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dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-06-02 15:33 No 266170	pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	I hope this is not redundant to this board.. I was asked to regurgitate a thread's contents.. =============== I did at Zonez: if i did here, i forget...":<( However, there is a threadin "chemistry" that may be of value. Fudgemonkey has an old threadsomewhere somewhen that may be of help as well... There: now that should cover the fundamentals.. Hopefully your ephedra is all REAL finely chopped... If not,dry it in an oven at 150F until it is, an put it through a afood processor.. get to as near dust as you can... drill and tap a hole in your pressure cooker, 3/8ths orwhatever, NPT tapered: better: get a NEEDLE VALVE with NPT male threads and make the hole in the PC to fit... Screw in the needlevalve. The upper end?? isit male too? Get a connector femalefemale and screw it on... get a Male/male threaded shortie nipple: Nuthin'but threads from each end to the middle... get the shortest sized connector bell flange to enlarge the pipe size to ??2"?? or 1 1/2 inches whatever suits your fancy.. Get a 6" pipe length "nipple" of whatever size you decidedon, and another bell flange to reduce it down to whateversize is appropriate for your condenser, (instructions for whci i could generate if youse needs it.) You need a matrix to suspend the material for extracting. use some scotchbrite pads. Actually, what I use is not scotchbrite, but itlooks just like it. Green plasticmatrix.. You cut it so the WIDTH is the same as your pipe LENGTH. roll it up tight as hell and see how great a length you can stuff endwise into your pipe... So now its obvious, right? un roll it, sprinkle evenly prodigious amounts ofbrown dust throughout: Put a "backing plate" under to catch excess that falls through: surprisingly little will.. Roll it up and stuff it in: very masculine...??<sic fuk ============== Now: this dude takes a fair amount of BTU's input to really get fast work, or you can use the "pulse jet" approach.. <<Marvin, my butthead neighbor, uses his propane BBQ grill... ANYWAZE: hopefully you have the "Presto" (Ithink it is) type that has the variable weight setting? I set mine for 10 PSI: seemsto work fine: use the 20 if you want: I do notknow at what temp the "scotchpads" will melt, but it takes 10 PSI fine... (Speaking of "fine", use the "fine"scotchpads...) operating (duh) 1. assemble unit 2. add water 3. add heat 4. wait for safety blow off to whistle, fume, or otherwise make a commotion. 5. open needle valve 6. adjust needle valve to position that maintains pressure in PC,as determined by unsettled but unfuming blowoff safety valve.. 7. condense 8. throw condensate away as it will only get you in trubble. =============== Furthernotes: 1. Wrap the "extraction pipe" in fiberglass to maintain temperature... (bungecords+fiberglass batting..] 2. Make a rightangle outa da top of your extraction fitting, and start down into your condenser immediately. 3. Consider using braided steel wrapped hotwater supply hoses for the first 6 feet of your exit hosing into your condenser. Its easyto arrange fittings, and provides a margin of safety. 4. Try the 20 PSI setting and let me know if anything melts..":<) =================== dwarfer



bucockey (Stranger) 02-06-02 17:51 No 266226	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Get a 6" pipe length "nipple" of whatever size you decidedon, and another bell flange to reduce it down to whateversize is appropriate for your condenser, (instructions for whci i could generate if youse needs it.) Yup, Ize needs it (more detailed instructions if at all possible)



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-07-02 11:30 No 266552	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	while sitting here researching psudeo distillations and now reading this for the steam distillation of ephedra jetson came up with an idea using a pressure cooker and a bit of the above idea and a bit from an idea of an oil catch can i read about. tell me if this sounds plausible.. take your pressure cooker lid and remove the center piece, drill hole larger if you like, attach a pice of 1/4"(or whatever size of hole you have) allthread pipe to hole with about 1/2" sticking out the bottom. now get a small ss pipe with end caps and drill the same sized hole in one of the end caps as the allthread pipe(see where i'm going here) and thread that end cap onto the underneath of the pressure cooker lid using the allthread pipe that's sticking down from the center. now drill some holes in the other end cap to let steam in and affix it with some very fine screen(still don't have that thought out yet) to keep your powder in. now take your pills and grind them to a fine powder, mix in baking soda to the powder(1 to 1 ratio?) and add a bit of water, just enough to make it mushy, and stir it well. add the mush to the pipe on the underside of the lid, put the retaining cap on the pipe, put the lid on the cooker and steam away. oh, of course the allthread pipe coming out of the top of the lid is then attached to your condenser. essentially the same setup as above but with the ephedra, psuedo etc. in the pot itself. needs some work but jetson thinks it has hope... _...



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-08-02 14:50 No 267123	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Jetson, I think it does too as the material "holder" would be obviously not losing heat to it's environment. Good thinking! In the interests of safety, however,make another hole and install your non tapered all thread and epoxy it in place: This will: 1. Retain the safety blow off 2. enable you to determine the pressure sufficiency inside the container. (when the weight starts wobbling...) If the hole for the "all thread" was drilled fairly close to the edge, and vertically, NOT at right angles to the curved lid, then a right angle fitting inside could enable a LENGTH to the extraction chamber just less than the DIAMETER of the pressure cooker. Because the pressure OUTSIDE the extraction chamber will be equal to or greater than that INSIDE the extraction chamber, PVC pipe could be used. Because PVC pipe is used, custom lengths suitable to your pressure cooker diameter would be easy to come by, since most bee's have a hacksaw and can use solvent glue (OS however, has not mastered this yet I regret to note) whereas most Bee'sdo not have a taperd thread pipe threading machine... ================= The needle valve should be retained: some used for gas supply valves have female threads on one end: the "all thread" should be selected to match. The "scotchpad" retainer for the basified pill mass CAN be used in this application also... =============== All-in-all, a superb idea, with enhanced safety considerations (less exposed hot surface for OS to burn his widdo pinkies on..) better operational potential more flexibility with no significant increase in construction time or expertise. ================= JETSON hereby receives the highly coveted DICK AROUND OF THE WEEK AWARD dwarfer



Prepuce (Stranger) 02-08-02 21:39 No 267300	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Good design and excellent write-up. SWIM has been looking for something like this for several weeks. Thanks, Dwarfer/Jetson. PP



