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fudgemonkey (Stranger) 11-26-00 10:46 No 70860	hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	"I tried hypophos and it only gave partially reduced product" Of course it did. The hypo method is kept pretty quiet. If the right people knew I was telling this I'd have an extra hole in my head. Here's the problems with most peoples hypo cooks. 1. too much water. Water has a leveling effect on acids. Trying to use less than 95% hypo will fail, it doesnt matter how long you reflux the shit. 2. HI escape. When hypo and I2 are combined, the I2 goes right to HI. There's no condenser made that will hold all that HI at first. You have to plug the top of the condenser. After about a minute the hi is combining with the eph. and you can unplug it.



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-26-00 13:52 No 70887	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Caveman acquired a bottle of 51% it was the highest concentration offered. How do you make the % you have. Exchange resin? Have No Problems, only Solutions



terbium (Hive Bee) 11-26-00 14:39 No 70892	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Pull the water off using heat and vacuum.



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-26-00 16:16 No 70903	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	that sounds to simple, it must be the way Have No Problems, only Solutions



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-26-00 16:16 No 70904	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	that sounds to simple, it must be the way Have No Problems, only Solutions



fudgemonkey (Newbee) 11-26-00 16:17 No 70905	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	terbium gets the prize. hypo will dehydrate without vac , just by heating. The commercial hypo degrades over time, I'm not exactly sure if its due to actual acid breakdown or to absorption of water, but I was told not to use any over 6 months old. It IS, however, quite simple to synthesize hypo from more available chems. the synthesis will produce hypo around 95% strength. exchange resins are not used for dehydration (that I'm aware of anyway) they are used to.... exchange ions! how about that! I wonder how many bees here have thought about the possibility of using an exchange resins for that little hydroxy group we are all so tired of. In fact, it seems to me that povidone is a pretty interesting substance when thought about in terms of ion EXCHANGE. But thats another story. Anyway, where was I? Ohyeah, dehydration. vacuum distill or just boil off the water. You will know when it's gone. now back to the list: 3. Not enough hypo/I2. This isnt RP/I here. 1 to 1 Hypo/e and 1.5/1 I to E is a bare balls minimum. smart monkeys use 2 to 1 I to E because they know theyre gonna lose some on installation. damn, my garage is on fire again. be back later. Flaming Fudgemonkey



Worlock (Tweaker God) 11-27-00 23:46 No 71204	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	A couple of cooks in my area use it, it is excellent. I have not yet figured out what they are doing when they burn some type of fuel off of water, in bowl or tubs whether they are evaporating water from E or M or what Any ideas Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-28-00 16:12 No 71336	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	More on the other story fudgemonkey. But for now, in the past bees have said to add red P to help carry out the reduction, clear this up for me once and for all. I personaly think it was BS but? And if one was to take a 1 year old bottle of 51% and dehydrate to 90+% would he still have unactive acid or a weeker version? You might as well lay out your easy method to hypo for us chemstupid bees so we can play too. Dont forget the other story Have No Problems, only Solutions



fudgemonkey (Newbee) 11-28-00 20:23 No 71385	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Clearin up the red question. Adding red is ridiculous. Why would you want to do sumpthin like that? Hypo acid gives off a gas when its heated. The gas reduces I2 to HI. the HI binds to that nasty little HO and that ho reduces into H2O causing the leftover I to be oxidized to I2. Round and round she goes. Here's a side note. The "stage three" and "pull" in a push pull are quite easily explained. The I keeps going round in circles, doin its business and losing a few HI on every revolution by gas escape. HI is caught by that OH stickin out there, cause it likes the basics. So while the cook is incomplete, the HI and OH party like velcro. (notice the seven dwarfs always whistle while they work, and theyre singin' " HI HO, HI HO,....) anyways, as the reaction gets close to completion, there aint enough HO's to keep them HI fellas around, the ratio of HI/ OH rises exponentially, and thats your stage 3, all the HI guys that are finally free to leave. As all those I2 solids with density of 4.92g/cm2 turn to HI with density of >22.4l you have a solid with a volume of about 26 square centimeters expanding to about 1000 times its former size. That makes a violent push. Once that HI hits the water, it dissociates into aqueous H+ and I-, and it likes the agua so much that it dissociates COMPLETELY, leaving the gas phase and SHRINKING to around 1/1000th of its gaseous phase volume. (I didn't make this up, I saw it on an old bugs bunny cartoon, the one where elmer fudd played McCaffrey) So the change in volume is what causes the pull. But that's not the subject. Or is it? Oh well... What you saw wlock sounds a lot like how some of us like to make HI. you add a little water to tinc and flambe'. alc is oxidized by the flame and the I2 is left all alone, with nobody to solute. There are a few variations of this trick involving naptha, HCL, and oxidizers, and sometimes making HI instead, but it's basically an I doctor. Then again, they may have been using fire to oxidize phosphine into hypophos. I have heard of this being done, but I'm not one of the all knowing hypo from fish gas guys. I know how I2 oxidizes PH3, but as for the flaming bathtub trick, I only know the I variants. As long as we've broached the subject, I vote for more flaming reactions. And hopefully we can blow up some shit too! PHojmonc' E



