Jobs

[Arkangel]

Since RTC put up the topic on what music we all like, here's a question that's been on my mind for a while. I'm going to ask people what they do for work, or something to do during the day if work 'aint your thang!

I'll come onto why I'm curious about this in a bit, but before anyone answers, keep it general, and remember I'm not after the company name, or anything that will lead to you - just a general idea of the type of work, ok?

Why am I curious? Well, I've seen a lot of people on the forum chatting about buying chems, valves and other stuff, and always we come round to whether they can afford it just now, or at all. I'm in the really lucky position that whatever I need I can generally buy straight away, as I have a shit hot job that pays really well. That has a downside in that I have less time to play with pyro, and live in the middle of a big city, but in general, more money is good. This has been the background to a load of my questions previously regarding crime - how much would a criminal be happy to earn, before they thought it was easier to go straight, that sort of thing.

I have done a lot of jobs in my life, from military to fishing boats to working with a geological survey team (standing grass back up - long story) and generally I have been skint most of the time. In the last few years though, I've hopped onto the corporate ladder and kept climbing. (Right now I work as a senior regional director for a company int he technology sector, and I travel around loads, talking to other companies about using our service). I hope that this thread might develop into something which gives people the ambition and knowledge to lie, cheat, scramble and generally blag their way into work that pays what you deserve.

In the last few years, I've come to realise that all the corporate suits I used to look at with a degree of awe and envy are generally immature, insecure, stupid and generally inadequate. To climb above them, you just need a brain (and most people here have good brains), the balls to try anything, and confidence in yourself. After that it's easy.

It is my belief (in fact fuck it, my knowledge as I've done it) that you could take ANY job, and blag it, no experience required. For the first month, people are going to expect you to be slow, and in that month you learn learn learn. If you haven't got it by then, you're not going to, and you just fuck off, or wait for them to sack you. (Whilst planning your next career move and going to interviews) The two things I wouldn't try this for would be a doctor or airline pilot. But pretty much anything else would be worth a shot.

So come on folks, what do you do, and if you're studying, what do you plan to do when you leave school/college

[DBSP]

I'm still a student so I haven't excactly got very much money, that will change soon though. I'm putting an alcohol still together right now so I'm planning on selling some 20l a month wich gives me about
200$. That way I can keep my hobby a bit more up to date. With the money and my fathers old company I'm hoping I can get most chems I want.

I won't get a real job for 2,5 years.

[Arkangel]

You can sell moonshine in Sweden <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Is this because the tax on everything there is so high that it's worth it?

Any ideas what you'll do when you leave study?

[DBSP]

I go a technical program now and we have lots of CAD, if you know what that is?. After I finnish I'll probably start working with it for a year or something and then continiue studying.

Homemade liquor is very common here since the tax is so high and you only can buy it at certain places. If you buy the chapest booze there ist costs about 20$ for 0,7L and then it tastes like shit, we call it "fox poison" :p . Anyway the homemade stuff is very easy to find, the quality varies but some is really good. It has become allost like "national drink", don't know how to put it but I hope you get what I mean. Personally I haven't consumed any legal booze for over half a year.

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[Zambosan]

I'm a computer engineer, currently doing systems-on-chip design & verification and embedded software. I don't really do much in the ways of experimenting anymore, between the job and a family there ain't a whole lot of time. Plus (hypocritical parent stepping in), I'd really prefer my boys to never get into something so dangerous as a hobby. :) Arkangel: right on the money. I'm constantly amazed at the amount of incompetence, disorganization, and lack of accountability at very large, successful companies. Given the sophistication of the systems I work on, and the slim margin of allowable error, I'm astonished that any of us are talking on cellphones or communicating over the internet right now. :D The truly sharp in the technology sector in general are quick to recognize one of their own... so rapid advancement is quite possible. You just have to position yourself with the right people, and change jobs if there aren't any where you are.

[lilchemist2k]

I work for a fenceing company installing, repairing, and biulding fences. You might not think is that good of job but you would be surprised, a order could come in for a dog cage right and we would spend maybe $50 bucks on partsI weld it to together and they sell it for $300 its unreal,They ripp people off bad cause no one realize's how cheap they get theirstuff and how crappy the pay their employies
unless you've been there a while then the pay is great. I make 8.50 hour and work 8am to 10pm four days a week or when every Andy needs me but Jason has 5 years in (I have 6 months) and he makes 14.25 The boss makes the best Andy pays himslef 25.00 flat and logs 7am to 100 pm everyday. well thats me.

[Ctrl_C]

highschool junior present, honors, AP student, shitty GPA, awesome SAT's, no ambition.

I'm going to a computer conference in Texas in July for 12 days. It's sponsered by Dell, Motorola, IBM, Prodigy Internet, etc and I'm guaranteed a job from any of those companies just for going. I'd probably take a job there, learn new stuff, get some experience, then find somewhere doing something that I really love. I can't stand some types of work so I have to do what I like to do...otherwise I get frustrated.

[Jack Ruby]

I am just finishing up High school and am going to Post secondary in the fall.

I will be taking the machinist program. After I get my Journey men ticket. I want to get my "tool and die maker."

I will work for a few years to save up enough money to go to the College of Martial Science and get my instructor status.

After that I will com back and work in the my field until while I try to find a job in Sweden in my field.

After I have worked over there and learned the culture, langauges, and have some life expirence I will go back to canada.

There I will open my own business(es). I am interested in opening my own Machine Shop, Fitness Center, Blue Light Club, and Resteraunt.

Right now I work in a resteraunt as a King of The Dish Pit, Pizza Boy, doing Prep/Bitch Work, Cooking, and I work as a Server.

These skills I can use anywhere and will come in handy when I open my own businesses. You could say i am doing Recon(recky)

[Aaron-V2.0]

My schedule.

Mornings: Stump grinding with my dad And/Or Iron work (Decorative Iron, garden trellises and arbors) Until 6:00 p.m. on Mon-Wed or Until dark.

6:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. Mon & Wed Oxy/Acetalyne Welding class at the college.

6:00 p.m. - 9:55 p.m. Tue Basic Welding at the college.

So basically, I work every single day of the week except for the off day every other week and take classes at night, then after then I'm online or working in my room on projects.

