What did you do during the crash?

[nbk2000]

I kept myself busy with the PDF. Got another 30 pages and couple of articles hacked out.

Did a buttload of research and downloading of files.

Read through the footlocker of clippings I've accumulated, tossed out the outdated shit, got some new ideas, yada..yada..

Finally got around to sorting out my hard drive, filing everything in neat folders, renaming and pruning, and burning 14GB to CDs. Got a few new drink coasters out of it too. :rolleyes:

Racked up some posts at other (GASP!) forums. Had to have someone to argue with. :p

Watched all the porn vids and pics I'd downloaded but didn't have time to "participate" in. ;)

Tweaked on my rig, got it spiffied up.

Tried my hand at 3-D sterograms. Might include some in the PDF if it's appropriate.

Still waiting for the video editing software I need to get my PDFs video content made. You know who you are. :D

Anyways, how'd did you manage to survive without your Forum fix?

[bangandow]

after reading here for a while i finally decided to actually put some of it to use and made the little step of buying some potassium permanganate. been messin with that a bit...

and ive been playing peacemaker at queerpier...

[BoB-]

My computer (fucking windows) crashed again, I've spent all week re-uploading files, fun stuff.

I didnt realize there was crash, although that explains why I dont have a signature anymore.

[DarkAngel]

Since i whas so stupid to break some things of my glasswork in a short periode i whasn't been able to nitrate anything.
But i organized my workplace and started experimenting with pyrotechnical mixtures.
I made Red coloured stars/Golden stars.(Which i used in a starmine)
an Al flare,H3 (KCLO3/Charcoal) Flashpowder(KCLO3/Flake AL/Charcoal).
I did some hammer tests on the H3 which can be readed on the UK forum.

And im preparing myself for New year.

[Ctrl_C]

managed this damn FTP that wont stay up due to 0 stability in windows, ripped some dvds, hooked up an unsuccessful watercooler and experimented in overclocking this new chip.

btw, i thought that was pretty awesome using the FTP as the forum, good thinking.

[kingspaz]

i ordered a some tartaric acid and 1 oz of silver bullion http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif. i also posted more on the uk forum than i usually do. i also downloaded some more porn http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

[a_bab]

First of all, I was extremely worried about the Forum. I didn't realized until the crash how much it means for me ;-)
I finally got installed Linux Mandrake 8.0
I downloaded from the ftp almost all I wanted to.
I had a fight with my girl friend (mainly because of the nervous breakdown caused by the forum crash, I guess).
I started to think about what I'll do for the New Year.
I arranged all the files in dirs, and I burned about 10 CD's, with only a coaster (win crash)
I discovered the J's forum (at least he's the mod), which is VERY boring.


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[Mick]

all right! i can post again!

well, i went and bought some h2o2 - 7 litres of 60%!! for $30(au)

other then that, all i did was work(hey, what can i say..my life sucks)

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[frostfire]

keep trying to access forum ftp to beg ctrl to take the a jolies file down (it was a mistake) till dual OS winME and win2000 crash. Then installing XP.....it is....really that good.
Finally another good microsoft product since win3.1 Haven't test it with Autocad, high Sys, simulation prog etc though.

By the way, what is the ftp address again?
Got my temp files wiped out

[EventHorizon]

Cleaned and organized my HDD's, downloaded some more porn, cleaned my upstairs to prepare from somemore experiments, and checked often to see if the forum was up.

[EP]

I checked here pretty much every day and spent more time at other forums I post at.

I thougt the feds shut it down or something!

[A-BOMB]

I had a dream while the forum was down that I made a ballmill and a AL foil grinder. a 1/4 pound of my new super flash that also came to me in a dream, and that i when hunting for grouse/pheastant/turkey/rabbit/squirrel/any thing that moves hunting then whil walking our lower ten acres I noticed some yahoo had out up a hunting shack so time to blow it up with the afno that I pulled out of my back pocket and then plant,cap,light,run!! boom!!
then later in my dream i got made that the 70 mm opitc on my .215 allways gets about a inch off target even if i just lightly bump it or put in the car to go ground hog massecuring of In my dream I took the scope off. And went on the computer and went the forum and it was up again then I woke up and when on the computer and what do my wondering eye but apper but a explosive and weapons forum full of death and guns. So then I got out my neral networking card and plug myself in and downloaded the pics of the .215 out of my mind onto my website. So ill post the pic of what my .215 looks like in my minds eyeball. http://paintball-and-stuff.freeservers.com/photos.html
or it that doesn't work this should probaly http://paintball-and-stuff.freeservers.com/photo.html/Dscf0018.jpeg
or that doesn't work just go to my site and to the pictures section.
And please click the link below i need only 1980 clicks to go till I can buy more lab equipment, so please click.

