If anyone wants AgNO3, look on eBay.

[Mr Cool]

400g, no bids yet, currently on $7.99. US only :-(. The same amount from a chem supplier would cost a LOT, so if you want some, bid now...
There's also some other interesting stuff, for sale by chembroker.

That's all, pointless post really.

[ALENGOSVIG1]

I've gotten stuff from him before. Theres loads of awsome stuff on ebay. Glassware too. I bought a 4000 ml flask for like 10 bucks.

[J]

I personally wouldn't risk buying chems from a person advertising in a high profile public-ad place like ebay. It's conceivable that this could be some info gathering by the police. Once they have your details, they can investigate further, without you knowing.

They're probably more concerned with drugs than pyro, but that's no reason not to worry. Just bare it in mind.

[wantsomfet]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">I personally wouldn't risk buying chems from a person advertising in a high profile public-ad place like ebay. It's conceivable that this could be some info gathering by the police. Once they have your details, they can investigate further, without you knowing.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">I agree, it's NOT advisable to buy/sell (restricted) chemicals @ ebay, the chanche you will get caught is rather big. Believe me.

[vulture]

What's the fuzz about AgNO3??
O, wait a sec:
"Explosionhazard when recristallized from ethanol/water solution"
However, there are no illicit uses i'm aware of.

[ALENGOSVIG1]

You just have to be carefull what you buy and you will be safe.

[Pu239 Stuchtiger]

I wouldn't buy anything on ebay that is an oxidizer (oxidizing acids included); I wouldn't buy sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide in concentrations over 6%, iodine, phosphorous, ammonium nitrate (duh), pentaerythritol (there really is no reason for someone to purchase that except to prepare PETN), any cyanide, etcetra... do not buy anything that is an illegal drug precursor, extremely poisonous, or an oxidizer. If you can, do not buy anything from anywhere outside of local stores. I do that, and I have been able to prepare almost every energetic material that people here have been able to. One can get almost any chemical they want from local sources, or synthesize it from the chemicals you can acquire locally. One can also get glassware from surplus stores... look around for one at a nearby city. I can get my glassware dirt cheap from there, and it is high quality. A 300mL borosilicate glass beaker costs $2 there; everything else is similarily cheap.

[vulture]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> pentaerythritol (there really is no reason for someone to purchase that except to prepare PETN)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">90% of the total pentaerythritol production is being used in painting applications, for making coatings etc.

<small>[ March 20, 2002, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: vulture ]</small>

[nbk2000]

If you can find a paint product we can buy that's mainly PE, then I'm all ears.

[vulture]

It's being used to produce lacquers and alkydresins in the industry.
Esters with high carbon fatty acids (this text is translated from german) serve as oil additives, softeners and emulgators.
Source: Rompp-Thieme, Kompakt Basislexikon Chemie, german

So you'll have to steal it from a firm that produces that stuff.

[mongo blongo]

Yes, he's right: <a href="http://www.herc.com/mcw/community/pent.html" target="_blank">http://www.herc.com/mcw/community/pent.html</a>
I would love to have a PE factory like that in my back garden. :)

[Mr Cool]

So, find out which polyesters contain PE, and hydrolise them with H2SO4 in aqueous soln. Remove the fatty acid with a non-polar solvent, neutralise the H2SO4 in the PE soln with Ca(OH)2, filter out the CaSO4 with good filter paper, reduce the volume of the soln, and let it crystalise. Et voila! PE!
Maybe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[mongo blongo]

Yes ..Good idea (you have some GOOD ideas Mr Cool, I must say)!
But I think it may depend on what other shit that they may put in which they don't tell us about!
The resin which they use will be the largest % of the polyester compound (before adding pigments, UV additives, etc)
I wonder if they change the PE (chemically) before it is used?

[TheBicher]

Going back to the topic of the police collecting info or whatever, if you are going to buy on ebay you should look at how much money an auction for the item has ended at before and then offer to buy the item from the seller directly. That way there are no records on ebay and you only have to worry about the seller being a cop. For added precaution I would rent a mailbox from an apartment building or shiping store and pay for the box and chemicals with cash. As you can see i'm paranoid of being tracked or investigated (though not likely) and personaly would not buy chemicals on the internet, especially after september 11th.

[xoo1246]

If ebay is beeing monitored, how big is the chance this forum is not?

[TheBicher]

That is true, Xoo, but if you buy from eBay the cops could get some concrete evidence against you. Just having us post here probably would not get an arrest/search warrant, but actually buying a chemical could give the police enough to arrest or begin to investigate you. Like J said, they probably won't be that interested in going after a harmless pyro, but I personaly don't like to take my chances. Like I say, once you fuck up you're fucked.

[Polverone]

It's about risk assessment. Say you need/want AgNO3. What are the potential consequences of buying it, either in person or mail order/over the internet? What are the risks of making it yourself? I'd just buy it if you really think you need it. Far more "suspicious" to buy the HNO3 you'd need to make it yourself from bullion silver. I can walk in to a local chemical supplier, buy any chemical they have in stock with cash (assuming it's not DEA regulated), and walk out. No ID, no fuss, no paranoia. I don't do this though because those bastards only seem to stock large containers of analytical reagents and they are EXPENSIVE. So I end up shopping on the internet.

You can make a wide variety of chemicals using only consumer products as sources. But there's more personal risk, trouble, impurities, etc. if you try to do complicated synthesis starting with mystery grade materials from Wal-Mart. If the police (at least in the US) really want to screw you over they'll do it whether or not you ever bought stuff online. I'm sure it's more suspicious should the authorities ever investigate your "home lab" that has nothing but acids, oxidizers, flammable solids, and a few solvents in it (as opposed to a well rounded stock of chemicals.)

I do not believe that every chemical purchase has to be recorded, unless you include DEA listed chemicals with your order. Your purchase record and home address certainly don't get sent to a secret police database every time you buy potassium chlorate. If you buy DEA listed chemicals the police can examine those records on demand. Chem suppliers are also required to report "suspicious sales" - so don't act suspicious! California requires all lab equipment/chemical sales over $100 to be reported. Solution? If you're buying in California don't buy more than $100 worth at a time. Don't try to buy all your explosive/pyrotechnic chemicals from one dealer in California either, since they are also required to report suspicious sales that look like they might be used for bomb making. I have been scouring the net for further information on recordkeeping requirements in chemical sales. I cannot find anything mandated on a national level that does not mention DEA List I or II chemicals, or its "Special Surveillance List." It is impossible to prove a negative, but it looks like it is at least unlikely that there are regular or automated inspections of general chemical purchases, or that records must be kept by the sellers.

There are some chemical distributors who sympathize with the plight of individuals ordering chemicals in this chemical-frightened age. Others will probably toss you to the wolves if they think it will save them some trouble. All remarks about the law apply, of course, only to the US.

[CyclonitePyro]

I noticed a while ago that many people really get ripped off buying chems on ebay. So I would go to the bid history and email every person who bid on something like KNO3 for 12.00 dollars a pound or some other outrageous price, and I would give them the URL for pyrotek, firefox and skylighter. One of these people who I had emailed told the seller of one of the auctions and the seller contacted me and told me he was going to take legal actions for interfering with his business(of ripping people off, that fucking scheister :mad: ) well he hasn't emailed me again for a while so I think he was either trying to scare me off or he found out what I was doing wasn't actually wrong.
But then my American capitalist side showed and I think I'm going to put up auctions selling info for cheap chemical sources. That way I can hurt this dickheads business while profiting. :p

[Jack Ruby]

There is a few words that just seem to fit some nicely;

:rolleyes: "God Bless America" :rolleyes: