mac-11

[Mystery]

Anyone have plans for a MAC-10 or 11, if so please post the links.

[twinkle]

look at the ftp site (directory weapons)
there is a file called M11-9 it is mac 9mm or something like it .

[AR-15 Man]

If you live in the US and are building a Mac 11 get a kit called a Mac in a sac. It has all parts complete expect the reciever and comes with the flats for the reciever.

[angelo]

sounds like a good deal, does it include a complete barrel?

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[Mystery]

Well damn that to hell, I don't live in the USA :=( I live in the pothetic no rights gutless faggot infested country called Australia.

And I can't beleive you can ackually buy a kit like that, what can I say? thats awsome.
Lucky bastards. I love Mac's and I really want to make one, but I don't think its worth the trouble of getting a kit imported into the country. Sons of bitches would seize it.

[angelo]

perhaps we could get somebody in the U.S to send the kit, piece by piece, but it would be a costly exercise

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[DaRkDwArF]

Angelo, if you lived with our restrictions you would understand we would pay for that kind of kit... can you imagine firing a Semi auto one day... then the next having to hand it to the pigs and going out to buy a bolt action... thats a big step, I grew up with a bolt action Marlin .22, I could never fully understand, but I understand enough to know that our country is slowy stripping us of our right to bear arms... sign me up for one of those kits!!!

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[green beret]

Maybe the kit could be disguised within some tools and you could say it is some type of model kit?

Or (this would be very costly) Send over about ten boxes of machinery parts and hide the mac10 parts within that.

To identify the mac parts, mark them with a UV pen before shipping so that they can be identified under a UV light.

I would pay one of you guys to get me one.

[Mick]

I'll take 2!

well...maybe not 2...but i'll buy 1 if anyones selling

like darkdwarf said, if you lived with our kind of restrictions, you'd understand we would pay for that kind of thing

[This message has been edited by Mick (edited October 28, 2001).]

[angelo]

I do live in Austrlia but I don't have that kind of money. That would be very costly I'd say between $300-$500 not including the kit, (american dollars that is)

But if someone is willing to do it I could get the money.

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[AR-15 Man]

sorry I haven't responded sooner I have been doing some soul searching lately. Those Mac in a Sac do come with everything inculding the barrel. It is just the reciever is not finished. I say it is a fairly good deal. www.cobray.com (http://www.cobray.com) I believe is the site.

[Mystery]

Hey I have in idea! How about we all save our money and move to the USA, where they still have some rights and where MAC-s are still legal. I say fuck Australia, the general population don't care about rights. Take Port Author for example, that was the most obvious set up I have ever seen and no one gave a fucking shit, we now have an inocent man in prison for life and a even more disarmed country. Did you guys know there was an agreement signed in 1981 by both sides of govenment to disarm the public, there was a deadline set for 1997; just so happened to be the same year they destroyed all those thousands of weapons.
When the indonesians invade who is going to protect us? our army, (haha) they are pityful. There most common phrase is: (with a sleepy tone) oh, (der) that exercise was (der) just like a real battle (der).

I am sick of this country. I'm sorry if I upset anyone.

Oh and can I just ask? Who was our last decent priminister????

[angelo]

Bagging the army. Shit thats going abit to far. Our army is one of the best in the world.

I know we are loosing our rights, I have actually thought about moving to America, but with all the shit about terrorism, I'm just hoping to finish school, whilst on the side create and arsenal of weapons, which I could use just in case something did happen, hence the need for the mac 11's.

and by the way, I found a picture of the mac 11, combat model:

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/pics/0500/515.jpg

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[Mick]

i would have to agree that australia is becoming somewhat of a fucked country

our gun laws are getting beyond a joke. i heard from a friend in canberra that there going get rid of the class H licence (Class H is for hand guns) which means that handguns will be completly illeagal, even for security guards.

its fucken stupid, i seriously am thinking about selling all my stuff, and moving to another country...i dunno where tho, apperently bali is meant to pretty lax - and cheap too!

[nbk2000]

The cobray sites links to their catalog doesn't work, at least not for me.

The drum mag for the MAC isn't being made anymore because of the 10 round limit law. They're still available for $500 though. OUCH! More than the gun.

All the stuff needed to trick out the MAC as shown in the above picture can be found at http://autowerkes.net/MACaccessories.html

As far as I know, there's no laws against having a wax duplicate of a firearm. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif Or, to be more specific, exact duplicates of the receivers that are to be used for making investment castings of a receiver, complete with holes and everything.

MAC wouldn't work for this since they're made of sheet metal, but M16, M14, Garand, an similar type weapons would work fine.

I've seen 85% finished colt .45 receivers for sale for $70 that only require a few holes drilled in them to make them completely functional. No licences needed.

If you're going to have it mailed in to you, do it all at once with 10 packages, each going to a different vacant house. Send someone else to pick them up who doesn't know you and watch them. The police may let the parts through to arrest whoever picks them up.

You can expect at least one of the packages to be intercepted by customs. Maybe more. You'll have to reorder the missing parts and have them shipped to yet another address that you've never used.

I don't know what the laws are for trying to smuggle in a machine pistol (what they'll call it) but I'd imagine it's probably pretty stiff.

If it's worth the risk to you, than after you get it, bury the fucker deep! Don't go out plinking with it or tell anyone you have it, not your mother or best friend. I'm sure there's a reward for information of that sort. If not now, then later there will be.

I'd imagine in 20 years, a working MAC in australia would be worth many thousands to someone.




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[Mick]

i'd say in 50 years a MAC will be worth a fair ammount in alot of places, not just australia

eventually, similar gun laws to what australia has will be passed in america - its only a matter of time.

[DaRkDwArF]

Thats where your wrong mick, firearms will never be illegal in america, guns are more of a social accepted thing in states, their country was founded by war, ours was by a vote, it's patriotism that allows them to keep their arms, it's a shitty vote that makes us lose ours....
honestly though, why do you want a MAC?
for a personal defence weapon I'd prefer a concealable pistol or a sawn off... their easier to get then a MAC, just ask around, if you can't find them your not trying...

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[This message has been edited by DaRkDwArF (edited October 30, 2001).]

[FragmentedSanity]

Lo all http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif
I agree with you on the situation with gun laws here in Oz - they sure suck. But look at the info we have on the forum FTP - 3 from the Bill holmes series, Lutys expiedient 9mm smg - homemade giuns and home made ammo. Lets face it - if you want a decent gun in htis country your going to have to make it yourself - or pay big $$$ for one.... personally im for making my own, and just think - if we start now in a few years when everything starts turning to shit we might have built up enough of an arsenal to do something - and think about how valuable a commodity a well made smg would be even now.
Personally I say we need to find more files like these and start putting them into action. IM not saying everyone should make these things and sell em - or even shoot em - IM just saying make em and get good at doing it.
If anyone has the Bill Holmes volumes on pistol manufacture and the .22 machine pistolothey would be much appreicated. Or one of the vids that show the production of a firearm.
But personally Im after any file anyone has on making pistols - any kind of pistol.
Later all.
FS

[angelo]

this brings up the good old debate,
"why dont' we start our own country?"

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[nbk2000]

Could an internet based community be considered a nation without anty physical presence if enough peop[le abscribe to it?

If AOL said "Sign this e-petition to the UN for AOL to be admitted as a new nation." and their 10 million members did, would we then have to listen to their ads saying "So easy to become a citizen no wonder we're #1!"?

http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif

I'd imagine if enough people did it, and there was enough financial clout to back it up, it might be possible. It'll probably happen within our lifetimes that some 'phile (gibson) will become the first e-nation. A nation not of geographical location, but of mentally similar ideology.

In that respect, The Forum is a very small e-nation. We're like Switzerland, small....but organized and well armed. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

&TOTSE and Weirdpeir are the somalia and ethiopia of the net. Large and well populated, but who'd want to live there? http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

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[mrloud]

For those of you who dont know, Australia had a referendum recently to vote on whether or not to become a republic. I saw a cartoon that said "America had to fight a war for her independance, we just had to write 'NO' on a pice of paper. What did we do? We chose the word with fewer letters"

In Australia the gun laws were toughened in order to "reduce fire arm related crime". All that the laws have succeeded in doing is disarming the law abiding population. All those who are not law abiding have still got their illegal guns or can get them without too much difficulty.
Hands up any Australian who feels safer now!

[angelo]

I do believe firearm related crimes have gone up since the big ban of firearms

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[EventHorizon]

HAHAHA, NBK, good ones.

Gun laws don't work. Take Washington DC for example, strickest gun laws, highest crime rate; enough said.

America will never be dissarmed, it will get much worse tho before we do something about it, but rest assured when the shit hits the fan, the armed american citizen will fight to the end for whats right.

(I could go on and on about how we "free" Americans have completely lost the original concept of freedom, but I shalln't.)

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[DaRkDwArF]

I'm pretty sure crimes related to possesion of illegal arms went up by 18% last year, an all time high after the new import laws for pistols took place lol, this country is slowy going down hill... If indonesia invades we're fucked

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[Mystery]

See thats why I love this forum, you all genarally think like me. I agree with what you guys have been saying and I must especialy agree with "FragmentedSanity". Learn how to and make the weapons, dig a hole and store them. By the time the shit realy hits the fan, we will all be old and mature enough to use them, then maybe we could do something. Plus by that time this forum would have grown to a considerable size and maybe we could organise something from here or maybe i'm full of shit. Whatever, we'll see what happens. In the mean time, keep up the good work everyone and get makin...

[vulture]

hmm, if we start our country, we would have no gun laws, no explosives laws and no restricted chemicals! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif Would be dangerous but fun...
Can't imagine anything better!

No one in the mood to start a lab or chem supplier firm and help out the forum members?

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