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-29-00 12:58 No 71395	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Every one here that has been around for a long time raved about AG's hypo rxn. later stating adding RP is the only way to complete the rxn. it was agreed on by most or not disputed anyway. It was wrong right? I've gained from the hive 20 fold. and am here to pay back what I've taken if I can. I was just curious. I won't fuck with hypo, rather go birch if I was going somewhere. I can see you are educated in these maters, some of us are struggling to understand what we can for the sake of gaining knowledge and a better understanding of our craft. There are some of us that didn't even Finnish high school and this place is our only resource, Look at the difference in classrooms. Why are you hear. to teach I hope, maybe it is your goal to educated because I think you can bring a hell of a lot more to the hive than we would have without you. Just requesting a little respect, not much to ask I hope.. You already have mine. Have No Problems, only Solutions



fudgemonkey (Newbee) 11-30-00 04:43 No 71498	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Jacked, you have my respect. I am trying to lay this one out as simply as I can, but between gettin dropped offline every 10 minutes and being a longtime member of SMI (Spun Monkeys Indeed) it is takin awhile. Do it right, and Hypo has a lot of advantages over RP/I and birch. Hypo is easy cookin. You know when it's done, no question. Soon as it stops fuming. Hypo is FAST. Forget the 72 hour reflux, that is BS. average hypo time on a 100gram cook is 25 minutes or so. I've had them go as short as 10. Hypo can be combined with push pull real easily. attach a push pullunit to the top of your condenser to catch your I when it blows off. Hypo returns are more consistent and higher than push pull. It always gives you around 80 perceent. If you can do it with RP (and I know you can, jacked) then Hypo will be a piece of cake. In answer to your ? earlier, I consulted a resource who said that when stored for more than 6 months in aqueous solution, hypo will start degrading to phosphoric. See, pure hypo is crystals. If you ever went in and bought it directly, you would see they add the water to it right when they give it to you. Those were the good old days. slip the kid a fifty and get it dry. hypo is super water hungry. leave a bottle of H3PO2 crystals open for a few hours and you got soup. when you are running the hypo, you just throw your feed in with the acid, toss in the I and plug with your condenser. Then, while your holding the condenser on, take a bunch of duct tape and tape that mother on. Start with a rubber stopper duct taped into the top of the condenser with a 3" pieced of tape. Sometimes the stopper blows off, sometimes it dont. The flask and condenser will be full of thick smoke, and impossible to see in. Dont worry, it wont burn anything. after a minute or 2 the top of the condenser will start to clear. If your stopper didnt blow, take it off. Put it on the heat,and when the soup is done it is the same color as your rp honey. a clear yellow. condensate on flask walls will be pure water color without any yellow color. That means its done. no filtering. you need less than molar equivalent of NaOH to base it, which aint much. There is in hypo, the legend of the "perfect cook" . that means that you got the ratio perfect and it bases itself. Thats it, thats all there is to it. There are easy ways to make hypo. Fester works in a plating shop, which is a pretty fun place to work, really. 0/*9-



bizarium (Hive Bee) 11-30-00 07:56 No 71527	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	any light on making hypo out of phosphoric acid? Hats off, fudgemonkey