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[CodeMason]

I occupied my time by masturbating furiously and worrying about the Feds that seem to be slowly closing in on my ass.

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[Jhonbus]

I wish I could say I spent my time doing something worthwhile, or constructive. Alas, I spent 3/4 of the time in bed and most of the other quarter playing counter-strike online. Very little work was done :(

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[J]

There's been an upsurge of activity at the UK forum recently, so I haven't missed my fix ;-)

Managed to do some studying for my 2nd year uni exams, downloaded lots of episodes of The Lone Gunmen/X-Files, and made some plans for a timer to let me run a coffee grinder or ball mill intermittently. Even managed to 'aquire' most of the components from the lab ;-)

J

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[Anthony]

There seems to be a trend of Theforum goes down, porn site traffic goes uphttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

I would have spent more time at a forum that I go to when bored but it went down too so I just got bored. I also continued my trend of never getting anything done although not beign able to name anything that is consuming my free time.

I think I'm getting a brain tumor from sitting in front of this monitor.

[AR-15 Man]

Well since I am a survivalist I just went on those forums and chilled. And made some camping gear.

[Maddoc]

I got assaulted. Got hurt bad... broken bones. Enough said... Could have all been averted if I'd carried a weapon, but fuck no, British government wont allow it, so now I'm bruised and broken.

Revenge will be mine, worry not... http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif (Manic laughter follows)...

Aside from that, I played Hitman and Swat3, worked on some of my own masterworks to be released soon... http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

And learnt to skin up (roll a spliff) even with a broken hand.

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[Agent Blak]

I just can't understand how you(some people) can smoke grass all the time. I just don't get it. Yeah It was cool when I was 14-15 but come on every one needs to grow up. Maybe If you weren't rockin' the leaf you would have some sort of agression left...
Oh well that is my rant...
I kept up my martial arts training, and worked.

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[mark]

I blew up buckets with ap cherry bombs(the cool kind.) I also frequented 68"s forum as well as xinventions.

[nbk2000]

Maddoc, pepperspray is as close as a bottle of picante sauce and a squeeze bottle. I've used the plastic "real lemon" bottle. Looks like a lemon and contains lemon juice. $2 gets you armed.

If stopped by piggies, tell them it's for flavoring your food. They can't prove you wrong.

Here's my recipe for Marinated Asshole:

Find asshole. (more likely is asshole will find you)

Marinate assholes eyes with hot picante sauce

Proceed to tenderize asshole with steel toed boots or large rubber dildo.

Allow asshole to soak in own juices till unconcious.

Best when served cold.

About the dildo, I saw a guy get the shit beat out of him with a 16" double ended dildo. The fucker (HA!) was more than 2" thick solid black rubber. Better than a rubber hose for beating without breaking.

Although you may want to use a foam wrapped steel pipe to break the assholes bones in return.

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[J]

Agent Blak, do you know of any martial art that teaches fairly basic imobilising stuff like arm/wrist locks, without all the running around and somersaults etc? I don't want to take up something that involves plain exercise and gymnastics for half the training session (I once did Karate for a year and a half), since I already go to the gym regularly.

I don't feel the need to learn how to take on someone else who knows martial arts either, as these people generally aren't interested in starting fights unprokoked.

BTW, I agree with you about the dope. IMO, it kills the human spirit. And there's nothing more boring than being at a party where everyone's smoking dope!

NBK, personally I wouldn't want to carry around a 16" rubber dildo! And it's not the kind of thing I have lying around at home either ;-)

J

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[VX]

I got bored, and quickly spent the large part of my cash on glasssware, (beakers, flasks, leibig (spelling) condenser,and another load (5L 98%) of H2SO4 and H2O2 (2.5L 30%), HNO3 (500ml 70%). I have no money left but im having lots of fun!!

lastly, a question
Ive seen many people refer to the UK forum in this post and others in the archive. However, I cant for the life of me find it, any links to it or a URL to it. I have searched google, and the forum archives,

Im sure that their must be some info on it sumwhere and i am looking in the wrong places.

If any one wants to give me a point in the right direction feel free.
Thanks all,....... VX

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[nbk2000]

I bet if someone was fucking around with you, and you pull out a giant dildo, their going to stop messing with you real quick.

Why?

What kind of sick muthafucka carries one of those around in his pocket, and what's he going to do with it? :O

Images of knocked out, lying in the street with a dildo sticking out his ass come to mind.

Oh the shame!

Potheads are losers, straight up!

It's one thing for the occasional use, another for a lifestyle.

