 13:57
No 359572
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yeilds
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yep that's what swihft saw was the crystals in all their Glory ''''he thought
wow these are so pure '''' then he did a test and dayummmmmm not pure at
all...
but could sure fool someone who had little knowlege of what to look for......
Im sure swihft can do better on yeilds but he does'nt see much better at the
moment so any help on this would bee of course greatful......
"why stop now"
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-23-02 14:04
No 359576
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UniEx
Bandwagon Jump
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Swihft did a fb reaction and everything went well except with a little crap
carried over but damn good buzz he tells me..
swihft Never had much luck with those 120's but who knows he's getting closer
and closer to making that kill shit again and he can't wait '''' he tells me
he misses it....
"why stop now"
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
09-23-02 18:39
No 359716
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Ibee has indicated what that kicker might be!
Try a tetra wash....
It leaves mst crap behind and is not a threat to activating the dry matrix!
However...because of the other sides that have come across when using the
120's Ibee has used other brands that contain POV since Tetra kills the POV!
There is far less shit in the NON-timereleased!
Just give it a shot!
Ibee isn't saying not to go the VE way....He's just suggesting that the
kicker needed may be in the tetra!
It takes ten minutes top to do a tetra wash! Then proceed on with the
pillmass as usual!
Keep us posted!
Peaceof
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
09-23-02 19:49
No 359747
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Ignoring
the Friendly Little Pill?
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Well, at the risk of being told to UTFSE I'll axe if a certain brand of heavy
Dty Brake parts Cleaner that rhymes with Westbone that comes in a spray can
will work.
Swim's buddy happens to have a fresh can of it but it remains untested.
My
innate talent for falling flat on my face had once again saved the day.
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ayejay
(Hive Bee)
09-23-02 19:50
No 359748
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yo u
not ignored big guy
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Heavyware, de-redded generics! Tetrawash employed! (by the way, thanx for
that one!) Back to the ole drawing board. I remember swik having problems and
the turps came charging to the rescue. About a year later tetra to the
rescue! You know who you are and many many thanx from the heartland. ij
Indiana
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-23-02 20:05
No 359757
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swihft ain't ignoring ibee and the boyz ''''shit took swihft a full
year just to start understanding ibee don't want to let that time go to
waste.....
on the tetra '''' swihft has used it before but did'nt use the right stuff ''
send him a pm on the ingredents if ibee finds the time......
Now watch ibee ignore ole' swihft''''''
"why stop now"
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
09-23-02 22:04
No 359814
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I tested the VE method before it was posted, tried some its early variations.
I did the proceedure as written, by the book. The post went up August 17. I
had been working with it or close variants of it for better than a month when
it was posted. I used it after it was posted until the end of August. At that
time I began experimenting with a specific variant of the technique which is
too dissimilar to allow any conclusions about the written technique. I have
not followed the technique as written for three weeks or more but when I last
used it the crystals were very clean, the product from them superb and
potent.
There are contaminants in the naptha which were highly water soluble and will
dissolve into any available moisture. Gassing without drying the gas is a
good way to extract PEG from that naptha. SWIG has found PEG in every batch
of pseudo exracted with water and HCl from the naptha used to extract the
pseudo. It is there. Understand and be aware of it.
The variant SWIG has been testing gave great yields at the start. It was fast
and high yield. It seems very effective with white sixties. The 120's are
tougher. In the last three weeks SWIG has noticed that each successive
extraction contained more PEG that the last. Think about that.
Saturday's extraction and reaction yielded product laced with PEG-- and as
bad as he has ever seen it. These freebase crystals were not extracted by the
Straight to Bee method. While he was cleaning the mess up post reaction and
recovering as much of the yield as he could, SWIG kept noting that PEG did
not have the same solubilities it did the last time he had the problem.
The PEG in this mess is in fact the viscuous brown oily fluid it should be.
It is unaffected by freezing. It can ge rinsed from meth with dry acetone--
and that did not work before. It dissolves readily in ISOheet. That's right.
(And SWIG tried four bottles from different vendors and dried one bottle
dried over epsoms salts. Same results every time. SWIG could grow meth
crystals even with the PEG in the mix, unlike before. Over and over, he noted
that the PEG in the batch was not the same PEG.
SWIG has a hunch that the molecular weight of the PEG in the time relase
120's being manufactured today is a different weight PEG that was being put
in the 120's in May and June of this year. The PEG has been "tuned"
to be soluble not only in water but in dry alcohols, and in some non-polar
solvents. The reason the problem seems to be getting worse is that the stocks
of pills with the old PEG are now pretty well depleted and replaced with fresh
stock laden with the newer PEG. SWIG recalls a bee's comment that a xylene
soak did not remove the PEG. This would be consistent with SWIG's hunch about
the solubilities being tampered with. He also noted in the cleanup that the
PEG in this batch behaved differently at higher temps, and could be extracted
from non-polar solvent if the solvent were boiled and some ground carbon
added. Again, this did not work the last time SWIG saw the problem.
