5kg APCAN???

[spydamonkee]

now i know there arre going to be alot of people saying and more so believing that APAN is just too damn dangerous to use in large quantities, also their is all that bullshit talk of how AP would detonate under the weight of a large charge...

well the other day i witnessed the detonation of 5kg APCAN & it was fucking impressive leaving a 3m+ crater over 1m deep also dislodging and fucking up a few flax bushes :D

Details of the Charge:
4.5kg Powdered Calcium Amonnium Nitrate Fertiliser(about 60% AN 40% Limestone) this was mixed in a rubbish bag with 500g AP.
Detonater was about 2 grams of AP inside a 308 shell with blu-tack holding the electrical ignitor in (no crimping needed), Det was simply taped to the outside of the rubbish bag, all this was buried about 2 1/2 feet down.

Not too sure what the density of the mix woulda been but we compressed it as much as the rubbish bag could handle then packed a dirt & clay steeming on top.

I was also witness to 340g APAN shooting a gyser of water aboiut 20m into the air!.. was very pretty :)
We captured both events on film which ill upload once i get my capture card to work with XP :mad:

If any mods thing this is not worthy of a new thread just delete it & ill chuck it into the APAN thread.

[Eliteforum]

Sounds good! My capture card doesn't work with XP either! XP sucks!

[NERV]

WOW! that sound fucking amazing. I cant wait till you get you capture card to work.

[NoltaiR]

Just out of curiosity, do you think this 'APCAN' is more or less powerful than our 'common' APAN? I would assume the the APAN would be more powerful but your stuff is probably cheaper and easier to find.

edit: also now that I think about it, most all of your tests that you have posted about have virtually always included AN... So where do you get so much of it (meaning who is your 'personal' supplier)?

<small>[ September 29, 2002, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: NoltaiR ]</small>

[spydamonkee]

well since my Fertiliser is only has 60% AN in it and the rest is limestone it would be about 40% less powerfull than a straight APAN charge weight vs weight
as the 5kg charge would have only have 2.7kg AN,1.8kg Limestone & 500g AP so that basically comes down to only 3.2kg's of explosive ingrediants the rest just as good as dirt :rolleyes:

as for my supplier they are just a common Agriculture and Farm Suppliy Chain who sold me a 50kg <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> bag of CAN (30kg AN 20kg Limestone) only cost me 30$NZ (about 12 USD i think)
so far i have only found one place where i can get pure AN so once i have used the last 35kgs or so of my CAN i might purchase some real stuff so i can make ANFO... BIG ANFO CHARGES :D <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<small>[ September 29, 2002, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: spydamonkee ]</small>

[NoltaiR]

Well the reason I asked (and this was before I realized you weren't from the states) was because although I used to get 50kg bags of FGAN from a small gardening supplier called earthworks, they have for some reason (this started about a year ago) decided to quit selling it to people unless they were about 40-50 years old and came in wearing a cap advertising some kind of cattle feed--or so it seemed. Anyways since then I have been reduced to instant kold packs from Wal-Mart which costs too much to do 'my' size of tests (I am one of those fanatics thinks that if I am going to spend time doing something, I want it to be really spectacular).

[spydamonkee]

well i have tried everything to get my capture card working properly with XP but to no avail... it worked perfect on 98SE
so i'll download the service pack for XP and if that dont work then you guys will have to settle with watching it without sound as i cant get it to capture the bloody sound :mad: :o :mad:

unless i poo poo XP and install 98SE... hmmmmm will have to think aobut that one

[xyz]

I know that there is a patch for XP which fixes graphics related problems, I use Windows ME but one of my friends has XP. He had to download the graphics patch to get GTA 3 to work on his computer.
It should be available from the microsoft website.

[Anthony]

XP blows :D

If all else fails, can you not record the audio seperately, even in something like sound recorder, then encode the mute video and seperate audio stream to create a complete stream?

[Eliteforum]

Format, install Windows 98SE, then install XP as a dual boot or something. Or just Format install Win98SE, overwrite that with Windows 2000 Pro, then install XP with dual boot from XP to Win2kPro.

Problem solved. A lot of work for a bang though!

