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fr0g
(Stranger)
10-12-02 13:53
No 367653
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Question
about PEG removal prior to RXN.
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SWIF writes this post with a look of grim determination on his face...SWIF
has been reading A LOT of posts from GEEZMEISTER etal. in regards to PEG
removal. In one particular post by Geez... "geezmeister: "on the freebase pseudo and gakks"
(Stimulants)
xylene boils are mentioned. SWIF is not a "chemistry" person..(want
to hear a discourse on American poets?), but it is SWIF's understanding that
peg is soluable in water..How does a xylene boil of the GUP help rid the pill
mass of peg? SWIF has been using VE's "straight to the b"
method... end result not too bad, but since SWIF is such a novice, he'd
prefer to start with the cleanest stuff he can. (SWIF'll write later of
his MANY failures and their suspected causes) SWIF'll go ahead and do the
xylene boils, but would like to hear more about pre-rxn clean-up (for
dummies, please) To the many hive b's, addicts, monitors, etc. who have,thru
their writings, contributed to the improvement of life thru
chemistry...THANKS
- = fr0g = -
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-12-02 20:16
No 367707
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Pre-jacuzzi
bikini removal!
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Sorry! Not intended for edible panties and such!  's work best for that!!!
The Kidz have found that tetraloroethylene work best for PEG removal!
Nothing has been able to compare in all the Kidz experiments!
A simple tetrawash(NOT SOAK) will remove most PEG. If the GUP is left exposed
to the tetra too long, the PEG reattaches to the pillmass!
This simple wash removes Povidone also!
Use only tetra from brakepartscleaner that contain Tetra and c02 only!
1•Finely crush pills and put through finemesh strainer
2•Cover GUP(ground-up-pills) with tetra.
Volumewise...1part GUP to 3parts Tetra!
3•STIR and pour complete mass/liquid into one single filter and retain the
GUP for the extraction. Retain the tetra for use again!!!!
4•Cover the tetrawashed GUP with 3x's volume of alky,(DRY ALKY if messing
with dry-matrix pills), of choice...Denatured works well!
5•Let Settle 20-30mins
6•Using Pipette, eyedropper or Syringe, pull the Alky off the top of the GUP
and put through 4stacked pre-wet filters into evapdish.
7•Evap that batch at room temp(DON'T HEAT...haste makes waste)while going
back and re-adding more alky to GUP's for another pull and another pull til
no more pinwheels!
This will get 85-95% depending on how SLOPPY SWIM is!
(NOTE)In case the GUP reabsorbed any PEG!(RARE if not allowed to steep in the
tetra)
Prior to scraping up the evapped crystals after an alky extraction,(DRY ALKY
if messing with dry-matrix pills), it's best to re-dissolve the crystals in
alky which makes the Pinwheel crystals easier to ID! Then scrape up only the
pinwheels and redissolve the funky crystals one more time for maximum yield!
Peace  of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
10-13-02 19:00
No 368037
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How
long is long enough? Too long?
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Ware, I'd love to de-bikini some blondes sitting by the hot tub, and you tell
me that the technique you use to perfection, yielding Susie Jackoozi naked in
that tub, has to be accomplished with 3x the volume of tetra (I always
thought tequila worked here) but you never tell us what period of time we
have to have the 3x mixed with her to get her to shed that bikini. That's the
missing part of the equation. That the secret you don't impart. You tell us
that if we leave her there too long, she'll slip back into it and then I know
how hard it is to talk her back out of it. Hell, might as well be glued on.
Geez has been known to give up and hit on someone else after a while....
SWIG would love to get Suzi naked (nekkid would be fine, too) with your
take-it-off line, but you leave out that magic time frame. Is it for sale?
Only Nineteen ninety nine and twenty seven dollars and sixty three cents
shipping handling and extortion?
You still buying up stock in the tetra company? Getting investment advice
from Martha? Gettin Martha nekkid in the hot tub?
