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A-BOMB
October 5th, 2001, 01:51 PM
My life now sucks bad, I had a fire in my lab
burnt up every thing chems,tool, my other computer, my soldering station, my power suplies, and it was a freeky fire too. The box of the hexamine at the end of the bench burnt away but the hexamine didn't burn, the second box from the top of a pile of matches caught on fire but the boxes ontop of it and below it didn't burn, a box of m-80's(the real ones not m-88's) didn't go off but one in the middle did. It melted a file on the tool rack, it burnt the handle out of a hammer, the heat caused a can of acetone across the room to swell and explode. And heres the real mirical a 1/2 lb of AP I had on the shelf right next to the fire didn't detonate. And hears the real pitty I lost 8lbs of MG in 400 mesh, 3lbs of AL 200 mesh,
5lbs of kn03, 2 quarts of NH03 1gallon of HCL
5lbs of ferric oxide, 12lbs of AN, 3lbs of doulbe base smokeless 2Lbs of sulfer, 1 magentic sturer, 1 a eletronic scale, a gas mask, and 4 spud guns(3 combustion and 1 pnuemonic) and thats including all my flasks and test tubes racks and equiment and all my other name less tools and what gets me is I have no clue what started it!

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J
October 5th, 2001, 04:04 PM
Review your safety practices. Storing 1/2lb of AP is one thing you should consider not doing again if you value life.

J

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A-BOMB
October 5th, 2001, 04:52 PM
The thing is I knew that the can had 1/2lb of AP in it but after the fire there was only a crusty residue in the bottom of the can. Now I have to clean out the room and make it look like I only did electronics in there and despose of all the other stuff and get the insureincs people to come and give me the money I need to get all new stuff -chemshttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif I don't think they'll pay for those but there is one good thing I get new tools and they pay me to clean the room out and i can exagerate on the tool list alittle. Sometimes it pays to have a little fire.

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DarkAngel
October 5th, 2001, 05:50 PM
That sounds like it whas a pretty big fire your lucky that the whole house didn't burned away.
Where whas you when it happend (Did you start the fire or did you came home and you saw it burning?,other?)
And how did you extinguish it?
How did your parents react?

About one month ago i bought alot of chem's but till i have bought all the necessary safety equipment
i will start with making things (now i only maked a few small things)
Today i bought a fire extinguisher and in a few weeks i will buy lab pot's to store my chem's in,and soon i will buy a few smoke detectors
the last one can wait for some time but i think that if your in this hobby you MUST have a good fire extinguisher,and you need to look out how you store your chem's
As you all could read in an earlyer post of my i had a big accident with KNO3/Suger.
I didn't thought what could happen when i whas melting the KNO3/Suger in a wrong kind of container
since than i think much better what can happen if something would go wrong,(I do most things outside now)
if i didn't had the fire extinguisher than my house would probable had looked diverent.

But the best safety you can have is your sense

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simply RED
October 5th, 2001, 06:17 PM
That seems a very bad accident. Did the magnesium burned, how did you extinguished it? I have seen burning magnesium and it seems extremely destructive...
I wish you cope with the difficulties!

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CodeMason
October 6th, 2001, 12:26 AM
Is it just me or does this sound like a fanciful fairy tale?

EventHorizon
October 6th, 2001, 12:41 AM
I wanna see a picture of the scorched area. Something doesn't sound right here. Boxes of matches burning within a stack. AP melting away without detonating. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif and a butt load of Mg and Al burning without catching the house on fire. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/confused.gif

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CodeMason
October 6th, 2001, 02:16 AM
And how do you lose HCl and HNO<sub>3</sub> in a fire? That would be awfully messy cleanup. And you're right about the Mg and Al, he supposedly lost a shitload of AN as well... burning Al/Mg + ammonium nitrate = a fun time!! What I want to know is how his house didn't EXPLODE!?

Mr Cool
October 6th, 2001, 03:33 PM
Al/Mg + Ammonium Nitrate = a fun time IF MIXED, which I doubt they were.
But yes, it does sound very strange. If he was there to watch the can of acetone swell and explode I bet he has some great scars right now. And five lb's of fine metal powders burning up would do some damage.

