Liar Exposed! (formerly P.E 4 And A Car)

[Victim]

*One* has just got hold of half a kilo (1lb) of P.E 4, and as one lives in the middle of nowhere, *one* decided, that the old car thats on my field would be a nice thing to test out the new "fly for a second" propellant for cars, I have put in a picture of the P.E 4, the set wire, and the det cap, (all mil spec - nothing improvised here)
And was wondering, where would be the best place to place the charge for the most damage to a car, the car has no petrol in the tank unfortuantly, and if *one* does plan do carry this out, I may not be able to film it as I don't have a video camera, but I might be able to get a before and after shot. This should prove intresting, so, just some feedback on the best place to place the charge for the most damage.
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/thevictim/images/pe4.GIF The P.E 4, The Det Wire, The Det Cap.
EDIT: - The reason I havent posted this in High Explosives is although the explosive mentioned is a high explosive, im talking more about the use of high explosives, therefore I have posted it in this section.

[This message has been edited by Victim (edited August 20, 2001).]

[10fingers]

Sounds like fun, wish I could see it!
I would place the charge under the car as close to the center as possible. If you could put some sandbags around the charge it would direct the force upward, thereby gaining more vertical lift.

[Victim]

I was thinking about making up two charges on the same det line, but placing one next to the engine, and the other on the back seat, and maybe have a 5gallon of petrol sitting next to the change in the back, as we all like to see some fire damage hehe http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif, if all goes as planned and my pussy mates are daring enough *one* will do it either friday or saturday, so I will keep you posted : o)

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[Mr Cool]

You got a pound of military P.E.4? How did you do that you lucky bastard?!
Anyway, that sounds VERY fun, it'd be great if you could get before and after shots for us to see.
Personally, I prefer no gasoline fireball, but it's your explosive so do what ever makes you happy! Fireballs remind me of shitty action films where the pyrotechnician doesn't know what he's doing, and uses petrol and detcord to simulate a bomb.

[10fingers]

I forgot to ask, what is P.E. 4? I agree with Mr. Cool on the gasoline, it may not even work.


[This message has been edited by 10fingers (edited August 22, 2001).]

[Mr Cool]

I'm not very sure of it's exact ingredients, but I'm guessing it's an RDX and/or PETN based Plastic Explosive.

[Victim]

I will explain here for those of you that don't know how to attach picture's to a post, first of all you need to upload your picture to a server like angelfire.com or something (angelfire.com will let you link pictures but only if there .GIF files) then all you do is type in the following replacing the " " for < and >
"img src="the location of your picture.gif" its as easy as that. If you don't understand, tell me and I will eMAIL you with a more easier to understand explantion.
Edit: I forgot to write my bloody reply lol, well neways, I got the PE4 from a friend whom is the kind of bloke you meet in a shady pub down London. (no offense to anyone from London) The whole lot only cost me £80, so not a bad deal, Reading your reply's I do agree that the fireball effect is "TV'ish" so I've scrapped that, but what do you think on the area to actually place the charge? middle of car? under the car? engine block? I thought about 4 seperate charges all rigged together, and place one each under the rim of the type for max damage? I don't know much about using explosives to cause the max damage, but *one* has used this stuff before, and it feels like that window putty, but warm.

[This message has been edited by Victim (edited August 20, 2001).]

[phyrelord]

if you put it under the back end of the car you would more than likely flip the car up into the air because the weight of the motor will hold down the fron of the motor. If you're going for looks inside the engine bay would be best because the motor and the firewall will contain the pressure and send the hood off into space. not to mention make one hell of a fireball. Something I would do is try to cut the car in half. Put the explosive on every sturdy beam under the car or make it a convertable by blowing off all of the door posts. Hey no matter what have fun.

