Cellular RADAR and people tracking

[nbk2000]

<a href="http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,811027,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,811027,00.html</a>

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The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by mobile phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile objects, such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. Previously, radar needed massive fixed equipment to work and transmissions from mobile phone masts were thought too weak to be useful.

The system works wherever a mobile phone can pick up a signal. By using receivers attached to mobile phone masts, users of the new technology could focus in on areas hundreds of miles away and bring up a display showing any moving vehicles and people.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">So, now not only do they watch you with cameras, but also with cellular phone waves? What's next, the rectalcam and RF eartag? :D

Looks like if you want to be able to move around in london without being watched or radar'd, you're going to have to move underground like a fuckin' mole!

[Anthony]

Bunch of damn commies! :mad:

"Individual armoured vehicles or even soldiers could carry the detectors which could tell them where enemy troops were."

Enemy troops? WTF? This country hasn't been invaded for almost 1000 years!

[nbk2000]

I thought you knew? The enemy has already invaded and insidiously insinuated themselves into the fabric of society. The enemies name is "free thinkers"! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Yes, we must root out all free thinkers before they can spread their crazy ideas like personal freedom and privacy any further.

[NoltaiR]

Maybe some of you Brits could correct and/or confirm this, but I heard that the most powerful or human tracking devices has already began to be implemented into babies in the UK.. sounds like the end times to me... One of these days the world will be devided into two parts: the all-powerful, decision making world government; and those who have enough money and individual power to rebel. Those who rebel will be looked at as terrorists by those who have been brainwashed by the government... I should guess that there would either be a war or one will be just be quickly eliminated; the one that wins will rule the world as supreme....

[Fl4PP4W0k]

If I knew I had some 'tracker' thing inside ME... id gouge the gizmo out with a fuckin rusty spoon!

In the future, Im sure there would be incentive to keep it though... like a permanent 'credit card' of sorts. You swipe your wrist to buy something etc...
Though that could be done easily with biometrics.
Medical records (allergy), passport system, resume's etc... could all be stored on that little evil tracker chip - without one you would cease to function in the 'new world'.
That in tandem with biometrics would give big brother quite a stranglehold :mad:

[Arkangel]

Well the concept of a radar makes a great deal of sense, and if only it were intended for national defence or something similarly laudable. But this is too big brothereque to be anything other than sinister.

Regarding tracking of children in the UK, there were a couple of recent high profile cases where babies were removed, past all the hospital security, by barren nutters who wanted a kid "of their own". It took ages to find them, and a few rich people took the option of implants to help find the kids if they were stolen. It certainly wasn't a common or enforced thing.

Of course that's just an example of media hysteria making the sheeple do something pointless and stupid simply because they wanted a good story.

[firebreether]

If all this falls into plan, I guess, there will have to be an RTPB, make your house into a giant faraday cage. I guess it wouldn't do much good since im sure they dont care where you are in your house anyway, and once you step out, you're being watched. This is pretty sick if you think about it, they could keep track of anyone anywhere. The civil liberty groups have a damn good reasonto be pissed off.

[Arkangel]

They do indeed, since virtually every "innovation" that can be used in the "war against (insert your own pet hate here)", is a millimetre from snooping on you and me going about our lawful business.

But there is of course, a flip side. People who have night vision equipment have a tendency to rely on it - goggles are good, but if the kit gets busted, then probably so will you, so a soldier is better off just using a monocular and saving his night sight in the other eye.

Similarly, if the authorities start using this to fight crime, or whatever they perceive as a crime, then sharper people will be aware of that. How hard is it going to be, in your preparations for whatever you are trying to do, to have pager equipped charges under all the cellular transmitters in your area. The irony is beautiful, destroying their vision using the system they were looking at you with.

Anyway, what I was saying is that if they use this, they will grow to rely on it, and mobile masts are PISS easy to disable. :D

[nbk2000]

That is, of course, if you can find them. They now come in the disguise of trees, phone poles, gargoyles, and other innocuous looking items to blend in with the surroundings.

Not to hide Big Brothers new eyes, but because too many people were bitching about "eyesore" cellular towers in their neighborhoods.

Now, the real question is what kind of resolution do these things have? Can they pick out a single person in a crowd? Doubtful (for now), but I'm certain they could follow a person driving on a freeway or such.

[Arkangel]

There's no doubt, it's a sensible use of the blizzard of rf energy buzzing around and through us at present. And as you say, once they develop the idea, it's only a matter of time before they develop the resolution they need.

Likewise, finding the masts (and the same thing is happening here) should be reasonably easy with a portable meter of some kind, like you'd use for direction findert navigation.

