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	LaBTop (Moderator) 04-19-00 17:20 No 107119		The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			Author  Topic:   Shaolin Master-Styles of the GOGO Gadget Groupies  KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-14-2000 06:21 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dehydrohalogenation Begin by purchasing 1kg of 3-Phenyl-1-chloropropane AKA 3-phenylpropyl chloride. This should easily be had for $180 or less. It is unwatched and while many of your suppliers might not have it in stock, they can all source it for you*. *Clearly this customer knows his shit and is doing legitimate home research (Hey, he's not buying any fucking RP and hypophosphorous). Next get yourself 800g of Potassium tertbutoxide ($140 per kg or less). Now all we need is some tBuOH, go ahead and get 4L (Not more than $75). Place the 1Kg of 3-phenylpropyl chloride, 800g Potassium tertbutoxide, and 2L of tBuOH in a 5L RBF and stir well for 24-48hours. Slight heating (not refluxing) might help, or then again it might hurt. This is all that has been tested so far. When the 24 hous is up filter off the KCl which will fall out of solution during the reaction. Take your remainder and distill off your tBuOH, vacuum distill and collect a large allylbenzene fraction (BP will depend on your vacuum of course). As soon as the allylbenzene stops coming over, shut it down. You’ll be left with a small brown-yellow mess in the flask and 645g of Allylbenzene or about an 85% yield. Oxidation Place the 645g of Allylbenzene in a 4L Rossi wine jug, along with 3L of anhydrous EtOH, 6.5g PdCl2, 20g CuCl2*2H2O, and 50ml of distilled water. By balancing a stir bar on the dimple in the middle you can get it spinning nicely. Now firmly attach an O2 input hose to the top of the jug (see other posts for details). Pressurize the device to 45psi (numerous times this has been attempted and none of them have resulted in the jug exploding) and stir vigorously for 8 hours. The cleanup for this reaction has already been covered far to extensively elsewhere (spiceboys writeup on rhodium for example), so I won’t get into it. Once you have completed your extraction and distillation you will be left with 660g of very fun to play with P2P. You can either take this and perform NaBH4 reduction or Al/Hg or H2 or whatever your little heart desires. KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-14-2000 06:36 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some additional notes; •DMSO can also be applied as a cheap and easily accessable solvent for the dehydrohalogenation. •Stirring should be vigorous, and the only as-yet tested reaction time is 48 hours (not 24 as the last paragraph of the dehydrohalogenation would suggest. Semtex Enigma Hive Bee   posted 02-14-2000 07:23 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAMN!?!?!?! This is the shit!!! Thanks!!!   PT/C for hydrogenation of this ketone? Stonium Hive Bee   posted 02-14-2000 08:13 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G'dammit, KrZ. You never cease to amaze. Whoa, Stonium Wizard X PimpBee   posted 02-14-2000 09:42 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks KrZ KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-14-2000 11:43 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You'll be even happier once SWIY tries it out. I wonder how long it will take to catch on? I can certainly see it being clamped down if word really got out. Probably not much to worry about though, people will be too concerned with scraping matchbooks or growing ephedra. Maybe the strange title will ward off the dummies and this will be strictly an intelligent bee affair.  I was wondering what would happen if someone took 7M anhydrous NH3 in MeOH, added it to the P2P from above and stirred it for 3 days, then dried the reaction mix (best choice?) cooled it down to -10C and added NaBH4 to the mix very slowly with a pressure equilibrated mechanical solid addition funnel set as-low-as-it-goes? If anyone can see any flaws with that please mention them, I'd like to try and give LT at least one benefit of the doubt dream. LaBTop PimpBee   posted 02-15-2000 10:54 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You've done it, KrZ. The easy way to P2P ! A major breakthrough!!!!! BRAVO! At last a very workable P2P synth for everybody on this board. You have the Passion, I knew it. Many thanks. Would you mind to give 10% CH3NH2 in MeOH (dried with silicagel beads, you will ever use silicagel beads after that) first a try in the NaBH4-method? The right way to make 10% CH3NH2(methylamine) is posted here, dormouse: "PCBs of the phenethylamine world, or, Clor-X  -Pharmicide" (Novel Discourse)  (Failure trying to dry aq. methylamine in methanol : But he got the solutions!) if you did not noticed yet, however you knew allready how to make 10% MeNH2/MeOH.