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80r15

March 13th, 2003, 07:44 PM

I have the 5 step DHMP synthesis for sarin, but I am wondering if anyone has performed the synthesis and what kind of percent yields they got. Also if anyone knows any other methods of synthesizing sarin with higher percent yields, feel free to post the synthesis steps.

megalomania

March 14th, 2003, 01:38 AM

Is that one of the earlier routes? I have a reference that speaks ill of other methods, calling them tedious or impure, specifically the ones from the 1950’s. The one I have makes use of di-isopropyl methylphosphonate reacted with carbony chloride giving isopropyl methylphosphonochloridate. This latter chemical is reacted with sodium fluoride in methylene chloride to give Sarin.

A second process is to is to reflux a mix of methylphosphonic dichloride and methylphosphonic difluoride (made from methylphosphonic dichloride) with isopropyl alcohol.

I have also acquired some references for making di-isopropyl methylphosphonate and methylphosphonic dichloride.

Energy84

March 14th, 2003, 02:19 AM

Sorry Mega, I think you lost him after the word "reference". Just take a look at some of his other posts... :rolleyes:
<a href="http://www.roguesci.org/cgi-bin/ewforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000306" target="_blank">http://www.roguesci.org/cgi-bin/ewforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000306</a>

I'd say 80r15 is lucky to still be around, even without NBK here at the moment...

megalomania

March 15th, 2003, 12:36 AM

Thank you energy for that link, I have not laughed this much in a while. Uaually only nbk can get me cackling with wanton glee :D

I would hope, 80r15, that you are not going to actually try and make a checmial weapon, the chemistry may be easy but the synthesis is VERY dangerous even if you have a real laboratory. Nothing less than a negative pressure glove box should be used with these things.

80r15

March 15th, 2003, 02:03 PM

Negative pressure glove box you say??? hmmm... lol. No I don't want to make it, but was curious about the first method they used to create it. The process was actually the DMHP process nad yes it was an early process. I know the synthesis is dangerous, but I could prob pull it off w/ a NBC chemical suit :)

zeocrash

March 15th, 2003, 03:34 PM

where is NBK anyway, i'm begining to miss his prescence around here

March 15th, 2003, 07:49 PM

80r15, you seem to have a lot of confidence in your chemistry knowledge, and lab skills, and have stated previously that you 'know organic chemistry'. That is, in my opinion an extremely arrogant comment to make. Very few people in the world can truly claim to know organic chemistry, I doubt that you are one of them.

Well my question is, exactly what experience do you have? After all if it turns out that you have a PhD in chemistry, I am sure that you will receive a lot more patience from other members. However turning up here and starting boasting about how easy and safe it is to make nerve agents etc, with no proof or discussion on the matter is fairly arrogant, and is bound to get you flamed. Surely you see that?

[ March 15, 2003, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: VX ]

photonic

March 15th, 2003, 09:15 PM

Not that my opinion is of any real significance here, but I must say I would take great pleasure in watching NBK exterminate this fellow in typical fashion. Even though we're trying some huggy-feely thing, having people like him distracts from intelligent discussion. If you'll take notice, nothing fruitful has come of any thread 80r15 has been involved in. I also think that we should encourage him to synthesize these nerve agents. It's a win-win situation. If he succeeds, he can contribute the knowledge to the forum. If he doesn't, problem solved. :cool:

80r15

March 15th, 2003, 11:28 PM

too late dumb ass. been there synthesized that... you guys act like synthesizing sarin or mustard gas is rocket science. and no i dont have a PhD in organic chem yet, but there are some things i know. one of them being that *anyone* with a brain and a $98.50 NBC suit can EASILY make sarin from info on the web. Now to understand what your doing is different... So you said if I do synthesize them I can contribute to the forum....So, what do you want to know???(next proj: VX)

megalomania

March 15th, 2003, 11:54 PM

Well there are two questions I would like to ask. #1 Where can one get a NBC suit for under $100? I have only seen them for way more than that. #2 Could you provide a link to one site (except here) on the net that has a synthesis for any chemical weapon because I have yet to find one out there. Every time I look I can't find a damn thing; good thing for libraries...

