school sanctioned explosives demo....schweet!

[Ctrl_C]

welp, i got preliminary permission to do an explosives demo at school as a project for my AP chem class. i think i'll make RDX and detonate it in a sandbag square on the football practice field.

obviously nobody has ever done this so far so i'm kinda going into this blind. what kind of permits am i going to need? do i call the fire marshall or bomb disposal or what? are sandbags sufficent protection i would think so)? electrical detonation? gimme suggestions.

[Bitter]

I don't think using a high explosive is a particularly good idea. You may attract too much 'attention'.

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[nbk2000]

I'm looking into my crystal ball of evil.......

I see expulsion from school following media expose of "Terror in School!" about students making explosives in (former) teachers chem class.

Followed by felony charges with possible plea bargining to avoid prison, but with a permanent felony record and lose of your right to buy guns.

In other words...ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY!?

WTF are you thinking, doing an explosives demo at school? The very fact that your teacher agreed to it should scare you.

Remember columbine? I'm sure they do. Probably already talked to the police who are just waiting for you to get your shit together for the demo before thay make a "demo" out of you.

"Tonight, on News at Eleven: Tragedy was averted today when a disgruntled student, armed with bombs and explosives, came to school to show his class what he was going to do to them by blowing up the schools football field.

(interview with kid who hates you):
"Yeah, he never seemed like he was one of us. He felt superior to us and kept to himself. I heard him talking to the teacher once about explosives and it frightened me. I'm glad they caught him before he could hurt anyone."

(Translation):
"He never wanted to hang out with losers like us who're only interested in school football,snorting crank, and fucking HO's. He'd rather learn things than hang, so we're glad the smart guy got busted for doing science stuff we can't understand."

Since you've already mentioned it, it's probabably too late. The only out I see is to do some totally kewl shit like pressure bottle bombs and strawberry pop-tart torches (which isn't kewl in the proper context).

Then, when the piggies go to bust you, they see harmless kiddie shit, rather than some teen terrorist with plastique and shaped charges.

Are you getting my point yet?


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[radar]

Heheh, that would be a badass demo. I would make the teacher sign some kind of document stating that it was OK with him/her or something like that. Make it very scientific looking with a small charge of less than 25 grams. Include a written portion that states the science behind it. I dont think you'll get busted, I mean, your a kid, your not "responsible for your actions."

[nbk2000]

In some states you can be tried as an adult and sent to death row at 14 years old. So the "too young to be responsible" excuse ain't happening anymore.

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[Anthony]

Way too high profile for my liking. This is one of the kind of hobbies you should keep to yourself.

As for permits, IIRC you'd need an explosives manufacturing license also an explosives handling license (former probably much harder to get). To be legal it'd be a heap of paperwork, training courses and probably inspections.

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[10fingers]

What the hell kinda school do you go to? It is doubtful your teacher checked into this thoroughly. The authorities would never allow it.
You need an explosives handling license to get a permit. Even if you had a license they are not going to give you a permit to set something off anywhere near a school.
If you do this anyway, you will be in some seriously deep shit.

[This message has been edited by 10fingers (edited October 16, 2001).]

[mark]

Hydrogen balloons are common place at some schools. Bring one of those.

[a_bab]

Hey, Ctrl_C, don't "cut your own throat", we still need your FTP server http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

I told only once to my chemistry teacher that I made some silver acetilyde and she went hysterical, and it was close to take me to the school's principal. But I hardly convinced her that 'I've made a very small batch'. After that, I urderstood that such a hobby is better not to be known by others. 'They' don't see in you only a freak, but a danger to themselves. And they may try to defence by reporting your facts to the police. Oh, 'they' don't know what they are losing...Explosives are cool. Anyway...I'm tired as hell now.

Why are you not trying to impress your classmates and biology teacher with some antrax bacterias (culture) ? I guess that the end it would be 'easier' for you than with explosives...

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[CyclonitePyro]

What would you use as a detonator? You can't just bring a detcap made at home. In biology class I play dumb and never answer any questions relating to chemistry, no one suspects the kid who wasn't interested when the labware and chems are missing. I don't really think your teacher is going to try to get you in trouble, all of my science teachers in the past showed signs that they were pyro-ish, your teacher probably doesn't realize how serious and strict the laws on explosives are.
Just say that you would rather do something else because making an explosive compound would be more boring than something like demonstrating the principals of gravity,(something lame like that).

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[CodeMason]

This is certainly suicide. I only narrowly averted the cops for bringing a small firecracker to school, and fireworks are strictly illegal here. I told the teacher it was cap gun cap and got away with it. With the current war on Afghanistan, now is even worse of a time to be doing it. Unless we've all over stepped the mark and he has a liscence or something. But I've never heard of a teenager with a liscence.

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[EP]

Because you can't get one as a teen...21+ only.