[Mr Cool]

I don't know what the best place to put it would be. I think maybe right in the middle of the car, or on/in the engine. Or you could mix a load of .25" ball bearings in with the P.E.4, and turn the car into a giant pepper pot.
But I think have all the explosive in one place.
Hehehe, if your mate gets any more of that stuff, tell him I'm interested!! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

www.ribbands.co.uk (http://www.ribbands.co.uk) sell an inert training version of P.E.4, perhaps you could extract and use the plasticiser from it? It's not controlled, but sold only to legitimate users. £4 for 8oz, so maybe a bit expensive.

[Victim]

Yup, the white stuff is det cord, and I was planning on setting it electronically (as I don't wanna do it with a 6second fuse like *one* normally does http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif)
For setting it *ones* decided to place it on on five parts of the car,
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back left wheel
back right wheel
front left wheel
front right wheel
under the axle of the car
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I belive this will give it the most damage, and may cut the car in half, if not, at least fucking the car to nothingness http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif which is what we like http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif
I've just brought some film for my camera (polroid camera) and I thought they were cheaper than the ones I normally get, and now I know why, there fucking black and white, im extreamy pissed off at that. And costing £13 for 10 picture's, is a pisstake as well, but ah well they will do. *One'll" get some picture's of the charge before I set it and everything, I will try to get some mid explosion picture's, but people whom have tried taking pictures mid explosion will tell you how bloody hard this is, as you like you like to watch the explosion with your eye, not through the viewfinder of a camera/video camera.
Well anyways, with all the excitment, I've bullied my friends into doing it tomorrow (wait I mean today as its 12:39 on the 21'st) so I will post the picture's after I've scanned them in that *one* just happend to find in a bin on the way home http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif.

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[BoB-]

Shit, dude if thats detcord you might as well back up the main charge with some ever-cleansing firebombs http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

[megalomania]

When the do this in the movies, they make a mortar section in the center of the car facing down. A plate is welded on top of the mortar (inside the car) and a short length of telephone pole is put in the mortar as the projectile. It’s a big ass diameter of wooden telephone pole to boot. The explosive shoots out the pole and flips the car up into the air. Additional explosive mortars aimed at the doors and the hood makes everything fly open. I would think that in terms of pure explosive damage placing the charge in the engine compartment would tear the metal to shreds and rip most of the car apart. Placing it underneath the front may get you damage and effect. You may also want to place a dummy in the drivers seat and locate the explosive underneath the seat, if you want to practice assassination techniques.

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[Victim]

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! What fecking fun!!
I've just got back from sett..aherm, "watching" the car off, and OH my bloody ears! there still ringing, and I was like over 400meter's away, I put the charge under the middle of the car, apart from what I said, I found a peice of thin metal in the boot of the car (it cover'd the spare wheel in the boot) So I bent it in half and then opened it up so it was in a "\/" shape, I turned it over so it was
"/\" and put the charge on top of the /\, set the det, an then the det wire (adrenanline [sp?] pumping now) and legged it to the "safe zone" and pressed the det and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!
then goes the frantic run down to see what was left of the car, before we (the spectators http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif) legged it before the cops turned up.
Well picture's as promissed..
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/thevictim/images/pic1.GIFThe Det Cord.
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/thevictim/images/pic2.GIFBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/thevictim/images/pic3.GIFThe Aftermath.
btw, I decided to go with the fireball, and placed a 5liter bottol of petrol next to the charge.

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[Donutty]

Madness!!

Well done. Well done indeed my friend. And I though *I* lived in the middle of no-where!

1/2 kg of PE4 did that? Damn! Looks, seriously, like a bomb hit it!

[mongo blongo]

Wow!! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/eek.gif
That must have been fuckin cool!!
That car is really fucked up!!
Nice job with on the fireball!!
Damn i wish i could do something that big where i live but it's a very long way to where there s a place with no people. http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/frown.gif
Well done dude!