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[blackadder]

Jesus, I haven't posted in a while.

Cucumbers make nice weapons for beating the shit out of people. Especially when frozen, they can break glass, and maybe someone's skull. Imagine just smashing someone's face in with a cucumber.

At least you wouldn't get done in for carrying an offensive weapon.

[DarkAngel]

J i think that you should try to see if there is an Aikido school near you Aikido is famous about it's arm/wrist locks and it's throwings.

I always carry a can of CS with me and some other things CS is illegal here but let's be honest the world is going crazy i will take the chance that a cop one day will search me and find my CS than that some asshole try's to beat me up because i look at him or because i say something to him because he almost hit's me with his car or whatever (I think that i probably need to use it some day)
I hate the thing that CS and stun guns are illegal here but you can buy knifes/sticks and other (sharp) weapons which are all lethal.
And there are much better ways(You probably know this) than using a giant dildo.You just can't count on hoping that he thinks that your nuts (which i can't imagine in the first place that he just walks away or just stops attacking you).and what if it's dark?(A giang dildo with lights in it? http://geckomayhem.clanpages.com/fbi/forum/pictures/emoticons/aliens/wink2.gif )
My opinion is carry CS with you and something else like a knife so when someone attacks you use your Non lethal weapon on him which would be probably enough and if it's not use the knife.

This is the url of the Elite forum:
http://www.surf.to/eliteforum


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[kingspaz]

that us marines unarmed combat pdf i uploaded to the ftp has quite a few wristlocks and holds and other interesting things aswell as tactics and stuff. i'm trying to teach it to myself. the diagrams are good enough to learn off provided you have someone there to practice the move on a couple of times. then it just sticks in your head. theres also various counter moves to headlocks and chokes and thing which have proven effective when fighting with my bro.

oh that what i was going to say! the UK forum is:
http://www.surf.to/eliteforum

[Anthony]

One way to look at is if you get shit from stupid fuckers more often than you get searched by a cop, then the odds say carrying an illegal weapon is worth it.

Anway, this sits in the bottom of my bag:

http://www.geocities.com/eawfuk/walther.htm

Not real, but since nearly everyone in UK has only seen a gun on TV...

If they don't fall for it then I can always smack them round the face with ithttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif


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[BoB-]

The book "Black Medicine" (on the Forum FTP) is good, he punches you giving you a split lip, you punch him crushing his trachea.

(-Edit-) PS, Ganja be Jah's food man, you havent lived until youve burned one then went surfing.



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[nbk2000]

Who needs karate and kung-fu when you know gun-fu, BOOM-fu, and chem-fu?

And don't so easily dismiss the dark art of dildo-fu! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

There's value in the unexpected. Once I was at a grocery store and the only things I was buying was a giant banana and a tube of KY jelly.

I gave the bitch a $10 and she gave me change for a $20 with a strange look on her face. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

(And I bought the banana to eat it you fucking pervs!)

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[kingspaz]

don't you need kung-f when you got no gun-fu, boom-fu and chem-fu?...but you have a point we can do what 99.9% of the population can't!

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[CodeMason]

The cops would just laugh if they saw some goofy looking 16 year old throwing firecrackers at them. And then they'd mow you down with hot lead (any excuse to kill some punk kid, and hey, he was throwing "bombs" at you, right?)

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[EventHorizon]

Sure NBK, we beleive you.;) You still didn't tell us what the KY was for, lemme guess, personal moisurizer. :p

Chem-fu and Bomb-fu wouldn't be to good while being attacked (would be quite effective after the attack tho ;) ) but gun-fu would be most acceptable. :D

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[angelo]

No matter how big the guy is, a well aimed kick in the balls will drop him like a sack of shit.

My next door neighbour's daughter got mugged last tuesday. Unfortunatly it wa a woman that was doing the mugging. I have now supplied all the females next door with PVC knives.

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[nbk2000]

Chem-fu ain't nothing to fuck with!

Substitute lye for the pepper juice and you have a lethal weapon.

An attack with lye qualifies as aggravated assualt because of the disfiguring and painful injuries that lye causes.

It can kill if ingested or squirted down an attackers throat. It'll blind if it contacts the eyes for more than 10 seconds, which it most surely will unless they jump into a nearby pool. It burns with permanent scarring if touched. Think "Fight Club"

In other words, anyone attacked with lye is lucky to survive.

Cost: less than $5

A pocket super soaker loaded with lye, pumped up, and kept in a plastic bag in a pocket will put any street punk out of action permanently. Not too many blind muggers running around, it there?

Might want to pump it up wearing rubber gloves under a thick blanket while wearing chemical proof googles in the bathroom with the shower running. Just in case it blows up while pumping it up.