The problem may be the PEG getting a tuneup. And our techniques needing to
improve to meet that fact.
Others might keep an eye out for other solubility differences.
If you have freebase crystals and suspect PEG is in the batch, you should
rinse them well with dH20. Unless the PEg is in the freebase crystal, water
should dissolve it.
If you want to lower the chance of PEG further, do a couple of xylene boils
of the GUPs before processing them.
Mostly
harmless
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zibarium
(Naked)
09-23-02 23:59
No 359855
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geez,
are you sherlock holmes?
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i love this cat and mouse aspect of the w.o.d.!
it brings out the smarts in a chemhacker, or any other hacker.
geez, someday they'll make an additive in your honor...after foiling the
activated carbon.
if i was to second guess the guessers, i'd try to get in their corner, and
design something that would fuck up yours, or v.e.'s latest side-stepping.
what would it bee? how clever can they get with these additives, and keep it
all edible?
what would you come up with, to fuck with yourself in this extraction effort,
if you were a highly paid legit chemist, working on new gakk formulations?
apologies for the drift, mate.
and later on:
cleaning red-hots via/high speed machine blasts; followed by high decibel
heavy metal sound waves.
swiz has seen the false and lovely crystals.
he suspects these to bee the source of flask-neck crystals. they look hard,
but are more like jello.
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
09-24-02 05:46
No 359932
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The
Pep Boyz!
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Ibee and the Kidz have noticed that thare favorite brand of Egull juice has
been yanked from the shelf completely in his local....Does that mean that
they no longer make it? Who Nose!!! It unlikely that the industry will
completely stop making that formulation of Cleaner as it is Environment
Friendly! The brand was the made by the same manufacturers of Worlocks highly
publicized Diethyl source years back!
In it's place were two different formulations made by another company.
One Good to GO and the other wasn't.
Tetrachloroethylene and Carbon Dioxide were the only listed ingredients in
the good to GO one!
Ibee suspects that every major Autoparts Supplier will have what is needed.
SWIHFT and Chemo:
Ibee said he will PM you guyz later! He's got some Grinding to do!
Geez: Ibee and the Kidz have yet to employ the latest. Mainly because of
real-estate space and they want to do it buy the book as suggested! But will
soon! They also have never run FB but it looks FUN! So that isn't FAR off
either!
Peaceof
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
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ô¿ôWareami
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ayejay
(Hive Bee)
09-24-02 15:10
No 360079
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yanked
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Heavyware, All that is a purchasing decision to go with a cheaper vender.
Hey, that place has a very slim margin and purchasing a cheaper product might
mean a bigger bonus at bonus time. It's getting very hard to maintain a
steady high around here in the heartland. As a matter of fact, steady is out
the window and occasional is sketchy @ best.
Swik did dissolve some of that gooey mess in some meoh and
filter. Swik let sit for about 1 week (Forgot about that crap), and upon
re=discovery! Green shards 1 " long.
2 tone washes cleared up the shards and Swik was so excited to get off she
ingested a tad too much and had to pop a couple valiums lest she pop a vein
in the ole thinker. ij
Indiana
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-26-02 21:32
No 361107
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got
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about VE'S UNIVERSAL SWIHFT did the ole third time's a charm thing I guess ''
he changed a couple things that got him a nice return and clean at that.
No tetra wash or pre soak this time ''' but next time he thinks he
might give it a try
the only thing different was he left the pill stock sit over night in the
base ' he did'nt add any dh20 or tone 'just let it sit over night.
what a difference in return and wow the product is real pretty long glass
half inch darlins and all about the same size '
he went in with 3 boxes of 48 60's ' got back almost 4 grams and thats like 3
times better then what he got back before..
He has used the universal three times the first two he had very little
success with return so he thinks the over nite base is what did it for
him ...
"I'm not really here "
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
09-26-02 23:21
No 361143
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Overnight
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Thanks handsful (looks like "glandsful" from your icon there) for
your valuable experimenting explorership.
Swim's buddy has a batch ground up & about to begin it's journey thru the
UniEx process again and he'll definitely try the ovenight basing trick.
Have you yet tried an FB rxn? That's nexts on swim's buddy's agenda. Rumors
of a more potent end product have him very curious about it.
I've
fallen into a bottomless pit and I can't get it up.
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-27-02 04:21
No 361179
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Have
you yet tried an FB rxn?
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Yes'' it seems to have a better kick IMHO. '''''''
"I'm not really here "
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Jacked
(Ancient Alchemist Delux)
09-27-02 07:46
No 361218
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Try
this
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Plenty of acetone, I mean high volume, 10:1. Then hot naptha
untill no more clouds, decant the fine silt on off, dont let it settle, Thats
all it takes. The reaction will take care of the rest. (based on 96 count red
dots)
The end
result is directly connected to the effort applied
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-27-02 08:25
No 361227
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Try
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Jacked''' are you saying to try the tone and naptha before basing?
"I'm not really here "
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
09-27-02 10:31
No 361258
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Me
too!