[Victim]

Thank ya :>, ja, it was very very very fecking loud, also very cool, (not in a kewl way).
It was all good, after seeing/hearing the bloody big bang, me and my pussy mates legged it down to see what was left of the car, shit was still raining down, and there was a little fire going on with on the seats, don't know if you can see the smoke on the seat, but ah, the joy, total madness, lol my mate got into the other seat (well what was left of it) and started all the gimicks, "Oi, someones been using my car, look it, I think it needs a car wash!" and all sorts of crap, it was a laugh, but after the pics were took and a few mins messing about we legged it as we didn't wanna get caught now, (although we were only spectators http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif). If ya get some excitment out of seeing those photo's belive me, you would have been creaming yourself when it went off! It was total madness! Total fun!

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[DoH BoY]

wow thats pretty frikin' sweet. I guess u could call me dumb but i never knew that a pound of explosive could do tht much damage! NICE JOB!

[EP]

Well done! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

[SATANIC]

look out for it in the local papers, it'll have to turn up! well done, explosive damage rating: EXTREME

[Disturbed]

Victim, how did you set up the detwire? did you wire it on door panels, etc, or just lump it next to the main charge?

[Demolition]

Did the car get airborn?
Look Mummy,a flying car.http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/tongue.gif



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Demolition

[Disturbed]

Victim,
Nevermind.. I didn't look over your one post [right b4 mega's] too closely...

[megalomania]

Oh Victim,

Certain... "discrepancies" have been brought to my attention concerning the validity of your photographs. You wouldn't happen to have anything to say about that would you?

[SafetyLast]

What do you mean mega? do you think that they aren't valid and that there are flaws in them?
What discrepancies are you talking about?

[mongo blongo]

mmmmmm... I can't see anything wrong with them except that the pic at the top is in colour and these are in black and white. I just thought that they would look better in colour. Why are they in black and white?

[SATANIC]

i must ask, what do you think is wrong?

(i was thinking, it wouldn't be hard to fake that, from pics on the net, )

now, come to think of it, all you would have to do would be to take pics and paste them over the top of the polaroid scan. look closely, an the folds etc. in the bottom of the polaroid edges all look funnily the same. also, the car in the bottom pic looks out of scale. (too thin vertically), as though someone has tried to make it fit ot the edges of the border.

not saying you faked it, but it does raise doubts. even so, your story seems to check out, and i wouldn't hold it against you.

[EventHorizon]

I'm no polaroid expert but that looks like the picture is on the back of the polaroid film as I recall the front side being a smooth writing surface. The serial #'s look the same too, but that could just be the batch number or something.

More: I looked closer and it appears that some of the pictures edges overlap the seem, there is the identical dark spot at the lower left corner and one of the pics show a small black part that would be consistent with the black background of the reverse side of a polaroid. Again, I'm no expert, but Mega might be onto something. Victim, we are anxiously awaiting your rebutle.



[This message has been edited by EventHorizon (edited August 23, 2001).]

[ALENGOSVIG1]

Originately posted by anthony in Staff Only section:

*Each polaroid has the same serial number
*He managed to take a photo mid way of an explosion with a stills camera?
*There is no mark along the ground caused by the det cord
*The guy holding the detcord is about 40 years old, I seriously doubt Victim is over 18
*The second photo is set further left than the others
*The creases in each polaroid are indentical
*The pic of a det cord looks just like teh thing you'd find on an education website
*looking at the car, the damage doesn't seem consistant with the seize or placement of the charge.
*Also it's debatable whether the car is in the same location in both pics.



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[DoH BoY]

Yeah these pictures definatly do look like they were copied and pasted.
Take a look at the pictures of the explotion(pic #2) and then look at the picture of the wreked car (pic #3). compair the back ground. one has trees and the other doesnt.
Also take a look at the sky they are a completly different colour.
I wonder, is there really such a thing as black and white polaroid film.
And, oh yeah, why would victim suddenly change his mind about adding that fire ball effect?
Also notice how victim has not responded yet.
I wonder why.

[This message has been edited by DoH BoY (edited August 23, 2001).]

