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	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 11-27-00 07:36 No 71217		Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			DOne a search of the archives a while back to see how to deal with paracetamol, but couldn't find method. Anyway, SWIM was browsing a Codeine FAQ on erowid or somewhere and came across a method for removing acetaminophen from Codeine by exploiting its insolubility in cold H2O.  He did a search at Chemfinder for PAracetamol to find out its'solubility and low and behold found that Acetaminophen and Paracetamol are one and the same thing! Paracetamol is " Very slightly soluble. 0.1-0.5 g/100 mL at 22 C "in H2O. So removal of Paracetamol from say Codral Cold and Flu night tabs should be a piece of piss. Just dissolve in H2O, cool the solution and filter out the solid Paracetamol. Shit they may not even contain povidone etc! Anybee see a flaw in that? D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous)
	gogo (Hive Bee) 11-27-00 21:42 No 71326		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			CAN  YA READ this forum says crstal meth post  this shit else where
	lowtech (Hive Bee) 11-27-00 23:01 No 71341		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			He did a search at Chemfinder for PAracetamol to find out its'solubility and low and behold found that    Acetaminophen and Paracetamol are one and the same thing! Paracetamol is " Very slightly soluble.    0.1-0.5 g/100 mL at 22 C "in H2O. I have found that some 'red dots' around here that contain acetaminophen always contain povidone. This may not matter when using the 'turp cure'. I have not tried the 'turp cure' so I cannot say I have seen the result with my own eyes. I think the new qustion becomes - what does the 'turp cure' do to the acetaminophen. I have to get busy so I can see what happens. I think I'll start adding the 'red dot/acetaminophen' to my crossref chart. One source stocks only that. gogo - are you in the habit of telling everyone to fuckoff in all threads/fourms?? -lt My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical useHerding cats.
	gogo (Hive Bee) 11-28-00 19:07 No 71396		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			man look at my posts more carefully before making a comment lowtech I only  flame people needing to be flamed
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 11-29-00 04:52 No 71440		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			You stupid fuckwit!!!! SWIM has never flamed anyone before, but this needs to be dealt with harshly. You are an idiot gogo. Crystal Meth is made from pseudoephedrine. You knew that right??!! Obviously not. Ha, what a stupid little prat you must feel now. YOU MORON, many cold and flu tabs contain both paracetamol & pseudoephedrine. GOT A CLUE YET DICKHEAD?? BTW, if you hadn't also sent that abusive PM as well as posting your idiocy for the world to see, this flame would not have happened. THINK before you abuse. D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous)
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 11-29-00 05:11 No 71445		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			in reply to: ________________________________________________ I have not tried the 'turp cure' so I cannot say I have seen the result with my own eyes. I think the new qustion becomes - what does the 'turp cure' do to the acetaminophen. ____________________________________________________________ The turps cure works, and works very fucking well . Also, the turps cure won't do anything to the acetaminophen if you remove it first then evapp, before doing the turps thing. D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous)
	lowtech (Hive Bee) 11-29-00 05:44 No 71450		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			acetaminophen is something I have not even dissolved in any solvent. One day I'll fool with it. At least try to. AND get a merk index too. Yawn, more coffee... -lt My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical useHerding cats.
	speedygonzales (Newbee) 11-30-00 02:01 No 71646		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			HA HA did gogo send you an abusive PM he sent me one about 3 mounths back but he ended up guiding me thure my first sucessfull cat synth maybe he dose have a habit of telling people to fuck off  but he does know allot
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 12-01-00 17:39 No 71863		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			Gogo needs to learn some humility. When you make a stupid post and send an abusive PM, and then get your nose rubbed in your own stupid shit, the right thing to do is to post an apology, NOT SEND ANOTHER ABUSIVE PM as gogo has done. Would you believe, gogo had the gall to insult SWIM for wanting to investigate paracetamol removal? Gogo instructs SWIM to "grow a brain" and simply purchase sudo tabs without paracetamol! What a prat. Gogo must be a self-absorbed individual for whom the world outside his state borders only exist in an abstract sense. BTW, gogo the FAQ that SWIM read regarding removal of paracetamol from codeine had nothing to do with heroin. SWIM aint interested in that evil shit, but obviously you are! D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous)
	Ma_Huang (Newbee) 03-11-01 00:40 No 177842		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			The turps cure - NOT!!! Just got around to trying the topic of this thread recently, hence the late post. 30 pills containing 30mg pseudo and 500mg paracetamol were pulverised in a mortar and soaked overnight in Diggers mineral turpentine, with periodic manual shaking. The solvent was filtered and a second extraction was performed. Combined solvents were evaporated in the expectation that I would see a 15g heap of paracetamol looking back at me. Instead, I saw a thin film that I didn't even bother to weigh. Looks to me like cold H20 might be the best separation method, unless a more appropriate organic solvent can be found.