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I'd appreciate some more details too, Jacked. I think you know more about
something a couple of us have been toying with than you're telling us. This
might solve a couple of questions SWIG's been trying to answer.
Mostly
harmless
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
09-27-02 10:49
No 361268
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Special
Request
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Also Jacked, if it's no inconvenience, I think it would be great if you could
post the latest "state of the freebase address".
Swim's been looking over some of your older FB reaction postings and in one
you state that the older ones needed an update to include new things you'd
learned thru experience.
No problem if you can't get right to it but I'm sure there is a decent
audience that would be interested to hear what your current FB reaction
procedure is.
Thanks in advance,
CS
I've
fallen into a bottomless pit and I can't get it up.
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zibarium
(Naked)
09-27-02 11:16
No 361282
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end
product of fb rxn is the same as the HCl
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thought the rumour of otherwize should bee put to rest.
the rxn is different, to bee sure. and very well may allow a better yield
than reacting the salt...if all else is the same. seems to bee more forgiving
of marginal rp.
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
09-27-02 11:27
No 361287
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Zib
noticed it too
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Yep. It will run with a lower ratio of good red than a salt reaction will.
Mostly
harmless
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-27-02 13:17
No 361345
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lower
ratio of good red
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ok now ya got me thinkin''' and that's hard to do ...
what would a good guess bee to the ratios for rp:?
SWIHFT is working on another trial run with tetra as a wash just to see if it
makes a difference..
He still wants to see if the overnite basing played a role in higher yeilds
so he's doing the same thing with this trial run...
"Go ahead jump "
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VideoEditor
(Hive Bee)
09-27-02 17:22
No 361425
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Perception
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The quality or kick of the end product is a direct result of the body
chemistry that occurs after absorption. By-products and other toxins usually
present in d-meth, inter fear or change how the body chemistry works. The
perception that the free base product is stronger is because when properly
produced, the free base product is cleaner, containing less or different
contaminants. Pure d-meth from HCL and from free base are chemically identical.
SWIVE is hard at work on Straight to Bee II. A simplified version with higher
yeilds. Stay tuned...
Real
Men Don't Preview Their Edits
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VideoEditor
(Hive Bee)
09-27-02 18:14
No 361446
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and
quality
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SWIVE's dog makes these from free base.
Real
Men Don't Preview Their Edits
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handsfull2
(Hive Bee)
09-27-02 18:22
No 361449
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'and
quality'
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Hell VE'''' I'd show them puppies off tooooo......
Now quit playing and get us more info on the universal phase two okie
dokie;;;;;; oh I just started a animal shelter for puppies ;;; send as many
as you like.......
"Go ahead jump "
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zibarium
(Naked)
09-27-02 19:50
No 361472
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an
explanation...not a diss
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v.e. i'm sure knows this, and will take no offense...
but as far as lurid, center-fold pics of crystals go:
these can bee had thru extensive re-crystalizations...no matter how you did
the rxn; and even if the yield sucked ass.
zib needed to squelch the implication that the end product would bee
different, once it looked like that pic.
though the journey to it can certainly vary alot, as per yield, and amount of
hassle.
it is possible to obtain a large crystal of meth thru the funkiest of rxns,
with crappy equipment , non-dried solvents, no ph paper, and marginal
precursors. but it will bee an effort...and lousy yield.
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
09-27-02 20:30
No 361488
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Zib--true,
but...
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Zib...that is true...but when you get those large crystals so soon and with
so little effort, when the stuff just absolutely wants to give these to
you...you know you are getting it right from the start and know that you have
the stuff that's as good as it gets. Growing crystals is much easier when you
stuff if high quality and clean to start with.
VE: Very pretty crystals, and very clear. Nice work!
Mostly
harmless
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Jacked
(Ancient Alchemist Delux)
09-28-02 01:15
No 361560
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Do
you think that I would settle for second best?
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Swim says he hasn't seen any product better than his and after recrystilizing
there is some that looks as pretty but just doesn't have the kick.. If it is
an impurity I say we start manufacturing that impurity by it self.. Larger
amounts of acetone disolves more crap and loosens everything nicely, the
naptha starting at room temp pulls a silt looking material and clouds up,
decant this off before it has time to settle, keep washing with the naptha
each time adding heat, it don't haft to boil, do this until it does not cloud
up on you. Go back to a final acetone wash with a liberal amount and vacuum
filter or layout on cookey sheet. Swim says the 70 to 75% of off orange
pseudo laying there can be based for FB reactions or strait into the flask as
an Hcl....The post reaction solvent is the key, It's always the same type
solvent that washed the pseudo. Might mean nothing but Swim thinks it
could be a solvent solective issue that yields 65 to 70% of top notch gear
eaving the crap behind.
Some of you might be underestimating the cleaning powers of a highly
consentrated Hi/Rp reaction as well as the reducing that goes on.. I do
believe in the old saying "shit in shit out" and do not advacate
pill chunking.. So the cleaner the better by all means, pay them dues...I
sure did.
The end
result is directly connected to the effort applied
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