That's it, my life is pretty boring except the off-chance crater I cause on the peak. :D

[CyclonitePyro]

Ctrl_C, you sound like me, I'm a highschool sophmore, in honors and AP classes ans my GPA is dropping. I could tell myself to get straight A's, but I lack the motivation. It's not that I'm lazy, well maybe a little, just not interested, I can put much effort forth in something I like.

If my future job doesn't involve explosives, my life will be a failure. <a href="http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu" target="_blank">http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu</a> I think I want to go there and work as a student. I don't know what kind of after school education I'll need, maybe military would help?

World War 3 or something equally bad, perhaps good, will proably happen in the near future, so why even bother.

[nbk2000]

My most recent job was telemarketer from hell! :)

My "job" was to raise money for horse riding therapy for crippled kids via celebrity horse racing sponsored by a large police department.

Pigs and Gimps! ARRGG! The two things I hate most in the world, and I'm raising money for them! :mad:

But, given the nature of the shitty little town I live in, the lack of jobs that aren't farm related, and my aversion to any kind of manual labor, I had no other option. And don't say "You could have turned to crime" because there's nothing worth stealing, dope worth selling, or places worth robbing in the pergatory of a dump shit fly speck of a town I'm in.

So anyways, I had fun doing it. I was in a constant race to hang up on them before they could hang up on me. I'd clown foreigners by mocking their accent, phone sex young girls, tell people what idiots they were for asking me "are you legit?", and (in general) being a total asshole.

:D

Oh, and since I was calling for the cops in their local area, I would get the occassional "I'm a cop/cop's wife/cop's relative" etc response. Those calls got special treatment, what with me copying down their addresses and phone numbers. Anyone want the phone # and address of the Police Chiefs sister? (Not that I will give it out. It's all mine. <img src="http://assaultweb.net/ubb/icons/icon18.gif" alt="" />)

I'd occassionally get a jap woman on the phone and get to practice my hentai eechi japanese on them. Can you say "Eat my load, bitch!" in jap? I can. :p

HAHAHAHAAA! I loved hearing the stunned gasp on the other end. Made my dick hard.

And yet, despite all this, I was offered a promotion to commission sales that'd be 20% of the sales for ads. With ads running up to $10,000, I had the opprotunity for some big bucks, but it required transportation during hours I couldn't work (for other reasons) so I had to pass.

Obviously they didn't know why I had so much fun and was laughing all the time in my cubicle. I told them I was a happy person and it showed through the phone to the customers. I was laughing inside when my slavedriver would say "Keep doing what you're doing.". Yes sir!

I was third in sales in less than a month there. The other 2 higher than me were doing it for years. :) I've always been told I'm a natural salesman.

Probably explains why I was selling rock at one time. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Ctrl_C]

there is seriously something wrong with you. :)

[ENGINEERKILLER]

I am a dumbass grunt with a cool job title .Quit high school at 15 went to machine shop school for 2 years .When I was 17 I abandoned all of hope of things in life ever improving so i got my ged and joined the army.
You know if your gonna get fucked you might as well go all the way so I went infantry and volunteered for ranger school.After about 9 months of hell I graduated and arrived at my battalion where I was chased around the barracks by a bunch guys wielding paintball guns and and snowballs,hancuffed upsidedown to a telephone poll buttnaked in the middle of winter.Being in a ranger battalion is cool you get to do alot of training and real world work jump out of planes and break shit.But that is all you do, you have no personel time your life is ruled with an iron fist by some asshole who has no greater purpose than to fuck with you 24/7.
So eventualy I wised up and voluntereed for EOD I started school with 25 guys in my class and graduated with 2.Myself and an airmen who had a degree .He graduated becase he was one smart motherfucker I honestly beleived I graduated because my instructers liked my attitude and my perservernce .Now all I do is get up at 0500 in the morning do some excersises run a couple of miles blow shit up and go home at 1630 .I am on duty about once a month for a week at a time so for that week I can't drink and whenever the call comes in me and my team member go and answer it.For the most part I don't have anything to do with the rest of the army.

I think I have learned alot being in the army about myself and human nature.This is not to say that I am trying to recomend military service to anyone .

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[Anthony]

Man, that really cracked me up NBK!

So did this (if taken slightly out of context :) ):

"hancuffed upsidedown to a telephone poll buttnaked in the middle of winter.Being in a ranger battalion is cool"

Personally I'm in my final year of college, like some of the other people here my grades are continually falling simply because I lack the motivation or effort to do the mundane, repetitive work. IMO all courses should be 100% exam based, make or break. Grading you by coursework allows people to "cheat", if you're willing to put massive amounts of time into it, the teacher can help you continually refine your work untill you have covered all the critieria and achieve full or near full marks. Whereas someone who is possible brighter but would rather spend their time persuring their own interests (ones that involve hardwork) will hash something out the night before the deadline and do comparitively badly. Even though their "final" piece may have been better than the original piece, before teacher refinement of the other guy who did well.

Should be going to university next school year to study aerospace engineering, hopefully it will be more interesting so I will actually want to work at it.

Really I don't care what I end up doing as long as I have something in my life which makes me happy. I'd rather be flipping burgers but happy outside of work than be stinking rich, living alone and utterly miserable. I really pity people who enjoy being at work more than being at home...

[mrloud]

I work as a sound and lighting technician for live theatre shows. I have very little interest in the operas, plays and musicals I work on. I am in it for the technology, high voltages, automation and Big Ass Sound Systems. I've tinkered around with scale models and filming them being blown up and would like to get into the film industry one day. I'd like to get a commercial diving ticket too, perhaps from this mob <a href="http://www.descend.com.au" target="_blank">www.descend.com.au</a> and then get a job with this mob <a href="http://www.numa.com.au" target="_blank">www.numa.com.au</a>

[Mr Cool]

NBK: sounds like a nice job :)

I'll probably take a year out before going to uni., and work for a few months to get a bit of cash then do some travelling with a mate. I want to go to East Asia for a bit, there are some nice places there. But I'd probably die of starvation, since I wouldn't have the bbq'd rat and other shit like that. Either that or do a year in industry or something (more hygeinic, I'm sure...). Then I plan on going to Imperial, Bristol or Cambridge (if not, then anywhere that accpets me :) ) to do chemical engineering, and I'm going to try and get sponsorship through uni from a company like ICI. That means I won't have such a huge debt when I finish, and I'll have a job with ICI or whoever for a year or two afterwards. Then I might carry on with that, or find something better if it sucks.
Or I might do chemistry instead of chemical engineering, since a pure science gives you more career options.
Or perhaps I'll follow my brother's footsteps: leave school, and go surfing. Sounds appealing... he's just got back from Costa Rica, before that he was in Morrocco, Biarritz, Portugal, and next he's off to Santa Cruz. Lucky bastard!!! God knows where he's getting his cash from - he has no visible means of financial support... Interesting.
Wait, no, I have a better plan. Marry into a rich familly, then I won't have to work. Anyone know of a rich, attractive, interesting, intelligent, funny, single girl? No? Damn, back to plan A.