[Disturbed]

One other thing.. don't polaroid pic's 'bleed' a little color over the edges, not leaving a razorsharp edge like those pic's have?
But one thing in his defense.. for the explosion pic you could prolly snap a pic of the fireball w/out too much trouble, you'd have prolly 1-2 sec to get one..
But after looking closely I'd have to agree w/ you guys, it looks faked

[EP]

Yeah, they do look a bit odd. If they are fake, do you think he should be banned?

- THAT DECISIONS NOT FOR YOU!

Your actually being talked about getting banned in the Staff Only section so watch out.

[This message has been edited by Maddoc (edited August 24, 2001).]

[Tony Montana]

HEY "SQUID LIPS"!
Give me back my extension cord!

[Demolition]

I must agree,those photos are fake.As I use a Polaroid camera I examined my pictures.This is what I found.
*All of my photos have the same serial number.
*The photo is on the front side,it is completely smooth while the serial number and POLAROID is on the back just above the the rectangle of soft stuff (not sure what it is called)
On Victim's pictures all photos are on the back with the serial number and POLAROID stamp.Also,if you look at pic # 1 you can see that the serial number and POLAROID stamp are slightly protruding on the actual picture.
What's the go???

[jin]

i remember from a few years ago some one from wales uk got hold of two sticks of pe4 from a solider and stored it in there house with the detonators in the pe4 it went off from static or something and the house was flattend like a pancake.

[Demolition]

Heres two of my polaroids.They are not from the same pack but for some reason they have the same serial number.This is the back side.The picture is on the otherside.
http://www.angelfire.com/retro/mafsexplosives/polar.gif
Sorry about the size of the pictures but my Photoshop 5 isnt working for me at the moment.

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[BoB-]

In his defense, he couldve just touched up the quality of the photos for our benefit.

If someone has a high quality photo-editing software, they could examine the photos for layers.

[EventHorizon]

"In his defense..." He should have stated that the photos had been touched up. There are a lot of intelligent people here that are very detail oriented, he should have known better. I don't think he should be banned for this, he's been caught and in the future anything he posts will be scrutinized. This also serves as a lesson to others.

[Jhonbus]

I examined the photos in close detail a couple of days ago, and pointed out to anthony most of the things that have been stated by people in this thread. Let's see what Victim has in terms of explanations before we all start off on a big witch hunt.

[Victim]

Sorry I haven't posted in a while, I've only just got back online, my shitty ISP wouldent let me log onto my account untill I rang them this morning and gave them a mouthfull.
On another note. I am offended at whomever is doubting the validness of these photo's, I'm no photo expert, and certainly not with Polaroid's, but I would take a guess that the photo's from the same film cartridge (the thing you put into the camera) has a serial number, and therefore the photo/s have the same serial number, I've no idea, but I belive me, *one* was there, and *one* was taking the pictures.
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SATANIC, No mention on/in the papers/news yet.
Disturbed, the det wire was set to the charge with the det cap, and the det cap placed in the charge, the det wire was set off electronically.
Demolition, as predicted, my new fuel does make cars fly http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif
megalomania, If you don't belive me, fine everyones entitled to an objection no?
IF someone would PLEASE get out there expensive editing software, and prove me wrong then I will bow down to you all, as I know for a fact how valid these photo's are. And if anyone would like me to place my cookies on a site or somewhere, so you know the site's I've been visiting, so you can then see for yourself that these pictures are not "thrid party" photo's.
ALENGOSVIG1, I've stated my waffle on the serial's, I honestly have no idea about that. Zaibatsu is our I belive, resident camera/photo expert.
Soon as the det we pressed the photo shutter was pressed, ask the other people who take films, it isn't that hard to get a still from a moving object.
"the guy holding the det cord is about 40 years old, I seriously doubt Victim is over 18", FYI, I am 37, and I would like to know how you made your snap judgement.
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I have nothing else to add, only that, as a whole, I feel dampend by some of you, like I said before, if you don't belive me then thats fine you know, as were all like to be the critic once in a while, I have nothing more to add, so therefore, I shall leave the debating to you.


