Thermite Mix in PMJB vol.1

[green beret]

In the PMJB 1, Kurt states his own mix for making thermite.

He measures it by volume instead of weight, I need to know if this mix is as efficient as the various others that are out there, and if it will perform tasks that the others do.

I ask because he measures by volume, and I thought it may not be as efficient as doing it by weight.

Also, what size thermite charge would be required to burn a hole all the way through a vehicles engine, out the other side (straight down).

PS Sorry I couldnt state the mix Kurt uses, havent got the book with me.
Also anyone from Australia wishing to order books from America should do so from Loompanics-Excellent Service.

[nbk2000]

3 parts (by volume) red or black Iron Oxide and 2 parts fine aluminum powder, according to my copy of the PMJB1.

That's a pretty standard mix ratio.

As for melting a hole through an engine block, it'd take more thermite than you could afford or lift.

You don't need to melt a hole through and through to disable an engine. Just enough heat to distemper the block and warp the cylinders is enough.

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[green beret]

Thanks NBK.
How much Thermite do you reccomend to take out an engine, I am assuming that I would just place it on the block, or better still, the carburettor.

Also I can get my hands on some Ultra fine grade aluminium, finally.



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[Anthony]

I recall a test where a house brick sized block of thermite was ignited on top of an aluminium engine block, which resulted in some warping. It'd be different for a cast iron block though.

Even a small amount of liquid iron in the carb is going to fuck things up though. You might be able to hide it in the air filter casing if you want it concealed.

[PYRO500]

If you want to fuck the car beyond repair, just put some on the engine, that is likely to be one of the most expensive easy to damage parts. the carb of a car can easily be replaced.

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[nbk2000]

If a person were to remove a spark plug, and pour the thermite into a cylinder, then when the thermite was ignited, it would weld the piston inside the cylinder, rendering the whole engine block useless and beyond repair.

8 ozs would be sufficient if internally fired like this.

One could stick the thermite on top of the gas tank, that should achieve some spectacular effects.



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[mongo blongo]

While on the subject of Thermite, I was thinking if it would be possible to plastisize or bind it in some way.
If it would work, you could cut steel in any shape you want. You could cut a circle out of the top of a car for instance.
Im guessing that if it was possible the binder would not be inert but I cant think of anything that would do this job.
Placing it in a polymetric matrix could stop it from burning properly so I'm a bit sceptical about this. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif
What do you think?

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[DarkAngel]

I whas thinking about that some time ago to.
Yesterday i made some Calcium Sulphate thermite it burns with alot of light but it doesn't burn as hot as normall thermite,but calcium sulphate is plaster of paris(good binder) and when you mix a bit trough your normall thermite it could be used as a binder without effecting the burn rate alot(so it still burns very hot)
A very simple way of making a thermite torch would be mixing it with plaster of paris than with water scoop this on a piece of paper and roll/kneed it into a stick shape ,when it's hard you could remove the paper or just let it sit.
light it and push it on the thing you whan't to use it on.
If you would putt it into a metal pipe you will never be able to burn trough something as the thermite doesn't burn away the pipe and would just burn till the end so you need a container that will easely burn away.

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[nbk2000]

From a US Navy patent #4,349,396 :

"A composition which has been considered for pyrotechnic uses comprises gypsum (AKA Plaster of Paris), aluminum, and water. But due to its unreliability, sometimes burning too slowly and other times detonating, this composition has not been adopted."

I had made a block of the plaster/aluminum and when it burned, it was brighter than day. It burned for a few seconds and the manhole cover I had it sitting on was virtually unaffected.

Thermite forms a slag of molten iron, this melts through materials.

The plaster/metal mix would be useful as a cutting torch as described in the patent.

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[A-BOMB]

NBK do you have the formula for that plaster/metal thermite mix?
Because I have all the parts you listed and would like to try to make some.

[kingspaz]

i think usually thermite mixtures are quoted by volume because if needed fast they can be measure with whats around. also i've made lots of wrong mixtures and they still burn like fuck. eg, i used double the amount of Fe2O3 and it still burnt VERY well.
so heres the formulas:
For black iron oxide (Fe2O3)
Fe2O3 + 2Al ----> Al2O3 + 2Fe
1:2
2(56) = 112 + 3(16) = 160
27*2 = 54
160g Fe2O3 for every 54g Al = 3:1 Fe2O3/Al by weight

For Red iron oxide (FeO)
3FeO + 2Al ----> Al2O3 + 3Fe
3:2
56 + 16 = 72*3 = 216
2*27 = 54
216g FeO for every 54g of Al = 4:1 FeO/Al by weight

i think red iron oxide is a better choice since it produced more iron for the amount of Al used which means it *should* be more destructive.

[nbk2000]

A-Bomb, unfortunately I don't. I got the formula from the black book series, volume three. I may have a text file of it somewhere though.

I'd recommend reading the patent I referenced, and checking the patents that they refer to. One of them surely has a formula.

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