Whatever I do, I think explosives will have to remain a hobby rather than a career <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[endotherm]

I do Graphic Design. Designing Logos,Receipts,Newsletters, and website banners etc. I am also employed part time as a database manager for some pharmaceutical company. Just the kind of Jobs I love, just me and my PC, no human interaction required :)

[Ctrl_C]

CyclonitePyro: Thanks for that link...I am seriously considering going there now. I will have my SAT scores sent to them.

[nbk2000]

Ctrl_C, you need to clean out your e-mail. I got a notice back saying your mailbox is too full to receive mail.

Also, are you aware the FTP info has been posted agian at queerpier?

[A-BOMB]

I'm a student for the most part, then during the summer I get muy brush hog out of the shed and go around cuting trails and paths for people, then I also do my proffessial longrange ground hog/pest removal thing(give me away to sight in all me guns). Then during the rest of the year I'm doing construction work as in load/unload my grandfathers truck of tires or cement, or I do home repairs like put in new telephone/cable/electrical lines.

[Hvoroba]

I'm a high school student. In the past years, my grades were not particulary high since I was not implying much effort to it, but six months ago I joined a military school, and since then my grades are high since I'm motivated by money (I have received a scholarship at the end of every semester for excellent grades). My schedule is really busy, and I don't have a social life during the week, only at weekends when I return home, but it is worth it since the school has a good reputation. I study chemistry from books I find in the library, since it is not taught here, and it's not easy to do it myself without a teacher, but I don't give up, and the practical side of my love to chemistry takes part at weekends. I try using all my time for studying, since knowledge is power of course, and there isn't anything else to do in this rat hole anyway. After school I plan of getting a job, and moving to my own apartament. Then I plan to serve in the IDF for 3 years since it's an obligation, and then perhaps will come university and a decent job.
I dream of growing weed and synthesizing explosives in a separate room in my apartament, then to watch television and get high. I don't really have a purpose in life, since any effort in finding one failed, so I just live by setting temporary goals and not thinking strategically. This can be understood since I'm only 16. Anyway, enough bullshitting.

BTW, I know how you feel engineerkiller :)

[Celtick]

I'm in the military; I'm with the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps. When I completed school at the age of 17, I went directly to the Marines. After basic training (a lot of running around with a beam of wood at 7 o'clock trough the mud) I wanted to be a Pioneer (mines, obstructions, etc.) but they wanted me in some Logistic service.
So now I've applied for Munitions Tech. and I have to come for a new psychological test I mentioned before in another post. I'll hope I'm getting the job but there where only five places...

<small>[ April 09, 2002, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Celtick ]</small>

[Anthony]

Hvoroba, the last part of your post didn't make sense to me. You seem to be going full at it in this military school, busting your arse all week to get good grades, yet you require nothing this school can give you in order to achieve your dream.

You say you have no defined purpose in life and set only short-term goals but you've got your life all figured out for what's got to be at least the next 6 years...

Here's something that might get some of the guys here wondering: Think of one thing in your life that's worth living potentially, the next 100 years for...

[Celtick]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">You seem to be going full at it in this military school, busting your arse all week to get good grades, yet you require nothing this school can give you in order to achieve your dream.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">I went to the Marines for the adventure and the training. Only to pass all the mental and physical challenges is an achievement of its own. After school I went directly to the Marines. If I look at other people from my class who are still doing practically nothing with their lives, I think I've accomplished much more by now.
I think "this school" gave me a unique mental basis, not to speak about the physical :)
I believe that joining the Marines was one of the best things I've done, it’s a good base to build on.

So in order to achieve your dream maybe first construct a road before racing to the end goal <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Arkangel]

Likewise, the military is an amazingly good place to transition to adulthood (not sure I classify myself as an adult yet though). I joined as an officer, and by my 21st birthday was (notionally) in charge of 40 guys and $15 million of kit, you grow up FAST.

The worst thing I think you can do is sit around in your home town, waiting for something to come along. Before you know it you're 50, wondering what the fuck happened to your life.

[bangandow]

Ctrl_C and Cyclonite, I'm in the same boat... I'm a sophomore in high school. Absolute shit GPA, no ambition, but good test scores. What, oh what are we to do?

[CyclonitePyro]

Great, I'm not the only one. I think it's really cool how people with the same interests have pretty much the same general outlooks on life, politics, and other things of importance.

I can motivate myself to do above and beyond if I'm intersested, but if im not it's almost impossible for me to try. I went through all my school life with straight A's in honor classes and it was no challenge and I wasn't use to putting forth effort. Now in 10th grade this is the first year I need to try and do work and I don't know how, maybe I'm lazy, but not at other things like pyro.

I sit in classes and can't pay attention, I got other things on my mind :D BOOM!, who gives a shit about Julius Caesar. I easily learn everything I'm taught but I'm lazy at handing in stupid things like reports and classwork, I agree with anthony about the only tests classes. My GPA is 3.5 which is honors but it is slowly falling. I know if I really make an effort I could do it but can't bring myself, yet I have a strong amount of will power.

Ctrl_C, that's cool maybe we'll both go there, I've always loved the desert. I heard of that place on TV channel on TLC, one week a while ago there was a Blast Masters series, my uncle taped one of the shows and I watched it about every other night. They detonated a 500lb charge of TNT at Emrtc, I found their website then. I don't understand the steps I would take to enroll at Emrtc, is it a college or technical school. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

[Arkangel]

I hope neither of you are worrying too much about it. life has a very odd way of turning out quite the opposite to what you expect. The most important thing is to relax and take in the journey.

There is no way I'd have thought I'd end up doing the stuff I have, seeing the places I've seen. The two things I wish I'd done earlier in life are:

1. Travel - it's a shit load easier than you think. Just buy a ticket, take a bit of pocket money and see what happens!
2. Learn a language - goes hand in hand with working in somewhere like South America or whatever. It's easy, you go there, with a phrase book, hang out round chicks who want to be with foreigners, and they teach you everything you need to know.