CodeMason
October 6th, 2001, 09:32 PM
Mr Cool, it would be very easy for a pile of burning magnesium (with a massive white flame mind you, that would set everything within a 5 metre radius on fire) to combine with a pile of melting, hot AN that was probably (supposedly, if this fire ever even happened) right next to it. You can try it if you like, leave an adequate pile of finely powdered magnesium to burn next to a pile of AN, using relative distances to the size of the pile, and you see if it takes long for it to go boom. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

A-BOMB
October 7th, 2001, 10:47 PM
One It was in the basements anex(wine cellar)
Its built under ground and about 15 feet from the house and its conected to the basement by a small hall way and on the end of the hall is a steal door. And the walls are cement block, so no real damage to walls
only to stuff inside. And the steel door was a good seal only a small amount of smoke got out. Next the parents aren't real mad because they really didn't want me to do this stuff anyway so they wern't mad when a fire burnt all my stuff up. And it couldn't light the house on fire thats why I did that stuff in there. And last I didn't even find out there was a fire till the next day hadn't been in there for a day when this happened. And no one was home we were out on errans the hole day. And this is how i found out there was a fire well the monitor for the computer in my room was out so I when down stairs to the basement to use my computer in my lab which I keep all my formuals on file on, I open the door nothings wrong till I try to turn on the lights and noting happens so I go and get a flashlight and walk down the hall turn to the right and my I smell the fire and i turn around and I kickup some soot and foof there a cloud of dark black soot all over I come out coughing and my face blackend and then my parents smell the smoke that coming out of the room and come down and find out there was a fire and swear at me for hours for making such a mess and tell me to go clean it up and that was in the middle of september and I'm still cleaning up now and atleast I get paid to do so at $12.50 and hour it not so bad and that i clean the room every day since then for at least 3 hours a day and I get all new tool for the ones I lost.

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nbk2000
October 8th, 2001, 03:23 AM
Who the hell gets paid $12.50/hour for cleaning up their own mess?

Sounds bogus.

Pictures, Pictures, Pictures!

And don't say you can't afford a $30 digital camera either.

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DarkAngel
October 8th, 2001, 07:05 AM
And as you said your parents don't like your hobby and now there giving you a chance to re-build your lab by paying you money.

This sounds strange to me

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angelo
October 8th, 2001, 09:47 AM
sounds like bullshit to me.

I think all of us would want to see some proof.

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A-BOMB
October 8th, 2001, 10:08 AM
Sorry no pics of the room but I can get pics of the burnt and chared remains in the rolloff box and the only thing that you can see in the box it my bench I had across the room with all electronic on it and no pic of the room its all cleaned and painted already.
And I get paid by the insureance company for cleaning it (and its $12.50 and hour because thats what the insureance company would pay a clean up crew. And I lost the HCI and HNo3 because the plastic bottles melted away and I didn't see the can of acetone explode I just saw the remains of the ripped open can. And the parents said no chems on my list of what was in there or other fun stuff just all the tool (lockpicks, crowbar,hammer,nails......) I'm glad that they (my parents) pay the extra for the replacement value on the insureance. Now I just need to get the values of every thing that was in there so i can get my check to go get new tools and shuch.

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nbk2000
October 8th, 2001, 10:43 AM
I ain't buying that excuse.

On october 3rd, you posted (what appeared to be) a topic about how your shit had blown up and that you'd be gone and everythings different now, etc. YOU certainly gave the impression of having just typed it up immediately after this horrible "accident".

Now, less than a week later, you're saying this happened the middle of last month, in an underground bunker (practically), and that there's not a trace of it left? I'm not believing you., and neither is anyone else.

Take the God damn pictures anyways. Starting from the hallway and working towards the steel door, than the room itself, and melted wreckage, and all the debris that ANY fire leaves behind.

Otherwise, prepare for HED.

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DarkAngel
October 8th, 2001, 03:26 PM
Posted at 1 October by A-BOMB:
"I was just wondering if there were any AN flash comp's I never saw formula for one so I wanted to ask, and the reason is -->I have a a lot of AN in my lab<-- to use and nothing to use it on"

Posted by A-BOMB at 5 October:
And hears the real pitty I lost 8lbs of MG in 400 mesh, 3lbs of AL 200 mesh,
5lbs of kn03, 2 quarts of NH03 1gallon of HCL
5lbs of ferric oxide, ---->12lbs of AN<----

Posted by A-BOMB at 7 October:
",,,was a fire and swear at me for hours for making such a mess and tell me to go clean it up and that was in
-->the middle of september<-- and I'm still cleaning up now,,"

If im wrong sorry but how do you explain this?