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platcat
(Hive Bee)
10-14-02 02:23
No 368217
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dry
mass
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been there,is worky.dont forget to completly dry pill mass before pulling
with alki.xperiments with tetra seem to indicate pfed floats on top of
tetra,shit sinks.Have washed peg laced pfed with tetra and run
sucessfully(1st rxn)Wareami rescued Swip on that one!!!cant soak long,minutes
are enough.
PC. 
Theres
a reason for all of this but I dont know what it is?
Greg Graffin
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-14-02 07:07
No 368338
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Okay
Okay....Ibee Gives!!!
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Geez: Seeings how many bees have yet to own as much stock as you in Cuervo,
it's time to bring the economy back UP and to tip the scales on the NYSE.
You sir may sell your stock while it's at the premium!
In other words....Put The Bottle Down
Side by side studies indicate that what Ibee said from the beginning about
the Poly encapsulators reattaching if allowed to soak in tetra is in fact
what occurs!
By what principals this action takes place is a mystery, which is why Ibee
hasn't gone in to too much detail surrounding this action.
All he knows is that PEG is present when tetra is used as a soak, like turps
soaks!
These fine lines that mark the differences between success and failure are
critical and try as Ibee might to explain the principals behind them, he's
learned to accept that it works and leaves it at that!
The countless amounts of correspondence that confirm similar successes, when
followed properly, are evidence enough. The tetra properties that enable the
removal of the polys foiling effects are without a doubt superior when this
step of the tetra wash precedes any other step!
It is easily incorporated. It also must be the first substance introduced as
Ibee and all bees are finding that certain solvents activate different areas
of these emodiments!
Most variables have been introduced prior to the tetra wash...ie..turps
cure...naptha boils...acetone soaks...xylene soaks...etc...
All experiments produce inferior results unless tetra is used as a first
step.
The Time factor here....being a critical issue, can be explained better by
analysing what Ibee understands is happening.
The Fine crushing and single filter are critical issues as well and will be
explained with the timing factor.
The purpose of the tetra is to come into contact with the molecular polymers
so the tetra will attract the polys away from the active ingredient. There
seems to be an immediate attraction as soon as contact is made. It can't be
seen as this is molecular, but the pillmass and the activity of the pillmass
when introduced to the tetra can be observed!
The reason why so much tetra is used is to allow this action to take place
quickly and thoroughly and assurance can be made that the tetra did it's job!
Ibee's done this with half the amount of tetra and had inconsistant results
with PEG being present! This is what led to Ibee's discovery that PEG can be
separated by identifying the PEG from the pinwheels after a simple
re-dissolve in alky prior to scraping! The Pinwheels will congregate toward
the center of the evapdish, leaving the funky crystals around the edges!
After separating the pinwheels...a final redissolve of the funky crystals
will maximize yield.
The object of the tetra wash is to expose the Pillmass to the tetra by
stirring until all is floating liberally in solution...The longer the
Pillmass is left in solution, the more the pillmass will regroup and float on
the surface.
This is not good!!!
Get it in, Stir quickly and get it out! The single filter allows the tetra to
act as the vehicle for the polyethyleneGlycols, polysorbate80 and
povidone(which is also a poly).
After a day or two of setting, the polys can be seen in the used tetra when
swirled. As the Molecular activity subsides, the polys can be seen with
NekKid Eye! As was previously reported, this supercharged tetra can be
re-used (after a few days)and appears to produce finer pinwheel crystal
formations.
When working with large amounts of Pfed, it is recommended that the pillmass
be rewashed again with clean tetra after the pillmass has dried completely
from the first wash!
Ibee just heard the Bee PERChed over on the Birch Stump ask "Can the
just used tetra be used for the second wash?"
No!
For the same reason that it takes a few days for the polys to settle enough
to be seen in the tetra. The polys are still active and will reattach when in
an active state of excitement!
Once the Pillmass/Tetra have been put into a funnel containing one single
filter, and the tetra collected, squeeze the filter containing the PM to rid
the excess tetra.
Hope this clears up some of the mysteries surrounding The 4 naked blonde
chicks in business-suits named Suzie!
Dry completely before introducing any other phases of extraction to the
pillmass.