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-01-00 06:31 No 71693	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	This is the very first time anyone has layed a method out that sounds right to me. Yeah I've seen the ones on rodiums. Nothing but figures, No visual basics or a feel of success, I can see you've been into the rxn by the way you've layed it out. I like the yield here coupled with rxn times makes me a new thing to learn. Thanks for the positive posting on this. You are the chosen one. Have No Problems, only Solutions



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-01-00 16:00 No 71766	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Citation Exchange resin has been talked about in the past, but so was adding RP to hypo, It's worth a search though. Have No Problems, only Solutions



zooligan (Hive Addict) 12-02-00 14:19 No 71881	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: any light on making hypo http://rhodium.lycaeum.org/chemistry/hypophos.txt ------------------------------------------------------------ Preparation of Hypophosphorous Acid: To a stirred solution of 717.8 g of a 32% hydrochloric acid solution in a 3-necked 2 liter flask was added 615.42 g of powdered sodium hypophosphite. The temperature of the solution rose about 2° C. Water was removed from the stirred reaction mixture by reduced pressure distillation at a temperature of about 55°±7° C. at a pressure of 44 to 72 mm Hg until a hypophosphorous acid concentration of about 80 wt %. After cooling to room temperature, sodium chloride that had precipitated was filtered from the reaction mixture. The filter cake was washed twice with 32 wt % hydrochloric acid. The recovered product contained 355.7 g of hypophosphorous acid. The analysis showed that the product contained 0.9 wt % sodium, 3.2 wt % chloride, and 80.96 wt % hypophosphorous acid. Chloride ion was removed from hypophosphorous acid using an ion-exchange column (height 221/4", diameter 11/8"). The column was packed with Rohm and Haas Resin IRA-410 in the chloride form and was regenerated using 5% NaOH. The results from using this column at different H3 PO2 and Cl- concentrations are shown below. ------------------------------------------------------------ People have supposedly gotten away with skipping the chloride removal. The idea, according to AG, was that a combo reduction of RP/hypo got around the "waxing" problem that happens sometimes if your eph or rp isn't completely clean. There is some kind of synergystic efffect going on that assures reduction when using both. z



thissuks (Stranger) 12-02-00 15:07 No 71891	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	The pure acid cannot be isolated merely by evaporating the water, however, because of the easy oxidation of the hypophosphorous acid to phosphoric acids (and elemental phosphorus) and its disproportionation to phosphine and phosphorous acid. The pure acid can be obtained by extraction of its aqueous solution by diethyl ether, (C2H5)2O. Pure hypophosphorous acid forms white crystals