[Ctrl_C]

ahemmm...did i not mention that they approve of this?

its not like im going to bring in a grenade and throw it from a window or something. i will be using their chems, lab, etc, and everything will be prepared on site over however many days is needed. what permits i cannot get, my teach will.

its going to be very scientific and i hope it is viewed as a learning experience rather than some terrorist/columbine deal.

im not talking real extravagent even, maybe 1/2 brick of c4 or pure rdx or something. AP would be much easier but less fun and too unstable.

i can get referrals and suggestions from other chemists if for some reason they decide it is too dangerous.

now back to my original question, what kind of permits will i need and who should i inform?

oh yeah, im going to get school board approval also as soon as i write a proposal but want to know what will be involved before i do so.

[This message has been edited by Ctrl_C (edited October 16, 2001).]

[EventHorizon]

ATF or local Sheriff's office would be the place to call...but I would think thats like asking a SWAT team the best way to rob a particular bank and give them a specific day you're gonna do it.
I seriously doubt that any school would allow that type of 'experimenting'. If they are serious and ARE going to allow it, then I'd be VERY careful(read, "almost paranoid") about it and watch for any type of trap.

Getting any type of letter from the teacher etc is useless...if I write you a letter saying its OK to kill someone, that doesn't make it legal to do so.

Watch your 6 and good luck.


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[nbk2000]

Well firstly, what country are you in ctrl_c? That may be the difference between prison and a neat school project.

Most scandanavian (SP?) countries are much more relaxed about chemical experiments and such, mainly because they don't have any problems with idiots blowing up their schools.

Now britan or US, on the other hand, will ream you out a new asshole if you get caught with anything bigger than a gnats fart.

Either way, if the school says it's cool, then get it in writing from teacher, principal, and school board, along with your parents. Get notarized copies made, and leave them with an attorney so they don't "disappear" at the time of greatest need.

This way, if shit comes down on you about it, they can't say "we didn't know" or "we didn't mean that" or "we're not responsible, they (anyone else) are responsible".

Now, if you can legally do this (BIG IF), you should notify the local fire department (in case of fire), police captain (so they know any 911 calls from the area about it aren't an emergency), and hospital (in case you fuck up).

Don't tell the ATF for gods sake! Remember Waco? Or Ruby Ridge? There's a saying that BATF stands for "Burn All Toddlers First". http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif

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[10fingers]

If you are serious about doing this you might as well call the local fire department or cop shop and ask them what type of permit you need. They're going to find out about it anyway.
Oh yeah, let us all know what day you're doing it so we can watch the news.

[EP]

You didnt say that your teacher would get the permits needed. Even if (IF!) the teacher does, it still sounds like too much work (and risk) just to impress some high schoolers.

[Microtek]

When I was in college you had to do a project of your own choice in the advanced scientific courses. One of my fellow students thought of something that I rather envied him for: He wanted to measure detonation effects of high explosives. The teacher in charge agreed to check out the viability of the project, and contacted the engineering division of the army ( they are the ones that handle bomb disposal here ).
They agreed to let him experiment in one of their testing sites, probably a bunker, with stuff like NG and C4, maybe others.

In summary; it can be done with little fuss, but I'd suggest that you let yor teacher get the permits. It will probably be much easier for him.

[Bitter]

When I said don't use high explosives, I meant 'high' explosives- you might get away with low explosive mixtures, as found in fireworks. You can still make a pretty big bang with confined KClO3/4 and aluminium powder.

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[10fingers]

Yes I agree. Flash powder is a much better idea. Easy to make, no detonator required, makes a loud bang and bright flash(ooohhh wow). Minimal risk of collateral damage.

[-A-]

1/2 brick of C4?!?. This is a school experiment!. What you want to do involves the use of high explosives and detonators... My advise, do NOT do it...

Here is a much better idea, and it can be done indoors, and it is an explosion too:

You need a metal can, but a small one, e.g. a coffee can with it's lid. Make a small hole on the lid and one on the bottom of the can. Take out one of the rubber hoses of one of the bunsen burners of your lab and put it over the hole on the bottom of the can. Turn on valve and fill the can with gas (with the can upwards). Important: REMEMBER THAT THE CAN IS FILLED WITH AIR, LET ALL AIR BE TAKEN OUT, ONLY GAS MUST BE INSIDE CAN!. Now put can over table and with a LONG match (for security), put fire in the hole on the lid. A flame should start burning. Retreat from the can.
Now you can start talking about how certain gases explode but only when mixed with air in certain proportions and shit like that. Keep talking...
Suddenly when no one is expecting it, the mix gas/air will reach the exlosion ratio and the lid will blow out violently, scaring the hell out of everyone watching.
Try that, it is safer, you don't need restricted chemicals, and it is fun too. (althought when I did it, a long time ago in school, my chemistry teacher almost had a heart attack, and almost all people went out of the classroom to find out what the hell had happened...)
Something simillar can be done with calcium carbide and water...
DO A TEST BEFORE YOU TRY IT!.

