RTPB/Video Editing

[RTC]

I have asked this question in the UK forum, with not much reply, and as many of you on this forum rip, and edit video files, I ask this question to you.
I need a program wherein you can select a part of film, and then export/save it. (it's an avi film file)
As the video's are to your's and to the main extent NBK's profit, as they deal with petty crimes, use of improvised weapons on pigs, how to terrorise and so on.
I've downloaded the programs on www.divx-digest.com (http://www.divx-digest.com) link given to me by J, but all these seem to do is edit out a few of the frames of the file, or simply cut the file into differant segments of file size.
So, anything that is easy to use, and for the windohs platform (32bit), would be of great value.

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[This message has been edited by RTC (edited December 18, 2001).]

[nbk2000]

http://webusenet-sjo.tucows.com/mmedia/medit95.html

Once you find something you like, if it isn't freeware, go to www.google.com (http://www.google.com) and paste in the following:

"?" * -teen -sex -free -credit -casino

? = name of program. Be sure the include the ""

* = crack or serial or patch. Use only one word at a time. DON'T include "or".

Then surf through the results till you find a working fix.

Simple. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

And don't mention my RTPB in your posts again.

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[EventHorizon]

Get virtualdub. It works good for cropping and converting avi's and mpgs.

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[ALENGOSVIG1]

Get adobe Premeir. i may have a copy around here somewhere. If i find it ill let you know. search some warez sites and you should find it.

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[nbk2000]

I've got Adobe Premier 5.1c. It's very powerful, but it requires a high-end computer, lots of time for rendering (days for rendering if your doing a garage remake of "Blair Witch Project", and has a high learning curve.

If you're already familiar with adobe products, then you'll find the layouts familiar. Otherwise, expect to invest several weeks of dinking around to figure it out.

Adobe Premier 6 is supposedly a significant improvement in render time and sound synching. *COUGH*reminder*COUGH*! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

These are also rather large files. 5.1 is 26MB in size. Version 6 is more than 40MB. Which is small compared to their Acrobat (98MB) or Photoshop (106MB) programs.

Since you're looking for something simple to use, get TMPGEnc to convert .avi to .mpg, then use IFilm Edit to edit the clip to your preference. Get the cracks for the above programs if you plan to do a lot of video editing.

MPEG is usually more compact than .AVI and has better compatibility if you stay away from mp2 or divx version. You can reduce a video file to 1/3rd or less of it's original size if you encode it to a RealVideo File. Warez versions are around of Real Producer Plus 8.5. It'll be around 6.5Mb in size.

SCAN it for viruses first! I picked up a copy of Real Producer that had the Chernobyl virus that wiped out my hard drive and it took me months to the data back.

I've converted my videos to RV8 format because it saves a lot of time uploading/downloading.

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Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[This message has been edited by nbk2000 (edited December 20, 2001).]

[RTC]

Yes, I've found a program that edit's the avi's. And I've downloaded the copy of RealProducer Plus 8.5 you uploaded to the FTP NBK. So thanks for that. as far as the editing goes, I've almost done, but when I try to upload it to my yahoo briefcase, it finishes the upload then give's me a error page and the upload doesn't go through, I don't know why this is, but it's getting very annoying, does anyone know where I can upload 5mb files?

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[nbk2000]

Are your files 5MB or larger, even after converting to RealVideo format?

If so, I'd choose the next lower resolution level and redo it. Also, choose 2 pass encoding and variable bitrate encoding. This also reduces file size.

You could also use HJsplit to cut it into smaller sized chunks so it'll fit in the Yahoo! briefcase.

It's getting increasingly hard to find decent free file storage on the net.

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"I have begun evil, I shall end evil. That is the end that awaits me."

Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[RTC]

It's true about finding free space that will host anything over a few hundred KB these days. All the videos are under 5mb, the reason there so large is some of them are 10 to 20mins long, there either in single IDSN or Dual LAN format. So not too bad quality, I've just tried uploading a 4mb file again, only to get another 404. This is getting very annoying very quickly. I've emailed Yahoo about it, they said it must be a fault my end, which I doubt, as I've only just installed a new hard drive (which im runnin now) with a fresh install of windows, so it's not a problem my end.
If I cannot find anywhere else to upload (if yahoo works) it'll mean splitting the files into 500kb files which is going to be annoying downloading 10files. But if that's what needs be done, that so be it.. sadly.