Can't remember who's brother went off surfing all over, but that would be superb too. :)

[Hvoroba]

Anthony,

First of all, 6 years doesn't seem like a whole life, even for me. Secondly, I joined this school because of complicated reasons: I wanted to prove everybody that I can handle serious things since my parents thought that I'm still immature, however I didn't have to prove anything to myself since I know myself. Yes, you can say that I don't have to prove anybody anything, only myself.. You might be right at some point, but remember that I am still dependant on my parents and I need good reputation. Secondly, I was pretty much sick of all the shit they fed me at home. No, don't misunderstand me, they love me, but I think the problem that they love me TOO much, and of course all of this teenage crap, disagreements, arguments, hormones, anger and quiet and loud riots. So I prefer spending 4 years in this place then at home... In short, I seek for independancy. It might be hard to understand, it's all teenie crap. And finally, I want a steady basis for my future life, nevermind what I should do in it. Think logically, if I finish the school with excellence, I would be able to do anything, should this be building a career as a high-tec employee, or working in the post office for an average salary and smoking pot while watching TV at home.
And by the way, what do you suggest me to do: Marry, have kids, divorce, aliments, balding, middle life crisis, work, work ,work, heart attack? Or perhaps I should be a cool punk with a mohawk, using mind altering substances without control and wasting my shitty, worthless life in a pool of puke consisting of alcohol and my own stomache juices?
What are your views on life?

[Anthony]

You should do whatever makes you happy, it'll probably be a compromise somewhere between the two extremes that you mentioned.

My views on life - nice guys *do* finish last. Life has a nasty habit of favouring arseholes and giving them what they want. So either you become an arsehole and just take whatever it is you want, or if it's just not you then stick with your depressing and unfair life, hoping desperately that life will toss you a bone or other scrap of happiness.

I live from day to day, I just don't really look forward much further than that. If I try to set anything like a long or medium term goal then I invariably end up not achieving it. I find it almost impossible to do work which is uninteresting to me, I almost always put it off and go do something else, even if it is more challenging and "harder", I enjoy it because it interests me. I hate doing pointless work, like practising for essay questions in an exam. Sure doing 5 or so practice essays might make me somewhat prepared for one in a real exam, so I could just recite *some* of my answer from memory. But my memory sucks and I'd rather not waste the time outside the exam for such a small advantage. If something interests me, I will crack on with it, if it doesn't then I ride deadlines very closely. If I have a large piece of coursework to be in in two days, even if I sit down to do it on the first day, I won't get anything done, I'll end up leaving it untill the second and final day. Then I finally get motivated, but only by the threat of impending doom if I don't get it done. If I have minor work to do for the next day I usually won't actually start until around 10pm. I rarely follow teacher set deadlines, they may have figured out a time plan by when they want each part of a large project completed by, but I'll find out the final date when it must be submitted to the exam board and do it all in one go to meet that deadline. I rarely revise for exams, I guess mainly because I think it's cheating. If you don't revise then you'll be examed on what you know, if you revise then you'll be examined on what you know and also what you've stuffed into your short term memory, although you probably don't even understand it. Some people will ace an exam through extensive revision but a month down the line haven't got the level of understanding that they should have for the qualification they got. Again, my memory sucks so revision is largely pointless. I will always learn things by understanding how they work, rather than just memorising the results. Because I *want* to know how things work, but also because I *can't* just remember the results, I need to be able to work it out on the spot. I use logical reasoning to answer many exam questions. An example of this is the 2001 General Studies Alevel paper, I attended few of the lessons for the subject and did none of the work (besides a project on "science" where I showed a lot more enthusiasm than anyone else and produced much better work). I also did no revision, whereas a lot of people did. The exam though was a kicker, it covered *none* of the work covered by the lessons, it was basically down to general knowledge and reasoning - I scored several grades higher than most of the "clever" people. Book learning is memorising things that often people don't actually understand or can use in a practical situation. They appear smart and get good grades though, but the real world they're pretty clueless. A case of talking the talk but not being able to walk the walk.

I also expect the worst from most situations, that way you can try to avoid dissapointment. Aim low, achieve your goals, avoid dissapointment.

Many people think I'm lazy, they turn in their work on time, get average grades and then spend all day sitting in front of the idiot box or playing mindless computer games. I spend a horrific amount of time on the internet, but all the time I'm reading and learning. If my internet reading was in the form of books people would think I was some kind of genius - sitting at a desk for 10+ hours a day surrounded by mountains of literal masterpieces. Shakespeare or Dickens might be an entertaining reading but it isn't information you can use in real life, this is. Also, due to the nature of my hobbies (being mostly illegal or at least socially unnaceptable) this also makes it look like I do absolutely nothing. I have no "normal" hobbies that I can declare so when asked in things like interviews it's "umm, err, well I use the internet a lot...".

Most old yet fit/frisky/full of life people will attribute their long life and good health of lack of stress - taking things easy and not worrying. Living day to day does a lot to eliminate worry, you don't worry about whether you'll meet deadline/goals or not if you either don't acknowledge or think about them, or know that you'll fail at them.

I also don't actively try to fit in or make people accept me. I will always act who I am, if I want to say something, I'll say it, I won't worry about what people will think about me, likewise if I want to do something funny. This seems to have earnt me somewhat of a reputation as a homosexual though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Poeople can either accept me for who I am or fuck off.

In conclusion: Life is not at all fair, some people will always get fucked over, whilst some people will always jamily land on their feet.

[BoB-]

Interesting Buddhist philosophy Anthony, I have to say I follow the same path in life... "whatever" is my motto.

I hope to one day design large caliber ordanance for the US government as a civillian, and finally make nuclear weapons obsolete.

Unfortunatly, life isnt that easy, I work at a fucking hardware store in the middle of the city, plenty of parts for projects :) but otherwise completly worthless and unfulfilling. If I'm still working there in 20 years it wouldnt surprise me, the saying is true "it takes money to make money".

Fortunatly my girlfriends parents are very rich :D

[bangandow]

I know... what the hell are we supposed to say when someone interviewing us for a job or some mess asks, "what are your hobbies"?

"Umm... well I mostly sit at my computer and read about explosives and growing fine marijuana." I'm honestly thinking of putting the marijuana part on this job application to a local greenhouse... what do you guys think? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[James]

Hmm. Put down growing plants instead. Be vauge. Oh yeah. I'm a live at home parasite (unemployed).