(It's merely for the others who are also interested.) I would'nt like to see our momentarily fragile double=bond seen scattered by the use of a chem that was not used till now in that P2P-NaBH4-method. But I am very curious if that NH3 also would work so high yielding as CH3NH2, however you'r not making Meth then, but Amphethamine. If that is what you want? Would be glad to be of any help you need. Addition of the NaBH4 like you want, will be difficult, you'll see, it becomes hard as concrete from the warm MeOH/H2O vapors which will form after each addition. A spoon is wiser, the first time. Then find a gas-tight mechanism to add the NaBH4 powder (NO granules). Pressing big tablets loosely from the NaBH4 and adding by means of a PVC pipe and a 5 min. lock mechanism will proof to work better, at least in big batches. (the two digit, double bonders  ). SUCCESS! LT/ ------------------ WISDOMwillWIN DMT Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 11:39 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any dreams from the resulting P2P yet? dwarfer Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 01:28 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KUDOS to KrZ. Unquestionably superb and like you said, unlikely to be picked up on by the masses. And if ther is ANY vessell out there better than a wine bottle, it'll not be ME that mentions it. nosir: learned MY lesson.  KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 01:36 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dwarfer: A Parr Vessel is better than a wine jug, but when you post to the meth forum, simplicity is the key. Or else no one else will try it and you will have typed the damn thing for nothing. ChemHack Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 05:29 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help me understand this. 3-Phenyl-1-chloropropane AKA 3-phenylpropyl chloride I imagine C6H5-CH2-CH-CH2.Cl or is it: CH6H5-CH2-CH=CH.Cl Potassium tert-Butoxide I imagine (CH3)3-CKO So, in my imagination, the Potassium from the Potassium Butylate hooks up with the Chlorine hanging off then end there leaving the allylbenzene, KCl, and [i]tert[i]-Butyl Alcohol. So if this is the case then we need another Hydrogen to balance everything out. So would adding some acid help this along? Help me understand the mechanics. ChemHack Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 05:51 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After re-reading the procedure I notice that it said propane, not propene so no double bond. ChemHack Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 06:16 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, duh. The dehydrogenation part is where we get the double bond so we end up with allylbenzene instead of n-propylbenzene. So this would also explain where the hydrogen to complete the transformation of Potassium Butylate to tBuOH come from so no need for extra H+ floating around from some acid. Wow, the more I understand the more elegant it becomes. Nifty. This seems like mild conditions for a dehydrogenation. sweet. ChemHack Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 06:22 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I suppose that one could also do a performic on the allylbenzene. How about the infamous Ritter rxn that U.F. originally presented as applicable to not-saf only to recant later and conclude that it would not work on ring substituted allylbenzene? Wizard X PimpBee   posted 02-15-2000 06:48 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3-Phenyl-1-chloropropane AKA 3-phenylpropyl chloride is C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-Cl Potassium tert-Butoxide is (CH3)3-COK C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-Cl + (CH3)3-COK ===>> C6H5-CH2-CH=CH2 + KCl Also, C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-Cl + Alcoholic KOH ==heat=>> C6H5-CH=CH-CH3 + KCl Stonium Hive Bee   posted 02-15-2000 07:42 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ease up on the chemspeak boys, you know what that does to me. Stoni Barracuda1965 Hive Bee   posted 02-16-2000 06:43 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any thoughts regarding scalability? ------------------ 'Cuda65 Osmium PimpBee   posted 02-16-2000 07:53 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stoni, go get a cold shower Yeah sounds good. Does it produce any propenylbenzene? I once posted a fairly efficient safrole isomerisation which used KOtBu. Did you find any propenylbenzene during the distillation? Difficult to tell, I know, because the boiling points are so close together. Not that it matters, because it will most likely produce P2P during the Wacker anyway. Did you try other bases? I guess KOH/EtOH or something similar will produce the alcohol, but it could be converted to the allyl with H2SO4 or KHSO4. Anybody willing to try that out? More work, but cheaper (and otc!) chemicals. KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-16-2000 08:34 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are only ~.67 extra moles of Potassium tertbutoxide in the reaction (7.13 total), the majority of it is immediately converted to tBuOH, making it unreactive for isomerisation. The ether is prevented by steric hindrance and the low temperature of the reaction (look at most isomerisation conditions) prevented any noticeable isomerisation. You're already going to be using a specialty purchased halogen, might as well buy some KtBuOx while you're at it, makes life alot easier, and it's cheap. As for solvent I would definitely have to say DMSO would be choice, $30 a gallon and OTC. KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-16-2000 08:36 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baracuda: It is limitlessly scalable. ChemHack Hive Bee   posted 02-16-2000 10:52 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I looked back over my earlier posts and it seems like the wheels are turning a little slow but at least they are turning. ;-) quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You're already going to be using a specialty purchased halogen, might as well buy some KtBuOx while you're at it, makes life alot easier, and it's cheap." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So there is a good reason that Sodium Methoxide or Ethoxide is not used.... what is it? Osmium PimpBee   posted 02-16-2000 11:05 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bulky base, you don't want to prepare the ether. ChemHack Hive Bee   posted 02-16-2000 11:17 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I looked back over my earlier posts and it seems like the wheels are turning a little slow but at least they are turning. ;-) quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You're already going to be using a specialty purchased halogen, might as well buy some KtBuOx while you're at it, makes life alot easier, and it's cheap." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So there is a good reason that Sodium Methoxide or Ethoxide is not used.... what is it? Wizard X PimpBee   posted 02-17-2000 06:04 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At room temp 20-25 degC. Subsitution will predominate. Slow reaction. C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-Cl + EtOH/KOH == 25 degC==>> C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-OH + KCl. At reflux or in a sealed bomb. Elimination will predominate with rearrangement. C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-Cl + EtOH/KOH ===heat===>> C6H5-CH=CH-CH3 + KCl Wizard X PimpBee   posted 02-17-2000 06:48 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KrZ: Here is something else that might interest you. C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-NH2 + HCl/NaNO2 ==5 degC==>> C6H5-CH2-CH2-CH2-OH + C6H5-CH2-CH(Cl)-CH3 + C6H5-CH2-CH=CH2 blanka Hive Bee   posted 02-17-2000 07:57 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kinda late because I didn't read it because of the subject but... brilliant.. just brilliant. blanka Hive Bee   posted 02-17-2000 08:00 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the allylbenzene can cheaply and easily be made into Amphetamine with diethyl phosphoramidate dry mercury(II) nitrate 1,1-dichloroethane reflux, cool, then use sodium borohydride to convert to amphetamine bla nka Hive Bee   posted 02-18-2000 12:35 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24-48 hrs is a big range. How long did you mix to get the yields of ~645g? bla nka Hive Bee   posted 02-18-2000 12:38 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sorry, missed that thing you said about 48hrs lmnop Hive Bee   posted 02-19-2000 10:04 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KrZ I can't even begin to understand what kind of thought it takes to build a controlled molecule from available resources like that, but I know when it's time to pay homage and say thanks. It is refreshing to see someone with the courage to stand up against the formidable Partnership for a P2P-free America. methhead Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 01:31 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Krz.........Seeing that i'm not a chemist, but still somewhat intelligent, i understood most of what you had posted, but I got lost in some of the names of the things you put into the Rossi jug.......would it bee possible to rewrite this up in laymans terms real quick for those of us non-chemists to understand?....Thanx, much appreciated.... Methhead Bright Star Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 02:46 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brilliant pour NaOH on my pussy Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 04:57 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- is there a way to get to purify the allybenzen without distillation? maybe it can be used with the solvent in there. KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 06:07 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Methhead: That's just a name-brand of wine that SWIM used as a vessel on many occasions. There are better alternatives for a vessel of course, but I've been trying to keep things as simple as possible to peak intrest. SS brewing kegs are also a useful alternative, but it seems that some corrosion can occur in these. Perhaps a good cleaning method for removing any oxidation rxn stains from these vessels will be posted soon. Everyone: Thank you so much for all the praise. You inspire me to continue on and hopefully come up with some more good ideas that will help us put the responsibility for control of drug use in the hands of the user. Where it belongs. Even if methamphetamine is looked down upon, I can attest that if it is used responsibly and intelligently it can be a useful tool. Especially for ppl trying to get BCE degrees ;-) Barracuda1965 Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 07:26 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For jug wine Carlo Rossi is pretty good stuff. Of course it helps if you like wine to begin with. And it helps if you are Italian as well. Thank you. ------------------ 'Cuda65 Barracuda1965 Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 07:30 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BCE degree? Bachelors computer engineering? Do tell, brother! ------------------ 'Cuda65 KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 07:44 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- biochemical engineering Quantity Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 07:45 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just wanted to get my name on this Historic Thread! Wonderfull work KrZ. No wonder why you have been so cocky lately! Always lurking about, looking