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-09-02 10:53 No 267457	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	the dick around of the week award eh? damn, brings a tear to the ole eye... hopefully though this'll bring about more ideas from others and this little pressure cooker steam extractor will kick off. hopefully soon to say goodbye to the a/b your psuedo days. swij already has said goodbye and been using just the pressure cooker to distill but hasn't been getting very good yields so he's going to see if this, one pot steam distilling not just a simple distillation, helps them. again, on behalve of jane his wife, daughter judy and his boy elroy, thank you dwarfer oh, one more thing, i'd maybe be careful with the pvc eh? not sure of what kinda temps pvc can stand but jetson knows that pvc can't stand up to the heat of a car engine bay. that's pretty damn hot though!



wareami (Hive Bee) 02-09-02 13:31 No 267492	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Jetson: I notice that you didn't mention Astro and Rosie...I certainly hope they didn't become victim to the Age of explosive automation... SWIW use to use cpvc at colder climates for plumbing and it didn't last too long...don't think! Haven't seen it in years...but climate may be a factor as to availability! SWIW has a question regarding the solvents used and the possible interaction with the PVC...since it is a poly family as is some of the inactives in OTC's and also about the sealing methods of caps....acetone is a key ingredient in the pvc glue solvent I believe. If the possibility exists that a merger may take place with these poly's...there may be a weakening of the materials used. SWIW was at the plumbing dept recently and saw some pretty interesting high pressure caps that fit the needs where pressure is a concern and they are not material specific either...copper... pvc...galvanized..etc.. just a few less sense from the WingNutz Gallery! I'll try to get some pics of these gadgets and post them! Being safety factors are a big concern, these just raised a few questions in the huge expanse that some call the mind! Not only that...but someone must keep the Ole Dwarfer on his tows! eh? Keep UP the Great Work Do's Peace_{of the}^re_a_c_t_i_o_n Have FUN-Bee SAFE Hiding...from the bushes! ô¿ôWareami



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-11-02 21:43 No 268408	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Jetson, this is a great deal more effective than distilling. With distilling, in my limited experience, the carry over is pretty slow. This will get most of what there is to get in farly short order. For GUP afficianados, you still may have a problem with some carry over of undesireables. This may sound like a lot of work, but it does not seem like it to me, given past experiments, and the ease with which it is done once you have the set up. PP,SS with acetone twice: dry, extract with water, add a surplus of bicarb. Bring to boil, (JUST).. cool, pour over unrolled pad, REcoil, stuff in pipe.... ===================== The temp of the PVC will be what , 230 F or so?? If it was being pressurized, I would not trust it. <<Gemini "one pot" failures taught lesson well.. But there is no pressure in this application. Well, there IS, but it's the same inside and outside the pipe so should be no problem. ============= When you said "All thread" I was thinking of the untapered brass lighting fixture hollow brass threaded stock: but could not find an easy set up in the limited time I had in the hardware store this past weekend. It may be easier (and may have been what you meant anyway) to have the tapered threads extend through the lid and into the pressure cavity far enough to enable the inside plumbing to connect to the same threads. For those who are questoning ? this... The PC lid is pretty thin hi strength aluminum alloy. If the hole was threaded "deep" on the tap, it would intersect the tapered pipe threads high, near the top of the threaded section. There would be 3/8 or so protruding on the bottom (INSIDE the PC cavity)to attach the internal plumbing to. The internal plumbing does not have to be rigid as I first envisaged it. The extraction chamber can lay on the bottom, connected by flex tube to the protruding threads, as long as the INTAKE to the extraction chamber has a "snorkle" on it to assure that steam goes in and not superheated water.... First one that builds a functioning unit wins a prize. ====================== The modified set up will seriously outperform the "dual heater" "Glass manifolded" unimaginative outa-da-book steamers garishly displayed at several websites.. <<ghetto-meister dwarfer



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-11-02 21:47 No 268409	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	It's W(tf)amYOU?? I assure you the solvent welded PVC is not going to contribute enuff effluvia to de reaction to cause a prob whassoever.. dwarfer



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-11-02 22:22 No 268428	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	On the other hand, galvanized is pre cut, cheap and easy.. ":<) dwarfer



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-12-02 11:42 No 268676	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	yes, through the lid. ok, listen what swij came up with. was jetting around last yesterday and got the following pieces together: 1 pvc end cap(2" round type), 1 pvc plug(2" to fit in the end cap), 1 1/2" male copper fitting(it's 1/2" at the one end and then the other end is the threaded part and is 5/8" or somewhere around there), 1 piece of 1/2" copper tubing, 1 1/2" copper coupling(fits the 1/2" tubing together), 1 1/2" 90 degree copper elbow, hmmm... methinks thats it. now to put it all together. take the pvc plug and drill numerous small holes in the bottom, take the pvc end cap and drill a hole to thread the 1/2" male fitting into, the top of the male fitting(the 1/2" end) goes up through the lid of the pressure cooker and then attaches to a short pieces of the 1/2" tubing(you might need the 1/2" coupling for that, sorry can't remember, kinda spent right about now. just basically attach the top end of the male fitting to the elbow and then to your condenser) now with the end cap threaded on to the lid via the male fitting and then everything nicely soldered together(silver solder, no lead!!!) take the plug you so diligently drilled so many holes in and place a filter of your choice on the bottom and fill it with your psuedo base(swij used a coffee filter). push the plug up into the end cap, fill the bottom of the cooker with some h2o that has been based with baking soda and a splash of lye(sorry, couldn't tell ya what the ph was exactly, this poor bastard has to use litmus papers), put your lid on and fire it up. swij has only had a small amount of time with his new toy but did have the chance to bring a small bit of the full amount over. now, where's that prize??? one note though that swij would like to make, on swij's initial test run he didn't use freebased psuedo, he crushed the pills straight from the box and right to the plug but still got a bit from what little time he played. next time though he plans on cleaning and basing the psuedo before the show. well that's all for now, swij'll keep ya posted. ok, one last thing. notice that pvc was in fact used. it did indeed hold up to the heat with no visible defects. initially one could smell the smell of pvc throughout the air though. and copper was just the most convienient at the time, by all means find and use ss if possible.