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[DoH BoY]

LOL
u coward! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Mr Cool]

I was going to see if I could buy/swap for some pentaerythrite or something 10 grams of the PE4 from him, but he detonated it before I got a chance to e-mail him with my proposition. If only I'd acted sooner, I could've settled this argument.
I'm not sure if I believe the photos or not. I am suspicious about the identical creases, markings etc, and the different looking backgrounds on the explosion shot and the wreckage. Also, it seems to me that the picture of his hands is odd. For both hands to fit in and be in focus, the camera would've had to have been quite far away. But if it was far enough away, I think it would've got in more background than that... Also the skies look very different, and the photos are conveniently b&w, which makes it harder to spot differences in vegetation etc.

[This message has been edited by Mr Cool (edited August 24, 2001).]

[Victim]

Mr Cool, I wish I would have gotten a email from you sooner as well, as you would have been able to settle this. Ah well I suppose, think whatever you like, not that you don't, well all have the right to be a critic.

[DoH BoY]

Come on Victim we all know this whole thing is obviously a fake. Why cant u just admit it?
And why are u trying to make us feel bad about uncovering the truth about ur cheap hoax?
well its no wonder u feel "dampened" by some of us, u tried to fool us and u failed.

[Anthony]

Victim, if you scanned these in, how did you manage to get the actual photos perfectly straight? (1 pixel all the way down) The edge of the polaroid isn't straight.

Showing us your cookies proves nothing, it's hardly difficult to delete any naughty ones.

You're 37? Your thread with the masterlock (http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000936.html) shows your, obviously teenage hand. You also state that your father is a builder, if you were 37 your father would be retired.

Tell you what, scan your arm with the tatoo as seen in the det cord photo.

[Donutty]

37? I though you were 20. On your MSN profile it says you are!

http://profiles.msn.com/zilv3r_viruz@hotmail.com?lc=1033&mid=2260

[BrAiNFeVeR]

I agree, something sure smell fishy here (and it isn't me !!)
Where in England can U find such an open field, I always thought of England as a place that was nearly full of buildings ???
Victim, can you give us an address of the place ?? (street names, cities in the vicinity, ...)
Victim, if you don't admit you're a fraud, you 're just going to loose the little bit of credibility you still have ...

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[This message has been edited by BrAiNFeVeR (edited August 24, 2001).]

[Tony Montana]

For what its worth you still have not explained how your magic polaroid camera, prints the picture on the wrong side of the film,(Probly your worst mistake)??
How pictures obviously overlap, and dont generally fit the polaroid frame???
How the exact same crease is on every polaroid, which makes it obvious that it is the same one polaroid film???
How your insulting our intelligence by denying the obvious??? (do we appear this gullible to you??) What a wicked path we lead......

[EP]

Maddoc - I apologize. Why are you talking about banning me? If you tell me why I will stop at once.

- Just messing with ya!

[This message has been edited by Maddoc (edited August 25, 2001).]

[mongo blongo]

lol nice one Anthony that's a good one scan victim's arm in! He can not say no to that one because he obviously must have a scanner!
Those Polaroid "backgrounds" are exactly the same, identical. I can't believe i didn't see that before! I have no dought in my mind that these are fake!
We await the pic of your tattooed arm Victim!
Busted http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/biggrin.gif

[shooter3]

I don't want to get in on the details, I'm not an expert. I'm not accusing victim either, but I want to point out that law enforcement types try to gain the confidence of their targets. Like the stings they set up for internet child molesters(more power to them)they may possibly be trying to sting the forum. Total conjecture on my part, but a possibility. Sorry for any typos, my popnot won't let me use spellcheck.

[CyclonitePyro]

I just scanned some photos to put on ebay, and my program microsof photosuiteIII automaticly perfectly centers the photos for you.
I don't know a bout the rest of the stuff though, wow this is real detectives case.