fudgemonkey (Newbee) 12-02-00 19:31 No 71921	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: The pure acid cannot be isolated merely by evaporating the water, This I believe to be quite true. When you boil off the water you get to a point where very little boiling is going on and the temp just shoots right up. usually I stop about 15c after the water started boiling. I never done no gravimetrics on it but I been told that thats 95% range. Using RP is just plain stupid when you got hypo. The advantage of hypo is no filtering, do it yourself precursors, no chance of phosfire, and the color change that says DING-DONE.Throw RP in there and you've lose all the advantages in trade for pentoxides and crappy yields. And fudge all that cation exchange resin. just add sulfuric and filter after 15 minutes. Buncha pussies using that hcl vacuum pump exchange resin crap. Course, the way I do it theres no problem with cl^{-, but even if you had them, you don't need a damn $3000 resin column. Just boiling the shit will get rid of the chlorine. Hell, even leaving it sit open for a while will do. Chlorine reacts with ephedrine in a bad way, but small amounts are not gonna hurt anything besides your yield a little (using tapwater instead of DI are we?) This is really a simple operation. The whole cook from buying the precursors to filling the bag can be done in a day. Here's a little trick that I just remembered (the ol memory aint that great since I became president..) CHARMIN FILTRATION: Now I know youve heard 500 times how to cure the pills that ail you, and I dont wanna take nothin away from those ozzies, but heres the best way to deal with ANY pill and get about 90% on the return. Cut the bottom off a two liter pepsi bottle (you dont wanna get busted with Coke, do ya?) and take off the cap ... oh yeah, drink the pepsi before cutting. Then take CHARMIN TOILET TISSUE, unscented, no lanolin, and rip off 4 or 5 squares. wad the tissue up loosely and stuff it into the neck of the bottle. Then pull the top and bottom layers back out like 1 cm . Now using actifed type pills , drop 500 of them into a HEET bottle and shake em up. Let them sit for 10 minutes like that and pour the liquid off into the filter. What? Bullshit? Try it. Monkey no lie, monkey get high. dry out the extract in a microwave (yes it'll explode, and it will give you cancer and kill your poodle too). use the LOW or MED power setting and the whole bottle's worth will be gone in five minutes. Monkey's did this in the teachers lounge when they had it to themselves for only 30 minutes, so fast was important. 500 X 60mg is 30 grams. you can weigh the extract, but I garuntee it will be within 2 grams of thirty. I know you think it's not gonna work, but TRY IT. It wont give you 100% PURE pphedrine, you aint gettin it now either. DO NOT USE SUBSTITUTES FOR CHARMIN, THEY DONT WORK.well OK there IS one sub and that is JOB SQUAD PAPER TOWELS. That's how you already had your Iodine and hypo ready and dont play with needles, kids. I'm talkin acid here. This aint just for hypo neither. it is for RP too. The yield you get will be better than it was when you poured a gallon of paint thinner on the pills and prayed. I got 80's all the time, and 70's with the red. Almost forgot. DONT WEIGH HYPO!! when I say 1/1 ratio that means 1 ML to a gram. Hypo is a little denser than that stuff ya drink, except that ozzie guy with the shotgun.who knows bout his favorite drink.Dont fuck up on this or you'll be whinin about the crappy dope ya just made.It will change color when its done. If your shit aint changin dont stop cookin. I know you aint gonna listen to me about the charmin cause its too easy. JUST TRY IT ONCE! But dont do it yet cause I'm gonna tell the secret behind COLEMANS, ALUMINUM BALL GASSING, and kerplunking (thanks warlok, I'm stealin the name but I'm droppin the perox). When you add them all up you have the 60 minute PILLS TO THRILLS cook. I know you all gotta wonder why everybody keeps talking about aluminum foil and gassing, and about colemans fuel or naptha, well I'm gonna tell ya the story behind that shit. When I get done monkeyin around placebo's gonna be lookin for the OZ version of charmin and that moderator guy is gonna start rollin his balls, the tinfoil ones I mean. Monkey do. Do you monkey too?}



fudgemonkey (Newbee) 12-02-00 19:37 No 71923	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: and its disproportionation to phosphine and phosphorous acid. Son of a bitch, almost left the kiddies alone with matches. No this is REAL important. When it starts stinkin then TAKE IT OFF THE STOVE. But its a good thing for this diportatin or the dope couldnt get made.



thissuks (Stranger) 12-02-00 19:52 No 71925	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	where is the simple synth for hypo acid?????? and easy to get chems.thissuks out of searches



thissuks (Stranger) 12-03-00 05:50 No 71939	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: I'm gonna tell the secret behind COLEMANS, ALUMINUM BALL GASSING, and kerplunking (thanks warlok, I'm stealin the name but I'm droppin the perox). When you add them all up you have the 60 minute PILLS TO THRILLS cook. I know you all gotta wonder why everybody keeps talking about aluminum foil and gassing, and about colemans fuel or naptha, well I'm gonna tell ya the story behind that shit. When I get done monkeyin around placebo's gonna be lookin for the OZ version of charmin and that moderator guy is gonna start rollin his balls, the tinfoil ones I mean. Im waiting over here just let me know when school starts.



improv_chem (Hive Bee) 12-03-00 05:58 No 71941	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Keep the good shit going!!! I'm gonna cut and past this entire thread for future knowledge. Someday it might be very useful. you guys fucking rock. It's all just a dream, I hope i don't wake up because of that incessent buzzing sound...