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-12-02 13:26 No 268721	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	yes, through the lid. ok, listen what swij came up with. was jetting around last yesterday and got the following pieces together: 1 pvc end cap(2" round type), 1 pvc plug(2" to fit in the end cap), 1 1/2" male copper fitting(it's 1/2" at the one end and then the other end is the threaded part and is 5/8" or somewhere around there), 1 piece of 1/2" copper tubing, 1 1/2" copper coupling(fits the 1/2" tubing together), 1 1/2" 90 degree copper elbow, hmmm... methinks thats it. now to put it all together. take the pvc plug and drill numerous small holes in the bottom, take the pvc end cap and drill a hole to thread the 1/2" male fitting into, d: There are PVC “reducer” couplings already threaded to take the male threads. Using copper fittings is great. I never use them so do not think of them when they are a great way to go. Actually, sweat soldering a piece of tubing inside the threaded “through top” short pipe would be an answer probably better than the one I proposed... the top of the male fitting(the 1/2" end) goes up through the lid of the pressure cooker and then attaches to a short pieces of the 1/2" tubing(you might need the 1/2" coupling for that, sorry can't remember, kinda spent right about now. just basically attach the top end of the male fitting to the elbow and then to your condenser) d: don’t forget you haveta have a valve here... A brass globe valve will work too, but is harder to get a “balance” with the safety relief in the center... now with the end cap threaded on to the lid via the male fitting and then everything nicely soldered together(silver solder, no lead!!!) d: good point, although the susequent extraction in NP should obviate the exposure.. take the plug you so diligently drilled so many holes in and place a filter of your choice on the bottom and fill it with your psuedo base(swij used a coffee filter). push the plug up into the end cap, fill the bottom of the cooker with some h2o that has been based with baking soda and a splash of lye(sorry, couldn't tell ya what the ph was exactly, this poor bastard has to use litmus papers), put your lid on and fire it up. swij has only had a small amount of time with his new toy but did have the chance to bring a small bit of the full amount over. now, where's that prize??? D: “:<) try the green scotchpad stuff, I guarantee it. one note though that swij would like to make, on swij's initial test run he didn't use freebased psuedo, he crushed the pills straight from the box and right to the plug but still got a bit from what little time he played. next time though he plans on cleaning and basing the psuedo before the show. well that's all for now, swij'll keep ya posted. d; That will double your yields.. Also, some formulations will carry over some wax/oil. Nevertheless, good onya... ok, one last thing. notice that pvc was in fact used. it did indeed hold up to the heat with no visible defects. D; toldya initially one could smell the smell of pvc throughout the air though. and copper was just the most convienient at the time, by all means find and use ss if possible. d: ss would be nice. “:<) dwarfer



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-13-02 10:57 No 269200	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	"d: There are PVC “reducer” couplings already threaded to take the male threads." yeah but see, swij wanted the whole chamber to be as close to the top of the lid as possible so more h2o could be put into the bottom of the cooker so swij wouldn't have to open it up and put more base water in every hour. with just the male adapter and the cap there is only a space of at most an inch between the lid and chamber itself. as for the valve. i kinda forgot that eh? think that pressure lends much to the distillation of the psuedo? _{"this could be an illusion but i might as well try..."}



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-13-02 12:07 No 269243	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	":<)_{Allow me to reinforce a fewthings and I will guarantee you an increase in satisfaction.. 1. It appears from reading that you were blowing steam generated from strongly basic water by GUP's still in the .HCl form. I am surprised this would work at all, though perhaps I'm not reading it correctly. It is the FREEBASE that is most volatile and which will be transported by the hot water vapor. Therefore you MUST freebasethe GUP's oneway or another and THEN extractthe FB. 2. The simple filter you describe will lead to several non-desireable situations mostly relating to surface area/volume considerations. If you do not like the "scotchpad" route, use fine gravel or course sand as the matrix within which to distribute your material. Hopefully your sideways-mounted extraction chamber within the PC is removeable?? Fill it with the media, sand gravel or scotchpad, which has been inmpregnated with the FB, re attach it and go to town. 3. Yes the valve is very important.(NOT as important now that the extraction chamber is INSIDE the PC and will have NO temperature drop through the process) but: efficiency is greatly increased by a small temperature increase, so put the damn thing on and see feryourself.. If you were to do the PP,SS deal metioned you would optimize your results: but just to make a giant step easily for yourself, extract the GuP's with alcohol, put some dry NaOH in the alcohol, swirl, pour the alcohol into the sand/gravel or overthe scotchpads: THEN do it. Look, you only need a liter of water for 20G gups @ 10 PSI... don't EVEN worry about headspace...} dwarfer



geezmeister (Hive Bee) 02-13-02 12:22 No 269251	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	From reading the last addition to this thread, I am left with this question: Why extract the pseudo first? Why not base the GUP in an alcohol solution similar to a waterless A/B and hit that with steam? Would that not bring the freebase over with the steam? Why extract first, then base, then steam? Something here I do not follow. Second question: In steam distillation diagrams,the steam source at A goes by tube into the distillation flask at B with a fine steam point source in the base of distillation flask so the steam is released inside the basified solution to be steam distilled. The pressurized chamber you describe passes steam through a matrix containing material to be distilled. Could you not suspend the a pvc pot inside the pressure cooker and introduce the steam from the top of the pressure cooker through a tube to the bottom of the pvc "pot" and let this be the source of the steam? The steam could exit around a splash shield at the top of the pvc pot. You would then in essence duplicate the steam distillation set up but leave the distillation flask in the pot where it is kept at the proper temperature. A valve in the line from the pot through the lid (and a globe valve would be suitable for this purpose) would prevent the steam from entering the basified contents until pressue and temperature were sufficient to steam distill. The tube out of the pot could run directly into the condenser, and the steam distillation apparatus would be the size of the pressure cooker and the condenser/collector flask. Much shorter than the pot, distillation flask, condenser, receiving flask set up that only looked like serious clandestine chemistry was taking place and was hard to hide. What have I missed in your posts that suggests the pressure over the matrix is the better way to steam the goods over, particlarly if the regular steam distillation does not bring wax and oil with it? I'm curious if I've committed one of those fundamental errors in understanding caused by a failure to appreciate a simple rule that I have obviously overlooked. Comments are welcome. Shop time is set aside this weekend to create the one pot steam distillation unit ala Geezer's dreams. An education is what's left when you've forgotten what you learned.