Peace of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
10-14-02 17:17
No 368461
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One
more try
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Once again, the old curmudgeon responds: How long is too long?
Great information about not soaking too long. How long is too long? Say I put
my GUPs in a beaker, and covered with 3x tetra, and I mixed with my hand held
(tequila mixing) blender.... how long is too long? Do you recommend filtering
off the Tetra after one minute, three minutes, five minutes, what? TIME? HOW LONG IS TOO
LONG? That's
the question. Any suggestions? Minutes? Seconds? If you answered that
question, it had to be in Wareamiese, and I haven't had enough tequila yet to
understand it...HELP!
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Jetson
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
10-14-02 19:09
No 368488
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washing
the tet...
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oh, the cats outta the bag again...
jetson informed swij that if you take your used tetra and filter(after having
let it set for a while and all the crap settle out) and then wash it with h2o
it seems to come quit clean as he's been using the same tetra for the past
few rxn's with little problem. geez, i think all he means is to not let
it set in there too long. ya know. leave it in there just long
enough but not too much.... <razzz><razzz>
the
devil is so lonely
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goiterjoe
(Title on BackOrder)
10-14-02 19:17
No 368491
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what
kind of bullshit answer is that?
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If you've done it before, then why don't you give a general estimate as to
how long to soak for? What's so hard about that?
All
paths are the same: they lead nowhere
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-15-02 00:43
No 368587
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Bargain
Driving!!!
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Geez Old Bud...You drive a hard bargain!!!
The answer to "How Long" was indicated and Ibee intentionally left
out the wareamiese!
To come right out and say 1 minute or 2 minutes would be misleading and
Incorrect!
You know as well as Ibee that when a procedure DEMANDS developing a feel for
it, all that can be given accurately is what to look for. The Visuals. What
to do and what not to do!
I related what to look for depending on the variables involved.
Note that Ibee did not list exact amounts nor factors such as 120's or 60's.
The Filler to ActiveIngredient ratio varies between the two, CORRECT????
Therefore this obviously could not be decribed by a time window.
When pouring the tetra on the GUP-mass at 3parts tetra to 1part PM,
STIR until all floats LIBERALLY in that solution without any grouping or
rafting on the surface. This insures that the tetra has made contact with the
poly's.
This is one of those scenarios that must be "Hands On" to see
what's going on.
If Ibee said 2 minutes or even 90 seconds and the shit re-attached and left
SWIG with PEG....then this would be misinforming and Ibee refuses to do
that!!!
He provides the critical info and things to look for when performing this
procedure and even workarounds when things aren't followed by the book! Such
as...if SWIG turns his back to get something after mixing these two
ingredients and finds that all the Pillmass is floating on the surface, then
it can be assumed that he left it "TOO LONG" like Ibee said not to
Do!!!
Therefore...we need a fix! Dry the Pillmass and start over and pay attention.
GET IT IN...STIR until all is SWIMMING freely in solution..GET IT OUT!!! Do
not allow it to group around on the surface.
That's how long!
I am not being fecicious here or sarcastic!
Ibee can say it doesn't take longer than 3 minutes to complete this
procedure.
Then He's ready to bring this polyfree Pillmass into the next phase in
extraction of choice after allowing the Pillmass to dry! If using
NON-DryMatrix formulation, it's ready for alky extract. Add 3parts alky to
1part PM then let settle after stirring for 20-30min. Pull alky off the
pillmass and put through Charminfiltration device. EVAP!
Apologies to Geez for not exemplifying this better to begin with!
But In All Fairness
What part of "Get it in...STIR...GET IT OUT!" Did everybody
not get the first time????
Peace of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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goiterjoe
(Title on BackOrder)
10-15-02 04:39
No 368672
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I
was talking to Jetson
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leave it
in there just long enough but not too much
that response made what Wareami said sound a lot more vague.
All
paths are the same: they lead nowhere
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
10-15-02 04:56
No 368686
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No
bargains!
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"GET IT IN...STIR until all is SWIMMING freely in solution..GET IT
OUT!!! Do not allow it to group around on the surface. That's how long! I am
not being fecicious here or sarcastic"
Nor am I accusing you of being so.