Then let it sit for a few days somewhere safe. If it doesn't dissolve or sprout a leak, you're good to go.

If using it for revenge, make sure you hose his eyes real good so he can't do the sketch artist or lineup. And I know it britan they got those dammed cameras everywhere. May have to check on that to make sure you're not caught on tape.

Or hydrofluoric acid, goes through the flesh unaffected, only to dissolve the bone underneath. Imagine a mugger who's face literally liquifies. :O ;) Then the extra calcium in the blood stops the heart. All with mimimal external injury.

KY, jack-lube of choice. Much better than vaseline or other oily shit that's a pain to clean.

In prison I'd use mayonaise since they're NOT selling KY in the canteen. Just squirt out a packet in your palm, rub your hands together for a few seconds to heat it up and break it down to an oil, then slip-slide away!

If you use it to lube up before you fuck your bitch, when you pull out and stick it in her mouth, she'll have a "tuna fish salad" stick to suck on. HAHAHAHA!

And there's no excuse to be without Gun-Fu. I find it impossible to believe that with the Forum at your disposal, that a person couldn't improvise at LEAST a single shot gun!

I mean COME ON! Even commies in the depths of stalinist russia were able to improvise single shots.

A piece of tubing, some match heads, a steel wool igniter, a ball bearing, plus a battery and switch with a handle for the whole thing.

You can build one for free from shit around the house for Gods sake!

Here's an idea:

Get a toy gun or air gun that looks realistic (may have to paint it black).

Gut it and insert your improvised single shot.

Rig the switch to the guns trigger.

Now, if some punk fucks with you, cap him in the gut. Smoke, flash, bang, and a real bullet.

To everyone else concerned(like his buddies) you've got a gun. They don't know that you've just "shot your load" and have nothing left but harsh words, but they probably aren't going to test your patience.

Add a $5 laser pointer, and you're the baddest mutha in the (dark) neighborhood.

And being so cheap to build, you can make them up as needed and toss them without worry.

Oh, an idea!

Paper battery, conductive plastic wires, microfilament igniter, pyroxylene (nitrocellulose) plastic body, non-nitrate propellant, PTFE shock slugs, ceramet barrel with laminated graphite reinforcement, all in a pepperbox configuration.

This equals a totally non-metallic, multi-shot, self-destructing gun that, when you pull an igniter in the handle, the nitrocellulose body burns into ash, burning everything to ash too.

BTW, everything mentioned DOES exist and I even have URLs and patent #s to prove it. Just not as an integrated weapon.

Can you find them like I did? If so, post them here. If not....shame! And you call yourselves pyros...tsk, tsk (shaking head)!

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[Mr Cool]

Yeah, plastic TV screens that you can roll up and put in your pocket also exist, but that don't make them common...
Where have you seen plastic wires for sale?

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[EventHorizon]

hmm, chem-FU. I do beleive I stand corrected. ;(

Now the HF acid (I'm guessing in a PTFE squirt bottle) would be quite nasty.

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[simply RED]

I spent some disastrous times after i fukced up the car with nitro and acids...
Firts i had to pay the demmage.. Then i decided that making explosives every fucking day is dangerous job and tried to reform(not to make detonation devices every day). The problems never ended..i was drunk several times and i had problems with a slut i happen to know from the internet chat (mIRC). Now i feel good from TOO MUCH time again. I'm absolutely alone at home, reading the forum! I have turned on my amateour radio and i'm listening to the local repeater... I will make some TCAP that night!
I forget to tell what happened when a stray dog got in front of me while i was extremely angry... I was carying a medicine "injection" full of 98% H2SO4(you know how good it is for everyone'e eyes). The dog started to bark at me, i sprayed all the 20ml acid in its eyes. It started to "scream" and moove in all directions... I left it that way...
Oh yeah, KILL, CRUSH AND DESTROY...

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[Anthony]

NBK, I've got a single shit .22LR that I made from scrap lying around but I'll be fucked if I'm carrying it about. With intent to use it (remember that the UK sucks and self defense under *any* circumstances with a *legal* firearm is illegal), I will go down. No "oh you haven't got a concealed carry permit for that, naughty, naughty have a fine". As much fun as your mayonaise adverntures sounds, asking my cellie to take a walk while I make my dick reek of tuna for the rest of the night, isn't worth it just too look like a badass mofu...

[nbk2000]

Who said anything about asking him to leave? :p

And it's not like you can say "Hey man, I need to spank the monk..take a walk." and he'll go open up the cell door and walk out to the yard. ;rolleyes;

You may be stuck with him 24/7 for months at a time if the place is on lockdown, with only 5 minutes every other day to take a shower.