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[EventHorizon]

NBK, you seem rather knowledgable on the different video formats. I tried one of the realproducer 6.something versions but the files didn't look as good as mpeg4 nor were as compressed. Maybe v8 improved that. I'll try to find it as well as Adobe Premeir(if you already have a link handy please email it, thanks). So far virtualdub has been the easiest/fastest to use that I've tried.

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[SATANIC]

i have adobe premiere 6.0 and theres no way i can ever learn to use it. i got it + serial number from a friend, and was using it to compile my comp. graphics major. (also using a crack, this time for lightwave - the best 3D program around, and relatively easy to use. ) anyway, i cannot upload it, as i have hardly any time, and am limited to a few hours on the net at any time. the program is in a zipped .exe file, and is actually nearly 100Mb. if there is any one in australia that would like it, i can send it on cd. then maybe they could upload it somewhere for everyone else.

it can output in real player format, (.rm etc.) which is good, but the size difference is minimal.

the only thing i need now, is to learn how to use it. if you find any good tutorials, please put a link in this topic. - don't go too far, i can't say i've actually looked too much for them yet, though the help file that came with it is useless.

[nbk2000]

Out of the kindness of my Grinch black heart, I'm uploading Adobe Premier 5.1c for you guys.

I've split it into 1MB sized chunks using HJsplit, which you'll need to reassemble the file.

I'm uploading 4 parts each day to the following briefcases.

Parts 1&2 to http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2ooo

AND

parts 3&4 to http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k

Since the file is about 20MB total in 25 parts, and I'm uploading 4MB/4 parts per day, that means you'll have the whole program (worth $500+) as a late Christmas present.

Now, a few details.

I'm only doing this once, and I'm deleting the old file parts before I replace them with the new ones.

So if you miss a piece, or it's corrupted, or the briefcase has exceeded it's download limit or you're too stupid to figure out how to download it....tough shit. I've been through all that shit before and have no patience for it.

You'll have to post here to ask "Hey, anyone got part #? Can you e-mail it to name@wherever.com".

RTC, I've noticed with Yahoo! that (on a dial up connection) that the larger the file you're trying to upload, the more likely you are to get an error. A 5MB file will almost never go through, and little 500KB files will no problem.

Your probability of success increases if you do it at like 3 in the morning. Probably because of less server traffic.

So if the only way you can upload it is in <1MB sized chunks, then that's what you have to do. Use HJsplit since that's pretty much the standard here.

RealVideo is never going to look as good as a DIVX mpeg4 video. But it's more than acceptable for what we post. It's all a matter of selecting the proper settings for what it is that you are are converting.

Since most people here are posting pictures of explosions, it doesn't have to be as clear as a Hollywood movie.

And I get anywhere from a reduction to 1/3rd original size with resolution almost equal to the original with few artifacts, to 1/60 and at the minimal setting.

For instance, I reduced a 612MB .mpg of "Agent Aika" (hentai movie) to 15MB in slideshow setting. A reduction to 1/40th of original size.

The picture changes every couple of seconds and is quite clear (since it is animation), and the sound is acceptable.

Anyways, watch this post because I'll be posting the new part numbers here when I finish with the new daily uploads.

Remember, you'll have 24 hours or less to get the parts, so download them while you can.

Have fun.

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Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[EventHorizon]

Thank you NBK, [brown nose]You are a kind and generous G_mOD![/brown nose] :D

Although the d/l's only took a minute or two. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif

Wish Ctrl_C had that FTP back up, it was rather useful.

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[nbk2000]

Sure, rub it in (pun) why not.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/ubb/icons/icon18.gif

Takes me about 10 minutes each part to upload because of a crappy 26K connection speed.

I usual detest multi-part, multi-day downloads (one of the banes of porn surfing), but am forced to by Yahoos! stubborn refusal to give me my own server. http://assaultweb.net/ubb/icons/icon7.gif

If I put it all up at one time in one place, the first one or two persons to download it would lock out others for a day or two because it would have used up the allowable bandwidth.

But since you can only download 2MB per day per site, it allows several dozen people to get their share.

Speaking of which, they don't TELL you how much bandwidth they allow before they cut you off. It may be 10MB or 100MB, don't know for sure. They like to keep you guessing, the BASTARDS!

PS: All brown nosing gratefully accepted since I've run out of toilet paper for now. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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"I have begun evil, I shall end evil. That is the end that awaits me."

Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[RTC]

Firstly, thanks for uploading that program for everyone. Secondly, I've uploaded one 5mb file (just happend to be at 4:27am) So I guess I will have to rip them into 1000kb file's. and upload them like that, I'll post the link to where I've uploaded them when i'm done.
And as an end note, the video I captured is not too good quality due to poor "capturing" tools. It's not bad and watchable, so don't expect too much.