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-14-02 08:58 No 269680	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	ok, firstly, about the male adapter, never mind. it came to me last evening. also a valve is now in place. now... "1. It appears from reading that you were blowing steam generated from strongly basic water by GUP's still in the .HCl form. I am surprised this would work at all, though perhaps I'm not reading it correctly. It is the FREEBASE that is most volatile and which will be transported by the hot water vapor. Therefore you MUST freebasethe GUP's oneway or another and THEN extractthe FB." yup, you read right. straight from the box... like swij said though he does intend on freebasing the psuedo first. twas just an oversite induced by the exitement of initial vigin run of steamer. imagine swij's embarrasement. the reason any was brought over though is in swij's reasoning due to the basic solution probably converting some of the psuedo in the chamber to base out upon contact and luckily bringing it over in the steam. after the initial virgin run of the hcl. and when swij got a bit of free time he threw some sodium bicarbonate down on the hcl mush that was in the chamber and proceeded to steam it again. the results are still being evaped. 2. yes swij thinks the scotchpad idea is tits. he only used the coffee filter because it was the only thing handy. like jetson said, he was an eager beaver. not sure how you see swij's chamber as being mounted sideways though and yes the plug easily removes from the cap. it's not glued on or anything. it's just filled with the psuedo and pushed up into the cap. sideways??? one liter to 20 grams??? that's great news to swij's ears!!! it's kinda hard to get info on steam distilling around here like that. just didn't want to have too little h2o in there and end up running out ya know? that brings me to a question though. do you see fit to base the h2o in the cooker or would dh2o be just fine seeing as how the steam would be picking up the base from the chamber? for now swij'll base the h2o too. geez- the initall cleanup is just to make sure you'll be getting a high quality end result. from swij's experiments he imagines that one could indeed freebase the psuedo directly and then directly distill it. hah, swij still got some(not many for the amount of h2o used, but some) perty crystals of psuedo and hell he used the hcl straight from the box with just base h2o. that's not recommended in no way though(twas meerly an oversite). secondly from what i understand of your reverse engineered model, swij doesn't see why it wouldn't work. but why go through the trouble of adding another pot to the equation(the steam generator, or did i miss something)? simplicity is what swij is trying to accomplish. and what could be simpler that meerly throwing down some base in a pot and steaming it out through a condenser? well, back to work _{"this could be an illusion but i might as well try..."}



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-14-02 17:11 No 269816	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	From reading the last addition to this thread, I am left with this question: Why extract the pseudo first? Why not base the GUP in an alcohol solution similar to a waterless A/B and hit that with steam? Would that not bring the freebase over with the steam? Why extract first, then base, then steam? Something here I do not follow. D: I'm a victim of my own experience, and actually do the more involved PP/SS routine further above because it has been my experience that some amendments can come over with the steam, or reduce the production of the steam treatment. Given the ionic attractive nature of the polyelectrolytes which are used to inhibit the A/B process, one can project, guess, speculate or ?? about the nature of the same confoundments to FU steaming to a degree. In my opinion the amendments either lower the volatility of the FB to make it less likely to steam extract, or (in other embodiments ) hitch a ride... Although I've seen several ref's to the "water less extraction"and can guess maybe what is meant, gimme a post number and I'll come up to speed. Anyway, either way will be better fer Jetson than extracting the .Hcl salt, hee haw ho.... Second question: In steam distillation diagrams, the steam source at A goes by tube into the distillation flask at B with a fine steam point source in the base of distillation flask so the steam is released inside the basified solution to be steam distilled. The pressurized chamber you describe passes steam through a matrix containing material to be distilled. D: yep and that set up is not pressurized, lower temperature, and not as cheap, easy or bitchin as this route. OK OK I never did the glasswork set up and am therefore both ignorant AND prejudiced: nevertheless, I am thoroughly convinced by my own mind......... The ONLY advantage the glass has is that the molecules to be extracted are finely divided in solution, (could be significant, I will confess...) But you have to appreciate the qualities of the finely divided GUP's in the matrix and note the extractive qualities before worrying about it. Truth is, there is a relatively simple way to make the process "extracted from liquid", inside the pot: but I've not even moved my extraction chamber to INSIDE the pot yet, and it works damned well"as is", although (as noted) Jetson's improvement is significantly more "sublime" than my original construct .... Could you not suspend the a pvc pot inside the pressure cooker and introduce the steam from the top of the pressure cooker through a tube to the bottom of the pvc "pot" and let this be the source of the steam? The steam could exit around a splash shield at the top of the pvc pot. You would then in essence duplicate the steam distillation set up but leave the distillation flask in the pot where it is kept at the proper temperature. A valve in the line from the pot through the lid (and a globe valve would be suitable for this purpose) would prevent the steam from entering the basified contents until pressure and temperature were sufficient to steam distill. The tube out of the pot could run directly into the condenser, and the steam distillation apparatus would be the size of the pressure cooker and the condenser/collector flask. Much shorter than the pot, distillation flask, condenser, receiving flask set up that only looked like serious clandestine chemistry was taking place and was hard to hide. What have I missed in your posts that suggests the pressure over the matrix is the better way to steam the goods over, particlarly if the regular steam distillation does not bring wax and oil with it? D: Well if you are getting good results with regular distillation and no waxes or oils, then good on ya... I have a microwave still that works pretty good, too, but it's slow, not particularly productive, and although it does not crank over oils or waxes, oils or waxes are responsible (i think) for it's inefficiency. In truth, it has not been tried with amended feedstock treated to the de-gaaking process described above, so therefore this opinion is suspect as well: BUT: I'd rather spend the 15 minutes to ½ hour in treating the GUP's to the cleaning and extraction above, and blast the goodies into the collector with 1/5 the water in 10% of the time, than wait for the STP "boil away the water", and have then an exceedingly weak solution from which to extract the pre-goodies. Your suggestion I think replicates the amendments already espoused by Jetson, with the internal extraction vessel. If I've missed something, please advise. NOTE: if you are convinced of the increase efficacy of the freebase in water solution (more in accord with steaming principles, to be sure..) A set up with the topography of a filter flask, with a one hole stopper with a tube leading to the bottom of the inside of the container, with the "suction" nipple connected up to the pipe leading through the PC lid to the exterior valve, could be considered. As the valve is s l o w l y opened, live steam would bubble through the liquid, accomplishing your goals. Lemme know how it works...":<) I'm curious if I've committed one of those fundamental errors in understanding caused by a failure to appreciate a simple rule that I have obviously overlooked. d: Not that I noticed: it is very difficult to use words to convey an image in the mind and I know that "failures to communicate" are rampant. Glad to have a respected "co-conspirator" giving it a shot. By this means are the works of the nefarious adulterers set null and void...":<) Comments are welcome. Shop time is set aside this weekend to create the one pot steam distillation unit ala Geezer's dreams. ================================================== Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-14-02 08:58 No 269680 Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu? Reply ok, firstly, about the male adapter, never mind. it came to me last evening. also a valve is now in place. now... "1. It appears from reading that you were blowing steam generated from strongly basic water by GUP's still in the .HCl form. I am surprised this would work at all, though perhaps I'm not reading it correctly. It is the FREEBASE that is most volatile and which will be transported by the hot water vapor. Therefore you MUST freebasethe GUP's oneway or another and THEN extractthe FB." yup, you read right. straight from the box... like swij said though he does intend on freebasing the psuedo first. twas just an oversite induced by the exitement of initial vigin run of steamer. imagine swij's embarrasement. the reason any was brought over though is in swij's reasoning due to the basic solution probably converting some of the psuedo in the chamber to base out upon contact and luckily bringing it over in the steam. after the initial virgin run of the hcl. and when swij got a bit of free time he threw some sodium bicarbonate down on the hcl mush that was in the chamber and proceeded to steam it again. the results are still being evaped. 2. yes swij thinks the scotchpad idea is tits. he only used the coffee filter because it was the only thing handy. like jetson said, he was an eager beaver. not sure how you see swij's chamber as being mounted sideways though and yes the plug easily removes from the cap. it's not glued on or anything. it's just filled with the psuedo and pushed up into the cap. sideways??? ?? well, how do you keep WATER from going through instead of live steam??? one liter to 20 grams??? that's great news to swij's ears!!! it's kinda hard to get info on steam distilling around here like that. just didn't want to have too little h2o in there and end up running out ya know? that brings me to a question though. do you see fit to base the h2o in the cooker or would dh2o be just fine seeing as how the steam would be picking up the base from the chamber? for now swij'll base the h2o too. Basing the H2O will do nothing, I think.... However, I extrapolate from one of Fudgemonkey's posts from a long while back, that if you fling some ammonia into the water it will help in steaming effectiveness: like attracting like or some such rationale: I've never seen it confirmed in theory, but I DO think it helped in the STP microwave endeavors I described above. Unlike the base, it WILL carry over in the steam, so at least you will get a nice ammonia smell to know something is happening, and it may do mo' bettah' things, too. You would think I could get somebody like old gluefingers himself, Osmoid the (un) Magnificent, to deign to venture an opinion on this matter, but he is getting so fossilized I can hardly get a rise out of him these days: no wonder Stoni has been acting so randy lately... I must be slipping, or need some new insulks.. dwarfer