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A-BOMB
October 8th, 2001, 03:35 PM
NBK, I think that it was sept 17 not 3 that I posted that and it happend the day before so it wasn't exaclty the middle of the month and I was going give up my evil ways, but now I'm not so sure I do have a shippment on chems on the way that still hasn't got here even though I ordered it on september 10th and I will post the pic of the rolloff box and I was wrong to say it was a wine cellar it was our pump house for our well before we got city water.

And darkangel I didn't lose all the AN just that 12 lbs the rest I still have I had 30lbs. And I still have some other chems just not many. And that post on the 7th is me recalling what happened on sept 16 and how much my parents swore at me after they found out there was a fire, and when I say that I'm still cleaning is that I had to scrub the walls cleans then 2 coats of primer and then I had to paint 3 coats, then replace the wiring and lights. And I wanted to know If theres any AN flash comps so I can use up some of the more blacken bottles of AN.

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nbk2000
October 8th, 2001, 05:43 PM
Oopps. My mistake.

I confused simply reds "my life sucked" post with how his shit blew up, with your fire. That's what happens when you've been up 30 hours straight.

So,

(everyone prepare to archive this moment because it's the first time it's ever happened, and probably the last time too)

I'm sorry.

>BUT<

We still want pictures.



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PYRO500
October 8th, 2001, 06:23 PM
hey, nbk, where have you seen a 30$ digital camera? I would be interested...

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Donutty
October 8th, 2001, 06:25 PM
"And I get paid by the insureance company for cleaning it (and its $12.50 and hour because thats what the insureance company would pay a clean up crew)."

Which sort of insurance company lets someone claim for a fire in a lab containing illegal explosives??

Don't you need an expert opinion to claim for fires of this sort??

"Sorry no pics of the room but I can get pics of the burnt and chared remains in the rolloff box and the only thing that you can see in the box it my bench I had across the room with all electronic on it and no pic of the room its all cleaned and painted already."

So why not a picture of this lovely new painted room?

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A-BOMB
October 8th, 2001, 07:26 PM
Ok, a pic of the room and the rolloff box and I said on the insureance claim sheet that I did electronics in there which was pratialy true and that some electronic componite must of started, and where can I get one of those $30 digital cameras too and I need time to get the pics for the cable for my camera was in the lab hooked up to my old computer. I'll get a cable later today.

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CodeMason
October 8th, 2001, 08:40 PM
I have only seen cheap (equivalent to $30 US) digital cameras on the web, never in real life.

EP
October 9th, 2001, 01:17 AM
The only $30 cameras I have seen are the crappy web cams that hook up to your computer. If you felt like moving your computer into this fried room that would work... I have seen crappy real digital cams for around $50.

nbk2000
October 9th, 2001, 05:25 AM
Wal-Mart, CompUSA, and Frys have all had them for $30 or less. And I saw them in perason, so they were really available. Bottom of the barrel, Lo-res toys, but functional enough.

I'd go with a $50 JamCam. 10 second timer, flash, and other goodies.

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mark
October 9th, 2001, 08:41 PM
What amazes me is that he's under 21 yet has all of those chemicals. For instice, how does one stumble uppon 8lbs of mg? Or 3lbs of smokless powder? And, if Im correct, 8lbs of burning magnesium would set off ap that was under water! It would probobly melt the door too! I dont believe this for an instant.

DarkAngel
October 10th, 2001, 03:26 AM
Maybe you have problems finding chem's but alot of us are under 21 and have alot of chem's.
Age doesn't matter it's just that you need to live in the right place (So you know the right store's)and you need to know to right people.

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megalomania
October 10th, 2001, 03:54 AM
The description of that wine cellar sounds accurate, I knew a guy who had one just like it, very nice. It is quite possible that a fire in a closed room, with no ventilation, could have smoldered and slowly heated up over time. Most of the chems (even AP) would have melted, vaporized, and burned (yes you can burn AP without detonation if the temp slowly rises). The metals probably melted into large masses rendering them rather non-flammible. There would be plenty of stuff in there to eat up oxygen to prevent a big fire or explosion, so I can see how this could be true.

Oh, did you happen to mention my 65" widescreen Hi-def TV I loaned you to the insurance guy? http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

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EventHorizon
October 10th, 2001, 12:02 PM
Hmmm, much like spontaneous combustion.

A pic is worth a thousand words...unless posted by Victim. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif

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James
October 15th, 2001, 04:53 PM
I suppose it's too late to look for the charred remnants of frank footwear.

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-A-
October 17th, 2001, 03:07 PM
Damn, 8 lbs. of Mg burning?. That would produce a light visible through the wall!! hahaha