[vonK]

I'm in my second to last year at high school.
I think I'm similar to Ctrl_C and Cyclonitepyro, good test scores but can't really give a shit.
In my first year at high school my teachers decided I needed some "accelerating". I did School Cert Science(normally three years into high school)by correspondence that year and the year after that I took my first Chem class.
The education system is quite screwed up here. The govt gives schools some "levels" to be awarded to the students depending on their total scores over the year, 1-7, 1 being the best, 7 the worst. How many numbers the school gets depends on how well the students scored the year before. My school only had one "1" to award so at the end of the year, although I scored 98%, all I have to show for it is a piece of paper thats says "Kurt achieved level 2 in 6th Form Cert Chem".
Aparently a girl in my class also scored 98% and her "class attitude" was better than mine.
When I level school I intend to become a vet. I would rather get into reasearch than the operating type stuff but owning my own practice and being able to legitimately order all those chems that we love so much is incredibly appealing.
As far as current jobs go, I spend my holidays working in my Aunt's bakery. I also live right next door to a paintball field and have just been offered a job there, marshalling and setting the gear up. I don't know what the pay will be like but it'll be a pretty sweet job all the same.

[Mr Cool]

Someone, please enlighten me - what do "My GPA is 3.5 which is honors" and "I'm a sophomore in high school" mean?

Anthony: yeah, general studies is such a joke. They don't even prepare us for it at my school, they give us a booklet about it and put you into the exam. It's just a waste of time, no universities count it as a qualification or anything. AND why must I do a science/maths general studies paper if all the subjects I'm doing are science/maths related?

Lol, you guys obviously haven't mastered the art of taking an interview!! If they ask what you do in your spare time, and you have nothing to say except "blow stuff up", LIE! Just make sure you include that you've done the Gold DoE award, and as part of that you have completed a 6 month long first aid course run by the St. John's ambulance service. They love that. Also, say you're a venture scout (or equivalent) leader, so you organise all the activities and everything (find out about your local scout group if you use this one, so you can say where they meet and everything. If they want the telephone number, say it's on your mobile which you left at home), and that you were in the Army section (say you were an engineer, advanced infantry, REME engineer or something) of your school's CCF contingent (it doesn't matter if your school didn't have one, they don't know that), and you were promoted to [insert rank, but don't make it TOO high], which helped develop your leadership skills.

I'm pretty lucky when it comes to school work and all that, because I have a very good memory. I don't have to revise for exams (except history, which I don't do anymore) to get straight A's, all I have to do is be in the lessons with one ear open and I'll remember all the important things. And because all my teachers know this, they ask for work in once but if I don't have it they forget about it, because they've realised that unless it's a bit of coursework then doing it won't help me.

[Arkangel]

Now we're getting there, the real reason I started the post.........getting round to a discussion about lying to get into a better job.

Lying, I LOVE it, lying is my friend, lying has got me where I am today. Of course, I could be lying now, and I'm not altogether sure where I am, however, if you want a better job than you have now, with more money and more satisfaction, you'd better get good at lying.

(I would write more, but am so distracted by the totally HOT tall blonde German goddess that's walked into the cybercafe in Frankfurt that I'm in that I can't quite concentrate. Fuck, she's sitting next to me, fuck , shit, what am I going to say, what am I going to do......will she see the forum and think I'm a psycho, will she see that I'm a man of mystery, power, intelligence.....´she is so FUCKING HOT I can't believe it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> OF course, I could be lying, but actually I'm not. I'm going to log onto my poetry forum now guys, catch you in a bit.)

[NoltaiR]

I finished high school with a GPA (on a 0-100 scale) with a 95.2 and my class rank was 189 out of 880... that is the top 22% of my class. That is alright... most public universities in my state will except the top 10% immediately... no SAT scores required; and they except the top 25% as long as they have a minimum SAT score of 920 (which is extremely easy to achieve if you are not an idiot.. the test I took my freshmen year got a 1050, and even then I thought I did terrible). My final SAT that I took recieved a 1250... not too bad but then again not high above the crowd either.

Well anyways I know you guys could careless, but does anyone know how to figure a GPA from a 0-100 measurement to a 0.0-4.0 measurement?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Here's a math question for you.

How many times does 4 go into 100?

Answer: 25.

Thus, to convert 95.2% to 0-4GPA, divide it by 25 = 3.808 or 3.8 GPA

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[Maddoc]

Well, I've had a few shitty jobs over time, but none of them paid off enough to be worth it.

The best job I've ever had was selling Weed at squat parties (illegal raves). Hundreds of customers and not a cop for miles around. I gave that up due to boredom, and it was a pain in the ass trying to shout "Skunk" over 20,000 watts of sound.

Currently, I distribute Cubensis spore syringes (for those who dont know what they are visit fanaticus.com) to "Head" shops in the London area. It only takes up a few hours every week for a decent wad of cash, that keeps the skunk "rolling" in (no pun intended).

Aside from I'm currently a full time student, trying to work his way in the world.

[EP]

I'm currently a sophmore (Year 2 of 4 for you non americans) with a 3.9 cummulative GPA and high test scores. Oh, and no motivation for school. I'm rather sick of it, and I'd just blow it off if not for nagging parents. 90% chance of attending college, I have wealthy relatives to help. After that, In the perfect world I'd work as a pyrotech for movies or for a large fireworks company, but I'll probably get some low skill, easy as shit job that doesn't pay much. I live cheap, I could get by just fine with it. Hopefully I'll get a decent technology related job.

[frostfire]

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[Celtick]

I've passed the Psychological test!!
Now I only have to come back for a physical test but this shouldn’t be a problem. Also I had a meeting with Arkangel in A’ dam, this was great specially because he bought me beer :D Its a great thing to meet someone who has a totally different kind of occupation but the same sort of "hobby"'. Also you can exchange chemicals witch are hard to get for you at the moment (thanks Ark!) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[frostfire]

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[Arkangel]

Frostfire, how come you could work as a waiter/waitress????

Celtick, good news on the psycho tests, just make sure you don't drink too much more beer between now and the medical! :D (btw we're all square on the chems, don't worry)

Can't remember who posed the question about hobbies, and what to say when asked about them, but this is a key part of blagging (a uk expression meaning lying or otherwise talking your way into getting free, cheap or illegal stuff) your way into a better job.