Energy84

March 16th, 2003, 01:08 AM

Well then, if your word is considered 'proof' that you've done it before, then I guess it would be safe to admit that I had once built an M1 Abrams tank from plans that I found on the internet. Of course, it's NEVER BEEN TESTED, but I have done it. Really. I keep it under my bed so that nobody will find it. And it was pretty easy to build too. Just had to save up all my soup cans! :rolleyes:

photonic

March 16th, 2003, 02:36 AM

Well, I don't mean to burst anybody's bubble, but that's not really any great accomplishment. I'm not usually one to brag, but I just don't think you guys should be so proud. Synthesizing sarin, vx, and an M1 Abrams are all well and good. However, they don't compare to my George Washington Carver style F-22 Raptor. I h4x0r3d the plans from Lockheed-Martin and then added my own special twist. Unlike 80r15 though, I have pictures. The lighting is bad and so are the pictures, but I assure that any resemblace the picture may have to a toy F-14 covered in creamy Peter Pan peanut butter is purely coincedence. All parts, including the tomahawk cruise missile with a 790 Megaton warhead(not visible in picture), were synthesized and assembled using only peanuts and a cordless drill.

<a href="http://www.sensorystatic.com/explosives/gwc-f22.jpg" target="_blank">F-22 Raptor Picture</a>

[ March 16, 2003, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: photonic ]

zeocrash

March 16th, 2003, 08:33 AM

lol yuo all sux0r. i've crafted my own private army put of daschunds and petrol. they're damn good pilots too, (you should see them dogfight).
anyway thae main disagreement we have with you 80, (apart from thae fact you're probably the_ed or madfag's new identity) is the fact you're an arrogant motherfucker. Now i doubt you have any justification for saying that you know organic chemistry(unless you have an aptly named friend). My grandad has a phd in organic chemistry and was a former chemical weapons research scientist, he could say that he knew organic chemistry, but not you.
I recon we should keep 80 arround, as like a pet troll. we could poke him with sticks and keep amused

80r15

March 16th, 2003, 08:50 AM

sarin was tested on a hamster and other assorted animals I got for cheap at my local pet store....Get NBC suit at <a href="http://approvedgasmasks.com/" target="_blank">http://approvedgasmasks.com/</a>
No one website has synthesis procedure(actually one had a .pdf for it, but i lost the url...) but by searching around at different sites and bookstores you can put the pieces together and figure it out...
btw, the sarin did work because the hamster.....

and photonic, your "link" doesnt work

[ March 16, 2003, 07:51 AM: Message edited by: 80r15 ]

Mr Cool

March 16th, 2003, 10:10 AM

80r15, are you also a55m45t3r (or R1ngm45t3r) on Sciencemadness? I noticed the same mad faces, the same stupid style of the name, similar questions. Some examples (mad faces removed because they went over the limit per post!):

<blockquote>quote:<hr />If you know some sites that have syntehsis info on any nerve agnets OR you yourself know the syntehsis steps, could you please post them here?

ALSO, would a semi-high temperature explosion destroy a nerve gas. For example, if you had a piece of TriNitro TOluene detonated to disperse Sarin or Tabun, would the nerve agent be destroyed. If not, I assume It would just be pushed out and up by the hot air blast. Also I assume that there are temperatures that destroy nerve agents, and is anyone aware of what those temperatures are???

THANK YOU

Edit by Polverone: enough with the mad faces already!
Edit by madscientist: let's try to keep a remotely serious air to our posting styles... I stand with Polverone on this. By the way, thanks Samosa for making this thread worthwhile with your contributions.<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />Sarin/HF

Now I have read/heard various things about HF, such as it decomposes bones and it corrodes the heart(thanks nbk2000 @ rougesci.com), but how much is true, because i was considering preparing a little bit... And also what is the best way to synthesize HF and SARIN
Thank you<hr /></blockquote>Wait! I have found quite conclusive proof that you are one and the same:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />i buiold tesla coils, and do computer science just like you polverone. i know CaF2 +H2SO4 yields HF.... but is that the best way. my freind nbk2000 says it gives small yeilds. well anyway yeah i dont hurt people, im not somekiindof suicide bomber, just a guy who loves chemistry and likes to know stuff. and polverone, its me (aim = b0r15666 or hotsauceaoand1 or real gsg9) but nowall i use is b0r15666<hr /></blockquote>More examples of your awesome knowledge:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />in various texts it is proclaimed that sarin is one chemical step removed form ball point pen ink. what is that step?????????<hr /></blockquote>Lol, and was joking when I mentioned biro ink in that other thread on caltrops! :D
So, it seems you have not convinced them of your knowledge, either!

(Sorry if it is truly not you, but the similarities are certainly there...)

80r15, why don't you provide some write-ups of your nerve agent synths., then maybe we'll stop laughing at you!! (maybe :D )

[ March 16, 2003, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: Mr Cool ]

80r15

March 16th, 2003, 10:12 AM

it is me fag
and you fucking dumb shit, you can make sarin from a chemical largly found in ball-point pen ink.....dumb piece of shit.... and i do make tesla coils so stick my 15kW t-coil up your ass and turn it on u fu(k1ng Fl4m3r

Mr Cool

March 16th, 2003, 10:26 AM

I don't dispute your interest or ability in electronics, I myself have made a small tesla coil, there's nothing hard about them if you're using a simple LC circuit design.
What is the chemical in the ink that you use? I would love to know.