You said it so that Geez got it. Stir it until it all starts to float and
pour it in the single filter. Get it naked and get it out of the tub. Don't
let it float, floaters will sink you. I'll do a blast with the drink mixer
blender in the tetra and see how fast she floats. Then yank her out before
she can re-robe. Or re-bikini.
I am familiar with the rapidity with which PEG dissolves in water (something
on the order of before the two even meet, along the lines of when you think
about pouring the water. I had no suggestion that PEG might be that soluble
in tetra. That quick. I was thinking minutes here, not seconds. That may very
well have been why I have experienced limited success with tetra in the past.
That and the fact that the smell ruins the flavor of Jose's finest.
Barkeep! One more in the shot glass, and I'll have the worm with this one,
thanks. Pass the salt.
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Payin2Much
(Hive Bee)
10-19-02 02:43
No 370083
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SWIP's
Experiences Were Different
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I must say that when SWIP was doin' the tetra watusi he NEVER got his pills
as clean as the NAPHTHA & activated carbon boils. MAYBEE HE WAS
MERELY LEAVING IT IN TOO LONG? Could bee, but with all due respect to
my colleague wareami, I think I'll stick with the NAPHTHA & fish tank
filter!
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
10-19-02 03:04
No 370090
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what
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P2M...I gotcha. Like me and A/B's. I'm comfortable, they work for me and I
know the yield I'm gonna get. I have trouble understanding people having
trouble with the process, since its like falling off a log after a while. If
you pay attention to what is going on with what you are working with.
WAre has the hang of tetra. I don't. I've had mediocre results with tetra myself,
except when using it to extract pseudo after washing the gups with it several
times. But that's a different story.
I still would like your notes on alky extraction after naptha boils with a
carbon back-- some insight into how you process it, and the yields you get.
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Scottydog
(Hive Addict)
10-19-02 04:30
No 370103
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T.R.P.S
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Swis has had the best results in terms of both cleanliness and yield when
using TRPS as a pre-soak and then on to the waterless A/B. Even works better
then Mineral Spirits and tetra (IMHO) for pill extraction.
Washing the post rxn fluid with Xylene several times prior to basing and then
washing the Xylene NP with dh20 a couple times (post basing) tends to leave
virtually no residual PEG in the end product.
Theoretically and "Consistantly" speaking that is...
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
10-19-02 09:02
No 370141
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Unexpected
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Swim's "workshop" area (includes lab) wears many hats and
oftentiems he finds little "surprises" hidden there. Today he
unearthed an old batch of psuedo that had been extracted tyvek style from
generic 120's with dry ISO alc. Swim gave up this practice ahwile back due to
new pills having hgiher concetrations of PEG that would make it through the
Tyvek soak.
Eyeballed it looks to bee about 8gm which will no doubt shrink further with
further cleanup. At the moment swim plans to do the following as attempt at
PEG removal.
Acetone Boil
Xylene Boil
Multiple Naphtha Boils with decants of cloudyness
Swim would have tried tetra on this stuff but apparently it's been banished
from his geographic region as all of the brake cleaner checked were multiple
combos of solvents other than the sought after tetra and CO2.
Any other suggestions welcome as swim ain't in a boiling mood this evening
and will commence with that chore in the morning.
Sans
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
10-19-02 16:42
No 370212
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Recrystalize
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Dissolve that pseudo in hot, dry alcohol. The key is dry. The PEG will also
dissolve, pretty much, but will be a little denser and you can turkey baste
or eyedropper or syringe out the nasty from the bottom of the beaker.
Recrystalize twice with hot dry alcohol (ISO is best here) and dry acetone.
Any water and the PEG stays right with you. It is soluble in the suggestion
of water.
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
10-19-02 21:26
No 370274
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Drying
"Dry" Alcohol
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I know that it's allegedly dry straight off the shelf but would it bee
advisable to also dry the red bottled ISO sold as a "premium water
remover & fuel system antifreeze"?