	PVnRT_NC8 (Hive Addict) 03-11-01 18:03 No 177986		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			I never use water, only water used seems to be a water of xtylazation perhaps though i am very interested in removing acetomenophen and jargon Amethystium
	SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 03-12-01 06:32 No 178044		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			in reply to: ________________________________________ The turps cure - NOT!!! Just got around to trying the topic of this thread recently, hence the late post. 30 pills containing 30mg pseudo and 500mg paracetamol were pulverised in a mortar and soaked overnight in Diggers mineral turpentine, with periodic manual shaking. The solvent was filtered and a second extraction was performed. Combined solvents were evaporated in the expectation that I would see a 15g heap of paracetamol looking back at me. Instead, I saw a thin film that I didn't even bother to weigh. Looks to me like cold H20 might be the best separation method, unless a more appropriate organic solvent can be found. ___________________________________________________ A few HInts. 1:Diggers, NOT. The very yellowest Reco-Chem, YES.(But not for para removal) 2:Paracetamol dissolves readily in acetone. Do the tone bit of the cure first, and repeatedely and with large volumes when using para tabs. There's a shitload of various gakks in there and the solubility of para in tone is "only" 50-100 mg/mL @ 22 C, so your 15 grams would require at least 150ml all to its lonesome and remember there's a ton  of other shit competing for space in the tone as well as the para.  Try doing a tone soak and evap of plain para tabs to get an adequate appreciation of the solubility in tone. 3: Paracetamol should stay beehind in an A/B as it is soluble in a Solutions of alkali hydroxides:according to the MSDS data, and insoluble in benzene based NP solvents, as you already have discovered with the turps. SWIM has only played with para tabs cause he finds it easier to follow the advise of a previous abusive poster in this thread and just "use the fucking straight sudo pills", but if you persist you should bee able to separate the bitch. SWIM suggests you accumulate a shitload of these pills to minimize percentage yeild losses that will happen with the large volume solvent treatment of a nano batch,(rememeber the Pfed is slightly soluble in tone too, and the filterings, vessel transfers, A/B seps, etc also lead to Pfed losses), using a LOT of pills will ameliorate the losses here. Then do a heavy duty turps cure(acetone first) and concentrate on those tone boils. Follow this with 3  meoh pulls , evap, dissolve in icy H20, set in freezer till solid ice starts, then filter through multiple stacked prewet coffee filters. Now do an A/B, ensuiring that the layers are mixed very thoroughly. After a few of these pain-in-the-arse processes, SWIM is sure you will devote much more effort to acquistion of straight Pfed tabs. Aint chemistry FUN?!
	bizarium (Hive Addict) 03-12-01 06:58 No 178052		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			surely Paracetemol would have to bee on the listed ingrediants of a pill? swib wondering if this could bee the fucker in his messy cleaning efforts also wondering, what if one starts with red pills in 'tone w/ tiny amt. of water, ala Dwarfer's sweet red removal, and then grind up the fuckers in this same solution; possibly pouring off lotta gakk as well as red in that first mess of 'tone? Sorta double duty? Otherwize, red removal wastes some clean tone.
	SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 03-12-01 08:04 No 178055		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			in reply to: _________________________________________ surely Paracetemol would have to bee on the listed ingrediants of a pill? _________________________________________ Damn Biz, you still stuck on the clean-up!?? Para is listed even in aussie "mystery" pills, so is certain to bee on the "right to know" yanky boxes. Probably called Acetaminophen though. OR...... SYNONYMS:   ACETAMINOPHEN   4'-HYDROXYACETANILIDE   N-(P-HYDROXYPHENYL)ACETAMIDE   N-(4-HYDROXYPHENYL)ACETAMIDE   P-ACETAMIDOPHENOL   PARACETAMOL   4-ACETAMIDOPHENOL   P-ACETAMINOPHENOL   N-ACETYL-P-AMINOPHENOL   P-ACETYLAMINOPHENOL   P-HYDROXYACETANILIDE   ACETANILIDE, 4'-HYDROXY-   ACETAMIDE, N-(P-HYDROXYPHENYL)-   ACETAMIDE, N-(4-HYDROXYPHENYL)-   PHENOL, P-ACETAMIDO-   ABENSANIL   ACAMOL   ACETAGESIC   ACETALGIN   ACETAMINOFEN   ALGOTROPYL   ALPINYL   ALVEDON   AMADIL   ANAFLON   ANELIX   ANHIBA   APADON   APAMID   APAMIDE   APAP   BEN-U-RON   BICKIE-MOL   CALPOL   CETADOL   CLIXODYNE   DATRIL   DIAL-A-GESIC   DIROX   DOLIPRANE   DYMADON   ENELFA   ENERIL   EXDOL   FEBRILIX   FEBRO-GESIC   FEBROLIN   FENDON   FINIMAL   G 1   GELOCATIL   HEDEX   HOMOOLAN   JANUPAP   KORUM   LESTEMP   LIQUAGESIC   LONARID   LYTECA   LYTECA SYRUP   MOMENTUM   MULTIN   NAPA   NAPAFEN   NAPAP   NAPRINOL   NCI-C55801   NOBEDON   PACEMO   PANADOL   PANETS   PANEX   PANOFEN   PARACETAMOLE   PARACETANOL   PARAPAN   PARASPEN   PARMOL   PEDRIC   PHENDON   PYRINAZINE   SK-APAP   TABALGIN   TAPAR   TEMLO   TEMPANAL   TEMPRA   TRALGON   TUSSAPAP   TYLENOL   VALADOL   VALGESIC You're lucky in the USA, if it ain't listed on the box , then it ain't there. in reply to: ________________________________________ Sorta double duty? ________________________________________ Heh, yeh, tone is expensive huh! SWIM also avoids tone waste wherever possible, ( like mixing with denatured when soaking MbRP strips), and your idea should work but may remove more Pfed than desired, if there is an XS of water used. The answer, continue wasting a little bit of tone, or, do lots of nanos and finetune things, that's what nanos are great for. SWIM is waiting for a Biz post that reports a satisfactory pill cleanup. Come on now, it really ain't hard, just do the turps cure and repeat till the tone is non-cloudy when dumped in H2O. It's the Multiple NIKE method...Step 1:just Do It. Step 2: Repeat Step 1 till the clear tone patrol from Amnesty International shuts down the sweatshop Aint chemistry FUN?!
	PVnRT_NC8 (Hive Addict) 03-12-01 23:07 No 178166		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			bullshit in the usa they only list inactives that have been proven to adversly effect um serious reactions such as sugar to a diabetic etc etc the populace to whic it serves otherwise it is not listed is secreete Amethystium
	SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 03-13-01 01:39 No 178193		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			in reply to: ______________________________________________ bullshit in the usa they only list inactives that have been proven to adversly effect ______________________________________________ Really? That's a surprise. SWIM knew that catch-all patent refs are starting to bee used, but thought that in other cases all the ingredients where listed. Given the highly litigious nature of the average yank, SWIM woulda thought that any pharma firm not providing the whole magilla to the consumer, was running a huge risk of getting sued out of business when the freak adverse reaction occurs with a secret ingredient. Does US law provide legal protection for such secrecy? Aint chemistry FUN?!
	bizarium (Hive Addict) 03-13-01 09:12 No 178245		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			Thanks, SA. Biz has managed cleaning, but for shit yields. May try again w/ hotter and more quantity of solvents. May even stumble onto something in the blunderings. Like meat tenderizer. Bet you haven't tried that. at least swib has abandoned all hope of a/b ing the fuckers into submission.