Worlock (Tweaker God) 12-03-00 07:51 No 71971	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	And so , now that we are all whipped up into a feeding frenzy, slobbering and drooling for bits and pieces of information. Never let it be said that the hypo is not a superior product to RP produced. Because hypo is by far a higher quality product, to get the RP to that phase requires steaming , and recrystalising. Sodium hypophosphite makes the hypo, and who can make hypo from from nasty ole RP?? Hola! Como esta. Si, muy bueno hypo! Comprehendo gringos Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html



whatsupium (Hive Addict) 12-06-00 06:17 No 72713	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	This might be of use to those who like myself, have on occasion, a memory of under reduced ca-ca. You see, I am the self proclaimed hypo-no-go master. I (using hypo) have never had a decent rxn, and I was doin notes, weights, amts. hell I was about to pour my hypo onto... sorry... Well, birch had, in the beginning, a bit of adjustment to get it right. I was pissed about some shit that was under-cooked meanwhile when it occurs to me that i didn't need the full electron action of a cook done right, just a "half" of the rxn would (might) make the shit O.K. hmmm? Knowing full well my abilities w/hypo, I went about doing a hypo as described ala rhodium's POSITIVE what amount of redox would take place, and fuckin' wound up with some of the best damn hootie-hoo chile... by all accounts I am still suprised, I have done this 3 different times, and aside from two so-so returns the shit was great. NOW I also tried doing a double redox, (hypo 1 time, then hypo again,) and it failed MISERABLY. Otherwise tho, ah well... there is a young poon in the snare, gotta go... why is 'up' in that particular direction anyway???



Mystic (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 13:32 No 72852	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	So fudge, Whens the complete writeup gonna be finished It's all relative my dear Watson...



fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 17:53 No 72943	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	It's almost heRE! Every time I'm here, I start the post and the lights go out. Coincidence or CONSPIRACY??? Lets see if I can find it now,... Damn, I THOUGHT this went up already..??? anyway, it all fits together in a nice tight package. Aluminum foil gassing: Yes, it DOES create H2 as a main product, and hcl as the side project. That is critical for how it is to be used. The Secret of Naptha: Naptha is used for three reasons (it IS the second most popular meth lab chem, denatured alc is #1) 1.Naptha is sourced so many places, tracing is imposslbe. Thats important when you need 400 gallons per weeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeek. Sorry, fmonky is past his bedtime.. 2. Naptha has low volatiles, which means LESS SMAIL! 3. NAPTHA ABSORBS MUCHLESS DOPE THAN OTHERS. iLL GET BACK TO THIS, DSN SAY GBYE T MONKEY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 18:07 No 72945	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	wELL, i'LL BE DAMNED, I can type in my sleep! This ever happen to anybody else here? What a weird deal. Well I'll continue quickly. solubility: The low solubility of meth in naptha is DESIREABLE here. Think about it, you dont want the shit to stay in your np! iN FACT IF YOU LEAVE IT DISSOLVED , the goods will float to the top, and layer there. THATS WHERE THE FOIL/HCL METHOD COMES INTO IT'S OWN!! foil GASSERS ARENT MEANT TO HAVE THEIR OIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIO TIPS SUBMERGED, YOU USE THE FORCE OF THE h2 TO PROPEL THE GAS AT THE SURFACE OF THE COLEMANS. tHIS has several advantages I;m gonna have to finish later. fm



SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 22:41 No 73008	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	in reply to: _________________________________________ The Secret of Naptha _________________________________________ Would you please explain for all the non-USA residents exactly what is this naptha/Colemans stuff we hear so much about? You see, the word naptha can mean any of many different weights of petroleum distillates, from real heavy shit, down to real clear light petoleum ether type stuff. The brand name Colemans fuel aint sold in SWIMs neck of the planet, so please explain, is it very light pet ether (UN 1271) type stuff? D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous)



honest (Stranger) 12-07-00 09:18 No 73224	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Naptha is used in the aviation industry they use it to calibrate piston engine fuel injection systems.



serodronin (Hive Bee) 12-07-00 12:10 No 73256	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	when people in the US refer to naptha, they usually mean petroleum ether. Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted all the rest follows.



fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-07-00 17:57 No 73334	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	COLEMAN FUEL and LIGHTER FLUID (Ronsonal and Zippo) consist of naphtha with various additives to control smell and appearance. They are preferred by many jugglers because they are not as smoky or as smelly as kerosene, and they light quickly. But naphtha is much more volatile than kerosene -- that is, it is more likely to explode or get out of control than kerosene. You cannot dip blown-out but still smoldering torches into naphtha because that will instantly set the contents of your fuel jar on fire. Even approaching your fuel while holding smoldering torches can cause the fuel to explode. You must completely extinguish all smoldering and wait at least thirty seconds before recharging your torches when using naphtha. Naphtha is as toxic as the worst of kerosenes. Oh yeah, never juggle in a hotel room! big trouble there.



zooligan (Hive Addict) 12-08-00 00:05 No 73400	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: where is the simple synth for hypo acid?????? and easy to get chems.thissuks out of searches Are you fucking retarded? I just gave it to you. Scroll up, dumb shit. If that's not easy enough for you, you need to find a new hobby.