[-A-]

Well, I must say that given the discrepancies before mentioned, and the one that I saw immediately (which is that every photo is the same, given the creases, the small spot on the low left, etc.) I must say that this is obviously a fake. Other things that I noticed:
-Look at the first picture. Look the cord. It has jagged edges, why?
-Compare the resolution of photos 1 and 3 with the one in the middle, the one of the explosion. It has better sharpness and resolution.
-I can't see fire damage on the car surface. Nothing on the paint.
-I don't know what speed has the shutter of a polaroid, but the explosion picture has almost perfect focus, too difficult in something that is moving as fast as an explosion, it should probably have some motion blur.
-He buys military equipment to a friend in a bar, posts that he is going to detonate a car and two days later he is posting photos of the explosion and the car?. If it is that easy, then the ETA wouldn't have problems to detonate all the island.

[DarkAngel]

Victim this is your site right?
http://speculation.topcities.com
(from the suggestion box forum)

You can see movies of you playing with Sodium Chlorate and making fires in the woods,common your not 37 man.

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sendtosection1@hotmail.com

[Mr Cool]

Brainfever: we do have plenty of open fields here in England.

Victim: you're not 37. I just looked at your site.

[Anthony]

*everyone* should go see Victim's wonderful site! The disclaimer even states that you must ask victim's permission before trying anything shown on the site! Oh Victim, pleeeease may I have your permission to pointlessly smash up the trolley bay at Safeway?

The disclaimer also details how kewl bomberz are not welcome - oh the irony!

Thankyou for bringing yourself to our attention with this dumb fake pictures crap, you were almost one kewl bomer lamer that went unnoticed!

Some stuff from his site (may take a while to load as Victim thinks 400Kb pictures are kewl):

http://speculation.topcities.com/pic6.jpg
"Howdy partner, can I sell you some fake PE4???"

http://speculation.topcities.com/letsfly.jpg
"What you can't see is the invisible pole up my arse"

http://speculation.topcities.com/bordemass.jpg
"Hey Dean(Victim), I've had a better idea for that stick of PE4!!!"

[DoH BoY]

LOL


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PE4 up the ass (arse)
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[This message has been edited by DoH BoY (edited August 25, 2001).]

[kingspaz]

well i haven't added my opinion yet so here it is - FAKE!!! in addition to other points raised look at the damage to the car on the bottom right of picture 3. fucking bullshit!

[megalomania]

Did anybody happen to catch the special about bomb investigations on TLC this past Thursday? During a bit about the FBI's bomb training school they strapped 3 sticks of high explosive in each of two different cars. The blast hardly destroyed the vehicles at all. It did tear them up and send debris flying, but neither moved, neither burst into flames, and both looked very much intact (considering they got bombed).

If only 500g of PE-4 was used (as stated in your first post as to how much you bought), why such a vast amount of damage to your car? It would take several Kg of high explosive to do that much damage.

All questions of tampering aside, there may be some good excuses as to why these photographs were doctored. They obviously have been, that is a matter of fact. The question now is why, and to what end?
Were they digital snapshots you framed on polaroid film to add effect? That would explain the film being the same in each pic. A simple answer.
Were these photo's taken days apart? That would explain the different skyline. Although the background terrain is still different, perhaps it's just a different angle. Another simple answer.
The fact that you have not provided any simple explanations as to why these pics have been doctored is a cause in itself to suspect malfeasance on your part.
I'll not ban you for it, you have not violated any rule here, you have even adhered to our "theoretical" theme with your fiction. You will however have lost the respect of every member, and will be watched very carefully for any future violation.

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[Tony Montana]

Fair enough Mega, the whole thing doesnt really even bother me. But a few thing have caught my attention,

Mega sayas "Were they digital snapshots you framed on polaroid film to add effect?"

Victim said before he even posted the pictures "I've just brought some film for my camera (polroid camera) and I thought they were cheaper than the ones I normally get, and now I know why, there fucking black and white, im extreamy pissed off at that".

Mega says" Were these photo's taken days apart?"

Victims accounts of the incident, written above and beside the pictures clearly states him saying it happened quickly, victims quote "We legged it before the cops turned up".