You learn to get over being shy about body functions real quick cause you're going to be showering, shitting, and yes, even spanking the monk either in plain sight of, or literally arms reach of (even if not visible), your "significant other".

Being celled up with someone is probably a more intimate (if that's the word for it) relationship than marriage. At least in a marriage you can get away from them for a day or forever if you don't like each other. In prison, you're stuck together whether you like it or not.

So spank the monkey, and pass the magazine to your cellie. Either that or start passing the spit.

And I'd much rather smell tuna than shit, eh? ;)

Although maybe your preferences are different. Takes all kinds...I guess. :)

As for the gun, I'd assume you'd only pull your piece if you're going to use it (RTPB #49). Waving it around is stupid.

And if you DO pull it out, you'd only be doing so to kill the SOB who forced you to, right? Otherwise what's the point?

All the more reason for chem-fu anyways. Nice and quiet, except for the screaming anyways.Seems like simply RED got the point of chem-fu.

I didn't say the things for the "stealth" gun were common, just that they existed and are available to those willing to find them.

www.business.com (http://www.business.com) and other such sites are a good place to start.

Get to looking.

If you guys can't find it, I'll start passing along hints.



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[Zach]

About those realistic-looking guns...
I've made one myself, out of a hoaky-looking plastic squirt gun bought at some rinky-dink gas station/truck stop on my way through Kansas. I went over the whole thing with some sandpaper (240 I think), popped off the grip plates (the things that look like the embedded grip) and taped over where the grip plates used to be with masking tape. I then primed the whole shebang with light coats of primer (about 8), and let that cure overnight. the next morning, I painted the damn thing with light coats of black spray enamel and the grip plates with brown testors (model paint). took the tape off, epoxied the plates back on and touched it up with testors. it took maybe a couple of days (I was grounded, and had nothing to do. couldnt even use the computer !!!) but thats because i was really meticulous about the whole deal.
my old man saw it and his eyes went really wide until he realized it was a squirt gun...
and i shoot the neighbors god damn barking dogs with ammonia or vinegar... works wonders. I'm sure it'd scare off your more common less ballsy neighborhood punk.




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[AmonDin]

Gah, I found the most idiot-filled, flag waving forum I could find (ICQ forums), and started a giant flamewar. Played paintball a few times (now my gun leaks). Did a few minor escapades around town. (10 lbs of colorless, unflavored gelatin + 1 garbage can full of water = 10 ft pillar of clear jello on main street) Slept a lot, played hockey, and wrecked my car.

How was your weekend?

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[Anthony]

Funny how you don't get insights into those parts of prison culture on tv:) I didn't realise you were locked down pretty much 24/7, thought you might have been in one of those prison where you can wonder about during the day. Guess it depends what sort of security level the prison is.

I wonder if anyone ever severly beat/killed their cellie for repeatedly taking a really stinking shit when locked down...

I wouldn't kill some POS unless my life really depended on it. I'd rather take a kicking and be mugged than go away in maximum security. Call me a pussy, but I'd rather die than do life, it's the same punishment but one option gets you buggered...

homemade is a very good idea, although I'm not convinced with lemon juice. Can anyone recommend a potent chemical (that can be bought or synthesised) that will disable but guaranteed not to damage, even if the person is say a chronic asthmatic?

[DarkAngel]

NBK said that he only used the lemon juice bottle to fill with hot sauce.
I think that you could extract the juice of a very hot pepper which is much more pure than hot sauce.

Just a thought but would it be possible to attach a "ventiel" (I don't have a dictionary with me but i mean the thing that's on a car/bike weel that can be attached to a pump)
to an empty aerosol can and pour pepper juice in it and pump air in it?

I heard from someone that's from the UK that he bought a stun gun from the guns2you website which worked,try to buy CS gas there.

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[Anthony]

"valve" Darkangelhttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Of course commercial pepper spray or mace will work very well, but it needs to be disguised (either lemon juice bottle of Vick's nasal shit).

I've heard of ground peppers working for about 5secs, I get the impression that foodstuff isn't really potent enough.

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[Zach]

Cumin (not to be confused with cinnamon!)is a very strong nasal aggrivator(made me sneeze for minutes, very violently), ground cloves wreak havoc on the eyes, and ground pepper (black or white) work on the eyes nose and mouth. horseradish powder or juice/paste are VERY powerful deterrents. I was once grinding up horseradish from the garden and just the "fumes" were too much to take for more than 5 minutes. I imagine a couple of ounces of that juice would work well to stop whoever is antagonizing you. I would mix the above dry ingredients in a bag and have a (VERY well sealed container) of horseradish juice too.