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We have assembled here today to teach you all a little lesson. One cannot remain on top for years while closing one's mind to the influence of others. I will demonstrate the true meaning of inovation for all you to see.

[This message has been edited by RTC (edited December 22, 2001).]

[RTC]

http://briefcase.yahoo.com/martin2kforum

And good news I've just brought a brand new spankinly good tv capture card, so I'll be trying to convert some video's I've got.



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[megalomania]

I don't if any of these progs really work, but try some of them for getting around yahoo's restrictions.

http://www.geocities.com/yleecher/

Yahoo! Mage, Leech, Hack, and Byte Remover.

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[PYRO500]

Well after experementing with boolean expression I managed to come up with a working download site for adobe premier 6 and crack the site looks abandoned but the link works for me. I am downloading it right now. here's the link http://orbita.starmedia.com/dreamgames2k/dw-temp/appz1.htm


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[This message has been edited by PYRO500 (edited December 23, 2001).]

[EP]

Geoshitties is surprisingly generous with files. They have a 50mg max but no file size limit (that I know of). I have 4MG+ videos uploaded with no problem.

[PYRO500]

Where have you been? you can no longer normaly download anthing besides content for web pages, they also made it so you can't link to things. maybee it'd be possible to rename a zip something like .bmp and change it back when you get it, I have not tried so I do not know if they check the first few bytes in the file (usually identifyer) such as in exe's witch are usually MZ as their identifyer

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[nbk2000]

Parts 5 through 8 have been upped.

Pyro, let us know if the prog works, eh?

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"I have begun evil, I shall end evil. That is the end that awaits me."

Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[PYRO500]

I have it working on my computer now, I just downloaded a crack for it provided at the same website beacuse it is a trial 30 day version. I am going to crack it I will let you know how that goes

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[EP]

PYRO500 - Are you talking to me? Because my site seems to be working fine...check it for yourself and tell me if it works for you:

http://www.geocities.com/extremepyro99/index.html

[RTC]

Just a quick note. You might want to scan that program you downloaded with a virus/trojan scanner if you hanven't already.

As many warez programs are filled with such things.

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We have assembled here today to teach you all a little lesson. One cannot remain on top for years while closing one's mind to the influence of others. I will demonstrate the true meaning of inovation for all you to see.

[PYRO500]

Yes, I scanned it before and after I installed it. both times negative for virii.
EP, I was talking to you but I ment that goecities will no longer let you download stuff like zips from their site anymore. most things like movies and pictures are ok though.

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[nbk2000]

Parts 9-12 uploaded.

I downloaded AP6 last night, virus scanned it and the crack (clean), installed, and used it. It works.

Though it is overkill and too complex for beginners.

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"I have begun evil, I shall end evil. That is the end that awaits me."

Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[PYRO500]

I liked the program altough I have experience with linear editing machines and non linear mac editor machines (hey they may be mac's but their fast!, probably a byproduct of the software and hardware being made by the same people) they rule for video editing, but suck for anything else. I like the drag and drop approach to manual dubbing, anyone ever use a high speed video dubbing system?

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[nbk2000]

I tried out AP6 today on a video tape I had gotten from "Crimson Trace" (gun laser manufacturers). It was about 15 minutes long with some good basic info, but too much "Buy our product" crap thrown in.

So, off to the capture and edit.

Firstly, AP6 DOESN'T support the .mp2 video format, which really sucks since .mp2 stands to replace .mpg as the new standard. Plus my video card records in .mp2. I have to use a round-about conversion to make editable .mpg video.

Nextly, it still takes forever and a day for rendering, which I had hoped would have been cut down significantly compared to AP5.

40 minutes to render a 3 minute video with NO transitions or effects, just simple cut and splice editing.

It does offer many different options for encoding to various formats like Quicktime .MOV, RealVideo, .AVI, .WMV, .ASF, and .MPG.

But the RealVideo encoder it comes with is obsolesent, using the G2 codec. The stand-alone Producer 8.5 I got encodes to the latest RealVideo 8 codec.

The good thing about the integrated RealVideo encoder is that it doesn't take forever to render. It's just as quick to encode a prerendered project as a finished and saved file.

The .MPG encoder seems a little weird in that the horizontial lines are blocky enough to be noticable. Maybe something in the settings that needs adjusting, or could be a flaw in the .MPG encoder.

The transitions are STILL a pain in the ass to use and visualize.