And the fact that he made a point of saying this quote "I've bullied my friends into doing it tomorrow". Made me think twice about this REAL LIFE VICTIM! PS: there are many other things that I could add but cant be fucked.

[10fingers]

That photo of the stick of P.E. 4 looks similar in size to a stick of dynamite, which is 1 in.x 8 in. A stick of dynamite only weighs 1/2 pound or 227 grams. Unless this P.E. 4 is very dense I doubt whether the stick shown can weigh 500 grams as stated by Victim.
Even accepting the claim that it is 1/2 kilo it seems like a large explosion and a lot of damage to the vehicle for this amount of explosive. I would guess that it was more like 3 or 4 lbs.

[This message has been edited by 10fingers (edited August 26, 2001).]

[DarkAngel]

Is it just me or did Victim removed his site after my post?

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[BrAiNFeVeR]

It definitely isn't just you, it's me too !!
Victim (a very appropriate nickname these days) probably went apeshit about revealing more information about himself, so he closed down his site. I think it will eventually pop up somewhere else, with a different layout or something...

Victim, we're all still waiting for your humble confession !


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[DoH BoY]

Well I just visited the site and it's back now and like brainfever said, in a different layout.

[Anthony]

Nope, it's still 404

[megalomania]

It's just as well, I don't like to look at naked man ass.

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[Disturbed]

Naked man's ass?
Glad I didn't go to that one too!
lol

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[a_bab]

Hey, this guy seems not to be vanished at all. He posted a reply yesterday at weapons section (shell topic). We are all waiting a reply from him HERE. Where are you, Victim ?!

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[Victim]

Still here, alive and well, I've added as much as I am going to on this subject, but FYI, here's some chat logs from MSN.
<a href="http://compliment.topcities.com/DarkAngel.pdf">Dark Angle's Chat</a>
<a href="http://compliment.topcities.com/JacobDahlstrup.pdf">Jacob Dahlstrup's chat log (Forum name unknown to me)</a>

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[Anthony]

Right, so you're now a 23year old Cop.

Even though you told Darkangel that you were an apprentice plumber.

Also, kinda strange that a cop has 17 year old friends and uses his leisure time to smash up the local Supermarket.

Your reason for suddenly deleting your websites is obviously bullshit.

[the freshmaker]

I don't see why this idiot haven't been deleted yet. It was me and Darkangel who chatted with him over msn (my msn-name is Jacob) First I chatted alone with him, and asked him questions about the FAKE PE4 explosion. All he said was a lie, then he tried to scare me with shit like "Im a cop!" and so on. Then Darkangel also chatted with him while I was on the other line with Darkangel. And he went on and on with his stupid lies. Then we asked him about his age, and finally we made him confess that he wasn't 37, but 23 years old (maybe thats a lie too). I Know Darkagel also have alot funny informations about this dumparse!!

[Victim]

Did I ever say I was in the police force? I simply stated that it was possible that I might as stated by shooter3 I belive.

[DarkAngel]

You already putted our msn talk on the internet(but it's offline again i see) i also wanted to do that,but why did you did it now you give everybody evidence against you?

Anthony says that your not 37 as your hands on the pictures look like teenage hands and on a magical way those pictures disappear,,?

Than i posted a message about your site where you are playing with SC/Suger and making fires and also that site is gone,,?

And the explenation whas that you don't have time to upload them because you are to bussy with working,,but those guys on the pictures
where looking like teenagers not apprentice plumbers that are 37 years old hmmm.

Ah stupid of me! you already told me that on YOUR site you have pictures of ppl but you are not one of the ppl that whe see,,hmm ah now i see
Mr apprentice PlumberCop(i guess it's new) that's 37 years old whas holding the camera when he's teenage friends where making fires in the woods and the same story for the store vandalism,but still than if it whas your site without pictures of you why do you write this text next to a movie:"Here you can hear MY mom screaming DEAN!! after I maked a bang with SC/Suger"?
And guess what whe can see your teenage arm lighting the SC/Suger.