P.S. horseradish juice will ruin any grinding or juicing equipment you use. its nearly impossible to get rid of the smell/residual taste.

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[nbk2000]

US Patents #

5698180 Black Pepper and Vinegar Tear Gas

5217708 Typical Peppergas Formulation

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[grey]

A good improvised irritant chem is Chilli oil. Do a search on some of the druggy sites for 'oil extraction' and make your own weapons grade chilli sauce http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif.
The 'spray' in fact needs to be a JET to ensure a directional effect - the more mist you get increases the chances of you/other goodies getting dosed as well. Oils thinned sufficiently with metho or turps will stay as a jet and will also stick better to the target (also blurs camera lenses).
Pick the chilli type which causes max damage per cc of oil because there is no such thing as a 'lite' weapon.
You need to cause A LOT of pain in case you need to use it on a DOG or two - these have a BIG motivation level when hit with chemicals and you need to be able to blind them. No don't fry next door's toy poodle; think Dobie(s) ...
If you are going to improvise a pressure pack of some sort test it with water first http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gifhttp://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif a gas grenade going off in your pocket ...say 100 cc of chilli oil... will bring the day to an early end ...HAHA

ok so now we are getting onto improvised gas grenades....mmmmmm

[Anthony]

Thankyou NBK, that first patent is great! I'll make some of that stuff.

Only thing I'm shprt of is pure ethanol, I've got isopropanol and I've got denatured ethanol (around 6-10% methanol). Considering that it's likely to be inhaled, are either of these alcohols at all dangerous?

[Anthony]

"Isopropanol is mildly toxic, just don't sniff it"

The idea is that someone will be breathing a vapor of it.

I realise that methanol is highly toxic but the treatment for methanol poisoning is an ethanol drip as the body metabolises ethanol in preference to methanol so the methanol is broken down slowly and the resulting (toxic) products don't reach dangerous levels.

The idea is that denatured alcohol is not fit to drink, but how dangerous would inhaling a small amount be?

Edit: I was just in the shop getting the other ingredients when I noticed the spirits behind the counter, Vodka - 40% ethanol solution, they've got small flasks too so it's a small outlay (£10+ for a full sized bottle). The boiling point of acid acid is 118*C so gentle simmering of the vinegar should concentrate it enough that the extra water added, in the ethanol should dilute it back to 5%.

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[Anthony]

I forgot to report back on this:

I made the stuff, you end up with bad smelling dark brown liquid (without the food colouring).

First test was inhale deeply above the container folding the liquid: Nothing but a strong smell (mind you it's not intended to attack the respiritory tract)

Second test was to put a little on the end of my finger and dab it just below my eyeball: Not really anything, possible mild watering of eye.

Third test was to actually dab it onto the surface of my eyeball: mild stinging sensation, some (mild) watering.

In conclusion; not really any worse than vinegar would be alone. So I've ordered some CS spray instead - If I test it it'll be on someone else:)

[megalomania]

You can't just boil the vinegar in the open to conc it, life is not that fair. I have tried this myself, and read about it, it just dosn't work as theory would seem to indicate. You need to run a simple or fractional distillation. Only when the difference in boiling points of your mixed liquids is very large does this work (ie. sulfuric acid and water).

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[Anthony]

Thanks, I didn't think it had been too sucessful (taste test). Even if it had I doubt that the mix would be particularly potent.

[nbk2000]

I've hashed over the idea of replacing the CS in mace sprayers with thickened CX. CX is an NBC abbrev. for Phosgene Oxime, a vesicant like mustard.

Prep:
Reduction of chlorpicrin with tin/HCL.

Chloropicrin from nitromethane and pool chlorinator.

Both processes are patented.

Causes instant, excruciating pain, immediate blistering with raised welts, tissue necrocesis (SP?), and even after it heals (several months later) the blisters continue to reappear time after time for a year or more.

Needless to say, you blast someone with this in the face it'll instantly, and permanently, blind them.

But hey, if you don't want to use a gun...

Spray it on an assholes carseat, street punks favorite curb, whatever,

Oh, and CS is a way worse lung irritant than OC pepper spray.

Someone sent me some pictures of the black pepper/vinegar mace a year or more ago. It was straight black.

Did you use fresh pepper? If it's been sitting around in the shaker forever than it could have lost the volatiles that make it so irritating.

Perhaps using glacial acetic acid diluted to proper strength would help?

Personally, I don't see the purpose in trying to find a weak tear gas. Seems counter-productive. But I understand the laws in britan are screwy as regards your right to self-defense.

If you're going out at night, you might want to think about using a hand-held flash blinder. This is basically a converted flashlight that sets off a HUGE photographic flash bulb.