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-08-00 02:18 No 73422	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	It burns at 14% O2, it takes 16% to sustain life It is used in flame safty lamps for detecting bad air in caves. Old time navy fire fighting gear as well. Signature (up to 100 characters). You may use markup with the exception of the image tag:



Nakeddanzer (Stranger) 12-08-00 11:33 No 73565	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	phosphorous acid or is it phophoric acid ... SWIM looked under the cabinet at work and saw a 4L glass bottle or 85% .. is this able to be distilled?



SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 12-08-00 18:53 No 73622	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	in reply to: _________________________________________________ as the reaction gets close to completion, there aint enough HO's to keep them HI fellas around, the ratio of HI/ OH rises exponentially, and thats your stage 3, all the HI guys that are finally free to leave. _________________________________________________ So, does this mean that it would bee impossible to "over-reduce" the pfed, and therefore we should just keep on increasing rxn times till we get 92% molar yeilds? D.E.A (Drug Enthusiasts Anonymous)



fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-08-00 20:37 No 73651	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: So, does this mean that it would bee impossible to "over-reduce" the pfed, and therefore we should just keep on increasing rxn times till we get 92% molar yeilds? obviously not, as Pfed IS often reduced during RP/I, and sometimes during Hypo as well. Now bear with me here, cause fudgemonkey learned his chem by watching reruns of Bill Nye, Science Guy for hours and days on end, But as I understand it: Overreduction Is the result of overly harsh reaction conditions. When I said the HI was free to leave, I didnt mean it HAD to go. If the temp is high enough, and the PH LOW enough, then the HI will sometimes take a ringside seat, reducing the phenol ring structure and producing an irritant molecule, or cleaving the alkyl chain to produce methylamine/phenylpropanone. this can also occur when salting out your product, if you go to low on the PH. There IS a basis for increased reaction times, and it has to do with the fact that when you increase the water content, you are pushing your equilibrium towards the left, and when you get closer to equilibrium, your reaction slows down, HI being produced less frequently, with more heat required to push --->. Water is known as the great leveler because of its effect on PH. a reaction which is flooded with water will still occur, but at a reduced rate. There are still some diehards running week long refluxes, but mostly it's just us hyperkids now. We gotta have everything now, especially our crank. In fact, I'm told that the original hypo run was a 3 day reflux with the 51%, followed by something called "cooldown". I'll be damned if I know about that, except its a 2 day thing. Thats 5 days and you still got a freebase....yawn. Now on with the old business. FM left the solvents on the warmer, which made for a quick nap and some weird dreams about Annette Funicello (I know I'm not the only one.. ) and that fine-ass chimpette on Planet Of the Apes (not Roddy, the chick-chimp). But I'se back. about naptha: Its really a poor solvent for M. That is why you have to heat it when doing your AB. The M-oil wants to come to the top, being lighter, and your gonna let it. When fresh from the can, Colemans appears blue. As it becomes saturated with M, the refraction changes and it then takes on a green tint. With a little practice you can estimate the amount of speed in it just by the color. Another trick is to look at the top of the fuel. You will see a thick line which gets thicker as the dope is absorbed. Old timers will tell you that line IS the dope. That is NOT TECHNICALLY CORRECT, it's just refraction, but you CAN treat it like the truth, in practice. You begin to recognize the look of saturated fuel, and monkeys ran outta PH paper in the 80's, but we can still observe the obvious. As you add the lye, you will begin to see thousands of tiny bubbles eluting from the water layer. That is a sign that there's still speed down there. Swirling the container is helpful, but it takes TIME for your stuff to get into the fuel, no way around that. So you separated your stuff out, your ready to gas that fuel and do a line... STOP! let that fuel cool down. As it does, the saturation point drops and the methoil will start trying to break out at the top. give it 15 or 20 minutes to cool. Bad monkeys with no patience stuck it in the freezer, to unfortunate result, so HAVE PATIENCE grasshopper. Now its on to the gassing. Salt/sufuric works, but NOT WITH COLEMANS! the colemans has a bad habit of holding on to that strong gas long enough for it to burn your meth (the ring reduction we were talking about). Keep at it and instead of nice white powder you have gummy, acrid, gooey speedballs. The foil gas, however, is dilute. Spraying it about 1cm above the surface allows the excess gas to escape. This leaves a nice white layer of precipitate, which thickens, as the solution below releases more freebase, till it is no longer supported by the viscosity. At a certain point you will see this layer drop to the bottom, a signal to filter. Real slingers dont mess with drying salts. They taint your gas, and they add another element to your setup, which is nogood. Travel light, make sure it all fits in a suitcase. Anyway, to keep moisture out of the dope, use a bugsprayer for gassing, and get about 25 feet of tubing, which comes off the spray wand. Coil this tubing loosely around your shower curtain rod, and that will condense the moisture. Be sure to have at LEAST 2 feet of hang in your coils. When you look at the bugsprayer, there are two openings. The top has the plunger in it, and the side has the hose. The hose opening is just right for dropping your balls in (fudgemonkey not responsible for injury if people take THAT suggestion wrong). The hose plugs in quick, then you can take your time screwing the collet down because it's SEALED, and not dropping the ph of your eyes and lungs. Buy LOTS of sprayers, they are useful for all kinds of stuff!And dont bother trying to get the "best" one, the ten dollar jobs sometimes outlast the fifty buck "pro" models. The replacement seal kits cost about what the sprayer does, so forget 'em. when the seal in the plunger goes, glue that sucker closed! When the spray handle seals go, remove the handle! Modify that sumbitch! Using colemans will leave impurities in your GO, but they are TASTY! In this town there's a premium on Chunky Monkey. I'm sure I left a few things out here, so feel free to tear into this. The Ideas here aren't mine, but the guy who is credited with them is no dummy. This system WORKS!! fudgemonkey fudgemonkey funky fudgemonkey junky, fudgemonkey funky Beastie Boys, circa 1988