You are just so full of shit,i hope you understand that the "I don't care what you tell to the other forum members..." whas only a trick to get you talking.

And about the law enforcement and other things,for a guy that say's he's innocent your giving yourself a hard time to let ppl believing that.

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sendtosection1@hotmail.com

[This message has been edited by DarkAngel (edited August 29, 2001).]

[Anthony]

Law Enforcement = Cop

So you're 23, in full time employment, have enough money to afford a nice car (probably your parents') yet you live at home with your parents (who shout "DEEEEEEEEAN!" whenever you do anything naughty).

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[PYRO500]

look closely at the picture of the person holding the detcord in his hand, above the numbers on the bottom are the same numbers suspicisiously placed above the previous set, as if they were reflected except they arent upside down or backwards, there's more to tthe theroy that the photo's arent yours, they may be real pictures but I am 100% certain they have been doctored by an ameture.

[Tony Montana]

The fact that you tried to fool a group of obviously computer literate people, with pictures that had such blatant mistakes. Means you are definately not a police officer, if a cop comes to the forum you can be sure he/she will be much more sophisticated and professional, not to mention very hard to detect. I think Dean is 37, the fact that he lives with his parents and they still control his life, explains his intellectual defeciency.

[DarkAngel]

Pyro500:and again also those pictures are gone

[PYRO500]

Well, I saved the files to disk knowing they would soon dissipear http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

I encircled the double text I was talking about
http://www.geocities.com/pyro2000us/oops.jpg

I also have all four images on my Hdd, the one that is the worst that I cut the above pic out of is HERE:
http://www.geocities.com/pyro2000us/pic1.gif

(Note: you'll have to cut and paste the links into your browser (damn geocities)

[megalomania]

Just because someone is a cop does not make them smart, or guarantee they have resources. What smart person would take a high risk, high stress job with low pay? Crime doesn’t pay, and neither does stopping it.

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[PYRO500]

Also look at the lines I drew in the enlarged picture, right below the picture is a light grey bar folloed by a white bar that the numbers are printed on then at the bottom of the numbers how they get cut off right at the grey line then they start back at the top going down, that simply dosen't happen unless it's a printig defect witch I doubt

[DarkAngel]

Here is the pic i whas talking about
http://entersection1.virtualave.net/pictures2/victim_dean.jpg

Compare

http://entersection1.virtualave.net/pictures2/toothpick.jpg

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For explosives and stuff go to Section1 http://www.section1.f2s.com And http://run.to/section1 (http://www.run.to/section1)
sendtosection1@hotmail.com

[This message has been edited by DarkAngel (edited August 31, 2001).]

[Mr Cool]

Oh my god, how could he have done this all SO badly...

[CodeMason]

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but does anyone still have a picture of the demolished car? I think it's from here, http://edetonator.hyperlink.cz/DAP.htm (I thought I had seen it somewhere before). I was browsing the page and it just hit me...

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[Mick]

did anyone notice how the wrist watches are the same?

and no, i'm not making any judgement on whether he's right or wrong because i haven't seen the complete set of pictures

does anyone have them?
if they do, contact me(satanic_lord@hotmail.com), and i'll upload them and display them - and i wouldn't mind having a look to see if there fake or not(majoring in digital media makes it pretty easy to spot a fake)



[This message has been edited by Mick (edited October 19, 2001).]

[EP]

CodeMason - I thought his pics might have been from those also (I have had them saved on my HD for probably two years now). When he posted them and the whole fake or not thing came up I checked those pics. They are different because the picture angles and damage are different.

[CodeMason]

I can produce an image that I think is very close to what I remember those ones to be. All I have to do is greyscale -> mirror (flip horizontally) -> resize in Paint Shop Pro.

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[mongo blongo]

No I don't think these were the pics. But even if they were derived from these pics, it would take a bit if skilled work which obviously wasn't his best area of expertise! http://theforum.virtualave.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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