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PlastyK (Stranger) 07-22-01 21:24 No 198232	Re: Ive done "ice" be4 and it is different from C.Meth	Bookmark Reply
	For what AFOAF told me the main problem with the Methylamniorex synth is that it uses Bromocyanide or something and thats some bad ass shit.



terbium (Hive Addict) 07-22-01 23:13 No 198245	Re: Worlock-from Methhead-"ICE" synthesis	Bookmark Reply
	Hey Worlock...Check this out....from Methhead (he sends his regards)... . . . 1/2 gallon PURE ammonia, bought off the store shelf pure meaning no fragrants or etcetera.... . 1/2 gallon Gun Bluing...... In grade school we used to do this using Mrs. Stewart's Liquid Laundry Bluing instead of gun bluing. http://www.mrsstewart.com/pages/msbframe.htm http://www.crystalgrowing.com/recipes/blueing/blueing.htm Remember kiddies, when doing this, get an adult to help.



Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-22-01 23:30 No 198249	Re: Ive done "ice" be4 and it is different from C.Meth	Bookmark Reply
	Ive done both what was told by my dealer "Ice" and "C. Meth" before... there is major differences, Ice is soooo much stronger and lasts sooo much longer....and whoever posted that picture hehe, i get rox that are about 1/2 inch long. very nice shit, but i SERIOUSLY doubt that making it is that easy.... It is easier than believing your dealer. He sells bridges too doesn't he. You keep up the hard work and you will own one of those bridges soon. Or at least would have payed enough to own one. Paid in Full



Jayke9 (Stranger) 07-23-01 11:14 No 198376	Re: Ive done "ice" be4 and it is different from C.Meth	Bookmark Reply
	haha, but honestly the diff of feeling between the two is too strong to just be higher yeilds of C.Meth it be like the C.Meth he was giving me is 1% and the Ice would be like 400% its just way too big of a diff. to be the same drug! As to the original post, has anyone done this and smoked/snorted/etc. it??? does it actually turn out to be true that making Ice is that simple???