for a new micro methods! methhead Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 09:41 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Krz.......no,no,no, I know the Rossi thingy, I meant the chemical names and stuff..... Like instead of saying NAOH, say lye or something, cuz non-chemists like me, get lost in the chemical names......i got the gist of what you meant, but i'm not sure which chemicals to buy for the second part...... Stonium Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 09:54 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- methhead: http://www.chemfinder.com/ easy as pie... Stonium bla nka Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 10:37 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the tBuOH: you are talking about the tertiary-butyl alcohol correct? also I would like to know how many degrees apart did the tBuOH and allylbenzene come at and with how much vacuum? did you try the DMSO? how did you achieve vigorous stirring in the dehydrohalogenation? stirbar? can someone post the link for the O2 thing because I remember seeing it but cannot find it. pour NaOH on my pussy Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 10:40 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what was that brown yellow mess at the end and is there a way to remove it without distillation because I have no distillation equipment. chemstupid Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 11:15 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I wanted to avoid making methylamine but wanted to get meth from allylbenzene or P2P, is the only way to produce amphetamine first like Blanka said and then to make that into methamphetamine? someone please make a suggestion. I would hate to have to mess with a shitload of methylamine to have to make the P2P into meth. That shit would smell up the whole place. Also how can I get the d,l meth from P2P into just d-meth because I feel the hydrogenation meth (all d meth) is better than the racemic KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-21-2000 11:17 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You could do an Al/Hg with nitromethane. Or you could make some MeAm, it isn't that hard, and it doesn't smell if you reduce nitromethane. Bright Star Hive Bee   posted 02-22-2000 08:27 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biochemical Engineering?! *sigh* I guess thats OK. Seems like a waste of talent though.  But .. in a round' about' sort of way, this IS BCE. Wonderful work KrZ. Thought about grad school? Atl has a great BCE school .... randolph carter Hive Bee   posted 02-22-2000 10:09 AM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what are you?????? KrZ....or something........ ya let tha genie out of the bottle!!!!! now we'll have to go back to the tube..... EVERYONE'S going to bee buyin the same reagent and then...... well ya know the rest of the story..... but if'n yer interested in these type of halo reactions.... a little lower complexity khems can do similar things moderately easy.... think phenyl-2-chloropropane......(available easily....) makeable via allylchloride and some subbed benzene thingy....(no i'm not tellin...but there are refs in khem abstracts....) in da parr bomb wit alchoholic meamine and eye of newt.... 150c parr shaken 4 hrs boingo.... some sorta contrathingy..... but the dope hos love it!!!!!! dontcha just LOVE the smell of chlorine in da am........ ------------------ randolph carter... the perennial dream questor... "remember, love is real(but so are gunz and ammo...), not fade-away, so, pass some on today...'cause it's the end of the world as we know it and i feel FINE!!!..." KrZ Hive Bee   posted 02-22-2000 12:36 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BS: GaTech is my first choice. ;-) RC: I thought about that, but the whole pipe-bomb thing or Parr vessel (which SWIM doesn't have), is a big turnoff. DMSO will DEFINITELY work, it's just a solvent, no need to waste time with t-BuOH when it's more expensive. There just happened to be some laying about at the time. The only ref used as a reference was one for dehydrohalogenation of 1-chlorododecane. tullius NewBee   posted 02-22-2000 12:37 PM            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's another handy searchable chemical data base online, <http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/#Search>; You can search by formula or partial with "allow elements not specified in formula" & "allow more atoms of elements in formula than specified" options; chemical name; CAS registry number; structure; ion energetics properties; vibrational and electronic energies; & molecular weight. It also offers good cross referencing of chemicals' alternate nomenclatures & perscription drug brand names. For example methamphetamine returned 31 "other names." The database currently consists mostly of organic compounds along with a few small inorganic compounds. Species are only included in the database if they have data for them. Here's a links page of chemistry & molecular imaging software: <http://www.chemie.de/~knecht/englisch/softeng.php3> -tullius
	Powderking ( ) 04-23-00 18:12 No 107120		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			why go to that much trouble just use the right keto acid  much easier   upon mild heating keto acids lose co2  to go to you no what
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-23-00 20:08 No 107121		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			What's that called?  And what about phenyl-2-propanol and PDC/PCC?