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Razor1911
(Stranger)
10-20-02 01:23
No 370323
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Swir
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Chemosabe Swir can verify as a fact that the material we seek for the tetra
has been indeed outlawed in California. So it may be same for you or may not
be. After chatting with wareami Swir endeavored to get that item , and
actually went to a great deal of effort to do so, in the end the manufacture
has two version of this product , one for california and one for places were
it is not outlawed. I have yet to overcome this hurdle so can not try the
tetra.
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
10-20-02 01:55
No 370331
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Regional
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Tetra's definitely not available in swim's parts. One of the guys who worked
in one of the auto parts stores was giving him funny looks too for spedning
so long reading the ingredients on bottles.
Question to Geez. Turned out to bee 9.5 grams of dirty psuedo. Swim dissolved
it in 50ml ISO straight out of the red bottle in a 250ml measuring cup on a
medium/low heat on hot plate.
Seems as though a sep funnel would work to sep off the heavier PEG. Then
allow this to vap and crystallize. Then repeat?
At the moment I can see that swim is dozing off and dreaming this exact
dream.
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Payin2Much
(Hive Addict)
10-20-02 02:31
No 370347
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Shouldn't
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Maybe I'm uninformed, but isn't the red bottled OH no higher than 190°?
That would leave 5% or more H2O. Way too much for SWIP's
recrystallizations. As a matter of fact, I just put a bag of Epsoms in
the oven for him.
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
10-20-02 02:37
No 370354
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Probably
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So 99% is a better deal to get? Swim also just stocked up on that as well the
red bottle. I know that 1% still implies some drying. Swim sure do miss his
silica gel crystals now but Sodium Carbonate and Epsoms also work so I think
swim's got some drying chores in order.
Or is that odor?
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Scottydog
(Hive Addict)
10-20-02 02:50
No 370363
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Panning
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After running one's favorite method of pseudo extraction. Edit:(> pseudo
"HCl")
Even after an A/B. Just like I mentioned way back when in that old tyvek
thread, PEG can be dealt with effectively by panning with acetone.
The PEG will float and the pseudo will settle. By pouring in the tone,
swirling and decanting X3 most of the PEG is eliminated. What residual PEG is
left in the crude precursor can be dealt with like der Geez says through
recrystallization with ISO IPA.
This PEG has some pseudo trapped in it as it is poured off. Swis saves these
filters as they accumulate and on a rainy/snowy day performs a recrystallization
on the PEG to liberate a few more grams of pseudo. Comes in handy when mother
nature throws a wrench in the shopping spree. Recycle that PEG! Never know
what is hiding in there and by doing this a bee knows there is no waste.
PEG appears to be insoluable in acetone and most newbees will confuse it as
pseudo.
What works for Swis! He can't remember the last time that boiling NP solvents
were even necessary...
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
10-20-02 05:04
No 370384
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Panning
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ScottyDog suggested panning for PEG.
Swim has now dried out his 1st ReX of psuedo.
So I'm assuming next he should...
crush up xstalized psuedo
pan for PEG with dry acetone
re-X again
Swim's hoping he can actually run a batch this evening as he's definitely in
Jonestown at the monment!
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-20-02 06:57
No 370405
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Alternative
Aquisition!
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Okay okay...! This is obviously a case of Governmental conspiracy against
Wareami! 
Looks like Ibee will have to Brake out Ware's Special Task Force of
NinjaBee's   
from the assylum ware the WingNutz are M'Ployed so they can be sent on a
stealth mission for an alternative OTC method of aquisition!
Maybe Benwiffen can lend ole ware a few of his "Charlies Angles"
to help build a Geo-Metrick plan of attack!
Give them a week to deploy and should have results by the weekend!
They can't keep a Good  Down!!!
Peace of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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geezmeister
(Bee of the Month)
10-20-02 16:34
No 370491
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red
bottle
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That red bottle of ISO is much drier than any other ISO you are going to find
OTC. Way better than 95%. Scottydog's notes on panning are very useful when
acetone flashing. The floaters are suspect, you can float them off and
dissolve. The sep funnel would work, but probably isn;t needed, as an
eyedropper or pipette would get it pretty easily.