The flash is in the million candlepower range and will blind someone at night for several minutes without physical evidience to connect it to you.

Shouldn't be too hard to make one.

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[Anthony]

Hehe, mustard gas mace - only you'd think of that NBK:)

I used new shop-bought dried black pepper. I don't know if you can get fresh black pepper, I'm no spice guru.

I'll get some pepper spray when I'm on your side of the pond, but that won't be until february. So the CS will do for now (I only ordered it as I was ordering a blank firing Glock 17 anyway (might well see live rounds:))

I know of an OC source of 24% acetic acid but it's a fair journey away and I don't have a need for the homebew stuff anymore. Although I'll probably pursue it for acedemic purposes.

I'll look into the flash bulb idea.

[BoB-]

I've always wondered about the effectiveness of aerosol pesticides as a defense weapon, I imagine breathing in poison would be very distracting.

Hell, then you could have a combo pocketdragon, and irritant projector.

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[Mr Cool]

I know for a fact that the stuff you get from distilling NaHSO4 with glycerol works well, but it leaves a nasty black residue in your distillation flask which is hard to get out. Not exactly a major problem though...

I have a small, extremely powerful torch that I got in the US a while ago, and it came with a little leaflet of other products. One was a large torch designed specifically for self defence - blind them with it, then beat the crap out of them with it! Seemed like it'd be an effective combination. The one I've got is 8" long and can soften black plastic with the beam.

Here's an idea that I've never seen discussed before - converting air cartridge weapons to fire live rounds. The only thing I can think of that you'd need to do is reinforce the barrel - it's already rifled in .22 calibre, they're designed to fire .22 centrefire air cartridges with .22 ammo., the barrel can't be blocked or they wouldn't work... anyone had a look at one of these, to see if it was a possibility?
(Edit: obviously if you wan't a calibre with slightly more stopping power then these wouldn't help. But beggars can't be choosers!)

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[Anthony]

What are the effects of this glycerol/sodium bisulfate product? Any possible harmful effects?

I presume that the air cartridge guns are the Brocock ones? If so, the cheaper models are based on blank firing guns and so suffer many of the same problems as converting blank firing guns. Cheifly poor construction/materials. They also have inbuilt devices to prevent conversion to .303 (or was it .308?) as the air cartridges are the same dimensions as these. It has been done though as the police have confiscated several successful conversions.

Something I forgot to mentions is that the CS spray looks like a bit like a stubby marker pen, so I'll probably disguise it as one.

[nbk2000]

The glycerol/bisulfate product is Acrolein, as described in PMJB1, and in Sartori's "War Gases".

It's more toxic than phosgene, and isn't really intended for spraying in someones eyes, but it'll certainly do the job.

Mr Cool, by "Torch" you mean a device used for illumination (Flashlight), not a device for welding or melting things, correct?

I've seen flashlights like the one you mentioned. One is made by streamlight, costs like $600, and puts out a LOT of light. They even call it an (I hate this word) "Assualt" light because you can flashblind people with it.

I've got a $20 spotlight made in china that puts out a million candlepower that I've used to light up assholes with before. They run like cockroaches when the kitchen light is turned on. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

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[zaibatsu]

I think the air cartridges are .380, as .303 or .308 would be rifle sizes I think. Possibly if you machined a piece of metal so that it was the size and shape of an air cartridge, and so you could fit in a .22, it might work then.

[Anthony]

Hmm, more toxic than phosgene... I remember it though as something that toxic and that easy to produce would be great in certain circumstances.

380 would be 9mm and the cartidges aren't really 9mm shaped (too long and thin). I'll try and find a magazine later which mentions their similarity to a firearm round.

[vulture]

Anthony, you said you couldn't get glacial acetic acid?? I have approx. 500ml of 100% that i got from a lab that closed down, is it that hard to get?


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[Anthony]

Well, I don't know of an over-the-counter source of glacial acetic acid.

Bugger, I forgot to look for that magazine.

[nbk2000]

GA acid can be found in photography suppliers. It's used during the development process. Fairly cheap too.

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[Anthony]

My mistake about the calibre, as soon as I saw the picture I realised that you were right - they look just like a .38/9mm.

Funny, a photograhpy place is where I saw the 23% stuff.

[vulture]

well, if the 23% is not to expensive, you could try to concentrate it by cooling it below 15C, the acetic acid will normally freeze and you'll be able to seperate it from the water

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[Maddoc]

I have one of those "Air Cartridge" pistols, made by Brocock.

The cartridge is a brass formed, .357 cartridge, with a plunger mechanism inside.