zooligan (Hive Addict) 07-23-01 11:37 No 198383	Re: Worlock-from Methhead-"ICE" synthesis	Bookmark Reply
	Here's you ice. aint nothing but recrystalized meth, Depends where you are. The Asian (Thailand) ice you can sometimes get in Hawaii or on the West coast is 4-Methylaminorex. The following is a FAQ for this compound, including a (real) synth, from http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/eleusis/aminorex.html. I'd like someone to complete both this synth and the Ammonia/Gun Bluing/Coal synth, and compare and contrast the end products here on the Crystal Meth board . Have fun. z The 4-Methylaminorex pseudo-FAQ (beta) Due to strangely increased demand for 4-Methylaminorex "recipes" that I have received by mail, I decided to compile a short document with the cognate preparation of this interesting compound. This may become a full-fledged FAQ in the future, depending on user response and outside input donated where this will undoubtedly be deficient. STANDARD DISCLAIMER This is for informational purposes only. It is being produced in order to illustrate the novel structure and effects of the aryl-oxazolines. Use this information at your own risk, I cannot be held responsible for what you do with it, etc... and so on. Q1. What is Ice? A1. Ice is a norepinephrine potentiator (neuromodulator class). It has a characteristic look and feel, like white opaque ice, hence the name. Ice is currently a Schedule I drug as designated by the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) which means it is felt to have NO medical use whatsoever. It was originally researched for appetite suppressant ability, but never pursued, probably because it's too much fun. Ice is also synonymous with "U4Euh". Q2. Can Ice/U4Euh be made from amphetamine/methamphetamine? A2. It is technically possible, but requires some backwards motions to get back to a sec. alcohol. At least one individual, in a personal communication to me, indicated that "they knew of someone who could convert crank [methamphetamine] into ice by washing it with something". This is not possible and more than likely is just a street name for clean crank (meth). Q3. What kind of chemical is it? A3. In drug parlance, which is notoriously Non-IUPAC compliant, Ice is synonymous with "Euphoria" (U4Euh), 4-Methylaminorex, or, chemically speaking: dl-cis-2-amino-4-methyl-5-phenyl-2-oxazoline. This is a tongue twister of a name, so I will explain and illustrate it with a cheap floozie of an ascii drawing. //\ // \____ _____ ____CH3 \| \|\| \| \| \| \|\| \| \| \\ / O N \\/ \ // \// \| N / \ H H The numbering starts at the heterocyclic Oxygen and goes counter-clockwise. So the amine is at the 2 position, the methyl is at the 4 position, a phenyl ring is tacked on at the 5 position. Also, the 2-oxazoline part is often merely called oxazoline, as the double bond to the heterocyclic Nitrogen is implied. It is interesting to note that all of the stereoisomers of 4-MAR are centrally active {1} (ie - it is not stereospecific in action). Q4. What does Ice/U4Euh do? A4. The document at Hyperreal.com describing the effects of Euphoria would be a good place to start. Anecdotally, it is said to help concentration and thinking - a sort of "make-you-smarter" drug, with a minor speed-like component to it. Time of action is around 4-6 hours (some say 14-16). Dosage varies but a good start is 20mg for a 150lb individual. It is smoked as the free base or the hydrochloride salt - both have relatively low melting points. Cognate Preparation of 4-Methylaminorex Reagents Phenylpropanolamine HCl Methanol Cyanogen Bromide Sodium Acetate Sodium Carbonate Water Benzene (or similar) Ether Extraction of Phenylpropanolamine from OTC preparations Extract Phenylpropanolamine HCl (PPA) from OTC diet pills by crushing and dissolving in 5mL ethanol and 5mL distilled water per gram of PPA. Decant solution onto the Buchner funnel and repeat with 2 more volumes of solvent. Use ethanol/water instead of just water because it has less tendency to form a colloid with any cellulosic binders present which would otherwise severely clog the filter paper. Distill off most of the solvent then add cold water to dissolve all of the PPA solids. Basify to approximately pH 9 with 10% Sodium Carbonate or Sodium Hydroxide solution. Extract out PPA base using 3 volumes of ether of approximately 1/3 the volume of water. The ethanol will follow into the ether as well, but very little of the formed salt will. Distill off ether/ethanol for later recovery of the solvents and weigh the amount of solid PPA base, mp 101C. The amount you process here determines, obviously, the amounts of everything else to use later on. Forming the Oxazoline Ring The ideal ratio of all the reagents is as follows {2}: 1.0 Mole Phenylpropanolamine (MW: 151.2) 1.1 Moles Cyanogen Bromide (MW: 105.93) 3.0 Moles of Sodium Acetate (MW: 82.04) The Sodium Acetate may be prepared by carefully adding an equinormal amount of Sodium Hydroxide to glacial Acetic Acid and drying the resultant salt at 120C for 15 minutes. The preparation of Cyanogen Bromide is covered in another document of mine. This compound should only be prepared in an area of adequate ventillation. A full covering fume hood is ideal (geez - make one, I did) or outside with the wind blowing away from you. Cyanogen Bromide acts on cytochrome oxidase just like any other cyanide and can kill you quite effectively and quickly. Also, it has been known to decompose spontaneously when impure. Dissolve 15g (.142M) of Cyanogen Bromide in 50mL of Methanol at 0C. Dissolve 19.5g (.129M) of Phenylpropanolamine and 31.8g (.387M) of Sodium Acetate in 300mL of Methanol at 0°C. Place this in a round bottom flask equipped with a stirrer magnet and addition funnel. Add the Cyanogen Bromide solution to the flask though the addition funnel over a period of 15 minutes with stirring. React for an additional 45 minutes at 0°C. Evaporate solvents at reduced pressure and with gentle water bath heat (50C tops) - do not attempt to recover! Dissolve the oily residue in water and then add saturated Sodium Carbonate solution until a white solid precipitates. Filter this cake of white solid on the Buchner, then wash twice with ice cold water and dry in a vacuum dessicator. Recrystallize the crude dried product from Benzene to yield ~63%. OPTIONAL - Form the hydrochloride salt by bubbling HCl gas though the Benzene until white crystals fall out or shaking with 5% HCl and evaporating the water off. References Journal of Forensic Sciences, v34, #4, 1989, "The Stereoisomers of 4-Methylaminorex", pp 963-979, Klein, Sperling, Cooper & Kram Journal of Medicine Chemistry, v6, 1963, "2-Amino-5-Aryl-2-Oxazolines. Potent New Anorectic Agents", pp 266-272, Poos, Carson, Rosenau, Roszkowski, Kelley & McGowin Euphoria Document @ http://hyperreal.com/drugs/ "And if we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto, then we'll just be bogus too!"