[Harry]

The Chinese had this years ago. They developed it as an anti-Stealth tracking system, using ambient broadcast RF radiation (y'know, your AM and FM broadcast stations) as RF source to detect air turbulence caused by anything larger than a duck. Of course, a B-2 bomber or F/A-117 will produce plenty of turbulence to indicate size, speed, and vectors. Not the same resolution level, but same idea.

Harry

[Anthony]

According to the article, they currently only have a range of 50-100m - so just a pathetic waste of tax payer money at the moment. If they can develop it to a range of 10 miles then we should start worrying... But that's a *big* refinement.

You could probably get a list of all transmitters by posing as a prospective home owner and demanding that you be allowed to chose a house away from the "cancer causing" things.

People don't see the problem with it though, "I've got nothing to hide" they say!

[NoltaiR]

Next thing they will be doing is equipping cell phones with small explosive devices before being sold so that in the event that one of the rebels to the one world government is found using his phone.. all they have to do is hit the switch and then the guy is taken care of.. no questions asked..

[Fl4PP4W0k]

Hmm... t'would be rather fun to hack _that_ system :D

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/me enters in number of disliked individual

*rring... rring*

*beep!*

"Uhh.. hello? hello?"

*SPLAT!* (5g RDX charge detonates next to ear)

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Although, I think there are (atleast currently...) laws against including high explosives in consumer goods :mad:
Well... except for those airbag detonator thingos.

Though, cell phones are insanely easy to trace, if u gotts the $$$ :p
I would guess cell phones in the future would be bundled with super cheap GPS systems... exact lat\long of the user would be sent to base. Allong with biometric details, which are constantly monitored for'wanted' individuals.

Ack. Sleeeeeep tiiiime.

[xoo1246]

<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/antiterror_technology021216.html" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/antiterror_technology021216.html</a>

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9601/israel_terror/funeral/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9601/israel_terror/funeral/</a>

"His cellular phone had stopped working, and he was given another one by the uncle of a friend. It blew up while he was talking on it, taking most of his head with it. The uncle disappeared."

<small>[ December 17, 2002, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: xoo1246 ]</small>

[vir sapit qui pauca loquitur]

me smells a mossad rat :D

I'd love to get a nice sized charge (20+gm rdx) in a dummy phone (as seen in mobile phone shops like car-phone warhouse) and walk through peckham/brixton (at night) and play the innocent tourist :D

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> pleeeze missa black mugger, take my phone....!!

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">mugger makes a dash for it.....

*hits r/c button* </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> 'ARRRRRrrrggggghhhh....' </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">(as it blows his hand off)

then its 'bite the curb' time. :p

[Arkangel]

Vir, I'm assuming you're white?

In the UK, you're far more likely to have your phone stolen by some little white ratboy than you are a black person. Bearing in mind the small proportion of the population is made up of ethnic minorities, it's interesting that you make a statement like that. I know Brixton and many parts of South London have a higher proportion than the rest of the country, but they are STILL in the minority there. I also know that the black population has a higher crime rate than most whities, but that's predominantly black on black crime, rather than "victimising" white people. You have JUST as much street crime in Toxteth, Moss Side, Chapeltown, Clifton and all the big estates in the country as you do in those "black" areas you mention, but somehow people don't care about a mugger's colour unless they ARE black.

Revenge can and should be sweet, but it would be better to chat about it without infecting the thread with racist poison like that. :mad:

<small>[ December 17, 2002, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: Arkangel ]</small>

[Anthony]

Let's keep this on topic topic shall we?

No Israel/palestine, no racism discussions. We all have our opinions on these matters and we're naturally not going to agree. Nor are these opinions relevant to the subject of this topic.

[nbk2000]

Well, it's a known trick to place a charge in a cellphone to take out a target. This is usually done by an intelligence service against a terrorist/rebel. The israelis, russians, and others have done it.

As for minorities...I'm not going to comment. Suffice it to say that ANYONE (regardless of race) who fucks with someone who knows about explosives, and who is willing to use them, is a person who may be shy a few digits after stealing from said individual. :D

[Anarchist]

it's truly sad how far 'the government'(refering to most major governments) has gone with monitoring it's own citizens. If any of you haven't ever heard of project Echelon, or don't believe it's real. It's a collaboration between the US England and some other countries to basically monitor ALL internet activity, phone conversations, etc.. I have a friend who has actually monitored a few of the networks that do the monitoring, and watched the stuff that came in, and they monitor everything from UBB posts like this to google searches.