goiterjoe (Hive Addict) 02-14-02 17:54 No 269828	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	hey dwarfer, what's a polyelectrolyte? for steam distillation, you should have an outside source of steam if you are not using a soxphlet apparatus. Simply boiling the pill water isn't going to give you good results. If Pacman had influenced us, we'd run around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-15-02 11:53 No 270098	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	joe, who's boiling pill water? there is a source of outside steam. just not outside the cooker itself, but indeed outside of the chamber that's inside the cooker that has the based psuedo in it. dig? dwarfer-"?? well, how do you keep WATER from going through instead of live steam???" jetson assumes that you mean water from a possible splash due to boiling, that's the reason swij has to keep the chamber as close to the top of the lid as possible. and tries to keep the level of water as low as possible and at gentle boils. he's eventually going to incorporate a thermometer to his rig to even better keep an eye on the boiling point. if jetson misunderstood then please feel free to elaborate.



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-15-02 12:26 No 270103	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Hey, GJ: anuddername for polyampholyte, with ionic groups attached along a carbon backbone that can form various configurations including weak cross linking (?temporary polymerization?) and also do unusual things in acidand base solutions. I'll dredge up the link to "Berjoram Lengthts" and other things way over my head in a while. =============== Jetson, I DID understand you then: I figgered the best way to keep it outa da water was to go inside the lid and turn sideways, making the chamber horizontal.. ==================== You can get one of those "meat thermometer" type bi'metallic dial-on-a-needle temp guage and drill a hole: I have that one of my early PC units: however, if you know the pressure, you know the temperature, right? So if the weight is blowing off a bit, you know what the temp is, and you adjust the needle valve to JUST barely maintainthe pressure to keep the releif valve barely lifting off now andthen.. dwarfer



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-16-02 10:04 No 270486	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	right, but swij's cooker doesn't have an adjustable weight and swij can't seem to find in the book exactly what it's set for.?.? meat thermometer, you mean the ones that have the probe? that might be better than trying to fit a big ass candy thermometer eh? "Jetson, I DID understand you then: I figgered the best way to keep it outa da water was to go inside the lid and turn sideways, making the chamber horizontal.." oh, i see, so you're saying that basically instead of worrying about going wider(say 4" dia. pvc piping) that you thought to go longer(say 2" dia. pvc pipe maybe 4" long)?



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-21-02 13:32 No 271586	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	right, but swij's cooker doesn't have an adjustable weight and swij can't seem to find in the book exactly what it's set for.?.? =========== Don't worry about it willwork.. ============= "(say 2" dia. pvc pipe maybe 4" long)? " ================== Yeah, 6" will work great: and it is easier to assure good hot gas flow throughout the volume. dwarfer



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-22-02 10:55 No 272108	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	hmmm... yes, interesting indeed. but seem my thinking was that since swij has the 2" cap with the hole in the top(the cap is slightly rounded) center and the plug(flat bottom) with the holes in the bottom, that the flow of steam would be less constricted and distillation would hense be quicker or slightly more efficient. see the steam would flow directly through the psuedo base(which by the way swij's procedure of basing is slightly different also, swij mixes his ground pills to an equal amount of bicarb and adds a bit of h2o to make a mush and stirs this then lets it dry to a powder, that makes the handling of it much easier) from bottom to top and out. that way swij figured less chance of anything being lost somewhere. it's kinda funneling everything together, through and out. but to each his own i guess.... also one might think then "how the hell do ya keep the pseudo in the chamber then if there are holes in the bottom and inevitably no matter if it starts as a solid or not once steam hits it it's going to go to goo again..." well that's why ya put a nice bed of scotchpad down on the bottom of the plug first they are nice aren't they(the pads) thanks to dwarfer for that. _{"this could be an illusion but i might as well try..."}



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-22-02 11:58 No 272136	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Good on you for using the bicarb, but I would suggest boiling it in water first, then adding the pseudo salt to the water and then putting it in the extraction chamber. The bicarbonate does not get the pH high enough, but once it converts to washing soda (sodium carbonate) with CO2 released at 100C, it will get to approx pH 11.5, which is fine. This should all happen in the reactor as well, since steam is blasting through, but none the less...... =================== The scotchpads constitute the biggest contribution I made to this construct as an improvement: try rolling it in a spiral and stuffing it in after you load it (the scotchpad matrix) and you will be better off than how I am invisaging your set up. you CAN use abunch of scotchpad "disks" cut to the ID of the pipe, placethem in individually and sprinkle your material between disks, but I see no advantage to this, and elected to do the rolled-up technique instead. It is a fact of life that the gas will find a preferred least-pressure route though the matrix: optimal production requires good non clumped distribution... Without overcomplicating it I hope, :: even flow though the spiralwrapped scotchpad matrix can be better assured through including a non-permeable membrane barrier between the spiral layers.. In other words, lay a piece of aluminum foil under the unrolled pad, and include it when you roll it up.. (alum foil would be good for the ephedra extraction, but saran wrap or similar for the basified pill extracts...) ================== Thanks for your super contribution to steamer extraction ghetto clandestine technology... dwarfer