I think I'll stick to using IFilm Edit for the rough editing of segments, using AP6 for the final assembly and effects. It's just too powerful to use for simple segment editing. Like using a porsche to get milk from the corner store.

Anyways, I posted the finished 4 minute video to my briefcase. It's less than 4MB in size. I've renamed the extension to .bin to keep people from trying to watch it via streaming. Just save to your computer and rename the extension to .rm to watch it using Real Player 8. No backward compatibilty here! Look to the future, not the past.Off to try my hand at an anime music video while I still have a good hallucinatory buzz going on. If I can sty awak.


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"I have begun evil, I shall end evil. That is the end that awaits me."

Go here (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/nbk2k) to download the NBK2000 files and videos.

[nbk2000]

Parts 13-16 upped.

[PYRO500]

there is an advantage to using premier, you can export the movie to a filmstip file (.flm) witch is a huge image of all the frames witch you can easily edit in photoshop, I made lightsabre like effects and it is possible to make pixilations of faces and such to hide identifying marks.

[RTC]

I've just downloaded the Premiere, and it looks good, although I'm stuck into reading the tut's at the moment.

That .flm you were talking about sounds good, but can you re-import the .flm back into a watchable movie media?

[PYRO500]

Yes you can, it is all automatic, you get a giant grid with frames on it and you edit the frames and not the gray dividers! then you open it with premier again and can turn it back to premier format, it is pretty easy but it is a resorce hog here is a simple demonstration of the technique:

<a href="http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/light-saber.htm" target="_blank">http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/light-saber.htm</a>

[RTC]

Well im not impressed with this Premiere, a 30second avi file was 20mb, but in the flm format, it's 1.2GB, I could make all the frames into bitmaps frame for frame and it'll only come upto 120mb, then use another program to incorp them all back into an avi file. saving a huge time.

[nbk2000]

Then do so and tell the rest of us how you did it.

[RTC]

BMP to AVI, JPEG to AVI, (in fact any format other than GIF) <a href="http://www.stellar-image.com/files/Convert.exe" target="_blank">http://www.stellar-image.com/files/Convert.exe</a>

AVI to BMP <a href="http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0,10152,0-10091-110-1477547,00.html?gid=52237&url=http%3A%2F%2Fperso%2Eclub%2Dinternet%2Efr%2Fya nnduv%2Futils%2Favitobmp%2Ezip" target="_blank">http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0,10152,0-10091-110-1477547,00.html?gid=52237&url=http%3A%2F%2Fperso%2Eclub%2Dinternet%2Efr%2Fya nnduv%2Futils%2Favitobmp%2Ezip</a>

That's how.

[PYRO500]

Really, and what is this magical program? you don't want to just turn all the frames into bitmaps, you want true to frame pictures incorporated into one image, this lets you see minute changes.

[RTC]

All the second program does, is for every frame there is (say the film has 400frames you'll have 400bitmaps) then all you do with the first program is drag and drop the pics you want to incorp into a avi file into the drop selection click on convert and away you go.

No need for all this 160mb programs when 4mb will surfice.

[PYRO500]

Oh, I know what you are talking about and it will take you forever to rotoscope a file with this software, I would stick to filmstrip files unless you want to open and edit scores of bitmap images. this is only good for conversion, I have not tried it yet so I cant comment on speed I will eventually get around to it.

[nbk2000]

If you add up all the different programs that you'd have to get to be able to do everything AP6 can do, you'd use up as much space or more.

PLUS, you'd have to learn how to use all this different programs, close one to open another, plus who knows how well they'll behave with each other. And free stuff (while great) tends to be very rough.

Whereas, if you use AP6, you have everything integrated into a single program that you only have to learn once. Then you can convert from one format to any other, apply effects, edit sound, export/import to/from various sources, and lots of other things I've never learned to use.

All in one program that's been around for years and used by professional videographers with thousands of websites with all kinds of tricks and techniques.

Can't say that for the things you mentioned.

Yes, if you're ONLY going to do a particular thing, than you don't need AP6. But, if you're planning on doing a lot of video, why nickel and dime yourself silly? Get it all now.

[PYRO500]

I find AP6 the best software I have ever seen, and I have seen some pretty impressive stuff at a video nonlinear editing equipment convention, if your computer can run this, than go for it! I like being able to sae partially done movies and edit them from where I left off, also you can lay everything out right and from experience (and eyeballing you can get it right without needing to render it a second time. I say the benifits outweigh the cons. I am talking from experience to, I have a crappy K6-2 333 with 128 mb ram and I love ap6.