	PVnRT_NC8 (Hive Addict) 03-14-01 07:33 No 178432		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			yes um bzzz the gogo is soluable into the tone.  It first must necessarly saturate the tone whichever is more soluable the other wil partially crash out, dont sound to good; at least the gogo is soluable into cold water after some washing, perhaps the cold water is a good idea it shure works on codfish tabs Amethystium
	bizarium (Hive Addict) 03-14-01 14:47 No 178509		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			that's what i was wondering. how solvents act when faced with choices. like when using tone and tiny water to just handle the red coloring...then if you tried to also dissolve some gakk w/ the tone, might the water drop its load of crap in favor of some p-fed? or is it rendered "safe" because its already full of red die. Woulda also figured that the tone in the dwarfer red clean was pre-filled, if'n it was gonna crab any p-fed. don't quite get the solubility of go-go in tone. seems minute, according to the way it acts on uncrushed pills.
	bizarium (Hive Addict) 03-14-01 15:06 No 178511		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			guess we're heading off topic, but i can't resist another question if assman and f-man are still in the arena. 2 (at least) schools of thought exist in pill cleaning land. my guess is they stem from a world with different gakks. One doesn't want you to disturb the micro-crystaline stuff and the polymers; and is more focused on gentle submission, and semi-novel filtration. Mostly MeOH pulls. The other is a total assault with solvents. A/B-ing remains an option in either approach, if failure is imminent. having dreamed about the first approach; drawn in by its lure of less hassle, and pretty much failed therein, approach 2 sounds good. Herein, also did poorly, quite likely wrong turps. Ok. what i'm wondering is about blenders. they seem to come and go. but swib wants to get a yard sale one, and fuck it all up with solvents, sorta heating them too. Having given up on not disturbing those bundles of a/b fucking additives. so, i forget. why are blenders a bad tool in cleaning? I could imagine 'tone fucking the rubber gasket, and possibly catching fire and burning down the house...but is there a chemistry reason for not grinding the fuck out of the pill mass at every step of solvent cleaning? thanx for enduring my excessive yackiness, to which i have unwittingly added with this foolish humility.
	GED (Hive Bee) 03-15-01 03:45 No 178650		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			SWIM went Christmas shopping at one of those discount stores (truckline salvage type places). Found stack of Hamilton Beach blenders, new in box, for 18.00 each.  Dandy Christmas gift. They have gone back to glass containers. White rubber type top, forms good seal.  Omly problem is center cap made of clear plactic. Polycarbonate, maybe?   Anyways, they stand up to Methanol, no problem.   Even ran Xylene in the thing. No leakage, but the clear plastic center cap, did not stand up to that well. Tryed to melt. Upon drying, it was no longer clear. No big problem, and no leaks.  Side by side comparison, of blender verses mayo jar and shaking is dreamed of. When results are in, they will be posted.   Notice in Worlock's thread, W&L patent, the "Scientist" types used a blender to prove their new gakk worked. Not expecting great results. Just curious.  Saw same blender at some chain store. Not much more than junk store.
	SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 03-15-01 04:39 No 178653		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			in reply to: ______________________________ what i'm wondering is about blenders. they seem to come and go ______________________________ Blanders came and went very fucking quickly for SWIM. Useless, pain in the arse, at least at nano scale. Solids get strew all over the wall of vessel B4 they can get blended properly. Might bee worthwhile at high volume, but for nano, either use pills such as the Aussie Suda that powder readily when wetted,(and are easy to precrush for the anal bee), or use pliers or a hammer on the hard shell type pills.(Pulp-Fiction flashback, "gonna get me some pipe-hitting niggers who are gonna go to work on Mr Soon-To-Be-Living-In-A-World-Of-Pain Rapist here, with pliers and a blowtorch). Hint for A/B on Pfed at nano level. Add NaOH solution slowly until white precipitation starts, then just a teeny bit more so that you get a definite layer of white solids. Add NP and seal and shake harder than when you first discovered masturbation. The layers should bee like one layer, thick and creamy texture, kinda like.....no, lets not go there!. Anyhoo, it will take a while to separate. Wash NP good. Salt it out, use same vigourous mixing of acid-water. Aint chemistry FUN?!
	bizarium (Hive Addict) 03-15-01 08:00 No 178695		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			gracias, S-A. swib will bypass urge to blenderize in favor of mastabatory levels of shaking. (or perhaps take jar into nursing home and have someone with advanced Parkinson's hold the jar for awhile.) sorry..that was tasteless. which, hopefully, brings me to one last annoying question: Turps. Does aussie turps have a cas#? are any americans having luck w/ turps? hard to tell, as bees mostly don't say where they are. is it more of a mineral paint thinner we're after here? Are the identification #s on these solvents universal? Lowtech, forgive me if you have already done this homework for us internet impaired types.
	SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 03-16-01 16:52 No 178928		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			A search at Chemfinder show 2 records. Firstly, Turpentine CAS#8006-64-2 is DOT# UN 1299. And  Turpentine CAS#9005-90-7 without a Un number. SWIM assumes this is his mineral type with a DOT# of UN1300, and the first one is natural gum turps. The natural turps should work almost as well if you just have the patience to do multiple boils. Aint chemistry FUN?!
	bizarium (Hive Addict) 03-16-01 20:29 No 178963		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			Superassman, you're the best. several budding bees will thank you.
	Ma_Huang (Newbee) 03-22-01 21:34 No 180004		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			Paracetamol should stay beehind in an A/B as it is soluble in a Solutions of alkali hydroxides:according to the MSDS data, and insoluble in benzene based NP solvents, as you already have discovered with the turps. In fact, the paracetamol seems to _react_ with OH- solutions. It turns a deep red-brown colour after about half an hour. Fortunately, that colour doesn't seem to want to go into the NP. I actually don't think too much of benzene based solvents like toluene for A/B pill extraction, and generally prefer chloroform, so its not going to be quite that simple for me at least. Hhmmm, looking at that paracetamol molecule, the hydroxyl would be a piece of piss to reduce (or substitute). All that remains is to shift the amide group in the side chain along one C, which of course is a pain in the ass, but not necessarily out of the question ...
	SuperAssman (Hive Addict) 03-29-01 05:58 No 180941		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			in reply to: __________________________________________ Hhmmm, looking at that paracetamol molecule, the hydroxyl would be a piece of piss to reduce (or substitute). All that remains is to shift the amide group in the side chain along one C, which of course is a pain in the ass, but not necessarily out of the question ... __________________________________________________ Whoah.... now that's what we like to see....ambition. So what would you hope to "make" from paracetamol? Hah, let's see the fuckers try to control the sale of fucking Panadol!! Anyways, regarding the A/B, did you try to sep Pfed from Paracetamol? Results? Aint chemistry FUN?!
	Ma_Huang (Newbee) 04-01-01 00:28 No 181390		Re: Removing Paracetamol	Bookmark Reply
			Anyways, regarding the A/B, did you try to sep Pfed from Paracetamol? Results? As you first suggested, OH- (plus an overnight rest) makes the Para. water soluble. Too easy.
	runaway_slave 07-22-02 22:13		paracetamol is already water soluble you twat. (Rated as: flaming)	Bookmark Reply
	pseudaus (Hive Bee) 07-23-02 14:16 No 336221		out of a possable 3g.	Bookmark Reply
			out of a possable 3g.pseud 50gparacetamol swim got 2g.pseud with water a/b  but is very dificult filtering out most or the paracetamol when swim tries another he will boil pseud/para. feedstock with touling and acetone before atempting a/b to see if any differance occurs .this post is for educational purposes only.
	runaway_slave (Stranger) 09-10-02 10:00 No 354926		Acetaminophen A/B specifics?	Bookmark Reply
			Hey Pseudaus. Ive been experimenting for a while with the acetaminophen/pseudoephedrine pills and was wondering about your exact methodology. Myself, i just rinse 100g of pills (with 5g of pseudo) in 1000ml of hot dh2O and wait for all the acetam to crash out as the temp falls to just above freezing. This leaves about 12g of white powder of unknown purity (max purity 40%). Subsequent main reactions yield <10%. Ive tried a couple of A/B extractions but they seem to go to crap, maybe over basifying, maybe over acidifying, i have no goddamn idea really. Any pointers as to the exact pH levels used and results obtained? And does anyone know what might happen if i overbasified Acetaminophen? (Or alternately, what efect a huge excess of lye would have on Acetam) ~Slave

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