aquagirl (Hive Bee / Eraser) 12-10-00 06:04 No 73969	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Referring to: Every one here that has been around for a long time raved about AG's hypo rxn. later stating adding RP is the only way to complete the rxn. it was agreed on by most or not disputed anyway. It was wrong right? Didn't seem wrong. Administration with MicroFineII confirmed legitimacy :) I wasn't seeking to define a method. I had lost all chems and equip to the NarcoSwine. The Na-hypo -> hypo-acid wasn't worked out yet. MatchbookP purification was supposedly done in very quick and ways that left it a crapshot as to wether it'd blow or not. When it did fire, oft the product was sadly inferior (although my guess is that the lifetime match scrapers even realized it, which would account for the success stories). I took what was onhand, and as any good desparate tweaker would- threw it all together- and the success was repeatable and fairly simple as an OTC method. We were trying to support the hobby of 2 people using a few pieces of _tiny_ (looked like novelty pieces) glassware- not to make batches for sale. (we were still under surveillance until the day we left town) If my experiments were presented as a tried and true method for batch synths- I apologise. They were novel forays into methodologies used to get a product under the most unfavorable conditions imaginable. She Who Dances With Hampsters



bizarium (Hive Bee) 12-10-00 09:03 No 73999	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	glad you're back, if you are AG



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-10-00 18:43 No 74136	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	Welcome back AG ok, now WTF is this so post to mean Referring to: (although my guess is that the lifetime match scrapers even realized it, which would account for the success stories). I don't think so. The hypo method you put out was cut & dry. I never got shit back but unreacted E But I never assumed that's what you thought was product. I took it with a grain of salt and chalked it up to operator error ONE more thing Don't be so quick in knocking MBRP or the ones who have mastered the RXN using it just because you haven't been able to. Hows the old man doing anyway. Hope everything is going ok for yall. Signature (up to 100 characters). You may use markup with the exception of the image tag:



aquagirl (Hive Bee / Eraser) 12-11-00 00:44 No 74210	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	ooops- I wrote that wrong. I meant that most the match scrapers didn't realize the inferiority of their dope. We both know that the folks just scraping the p4 off the books and blowing it aren't making anything to write home about- but most don't have much of a basis for comparison. I've had access to a lot of different street dope since my departure- and what most these dirt cooks think is "gradeA" wouldn't pass for a decongestant for most of us. Yeah- it does work. we both know that now- but we both did a fuckload of work to figger it out, and we know it doesnt come easy. We've pretty much been on the same page since the beginning of our experiments- we just have differnt views on whether one should spend that much time fucking with it. We've both gotten a lot of flack from people who doubt our skills. Even you didn't like my explanations since the lack of absolute specifics made you think it was made-up. Being a classically trained biologist- I don't think that specifics are a key issue in these ghettoRxns- too many variables overall that little specifics don't make a differnce. I'm pretty sure that most of us who have overcome great obstacles to be successful have come to the conclusion that observation and experience is the key factor- not how many mls of somethng is used specifically at that time. Actually I picked that up from Worlock. His writeup on rxns without pH papers or something. I quit relying on #'s and started relying on my senses. then I obtained the Power of the Gods ;) It's cool man- I fully trust that you make rockin' dope. No doubts here. You put in the legwork and logged the hours. Far more is gained by doing than by the snobs who want to debate the feasability of a method. You've always gotten a bit defensive of your methods and skills- as have I. Don't let the turkeys get you down man- they can debate the academics all they want and decide if what we're doing MIGHT work or might have worked- we're busy doing. We've all learned that things that shouldnt work in theory have been quite useful- to the people who've been doing it for 300 years. The folks who don't give a fuck about making a name for themselves on the internet- they know. Took me a long time to trust in myself. I did a lot of hard work, paid a lot of dues, and lost a lot in real life (my absence was a result of almost losing an arm and an extended fight. lost my home. lost part of my family. near lost my freedom and my life.... now know I can't be beaten. I'll win and overcome at any cost and in the face of any adversity from Jurassic Park- "the problem here is that you didn't earn the knowledge. you take no responsibility. you stood on the shoulders of geniuses and just took the next step" I earned my skills the hard way- as did you. As did many others here. Yeah, we might have done things the hard way- but mistakes are the only way to learn. We can make one of the most highly prized substances in existance from materials obtained from any gas station at 3am. We know solvents like the back of our hand. We can troubleshoot. We have the ability to refine a technique. We're not following a recipe. We've done honor to POPeyes memory I earned my place. You earned yours. Take pride in the fact that people have the time to tell you it can't be done when you're doing it- they obviously arent doing if they have the time to critique you. I'm OK- You're OK. An Older, Wiser, More Confident AG.... with a few more battlescars.... just badges of Honor my friends... I owe people some emails and explanations. Will write later. Lost a bunch of typing when the old man crashed the computer looking at porn ;) don't have time to retype. Have a new bottle of Astroglide I have to tend to ;) She Who Dances With Hampsters



aquagirl (Hive Bee / Eraser) 12-11-00 00:49 No 74212	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	sorry I threw you with the new personality Bizarium- surely my ability to piss off Jacked without meaning to do anything, and the resulting novel to explain it proves it's me She Who Dances With Hampsters



placebo (irritable and cranky) 12-11-00 21:18 No 74479	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	I've really missed your writings AG. Beautiful! Let's fuck!



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-13-00 04:37 No 74870	Re: hypo acid.... the real deal.	Reply
	I wasn't pissed off AG, You should be able to tell the difference. The novel you wrote confirms who you are alright. I don't think you made a mistake the first time you replied. And I would have you fishing on my boat anytime. Point is. Some of us with MB grade meth as you indicate it being so insuperior to your high grade stuff should not be compared to street grade or the stuff you ended up with. After recrystallizing we get Low grade shifty crystals that are damn near transparent that fool everyone around here anyway. I do take offence easily, I have no formal education as your self and every step we have made together has been a struggle to complete. This Leds to an enfiladed ego to some, pride to most Its pride in my accomplishments even when there are small and insugnifent to you they are major to me. I know everyone who might be struggling to do something that seems easy to others know what I'm talking about. I don't expect you to. one last thing, Would you like a sample of the shit that does work for comparison to the stuff that does not PM me and I will show you the light you looked for but never found. Signature (up to 100 characters). You may use markup with the exception of the image tag:

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