I don't know if you have a CV or resume, but if not, get one - (mail it to me and I'd be happy to review the general draft, polishing and buffing it up as required), employers love them.

Then, just make up a load of shit, not complete fantasies, but something you at least know something about. They are unlikely to ask you any seriously deep questions, but if they do, remember bullshit baffles brains and be prepared for each subject with a little "story" about the type of things you do and what you get out of it. It takes a little imagination and a little confidence and you can make up something plausible about anything.

[BoB-]

Frostfire is estrogen based, she just doesnt like to admit it, shes brilliant, she just cant use a keyboard :D

[J]

A tip for CV's: make up what you want for your hobbies, employers are rarely interested. Of the people I've spoken to on my course who are being interviewed for placement years, they've had the same experience as me. Some people were relying on being asked about their social life and hobbies to seem interesting. Guess they should have studied instead :D

[kingspaz]

at the cambridge conference thing i went to the guy told us to make stuff up to impress them at the interview!

[nbk2000]

I'm a shoe-in for a job at Rat-Shack (Radio-Shack for the uninformed :D )

The toys, the wonderful toys! :D

Radio scanners, microscopes, multimeters, parts, etc. DROOL! :()~

Envy me muthaFUCKAS! :p

And I'm going to leverage my employee discount for free movies from the Hollywood! video next door.

Speaking of movies, the movie "Heist" with Gene Hackman was very good. It had a lot of good examples of the RTPBs. Another interesting movie was "Panic Room". Illustrated the use of a "safe room" and some things that could be done against them. Had a very realistic portrayl of a safe being drilled and scoped too.

[shrek]

Well... Curently I am a grunt moving dirt for some ass hole... but hey it is money (7.50/hr.), and only on Saturdays. On Tuesdays I do computer work for people(10.00/hr.), after school that is. I do school, sort of. My GPA use to be good... but dropped to a 2.0

A while ago I began the "real money", as I belived. I started stealing from universities, and the shipping/reciving of companies... I got a bunch of stuff... but did not sell so well. I had a spool of multimode fiber optic, worth well over $5000, this thing was long. It sold for $225. That pissed me off. So now I just work... honest (Blah!) money.

In the future I hope to be a priest or a gynecologist. (Either way I get pussy) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[mark]

I mostly just sit around and ubsorb money from my parents. I realy dont need to get more money, Im a light weight when it comes to my weed, and ACE sells all my chems at everyday low prices. Im pretty much set. If i ever realy needed money, Id probobly sell off some comercial fireworks, or some well made homebrew devices to older, more responsible people.

[Al Koholic]

Seems like a common pattern occurs for most of us here heh. I blew off high school....still did real well and got into a good college (currently a junior). At college I've been trying to be more motivated because you just cant succeed here if you aren't. Its tough. Currently pre-med with plans to attend med school in a year or 2 and become a fully self-employed, independent psychiatrist sometime in the future. That would be grand. Right now I work in a premier laser technology facility. Its cool because they pay me 8/hr and my primary responsibilty is doing damage testing with a 50 watt laser! This thing will put a hole in you in about 1 second. ITS GREAT! Since damaging things with lasers isn't all that bad...I dont really mind this job. The last one though...working for an explosives manufacturing company...that was sometimes quite a drag (surprisingly enough). When youve filled an uncountable number of 3 inch tubes you start to get a little tired heh...

[nbk2000]

Well, it turns out Rat-Shack didn't hire me after all. Rather, I'm selling satellite dishs on commission. Decent sales and a 4 hour a day, 4 days a week work "week". Sweet!

Oh yeah, I also got off from a literal graveyard shift job at 4AM today.

I was hired to watch a bunch of crates filled with american flags that were to be put up for Memorial day in the cemetary so no one would steal them (flags being in demand since 9/11). The red X shows were I was parked in the service yard of the cemetery to watch them.

You can also see some of the trucks with platforms that are used for putting them up. (Notice the flowers)

<img src="http://server3001.freeyellow.com/nbk2000/Grave3_Flags.jpg" alt="" />

The crates are covered with fake grass carpeting. They look suspicously like coffins.

<img src="http://server3001.freeyellow.com/nbk2000/Grave2_Flags.jpg" alt="" />

A closer look at some of the concrete vaults the cemetery uses when burying your ass. There's also piles of granite slabs sitting back there. Now I know where to go when I need a mass dampner for a microgram scale, or rebar and expanded metal mesh for fortifying my house.

<img src="http://server3001.freeyellow.com/nbk2000/Grave1_Vaults.jpg" alt="" />

The silly fools actually left me a key for a "Death-Mobile2000" (AKA Golf-cart).

<img src="http://server3001.freeyellow.com/nbk2000/Grave4_Cart.jpg" alt="" />

Needless to say I abused the fuck out of it for 8 hours!

Starting around 2:30, the ground crews started putting up the flags. Here's a picture of the Death-Mobile2000 parked underneath the largest flag.

<img src="http://server3001.freeyellow.com/nbk2000/Grave5_Flags_Flying.jpg" alt="" />

Anyways, I was having fun last night.

I tore all around the cemetery roads at full speed (20mph+) with no light beyond that of the skyshine from the city and the full moon through the clouds.

I pissed on some rich dudes grave (twice! Always wanted to do that! <img src="http://assaultweb.net/ubb/icons/icon18.gif" alt="" />) and jacked off on his cute daughters tombstone (picture was on her grave).

Went "off roading" with the cart all over the place, squashing flowers, spitting on graves as I went, and breaking at least one tombstone (CRACK!) I ran over. I was looking for an open grave pit to shit in so some smuck would be smelling my shit for eternity, but no such luck. :(

Blew away a racoon that was foolish enough to be visible in my presence, along with a pair of sky rats (pigeons). Tossed them in the woods to rot.

All the while, while terrorizing the dead, I'm bumping to Pantera and Sepultura on the CD player.

Oh...and getting paid $10 an hour for the privilege.
So how was your memorial day weekend? :p

About the flowers mentioned earlier...there's literally THOUSANDS of bouqets of silk flowers in the cemetery. They're sold across the street from the cemetery by the local rotary club.

And what happens is, a week after memorial day, the grounds crew collects all the shit from the graves and dumps it. The rotarys womens auxillary then recovers the fake flowers, cleans them up, and stocks them till next year when they're re-sold! What a scam! Who knows how many graves that flower has been sitting on over the years.