After growing pseudo needles once, then growing more out of the mother liquor
left, combine the needles, and do the whole redissolve recrytstalize step
again. This also helps a lot in getting rid of any MCC or Methocel you
extracted with the pseudo.
There are some pill formulas with PEG that is completely acetone soluble.
Whether this is true before the PEG is "activated" with water (or
by water freed in the basing of the hydrochloride from the pseudo molecule) I
don't know.
I have found even with the generic 120's that a couple of xylene boils before
doing the a/b extract, or before doing the straight to bee extract, really
reduces the likelihood of a PEG problem post reaction.
Mostly
harmless
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zibarium
(Naked)
10-21-02 03:10
No 370641
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wareami:
gracias!
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just had to compliment you on your thourougness and patience. you are a
gem, imho.
(yet it wories me no end that i comprehend your lingo)
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-21-02 05:59
No 370687
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Most
welcome!
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Zib:Most welcome friend!
(yet it wories me no end that i comprehend your lingo)
Never fear...your worries are shared by many and won't diminish as long as
the Kidz are around! If that's any consolation? It's just easier to grab a
bottle of Tequila like the rest of the bees suffering from this puzzling
affliction and get to the worm ASAP! Dock
Ware's orders!
Ships Ahoy!
Peace of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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EzeKieL
(Hive Bee)
10-21-02 12:36
No 370797
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tetra
in California
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If you look for electric motor cleaner at the auto parts house you'll find
the tetra you seek
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Razor1911
(Stranger)
10-22-02 14:26
No 371222
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tetra
in california
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Hmm, Swir is surprised at the finding of tetra of the appropriate kind in
Cali. Swir went to great lengths at the suggestion of his mentor to aquire a
certain tetra brake cleaner type. After tireless attempts all the way to the
manufacturer , I finally was informed that due to california law the tetra
based brake cleaner was not allowed to be sold in Califonia. Please PM me
some more details on the find of the California Tetra if possible.
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pink_obsession
(Newbee)
10-22-02 17:06
No 371263
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Can't
help the Californians...
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but tetra is still readily availably in the SouthEAST part of the country.
Didn't
your mama ever tell you to marry a woman who can COOK???
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dwarfer
(Hive Addict)
10-22-02 22:47
No 371410
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avail
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tetra is available in Ca. with no problem.
However, it likely will be a limited time that it is so.
There are several formulations that use it other than those mentioned..
There are other places to get it than auto supply stores.
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It is interesting to note the reality of what happens here and it's effect on
the marketplace.
Uncle Ho Monga brought this up, in a thread here, something about "there
be two types of brake cleaners: flam, and Unflamable....." about ?? 18
months ago.
WareamI makes it an art form, and the world begins to drink Tequila.
8 months later it begins to disappear from the shelves...
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I only have one piece of advice following, arising from the former.
buy ephedra while you can, the
closing window will accellerate soon
Even this caused it to come down more rapidly..
tick toc tic toc tik tock.
you'll be SOR-reeeeee
dwarfer
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-23-02 00:15
No 371436
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11
months...but who's counting? :•þ
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Ibee together with FumbleBee and StumbleBee released the Egull 11-14-2001.
Wouldn't it be funny if they banned
tequila to keep bees from understanding Ware(TF)ami?
Since the efficacy of tetra isn't as productive against the Dry-Matrix, Ibee
and the Kidz have switched gears and are focusing time and energies on
alternate extraction possibilities! Months of research have already been
devoted and aquisition is in progress toward a few experiments!
Coincidences are rare! For those fortunate enough to aquire tetra should do
so! And also follow dwarfers advice. It won't be long.
Tetra works because of it's Dislike for water. It actually Repells water!
However, it has an affinity for certain polymers.
This is why it's a popular cleaner! This is why it's used in DryCleaning. It
attacks proteins and stuff common stains are comprised of! Stains people
can't remove with ordinary household products are usually handled with ease
at the DryCleaners....for a price! Alot of the same principals in cleaning
apply to the common inert ingredients in OTC Rx's.