The firing pin in the pistol hits the centerfire "plunger", this opens the vent at the front of the cartridge releasing the pressurised air inside the cartridge, propelling the .22 (or .177) pellet.

The pellet is held in a screw on, "bracket" on the front of the cartridge,

I will post pictures as it is quite difficult to explain with words alone.

But, the guns are made in Italy (cant remember the company name), desinged to fire live rounds, however Brocock merely puts on a special cylinder with a .357 chamber size that drops to a .22 at the end.

So all one would have to do is put a new cylinder on the gun, and ta-da. I had always pondered using a Taraus .22 Hornet cylinder on mine.

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[Anthony]

I got the CS spray today. First thing was to take the "cap" off which had the nozzle built into it and examine how it worked, surprised to see now safeties it went to press the cap back on. A spurt of liquid come out, good job it wasn't under much pressure else it would have hit me in the face.

After another unsuccessful attempt (pointing away from me this time) I realise that you can't press the cap back on without it spraying. So I wrapped the unit in tissue paper, cap against floor and stuck the base, that got it back on.

So I go into the bathroom and test the spray trigger, (right down the drain) it was a bit stiff but ok.

Why am I mentioning all this crap? Because in the bathroom my nose started to burn (after sneezing), this spread onto my top lip, up my cheeks, under my eyes and down under my jaws. My whole face felt like it was red hot and the application of cold water didn't help. This effect lasted about 5 minutes before easing off.

I think this was just from being in the same room as it being sprayed. I also suspect that I had some on my hands and spread it when trying to wash my face with the cold water.

I also think it is not water soluble as despite washing the unit earlier. I picked up the unit to check a detail before writing this post, during writing I touched under my eye which started burning a bit. I went and rinsed it with water (my hands too). Since I was in the bathroom I decided to take a piss - yes, I know have a burning penis... Thankfully not nearly as bad as my face was.

I really wouldn't to take a good blast of this stuff in the face, I don't know what it would be like in your eyes.

Anyone know what will break down the active ingredient in CS spray so I can wash the unit properly? I vaugely recall vinegar being mentioned.

[Jhonbus]

I don't know what will break it down, but it is probably soluble in nonpolar solvents (eg. petrol)

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[DarkAngel]

Yes i also read about vinegar earlyer.
You could also buy Aerosol Spray Decontaminate Wipes from here http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/decon.htm

Putt your finger on the nozzle of the can after you sprayed it and then hold it against one of your eyes this is what i did outside in a German city ,my eyes teared like hell.

I found a new kind of improvised mace pure "eucalyptus" oil.
it's the stuff they use in "Tiger Balm" and in Vics products i whas so stupid again to test it in a public place (the store) when i did the same thing as i stated above it immidiatly gave a very strong burning feeling and my eyes started to tear only CS is stronger but still this stuff is very strong.

And Anthony i don't know how your can of CS looks like but if i whas you i would putt something on the back of the can behind the button so when you need to use it you can immidiatly feel in which direction you need to hold it.

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[Arkangel]

Well assuming you're nowhere near a CCTV camera, something that could be an altogether more colorful alternative to mace would be the good old lpg cigarette lighter refills.

I've seen these little pistol grips that you can put on aerosol paint cans to make them easier to use. All you need is an ignition source and you have a mini flame thrower that's going to send out a 5 foot flame and fill the pants of anyone with nasty things on their mind. In fact, if you are ever stuck somewhere cold, these cans make superb instant heaters. Two or three squirts and the room is toasty warm.

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[PYRO500]

That is pretty much the same thing as nbk's pocket dragon, except not many butane refill tanks will hold a regular spray nozzle on the,

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[nbk2000]

A solution made up from water and sodium metabisulphate, sold as Campden tablets used in home brewing and as a rust remover, neutralises the effects of CS.

Don't use it in the eyes though.

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[Anthony]

Thanks for that NBK and thanks for the link DarkAngel.

[Kid Orgo]

Where I live, you can get a concealed hi-capacity carry permit at age 21. My friends older bro has one. He is legally allowed to carry a semiautomatic handgun with up to 10 shot capacity. Some fuckwad tries to mug him, instant ventilation.

As far as self defense goes, I'll rely on hapkido, tae kwon do, and a sharp knife.

[nbk2000]

Stop...just stop...you're becoming annoying.

You're post whoring.

And bringing up old threads just to add your little say is REALLY annoying.

Restrict yourself to two replies per day for the next week, regardless of section. This will force you to prioritize your responses to something (hopefully) worth hearing, rather than the trivial crap you've been posting so far.

As a newbie, you haven't shown that you've got things worth listening to yet, so you're not in the position to be replying with trivial shit, not having already established your worth like respected members have.