But, it also gives me an idea. In accordance with RTPB "Anything free must be exploited", a person could go to the cemetery at night after the crews have cleaned up the cemetery (go to an upscale one, not ghetto) and retrieve bushels of fake flowers. These are then resold on street corners and at flea-markets during the summer. Free money since these bouqets are worth at least $20 or more each. Easy money fool!

I also had a chance to talk to the funeral director before he left. Q&A'd him about certain aspects of "the trade". They have their own terminology too:

Coffin=Container
Corspe=Contents
Grave=Property
Cremation-Shake and Bake

[PYRO500]

Wow, that's a cool job, cooler as what I do when I need money, I just put up a sign offering help with computers, I usually end up sitting through a windows installation or while downloading drivers I play games :) . I charge 10$ an hour and I'm untaxed enen though I don't earn that much a year I still don't want uncle sam holding up my money. I also charge for extra things like cd's with games on them are like 5$ and for hardware a bonus of 10$ a device etc, I get paid fairly well for what I do and with this world of helpless computer users there is always someone fucking up their computer, well they have my card :) . Half the time I just sit through installations and get paid for it how cool is that and it's off the record.

[Arkangel]

I don't know if you saw the story anywhere, but on the subject of after hours recycling of stuff like the cemetery flowers, a guy in the UK was caught recently on a golf course with scuba gear, and a couple of thousand balls that he'd fished out of the lake.

Basically, he'd been going round the country, diving in all these places with a net, scooping them all up and then selling them to driving ranges or other clubs. NUFF respect! :D

And the sick part is, that even though those balls were never ever going to be retrieved, and he didn't hurt or abuse anyone, the bastard of a judge gave him a 6 month jail sentence! :mad: (mind you, he's appealed and is out on bail now)

And while I'm on the subject of injustice, something in the US last week really pissed me off. A school expelled a 5 year old girl from school because her MOTHER worked in a strip joint! What a set of hypocritical pricks. Funny how morally upstanding, religious people are the most bigoted of all eh................

[Tinton]

I am too a high school student, and in the international bacculaurate program, and if I can put up with the enourmous work loads, while swimming, and being on the debate team, I may just graduate with a full IB diploma.

If not, this kind Navy guy at our school gave me some brochures about BUD/S training, and the SEALs and other stuff; after he found out I was a swimmer.

Anyways... The only reason I posted here was to brag about my job next summer at a shotgun shooting range, I get to work the traps, pick up shotgun hulls, and drive golf carts around... That is, if i'm not busy making sure the traps/my gun works...

[PYRO500]

I dont know about "cool" jobs, but I am now an automotive/residential/commercial locksmith, some people might find the job.... and its connections..... interesting...

[nbk2000]

I am too a high school student...

I are also a high school garduate. :rolleyes:

[tmp]

PYRO500, my room mate is a locksmith also. He's taught me some of the
basics. Picking a padlock turned out to be easier than I previously thought.
When I think of the old Master Lock commercial, I laugh my ass off ! Stands
up to a .308 but not a rake with a tensioner. Anyway, I have many years as
a systems programmer/analyst under my belt. That's not a primary job
anymore but a sideline. Sometimes I make money by cleaning out malware,
installing software, installing hardware, etc.. And I just love customers who
allow their brats to surf the web. Lots of money cleaning up their gear
after ! That is a fun sideline !

BTW, check your PM.

[sobreroHWE]

While at my mindless job the other day, I watched a UPS truck pull up and leave his door open. Usually I can not resist a chance to poke around a van full of goodies, but what really caught my eye was the "Haz-Mat" stickers in his truck.

In the back on the floor within arms length of me was two plastic jugs of 96%H2SO4 and two other boxes with "haz-mat" labels. One said "H202 20%-40%" and the other was "Ammonia compounds".(all on the same truck, right next to eachother) I also believe they ship other items of interest.

A job as a box mover (even part time for a week just to get the ins and outs) could yield some interesting goods. Or at least show you what vans to hold up.The vans are tricky to start and sometimes have secret buttons or switches you must activate before starting the vehicle.
IIRC Fischer scientific ships all sorts of crazy shit via FedEx and UPS. One heist could net you chems and a bunch of flat screens or lap tops.

[Bugger]

I am sure that some people on this forum would be interested in jobs as mercenaries - "soldiers of fortune". Are there any mercenaries here? Unfortunately, in my country, recruiting or dealing in mercenaries was outlawed several years ago.

[nbk2000]

Being a mercenary (from what I've read) has changed from what it used to be.

Once it was shooters, now it's technicians and trainers.

Anyone can pull a trigger, but very few can fix an attack helicopter or command an effective COIN operation.

[totenkov]

I am currently in high school. Shit marks because I am such a procrastinator and I guess if I really tried I could hit honors easily, but I just lack the drive. I spend wayyy to much time in my lab and blowing shit up.

I sleep through chem class and still pull of a 97% :D.

I work at a marina part time, but its winter, so they don't need me anymore, I gotta be careful or I will just end up blowing all my money on glassware and chems.

However I've got a will like no one else I have ever met. A drive for wealth. And one day, I will send Mega a shitload of $$$ for the forum when I hit it big time :D

[rangegal]

Believe it or not if you want a job that gives you access to a lot of chemicals, you might want to think about being a janitor. Today I wandered into my schools basement (where all the janitors keep their stuff) and found a HUGE stockpile of sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, ammonia, lots of different solvents, and tons of other stuff I didn't really take note of.

I wish I would've had my backpack with me at the moment... I'm sure the janitors wouldn't have noticed 1 quart of sulfuric acid missing out of what looked like about 200 bottles of it *drools on keyboard*.....

[megalomania]

Ahh, totenkov, your description sounds almost exactly like me, except for the drive for wealth part. I have never aspired to wealth, only a comfortable living.

[hatal]

I have never aspired to wealth...

Neither do I. I crave for POWER, to command and rule over land, Muhahaha...
But till' now I only rule over an office-desk. You got to start somewhere, eh? :rolleyes:

[totenkov]

Just move up from there! Many people I know are satified to stay with their crap desk job, go to the strip bar on friday nights and pay their rent only to repeat the exact same thing the next week. Doing it over and over again.

I would kill myself before I did that! If you had the chance to have anything, have a great amount of money and power, why the hell dont you take it? If you've got drive, and a will to suceed, bet your ass that you will eventually get there. I dont plan on retiring when I get out of highschool, you just have to keep working at it.