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-22-02 12:22 No 272151	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	"you CAN use abunch of scotchpad "disks" cut to the ID of the pipe, placethem in individually and sprinkle your material between disks, but I see no advantage to this, and elected to do the rolled-up technique instead" exactly, no advantage, true but for swij's setup indeed better off. that's a pretty good idea using the foil/saranwrap too. god i love this place. swij wishes he could post some pics of his toy so all descrepencies would be cleared up, but alas where to post them??? hmmm... "steamer extraction ghetto clandestine technology..." nice, kinda puts it all in perspective eh? _{"this could be an illusion but i might as well try..."}



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-26-02 08:39 No 273812	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	ok, time for an improvement. what ya need to do is get 2 3"(please feel free to scale all numbers up to whatever you/your pressure cooker can handle) end caps and a short piece of 3" pvc pipe(just enough to connect the end caps together. now in one of the end caps drill a hole and screw in your male to female pipe connector(just like the previous designs) now make two more holes(or more if you like, just have to make all the appropriate improvisations then) the size of your pipe that you choose to use(swij is using 1/4" copper pipe, pvc, copper, ss... etc.) and insert your pipes, cut to the length of the top of the hole you drilled down to the bottom of the chamber you made(the two 3" end caps put together). by now i'm sure you can see where this is going. now you can either let the tops of the pipes(steam in) as are or you can attach an elbow piece or something to try and facilitate better steam flow(shold work as is quite well). now all ya need to do is get your pills crushed in h2o, filtered real quick and based(with bicarb preferably) and throw the base water in the bottom of the chamber and steam away! see this way you can have your steam passing through an actual solution of base water and have yourself a "true one pot steam distillation apparatus" _{"this could be an illusion but i might as well try..."}



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-26-02 13:12 No 273927	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	I regret to note that I do not understand.. now make two more holes(or more if you like, just have to make all the appropriate improvisations then) where are the holes ? What is the orientation of the chamber inside the PC?? I THINK you are (maybe) still of the opinion that the steam should pass through the liquid with the FB species in it to be effective? If so, you are correct, but limiting yourself because it (the steam) will volotilize and extractthe solid FB very well. The ephedra extraction demonstrates this: the FB (which I think is a poly-hydrate in it's natural conformation){which is why you can't do a simple NP extraction on it with any sucess....} it is a solid (natch) in the stems... Another suggestion (to myself) to try justbecause I think it will optimize the process, is to take the filtered GUP alcoholic extract, basify that with Na or KOH, evaporate, wash with acetone, re-dissolve in minimal alcohol, and pour that over the scotchpad. The alcohol will soon evap, or be driven off by the first steam, leaving the amine to be separated from the plastigoop readily........ Anyway, you are well down the road: have any success to claim?? ":<) dwarfer



Gen_Washington (Hive Bee) 02-26-02 14:58 No 273979	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Thanks for regurgitating so beautifully. In This Time of Turning to Greater Light, Do ya get better results from ephedra caps (90 caps x 15mg = @ 1.5 grams) or polymerized GAK pill? Bad for shooters, eh? How many pills can you use per 6 inch pupe and scothbrite pad :) ? In all the years I've read this fucking page this may be the best thread yet ;) Do you add NaOH to your ephedra? A lso, for the electro and even CAT you may not be done yet: My kilo came with specs that said it was 5% ephedra and 3% pseudo, and pseudoCAT is WEAK, and the electro hates pseudo, as malaci used to explain. Remember him?! The electro wiz, been gone forever . . . Anywayz, pseudo FB is insoluble in water egular E isnt, so use a sep funnel to drain all but the last bit of water, I guess



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-27-02 09:32 No 274340	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	the holes are on the top of the newly revised chamber. which then is screwed onto the bottom of the lid as was the last chamber. see it's basically the same setup but this new chamber holds water instead of solids, the reason being is because jetson had noticed in the last chamber with the holes on the bottom, some of the base had potential of leaking through after it had been hit with steam and inevitably turned to goo. unlikely due to constant steam rising through the holes but still... so there you have it. also one more note, instead of two 3" end caps, use a 3" plug for the bottom, it fits up inside the top 3"end cap and eliminates the need for a piece of 3" pipe and shite. so... anyone wanna see ascii?? yeah, me either. damn!!! where the fuk can jetson post a pic??? _{jetson is not a real person and any/all posts refering to jetson are entertainment only.}



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-27-02 16:13 No 274525	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	^{Thanks for regurgitating so beautifully. In This Time of Turning to Greater Light, Do ya get better results from ephedra caps (90 caps x 15mg = @ 1.5 grams) or polymerized GAK pill? Bad for shooters, eh?}^{<tsk> Tequila shooters good: needles baAAAAd.. <sheepishly>}^{How many pills can you use per 6 inch pupe and scothbrite pad :) ?}^{Cupplahundred anyway: probably maybe 500}^{In all the years I've read this fucking page this may be the best thread yet ;) Do you add NaOH to your ephedra?}^{I’ve tried both ways, a red sludge of strongly based e spread out on the scotchbrite, and just powder. Quantitatively, I cannot say which is better, but it is easier to get the powder evenly distributed than the sludge.}^{A lso, for the electro and even CAT you may not be done yet: My kilo came with specs that said it was 5% ephedra and 3% pseudo, and pseudo CAT is WEAK, and the electro hates pseudo, as malaci used to explain. Remember him?! The electro wiz, been gone forever . . .}^{Your kilo of ephedra said it was 5 % ephedrine and 3% pseudo-ephedrine? Probably more complicated than that, with nor this and +-that, but I get your drift. <<oops: merc says L ephedrine and D pseudo are the only natural occurring isomers: damned merc smart aleck says I’m wrong again. ^&&()(&^%^# One gram of L ephedrine dissolves in 20 ml water.. D pseudo is sparingly so. You’ll see a nice oil film form on the condenser collector water... Yeah, come to think of it, I’ve not seen hide nor metaphorical hair of him (Malaci) since Zonez daze...}^{Anywayz, pseudo FB is insoluble in water regular E isnt, so use a sep funnel to drain all but the last bit of water, I guess}^{??I’m missing something,I think. A/B the collected run over.... I think pseudo does fine in the electro, though I was given to making the chloro intermediary rather than the ester, and that was in the days when cleaning was easy.} dwarfer