[firebreether]

If I told my teacher I was a pyro she would be nothing but proud. But I wouldn't do an explosives demo, thats stupid. My teacher does do this halloween show though, She does like small explosions with H2 and air/fuel dust mixes. But thats crazy to do HEs

[Ctrl_C]

go ahead and think i'm crazy, everybody else already thinks i am for doing much smaller explosives.

the organizations mentioned are kind of who i thought would need to be contacted.

everyone at school, including teachers etc, know im a pyro. i've actually tought both my Chem 1 and AP Chem teachers a lot that they didnt know and my Chem 1 teacher said today that i'm smarter than him http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif much to my liking. i remember the first day of our AP Chem class this year, the student teacher was doing demonstrations on lab safety like acid on egg whites (simulated eye protein) and the like. he then picked up a tube full of powder and lit a bunsen burner. he tried to be all slick and was like "now everybody knows that flour is completely harmless right?" me being the smartass that i am was like "no, actually in the right dispersal, it can form a dangerous fuel/air mixture that can produce a very powerful explosion otherwise known as a FAE"

you shoulda saw the look on his face and the rest of the class for that matter...priceless http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

[kingspaz]

any chance of getting pics of this or better still a video?

[Ctrl_C]

yes but it wont be until the end of the school year, early june.

i may even call newspapers/tv stations so that the fact that i am interested in doing this as a hobby gets out and gets me a job or some scholarship or something.

[Jumala]

Hallo,
I think it is forbidden in the most countries to own or use HE´s.
A teacher cannot give you a licence to perform this kind of experiments.
When you make this experiment, and you cannot keep it allways top secret,
you and especially your teacher are fucked.
There will be allways someone of the spectators who talks to friends, parents or other people and they run to the cops to tell the horrible storys they heared.

The United States are the land of the unlimited absurditys.
When they put a 10 years old boy in jail (with chains)because a neighbor only said that he touched his little sister what will they do with someone who uses HE´s in school.

To get a licence is nearby impossible (in germany) It is more possible that god visits you to have a cup of coffie.

In my schooltime the teachers knew nothing about HE´s. They thought BP is a terrible explosive.
So for me smells it like a trap.

[Mick]

you need an explosive licence, you need written premission from your teacher, and your principal, and the school board (if you school has one).
then you need a permit from your local council.
all of which you won't get because you not even old enough to hold a licence.
and above all, its illeagal to make your own explosives, even with a licence.


put it this way, i wouldn't have a fucken thing to do with it.

my science teacher was pretty "out there" and he did all sorts of cool stuff, like hydrogen balloon bombs, and tennis ball cannons and pressure bombs.
and i made a few suggestions on stuff we could do(like AP =).
needless to say i was scoped by the assistant principal for the rest of my time at school(about 2 years). i was always having my bag and locker searched, and my friends were always been questioned on what i got up to on the weekends(but they wouldn't have a fucking clue, because i couldn't trust them as far as i could throw them, so i never told them anything)
there was one instance where i found a piece of copper pipe on the way to school, so i put in my bag for later use(i always picked bits and pieces of pipe and other odds and ends) and i had my bag searched by the Ass. principal that day and he took the copper pipe from me, and told me to go back to class

when the period changed and i had to go to another class i was walking past the school office and there were 2 cops at the front desk talking with the Ass. principal and he was hold the copper pipe in his hand.
Nothing every became of that day.

put it this way ctrl-c, if you go ahead with the demo you will become a marked man.

[Ctrl_C]

i dont know what most of you think this will be like but i think we have completely different things in mind. first of all, my teacher is actually encouraging me to do this. actually, not 1, but 3. second of all, this wont be some kewl bomb that i just set off in a baseball diamond and get my ass thrown in jail. i'll tell you right now, i dont know if this can be made legal or not. if not, i cant and wont do it. but if there is a legal way to do it, i will do whatever is necessary to do so and i have the full support of the entire chemisty department.

principal and school board approval come next. if they give the ok after i present a proposal outlining the specifics of what i plan to do, i will continue to the next step of gaining the necessary permits or the chemistry department will obtain them. these include local, state, and federal permits. i dont care if they want bomb disposal there and 100 security guards...if thats what they want, thats what will happen.

overall, i hope this to be an enlightening, educational experience. most people have never seen anything bigger than a small firework explode up close. i want to show everybody that explosives, when handled properly, are safe.

[nbk2000]

Well, it's obvious that he's hell bent on going ahead with this, even after near uiversal agreement that proceeding ahead will have dire consequences.

So, I wish you luck with the project, but I don't hold much hope out for your future freedom and subsequent lose of anal virginity to the tender mercies of Rufus.

And because you're obviously not going to change your mind despite the advice of a dozen other pyros, I see no further use for this thread.

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