Wareas alot of bees thought that the BrakeCleaner makers would Love
StumbleBee and FumbleBee for boosts in sales, Quite the opposite might be
true now!
Oh well...Ibee hasn't seen those two since last year and would bet his last
nick that they are out looking for other OTC manufacturers to foldup and Fly
like paper Aeroplanes!
Peace of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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zibarium
(Naked)
10-23-02 11:20
No 371680
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dubious
honors!
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one does get the feeling that the gakk scientists, if not LE, are paying
attention to the relentless chem-hack breakthrus brought to light at this
website.
interesting, the way it suddnly increases sales for some obscure product.
i was about to buy stock in polypropelene disposable surgeon's caps....until
straight to bee.
dwarfer and wareami could have the distinction of being the cause of a new
additive.
anybee clever enough to come up with a new cleaning method that will ensure
the sales of a particular otc product; having already invested in the company
that makes it?
strange world
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ChemoSabe
(Hive Addict)
10-23-02 11:47
No 371688
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The
Local Wally Worlds
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Zib your post has reminded me of the 3 local Wally Worlds and their
ephedrine product policies.
Two of them will only let you buy one pack at a time and you must ask for it
at the pharmacy window.
At the other it's a 3 pack per customer off the shelf FREEFORALL!!!!
And man do they sell a LOT of it. Sometime I'll go in and they're freshly
stocked. The shelves are full to capacity. Then when I come back a bit later,
because I forgot to get something the first time, the shelves are cleaned
out!
Ephedrine products are sure making someone (legitimately) a lot of money.
Sans
dookie
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Jetson
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
10-23-02 19:27
No 371815
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"Ephedrine products are sure making someone (legitimately) a lot of
money"
yeah and so what are they going to say when they ban the sale of it because
of it's use in meth production?
[sup]my
god man! get it together...sup]
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wareami
(Hive Addict)
10-24-02 06:44
No 372043
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Ibee
antics!
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Sometimes Ware(TF)ami regrets some antics of the past due in part to
obscurity and obfuscation!
Wareami's post that bit the dust entitled "PettyCoat Junktion"
included a reply from jacked thast summed UP alot of the reasons OTC P-Fed is
lucrative and not banned completely! It all boils down to the AllMighty $$$
and politics! Don't think for one minute that the opposition isn't in control
of this!
"Ephedrine products are sure making someone (legitimately) a lot of
money"
Jetson brings up a good case and point!
Those bees here that have seen the Anti-Drug commercials can see the
propaganda strageties employed!
One in particular refers to Dan buying some weed and the family that gets
wiped out by the Cartel responsible for Smuggling into the US because the
family interfered!
Blame needs to fall on those truly responsible for allowing the idiocy to
continue! Decriminalization would bring a halt to the senselessness, but it
would also create a new community of Cardboard Boxes full of homeless
WORTHLESS politicians! It's easy for the conscienceless to live it up at the
non-violent innocent's expense!
The problems created by their hands are coming to roost closer to home when
Governers have to watch their own children jailed by the laws they've
endorsed and are sworn to uphold!
Cutting Goverment spending as a start can easily be summed up with two
words..."Decriminalize Marijauna", which is ten times less harmful
than alcohol! Gateway Drug My ASS!!! The gateway drug is parentalLifestyle
and Learned Behavior!
How many fatalities are directly caused by Pot use? Aside from trying to
skirt around senseless Governmental Policies!
Somebody needs to wake up!!!
Peace of
the REaction
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
Everything
Ibee says should be taken with a Large Grain of Sympathomimetic Amine Salt
ô¿ôWareami
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ol8dbee
(Stranger)
10-24-02 15:26
No 372149
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wareami
antics response....
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Seen those crazy commercials..response should bee, then grow yer own! Then no
nasty cartel will kill those parents.
But that brings us right back to ill eagle activities. Last time I had a hard
time driving hi, it was because I couldn't find the exit for the T*co B*ell!!