p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 (Hive Bee) 02-27-02 22:28 No 274613	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Ok bee's and queens, The other day swim was going through the cubords and found this thing called a capacheeno machine, All this little device dose is produce steam and when enough steam has built up inside the chamber the light goes of and you press the button and steam comes out of the pipe that is suposed to bee inserted into the milk. Swim was thinking that he could conect a hose up to the steam out let and ues that to pass steam through a baseafied salution of sudo. All so swim,s little cupacheeno machine has 2 pressure vallve out let,s and they are on the side of the main capsule that holds the water. And then the top screews on, The top that screews on allso has a button on it so when you screew it on and then turn the machine on it builds up steam and then you press the button on the top screew on part and steam comes out the outlet pipe. This is the pipe that is supossed to bee inserted into milk. Any suggestions. Will this work if the set up is right. Swim thank,s all bee,s for any help they might give swim. Ask no question's, and i will tell no lies.



Jetson (Hive Bee / Eraser) 02-28-02 09:38 No 274802	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	that'd work for a steam source but then what? sorry i don't mean to be rude. there was another thread somewhere in which a cappacinno maker was used for something that you might want to check out. it's been dead a while and jetson forgets the name of the thread but if you do a search for it put in mister coffee and you should get the thread cause jetson thought about using a mister coffee before but that all got shot to hell once he opened the little fuker up but well anyway that's another thread.... now i don't mean to push you away either(hell i think every bee should have a steam distillation setup of some kind) but if that machine is anything like the mister coffee then all it's going to do is maybe bee a source of steam. jetson could be wrong though cause he doesn't drink cappacinno _{jetson is not a real person and any/all posts refering to jetson are entertainment only.}



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 02-28-02 13:42 No 274922	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	<<< has a damn good cappachino machine he first used for such investigations. If only he had stuck to sodium bicarbonate he would still have a damn good cappachino machine, but no: <<<decided to use some NaOH and that of course -played havoc with the aluminum basket inside, it being an amphoteric metal soluable in both acids and bases... so now <<<<<dipshit has a perfectly good cappachino machine except it no longer seals because the upper edge of the now gone aluminum basket was PART of the seal, which means of course the perfectly good cappachino machine is not worth a royal fuk. Shit: I reminded myself of Osmoidium after THAT boo-boo.. Moral: get cappachino machine with SS basket, and don't use no damn strong base... ================ OK OK DOES IT WORK? two part answer. well: more than that, since I'm relating anudder fuck up.. you CAN'T take GUPS and put them in the extractor basket and leach out the goodies: NOPE (DoHH!) You CAN however put the GUP's in the water and extract them thru the milk steamer nozle AND it will work better than the low pressure 100C units such as my microwave set up or other experiments of similar physics. i STRONGLY recommend you do a PP/SS acetone or W(TF)amI perchlorethylene extract first AND make damn sure you do not vap to dryness for two reasons: 1. in many pill formulations some goo will come over too, and they are the FRONT SIDE goops readily removed by the techniques noted. 2. Cleaning dried baked on plastigoop ain't no fun and even subsequent water boils is not 100% in getting out the dried shyte. ====================== The capacity is limited but it will work fine but you have to dick around with the basket where the coffe grindings usually go sothat the steam hot water wont all go out there. They all ( as far as I know and project, but who knows what those crazy Italians might do??)) have a SAFETY relief on them so that if the steamer basket get blocked the steam can escape, BUT (although one way to block the coffee extraction port is to try to steam extract some GUPS that way (DOUble DOH!) I would suggest just leaving some finely ground dried coffee in there, and releasing steam when it starts to drip, as a reasonably safe way to use the unit. ================= <<<'s cappachino machine milk steamer had a SCREW on tip which <<<< took off and made a jury-rigged PVC attachment for to make a mini-scale unit such as described WAY up at the top of this thread. Thus was born the whole thingamareeebob. <<< would say not to dick with the extractor gizmo: just do front side cleaning, extract with water put it in the unit with some baking soda go to town. I made the conversion from the SS milk steamer ouput to some small diameter PVC flex hose with some latex tubing and a few rubber bands. The capacity is limited but would be a good start for those whose enquiring minds get them all steamed up.. dwarfer



p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 (Hive Bee) 03-01-02 06:46 No 275297	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Swims capacheeno machine dose not nave a basket for ground up coffee, It is just a alaminum capsule with a plastic casing, Inside the casing at the bottom of the capsule the wires from the built into the capsule heating element wires run out the bottom through a hole cut out, and then a plastic plate is screewed on to conceal the wires, The plastic casing also helps with heat trazfer, Because the outside of the capsule dose not get very hot, ans you can hold it. Because swims capacheno machine has 2 presure outlets, he is going to take one outlet out and replace it with a p.s.i pressure gauge, And swim has already alterd the top of the machine so he can put a clip on the top of the machine and it pushes the steam out let button down so steam can come out constently if swim wants, And to make things even easyer, the nozzel that the steam comes out of can bee moved up and down, and can rotate 360%, So swim was thinking that this little steam maker in conjuntion with all the right other things would make a pretty niffty little machine. Swim is going to find out how long it can steam for before it runs out of water. And dose any BEE out there in the hive know what the maxamim p.s.i would bee for a cuppacheeno machine. All help will bee greatly apresheated and if swim sucseeds in making a nice little geto steam distilation set up swim will give a full details on how he achevied sucsess. Ask no question's, and i will tell no lies.