Jayke9 (Stranger) 07-23-01 14:11 No 198418	Re: Worlock-from Methhead-"ICE" synthesis	Bookmark Reply
	Yes, someone please make Methylaminorex(ICE), and the other shit ?ICE? p.s. You can get Methylaminorex here in Arizona..HEHE p.s.s. You forgot the article on making Cyanogen Bromide... NOTE its really unstable but...here it is: Production of Cyanogen Bromide by Eleusis Hey, in case you are still with us after trying out all my other fun-at-home projects, perhaps you feel ready to embrace real danger? How about making your own Cyanogen Bromide, which is about as fun-loving as a compound can get! You have immense toxicity in combination with that all-around party favorite - instability! Kids, don't try this at home. CAUTION This stuff is deadly toxic and unstable. It should only be prepared immediately before use (no storage whatsoever). Perform this reaction outside on a windy day, or with a good fume hood (no, I don't mean the fan over the stove). Cyanogen Bromide has been known to decompose explosively on standing... you have been warned. The general reaction, in which much substitution of compounds may take place, is below: NaCN + Br2 BrCN + NaBr For the first half of the reaction, assemble a ground glass joint setup consisting of a 500mL round bottom flask, a claisen adapter, an addition funnel in the sidearm of the adapter, and a thermometer down the center. Place this in an ice/water bath on a magnetic stirrer. Add 50g of elemental Bromine to the flask, followed by 5mL of water and a stirrer magnet. Start stirrer, and reassemble the thermometer adapter such that the thermometer will read the liquid temperature. Dissolve 17g of Sodium Cyanide in 120mL of warm water and add this gradually to the flask through the addition funnel, taking care that the reaction temperature does not exceed 25-30C. The time it takes to add the NaCN solution is quite variable, but the total reaction time should be around 2 hours. At the the end of this time, remove the claisen adapter and replace with a 3-way distilling adapter to which a 500mL round bottom flask is connected directly to the outlet tube. Insert the thermometer in conventional manner (to read the vapor temperature) and distill off the BrCN using a water or steam bath. It should boil at 60-62C. Clean off all of the glassware, then add 10g of anhydrous Calcium Chloride to the receiver flask and reassemble the same setup as previously. Redistill the crude BrCN from the CaCl2 as before. Once all has been collected over the range of 60-62C, melt the solid in the receiver by heating to 51C (note the closeness between melting and boiling!) and pour into a pre-weighed glass bottle. The yield should be 23-28g, or approximately 73-85% of the theoretical. If it will not be used immediately, it may be stored in the freezer, but should be used as soon as possible.



goiterjoe (Hive Bee) 07-23-01 20:25 No 198496	Re: Worlock-from Methhead-"ICE" synthesis	Bookmark Reply
	don't any of you remember reading that bullshit gun blue/ammonia recipe from the original anarchist cookbook? I used to know some Angels back in my hometown that used to tell a story that kind of went along with this. They said that way back in the day they used to make runs up to philly to get P2P, and they would bring the oil back in a can of gun blue that they kept along with their handgun. Maybe this was a popular method of transporting P2P back in the day, and that is how the rumor got started. If pacman influenced us, we'd glide around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music.



hobbie (Stranger) 07-23-01 23:58 No 198543	Re: Ive done "ice" be4 and it is different from C.Meth	Bookmark Reply
	hey guys and gals, Im the newbee on the block, oh boy! Just wanted you all to know that I have tried "ICE" also and enjoyed it a lot. This was about 10 years ago when I was in the military and in Seoul Korea. It was big time then for that area of the world and most people I knew were into it. The buzz is awsome!....Smoking it left me kinda paranoid for a bit and with drawn...snorting it was great....no paranoia....I'm scared of needles and would never consider shooting anything....as far as it being addictive???...well the only time I felt I really needed more was when I was up for 2 or 3 days and had to go into work...hehe defender of the free world...In my personal opinion it is not nearly as addictive as freebasing coke...and would actually bee hehe a good substitue for those that are....don't wanna piss ya all off...but swim was wondering if the synthesis posted here is the only one that has been found on how to make it? I hate dangerous stuff, I did a couple of searches on it to no avail I dont know....something about lab rats........



zooligan (Hive Addict) 07-24-01 09:46 No 198626	Re: Worlock-from Methhead-"ICE" synthesis	Bookmark Reply
	You forgot the article on making Cyanogen Bromide I didn't forget it, I just figured that most of the gun bluing/shoestring/bubblegum meth synth folks probably wouldn't even make it past the third line before getting bored or whatever and running off to start another matchbook rP thread... z "And if we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto, then we'll just be bogus too!"

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