[ShockWave]

Today I bought a pinnacle PCTV, also to get my videos to mpeg. well, it doesn't work also, when I start the program it crashes immidiatlly. I dunno why, tommorow I'll buy another one, because I can't wait to here your reaction of my 3.5kg kinepack movie. :)

[spydamonkee]

Finiky Pinnicle Poo
my ones a Pinnicle PCTV System it aint a card though it a Rhombus? shaped box that AV and shit plugs into... i just call it a card though , much easier

i should have the vid uploaded tomorrow... oh and shockwave i cant wait to see your clip that would have been intense!

[spydamonkee]

ok to ease some of your guys curosity(sp?) i have uploaded a few frames the <a href="http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=65472" target="_blank">frames</a> of our 340g APAN under half a meter of water
to get an idea of scale the pond is about 12 meters long by 8 meters wide

<small>[ October 01, 2002, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: spydamonkee ]</small>

[Rat Bastard]

Looks nice!

BTW, I can host some images & movies if you want me to, I got a server ( <a href="http://www.krimzonpyro.com" target="_blank">www.krimzonpyro.com</a> )that allows direct linking, 500MB, and unmetered bandwith.

email me if you are interested: raydawg@shaw.ca

[ShockWave]

Well, the pinnacle TVPC does not work because i have have an AMD proccesor !? well, I ordered a new one, and i'll hope my videos are online this week, there are some nice video's from the last summer of 500gr. kinepack, and ofcourse the 3,5kg kinepack. well, when i'm done i'll post it here

[shooter3]

spydy, That car explosion is 3kg's anfo + alum.?

[spydamonkee]

shockwave i dont think that the AMD processor is the prob as my last computer worked fine with pinnicle it was a duron 650

shooter... yea i got the picutres of one of the members sites here and translated the page... it also had benzene in the mix i believe and used 50grams of petn as booster

Still no luck with the video guys... ill upload some frames of the big one if i am unable to capture with sound as i dnt wanna format jst yet :/

[Arkangel]

Interesting that on the 66g test above a seacliff, the picture is really distorted at the moment of detonation - how close was the camera, and was there much of a shockwave?

[spydamonkee]

camera was far too close for that test, it was only like a few meters away... that test was one of my first tests using APAN so i was rather pleased with the results :D
i thort it might have been a flash of light from the explosion that made the camera go stuffed up in one of the frames but because it was so close it could have been the pressure

like my blasting location :p ... camera setup was mean for that shot apart from being too close to the charge

[ShockWave]

Yesterday I did one more APAN so I can clear my kitchen, My friend was filming the horizon and I was about 4km's away from him, I was on the the phone with him and I said I lighted the fuse so he filmed it, very very cool to here your bomb again, what I noticed, there was no flashlight at the horizon.

Have you guys ever seen a flashlight or fireball from your APAN ANNM/AL or ANFO ?

I saw a long time ago on the discoverychannel that they tested the terrorist truckbomb with 40bags of AN with dieselfuel, well it gave an extreme big fireball, and they tested a 13kg ANFOS too, to see what the speed of ANFOS was, well there was an big big fireball also ? I taped it all.

And I readed on this forum somewhere that, I believe Mr. Evil said that, if there would be enough oxygen that there will be a fireball.

[NERV]

Nice pics spydamonkee.

ShockWave most high explosives wont make a flash or fire ball. The only time they do is usally when you add Al, Mg, Ect powder to the mix, And that usally only makes a flash. To get a fire ball you need to make an FAE.

[ShockWave]

Hmm I don't think so, I'm sure that without FAE it is possible to get a big fireball, maybe when you make bigger chargers, like 10-20kg anfos ?

[a_bab]

You'll get a fire ball, but it'll last (usually) under one second. The movie shity effects are made with gasoline.

[ShockWave]

yeah I know that they use gasoline or other stuff to give a explosion a better effect, but what I meant is only straight ANFOS.

question? on the discoverychannel I see almost every evening some documantary's about the second world war, and sometimes you see them dropping bomb of an airplain, it gives a huge fireball also, what can that be ?

[vulture]

The americans used shitloads of incendiary bombs on german cities. For example, the massive bombardment of Dresden with incendiary bombs caused a huge firestorm which nearly obliterated the city and took, IIRC, 45000 lives.

<small>[ October 03, 2002, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: vulture ]</small>