80r15, I must ask you to either post something useful or go away... at the moment you're quite amusing, but I'm sure your pollution of this place will eventually get annoying if your style doesn't change.

zeocrash

March 16th, 2003, 01:12 PM

lol,
its true that the most hated type of person on the planet is a smartass
anyway, what did you do with the sarin you produced, do you have any proof it was sarin, where did you store it, where is it now
thes dude has more bullshit in him than a vilderbeast with diahroea

Anthony

March 16th, 2003, 03:39 PM

"i do make tesla coils so stick my 15kW t-coil up your ass"

So you had the utility Co. install a 415v 3phase supply to your house then?

I hope this is proof to everyone who doubted harsh rule enforcement, that if idiots are allowed to remain, their few posts degrades the *entire* forum. Just look at all the threads that have ceased being useful - everyone he has posted in!

kingspaz

March 16th, 2003, 05:03 PM

i say lets bring back brutal, merciless enforcement of the rules.

80r15

March 16th, 2003, 07:13 PM

"I want peace. But, if you want war, then that's your problem"-Nikita Kruschev. MY comments can be very useful and constructive as long as i am not flamed every time i post. I will agree to only post relevant things if you guys stop calling me names....(back to kindergarden negotiations...) So, as i said, i want peace... said the mouse to the big bad cobras :D

[ March 18, 2003, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: Machiavelli ]

NightStalker

March 16th, 2003, 09:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
...my freind nbk2000...
<hr /></blockquote>Hmmm...I think NBK would be your friend in the same manner as Bubba or Tyron would be your friend...he'd allow you to continue living, simply because it'd give him so much pleasure to see you writhing in agony on the end of his dick. :p

But, seriously, NBK seems to much more selective in his associations than to associate with a LOSER who can't even make one proper sentence, let alone an elite weapon like sarin, or "5@r1|\|", as you'd call it.

I'd vote for "The (h)Ed" being the newest fodder for the HED chamber. Same deliberately stupid posting style, same infantile thought process, same...well...ed. :D

You know you're a very sad example of humanity when even madscientist has to correct you! :p

'Course, the only reason you're still around to post sixteen wonderfully instructive and informative posts :rolleyes: is because staff is trying to be a little less stringent with the rules, but you're the proverbial fly in the ointment, bad apple in the bushel, and all that...you're fucking it up for everyone else. Congratulations! You've succedded with at least one thing in your life...even if it was to stink up The Forum with the smell of shit that dribbles from tips of your fingers onto a keyboard.

I KNOW you wouldn't have lasted past your first post on The Forum if NBK was present. Though I am wondering why you've been allowed to stay here as long as you have, since you've proven yourself (repeatedly) to be an incurable imbecile, good for nothing more than maggot fodder for the BFL section.

You want peace? Well I'm sure we can arrange to give you some piece...after we break it off in your neck! :mad: Kruschev was a lying piece of shit too, how appropriate that you'd quote him.

"Stop calling me names! Waaaaa!" What a sad little bitch boy you'd make.

To quote a famous book (forgot the title):

"Crucify Him!"

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Machiavelli

March 18th, 2003, 01:25 PM

A little kid wrote
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> and you fucking dumb shit, you can make sarin from a chemical largly found in ball-point pen ink <hr /></blockquote>Nope, the referred chemical is thiodiglycol and you can make mustard from it, not sarin. If you copy something you still need to understand it.
Now go home little parrot or you won't get any more cookies.

Polverone

March 18th, 2003, 02:58 PM

Delete this, please. On second thought I was not contributing anything of relevance to chemistry, just dragging this thread further into general board commentary.

[ March 18, 2003, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: Polverone ]

vulture

March 18th, 2003, 03:09 PM

Let's not turn this thread into another roguesci--madscience war because of some dumb shit spewing his shit on both the boards shall we?

Oh, and 80r15. You are so knowledgeable on organic chemistry right?
I can wait for your instructions on how to synthesize phorone in great yield, how to produce HNIW and ONC from OTC stuff and how to synthesize tetranitratopiperazine without TFAA.

Anxiously awaiting....

[ March 18, 2003, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: vulture ]

Ezekiel Kane

March 18th, 2003, 03:11 PM

80r15, you're not Boris from The Red Square are you? Far more likely some poseur who uses his 13373|) name and quotes. In any event, I'm not so sure I like this 'huggy-feely' atmosphere. We're getting distracted from E&W to focus on flaming k3wls - not good for effective research and development in our community.