MMM (Newbee) 03-02-02 02:37 No 275718	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Just a minor contribution. Swim has had little to do with pills of any type. But has had a bit to do with steam. After some painstaking glassware based 24 hour,steam distillation. Which gave about a cup of nice clean racemic freebase. After chasing around trying to find commercial steam generators, Swim got pissed off and got serious, used a 65liter beer keg, large threaded pipe cap was attached for other uses and adapted down to smaller fittings. A 4 ring gas burner was used to boil. Steam hose was pushed onto a 3/8 tail, NO HOSE CLAMPS USED (an overpressure could have blown the pipe off as pressure release, so precautions were taken to avoid endangered area) With the superior amount of steam generated, far better results were realised than with the pathetic glass ware setup. ie. about 10 litres per hour :) The results per volume of distillate were superior also, due to greater speed and possibly slightly higher temperature of steam. This was fed into a SS soda keg via eductor tube. The only thing is a serious condensor is needed for such a volume of steam, tho commercial oil extractors use a real long, air cooled pipe, before their condensors. Swim constructed a condensor of 5 times 1yard, 3/8" pipes arranged in a water jacket, this matched the capacity of the steam generator nicely. Separated water was returned to generator. Total overkill for the project, but a real pleasure to use FWIW, P2P came over at a 10:1 ratio and product came over at 6:1 ratio When the day is bad,and life's a curse CHEER UP!!! Tomorrow may be Worse!! ('HAGAR' Comic)



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 03-06-02 18:32 No 278125	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	That is great.. Which gave about a cup of nice clean racemic freebase. A CUP of freebase..... man that would last me like?? 12 years?? << knocks at door... holding measuring cup "May I borry a cup of freebase?" "I will surely pay you back upon the 'morrow, IF you can catch me..." ================= The SMELL is like really good.. ============= You know those "Y" connectors you put on hose bibs to connect two hoses? <<made a condenser with some vinyl hose running thru a garden hose with those and some glue.. You can run water through the garden hose, cooling the vinyl hose in the middle. Pain in the ass to set up but it works.. =========== That is some set up: got a picture? dwarfer



Gen_Washington (Hive Bee) 03-07-02 16:28 No 278630	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	Is that the set up being used here: a (gasp) fake condensor only MacGyver would be proud of? Well, hell, since making asthma medicine is legal anyways, one named dwarfer may as well divulge if real glasware was ever used. ~1st, is the end sealed or is the flask and condesnor connected by an attachment that opens the set up to the air, like a claisen adaptor or or or (what are those straight adaptors called with three connections, not quite at a right angle?) ~Do you know what size hose, and thus what size top bell flange, I need for a 24/40 condensor? (thats a 40 top, so what hose fits sni\ugly into a condensor)?



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 03-08-02 15:03 No 279116	Re: pressure cooker steam extractor deja vu?	Bookmark Reply
	glass? I got glass: the Sobe' bottles are my faves..":<) ======= No, the visionware skillets: they are DEFiNitely my fave...well, except for the two saucepans. Except for the microwave coffee carafe specially modified: hey!now that W(TF)amI's told me how to get a photo to his site? I think i gots apicchoor of that one. ================= The condensers I use (the hose dealy is a PITA..) are coiled inside 5 gallon pails.. The collector bottom is at the bottom: (DUH":<) ) ITS exit goes UP thru another condenser.. I don't lose much by pass-thru, and rinse with alcohol to catch any fugitives.. However, the alky rinse is into another small collector, to not complicate the separation with NP of the main amount. The collected alky frequently is quite "rich". It's just evapped.. dwarfer



sGv (Stranger) 07-02-02 18:42 No 328175	would one of thoes vaporoizer's work for the ...	Bookmark Reply
	would one of thoes vaporoizer's work for the steam source? and with the pc setup what type of valve do you use with the pvc copper or pvc type valve? can you connect pvc and copper togather? sorry if theese qustions have been awnsered already i was just gonna run down to the h depot and pick up all the shit and wanted to make sure to get the right shit



geezmeister (Hive Addict) 07-03-02 08:29 No 328338	Sears!	Bookmark Reply
	Sears, a store I never set foot in on general principles, the principle being that they do not care for me to come in their stores....long story....has a new steam machine on the market for cleaning tires and wheels and gizmos with that should be exactly the constant steam source you seek. An education is what's left when you've forgotten what you learned.



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 07-03-02 14:16 No 328450	vaporizers not likely	Bookmark Reply
	would one of thoes vaporoizer's work for the steam source? NOPE NOT LIKELY and with the pc setup what type of valve do you use with the pvc copper or pvc type valve? can you connect pvc and copper togather? DO NOT UNDERSTAND PVC COPPER?? read it (the description)carefully, and there is a picture I posted in some other thread but I do not remember it's name. The needle valve is brass or bronze.. There are some fairly decent steam generators that have been used for plant extractions, but at their best they may approach my original contruct, but they would not incorporate the "extraction vessel inside the PC" improvement made by Mr. Jetson. Either one is at max about a 4 hour project for anyone with a modicum of skill and a few hand tools. Here's an off-the-cuff list material list 1. a PC, under $20, aluminum is fine 2. a needle valve, about $4 3. Chunka glass tubing about 2 or 3 feet long free if youse already got it..":<) 4. Drill to drill hole in PC lid 5. Drill bit and tap to make hole for needle valve. 6. Output hose to run to condenser (Braided hot water to sink under-sink supply hoses preferred for first section of condenser hose. ($5) 7. Right angle fitting to attach to top of needle valve to effect horizontal exit of gasses instead ov vertical 8. Two quart size (or whatever fits) free mason type bottles for inside the PC. (one for extraction, and one in series for foam control, If needed) 9. A triangular metal file to score the tubing to make the lengths you need. 10. A propane torch to anneal the ends of the tubing, and to bend it. 11. Some hose, preferably latex, that will fit on the glass tubing for interconnect.. 12. Some two part plastic (preferred) or quick set epoxy to attach some tubing to the mason jar lids. 13. Some lead fishing weight "rods" to bend over the mason jars so the GD mudderfuggers don't float up when they get emptied, and either turn over and break (cracked my favorite 500ML filter flask that way...":<( ) or more likely, disconnect the hose.. ============================= One piece of tubing is cut, heated to make a right angle, and glued into the bottom of the needle valve to make the connector point for the innards. Two tubes are glued into the lids of the mason jars. One long that reaches to the bottom, and one short that comes out of the top, and makes a right angle for connection. (hint: arrange the right angle piece to be close enough to the other tube so that the right angle turn length section can cross over the longer tube. then, when you glue them in, they will "stabilize" each other and make them much sturdier. ) ============================ With all the screwing around and fun with other ways to de-fuk the GUP's, this is in fact the "premier" method. Effective, good one pass purity, no flammables, no pollution, and good safety except for people like Gluefinger Mc Osmoid, whose burned and calloused fingertips attest to the inappropriateness of having him in the vicinity of hot objects. dwarfer



CloudyDaze42 (Stranger) 07-03-02 19:05 No 328521	so let me get this straight....	Bookmark Reply
	Steam distillation will sufficiantly leave swim clean useable feedstock from ephedra plant matter? what about MeOh extracted reds? how about tyvecked 120s? or better yet just a mix a fuked past pill extractions?



dwarfer (Hive Addict) 07-03-02 19:14 No 328523	make you a deal	Bookmark Reply
	Read the whole thread and if you have any questions, drop me a note.... dwarfer

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