[sobreroHWE]

Blackwater mercenaries get paid by the state department and they can not be tried by U.S military or Iraqi courts. They are building HUGE :eek: training bases in the U.S. with the billions of dollars they rape us for.
They get paid out the ass and don't even have to identify themselves to civilian law enforcement.:cool: If you want a cool job, getting paid to look hard in wrap-around shades and blow shit up with no legal consequences, look them up.

[Charles Owlen Picket]

Blackwater mercenaries.....

What's the punchline?

[nbk2000]

The joke will be on U.S., that's the punchline.

[megalomania]

No man is immune from legal consequences. Lets see if they can buy themselves out of trouble. Do you think President Hillary Clinton, or President Barack Obama might not have something to say about mercenaries running amuck in the name of the US government? You know how fond of the military liberal demorats are...

I remember the heady days of President Regan's rule, followed by Bush the senior. All those Savings and Loan guys were living the good life... then Clinton and the Demorats took control, the SNL crimes came to light, and subpoenas were had for all. Ask Oliver North if following orders is enough to get you off the hook :) Ask all the Nazis hung at Nuremberg if the following orders defense worked. They were obeying the law at the time, but what is acceptable and what is criminal changes when new masters rule the kingdom.

[sobreroHWE]

I agree "I was only following orders" is not an acceptable legal defense, and will carry little or no weight in most courts. However, I listened to a NPR report about three or four BWUSA guys in NYC (anti self defense capitol) driving around with weapons in the open and a cop tried to question these neo-camo jack boot thugs (who looked like legit military guys, or national guard) and got told to fuck off. No license plates, no I.D, just armed, faceless para military SS in the streets, answering to no one.

I also agree that after king Bush II leaves his thrown, Cofer Black and his thug army will have more trouble with the law (just not with Bush-ified federal courts or the Bush Supreme Court.) But as long as the U.S is wasting 8 Billion a week on a war that is going no where, there will be a need to pay ex military to do a job that poor, "army of one" type volunteers, increasingly, won't do.

Not like the fucking pigs here are not already "answer to no one" type military wanna-be's, with all the guns, gas, tasers, backup, flash bangs, APC's etc. they need and a rubber stamp court system issuing warrants to rip the side of your fuckin' house off just to see if you "might" be the person they're looking for! FUCK!:mad:

[Emil]

Well I'm a plumber which actually is a lot more handy than you might first think.

For starters Sulphuric acid drain cleaner is my best friend and I can get away buying gallons of the stuff which is handy. Also various valves, fittings and PVC pipe are at my feet at any time. Also the job pays really well so I never have to worry too much about how much I spend on chems every month :). As soon as the pay slip comes in at the end of the month, I'm hunting for them straight away.

Also working around various locations, you come across plenty of janitors cupboards. I remember a few years ago I was working in a school, and funnily enough I was actually working in the chemical cupboard. And NONE of the chems had even been moved, they were all just sitting there on the shelf. To this day I wish I was into explosives back then. I could have had an easy take. The teacher readily gave me the key to the cupboard during the duration of the job as well. I'm not sure what exactly was there, but I imagine there would have been some Nitric acid and some other interesting chems. Only thing is it would have been quite obvious who had taken something if any of their chems had gone missing. (Few liters of Nitric acid stashed under my jacket :D)

[Zait]

Blackwater mercenaries get paid by the state department and they can not be tried by U.S military or Iraqi courts.

No idea where you are finding your propaganda but you might want to do a little research.

Blackwater employees get paid by Blackwater (who is a contractor under US Gov't contract). They aren't subject to UCMJ (Military Court) or Iraqi Civil Law (Iraqi Court) due to the way their contract was written. That just means they can't be tried by those two soverigns. It does not mean that they aren't held accountable or can't be tried by another soverign (US Dept. of Justice for example).


They get paid out the ass and don't even have to identify themselves to civilian law enforcement.:cool: If you want a cool job, getting paid to look hard in wrap-around shades and blow shit up with no legal consequences, look them up.

You are correct here, they don't have to identify themselves as civilian law enforcement. The reason for that is that they aren't civilian law enforcement. They have no legal authority, can't make arrests and are basically nothing more than security guards. Sure they are armed but so are security guards in the US (depending on where you are of course).

They also have legal consequences that the have to face http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/blackwater-silencers.

Every corporation in the US has it's faults but at least get the story straight. The guys involved in the much publicized shooting in Iraq are covered by the agreement between the State Dept and the Iraqi gov't (stupid move on Iraq's part but similar to what our troops overseas are covered by) and were given immunity prior to interviewing by DOS investigators (stupid move on DOS part).

It's a corporation run by a former SEAL who understands the value of protecting his employees and the benefit of a capitalist society. Don't blame him for the system, fault the system for making the rules.

Oh and back on topic:

I spent the better part of my youth in the US Army learning quite a bit about explosives and other odds and ends. I now spend my time destroying things that others don't have a need for which opens many opportunities for me to experiment with the topics that are discussed on this forum.

[jellywerker]

There are some lazy fuckers here. To those who say they lack the motivation to do well in school, etc... I admit I had the same problem, until I started looking at it differently. School is an education, no matter how crappy it may seem. Exploit it. Schools have resources you don't, and getting those good looking numbers or letters will let you do what you really want to do later in life.

[sobreroHWE]

ZAIT, I did not say they identify AS civilian law enforcement. A more careful reading will show I said TO civilian law enforcement. Id like to see rent-a-cop get away with that. :p

Second, your link simply said that investigators are "digging into allegations". Lets hope they get real justice just like Scooter Libby....right?:p

Thank you for clarifying; The "security guards" who murder women and kids (is that part of the story right Zait?) are just part of a flawed U.S corp.(not their fault, but the system) Oh yeah and the whole time being paid by Blackwater who gets the VAST majority of its money from the same people saying that murdering kids is OK if its in the contract.:p

[sobreroHWE]

You are right in that we should get back on topic.
Further research into both UPS and FedEx showed me that they ship LOTS of goodies. Calcium, ammonium, potassium and sodium nitrates, NA, SA, EG (pure), AL powder, Magnesium powder, H2O2, ammonia,formaldehyde, iodine etc. oh yeah and FedEx has contracts to ship "Detonator;electric" and "Detonator;non-electric" with all the rest of this shit.:D
(I tried to Edit that into my last post, but it failed sorry for making two)