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dwarfer
(Hive Addict)
10-25-02 01:40
No 372344
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speaking
of waking up...
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I remember how much my "counselor" hated me
in my "drunk drivers" school,
as he, with his "I'm a drunk
but I've been dry for 27 years" B.S.
visited us with the benefits
of joining AA and going on the
rightous path of the Twelve Steps..
Talking with us about how the EVIL DRINK
causes our society more than heroin, amphetamine,
marijuana, cocaine, and
ALL other drug costs comBINED.
"Woe", said I," is it then
the WORSTEST drug as far as societal costs"??
He said nothing but everybody broke
for the mid lecture smoke break.
He, and 90%+ of the class went outside to fire up a fag,
as they say in England, and enjoyed it mightily,
I must say.
I asked again upon his return.
He once more avoided a response.
"Is it not true", I asked,
"that nicotine consumption is even MORE expensive
for society than the dreaded ALCOHOL consumption
that brings us all together here? And If so,
should not you and each of you who smoke
seriously consider YOUR responsibility
to society and reFRAIN from your indulgences.??"
well, being RIGHT did not seem to impress the Guru:
he said I seemed to have an anger problem,
and set up a special session for me to attend.
Lucky me.
Isn't it interesting that Uncle Big Hat
thinks it's OK to have your alcohol and cigarettes:
the taxes are significant, and besides,
prohibition didn't work anyway...
truth is, WOD doesn't either, but what's new??
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<special for Wareami ":<)
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pupilage
(Stranger)
10-25-02 01:49
No 372345
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Ephedrine
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Swims guess is it depends on what part of the country you are in as to how
watched an item is. If you live in an area where known activity is, then the
area most likely has been put on notice.
Just today in a dream a great aunt found Red Hots, 96 count buy one get one
free (the angels of gogo smile). This event triggered a dream of following
VideoE's simple freebase extract, which this aunt has never tried before. Now
shopping has beecome one of those things swim enjoys and looks forward to.
Take road trips to the country, enjoy the sights, keep yours eyes open and
when you see a bargin buy it. You can always tell the guy/girl checking you
out your sisters son has alergies and you know she will love you all the more
for having thought of her when you saw this deal.
"Sometimes
I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits." Satchel Paige
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GED
(Hive Addict)
10-25-02 02:36
No 372352
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"known
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We washed our hands with 1,1,1,trichloro-something or other brake cleaner,
for years, when someone noticed the fine print. "Known to the state of
California to cause cancer."
Everyone laughed when someone said, "Damn good thing we don't live in
California."
Saw yesterday that CA. wants to outlaw "perc" by 2019. So much for
dry cleaners.
Anyways, against the law for cigarette companies to sponsor race cars now, so
they are sponsored by beer companies.
Theres a certain logic to that. If I had to drive 200mph inches from someones
bumper, I'd need a six-pack of something.
Strange World ?
Someone should sell tickets. 
Regards, all.
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methium
(Stranger)
11-05-02 07:03
No 376608
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It
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Birch is a real wild card in that when SWIM sets birch on the production
line, it does a modified A/B which essentially leaves a desirable end product
that only gets better with the care and fine tuning one has the option to
apply. It has been noted by SWIM that yeilds have (once or twice)
taken a marked dip while nothing in procedure was altered, only the pill
brand/type had been other than usual.
Oh, take a CLOSER look at them race cars. HARD liquor adverts on some, DRUG
COMPANIES on others! Most notable:
Crown Royal (scotch)
Pfizer (viagra)
Lilly (you fuckin' NAME it!)
Winston still graces the V8 NASCAR cup
as well as a dragster and dragbike
F1 is all about tobacco sponsership, EXCEPT it is forbidden at the
"american" Grand Prix at Indy. Now THERE you will see the Jordans
don't remove all the letters of thier particular brand, Benson and Hedges is
morphed into "Be on edge"
The way the whole thing works is really starting to look as though whoever
makes the final decision does so after downing pills with a scotch double.
It is
all new, has hundreds of uses, and comes in 12 incredible flavors! not
availible in any store.
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