	Powderking ( ) 04-24-00 04:15 No 107122		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			3  oxobuitoic acid   a keto acid is half a ketone and half a carboxilic acid   not telling   other  name  do some study and find out  worth the effort
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-24-00 09:16 No 107123		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			I know what a keto-acid is but I didn't know which naming convention to use to get the search results.  P2Pol is another option as well.  But I think decarboxylation in tetralin with acetone as the catalyst would be even better.  If it's even needed, does the ketone serve the purpose well enough?  What dreams have you had?
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-24-00 09:21 No 107124		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			Damnit what is the name for the 1-phenyl derivative or CAS number if you please.
	CHEMMAN (Member) 04-24-00 10:10 No 107125		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			I dont know much about this, but it appears that keto acids lose their carboxyllic acid group easily.Dont know if that compound could be gotten??Its a little like the ethyl aceto acetate thang, only that aint an acid.
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-24-00 10:15 No 107126		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			I've tried damn near every naming variation I can come up with and it's shooting blanks!
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-24-00 10:47 No 107127		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			vailable                                                                ID:                                                              006864626                                                                           CAS Number:                                                                            6864-62-6                                                                           Formula:                                                                           C10-H10-O3                  Names and Synonyms                                                                Synonyms                                                                  EINECS 229-963-7                                                                Systematic Name                                                                  Phenyl acetoacetate                  Formulas                                                                Molecular Formula                                                                  C10-H10-O3                  Locators                                                                File Locator                                                                  EINECS                  Registry Numbers                                                                CAS Registry Number                                                                  6864-62-6 Dammnit I can't find this shit anywhere.
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-24-00 10:59 No 107128		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			I had always imagined that there would someday be a supplier dumping methamphetamine with a nice little CO2H stuck on the end.... mmmm... that would be damn near pornographic...
	CHEMMAN (Member) 04-24-00 22:39 No 107129		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			Thats the ester, not the keto acid.
	Powderking ( ) 04-25-00 04:17 No 107130		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			will this help  c6h5ch2coch2cooh  lose of c02  ON HEATING   YOU NO THE REST     I HOPE
	CHEMMAN (Member) 04-25-00 06:46 No 107131		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			You must bee studying Thats the keto acid allright.
	CHEMMAN (Member) 04-25-00 06:47 No 107132		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			You must bee studying Thats the keto acid allright.
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-25-00 09:18 No 107133		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			Butanoic acid, 3-oxo-, phenylmethyl ester  [5396-89-4] Synonyms: Benzyl acetoacetate; The other CAS # listed there is an ester as well?  Powderking SHUT THE FUCK UP DICK.  You just told me what I knew before and you're not helping matters at all fucko.  We looked for the damn thing before but decided you would have to make it anyway and nothing remotely cheap turned up.  I don't want to have to oxidize and then decarboxylate.
	CHEMMAN (Member) 04-26-00 03:26 No 107134		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			Woooo there Mr Monkey. he just posted you the structure. It dont look like an ester to me. It looks like p2p with a attached carboxyl group.Now if with a little heating the attached carboxyl group leaves as a text book I have just looked at suggests it will, then it looks preety good,but I doubt that you would ever get your hands on it ,if it IS that easy.
	Powderking ( ) 04-26-00 06:03 No 107135		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			WHAT ABOUT STARTIHG WITH 2/4 DI KETO  5 PHENYL PENTANE
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-26-00 09:17 No 107136		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			quote: Thats the ester, not the keto acid. I was talking to you ChemMan, you said that and I was asking if the other CAS number refers to an ester as well because I can't find the structure listed. I KNOW what he posted but I'm saying what is the CAS number for it, IF it exsists at all.  And yes, it would decarboxylate but it doesn't matter very damned much if it doesn't exsist!  We looked for this before going with the chloro, and since the reaction conditions are so easy and well studied for it THAT's what makes it better.  Although since p2pol isn't all that hard to get it may be an even better alternative.
	Powderking ( ) 04-27-00 03:18 No 107137		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			i cant see any o ch3  in that systamatick  name look again fucko
	IronMonkey (Member) 04-27-00 20:07 No 107138		Re: The easy way to P2P , OTC. KrZ 02-15-2000	Bookmark Reply
			Fuck you worthless bitch, nice contribution you made there, oh wait, YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING.

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